| From: | hansen <hansen@********.COM.SG> |
|---|---|
| Subject: | Re: Corporate Challenges (was Re: Suggestions for 2nd Edition) |
| Date: | Sun, 17 May 1998 03:25:20 +0800 |
>> >cards.
>
>> Hey some people want the card but arn't able to fork the $ out for a
limited
>> card OK!
>> $60 for a limited Shivan is ridiculous when u can get a $5 unlimited
one....
>> and it would cost more if it wasn't reprinted.... stop complaining about
>> reprints in unlimited sets. They allow new players to enter the game
without
>> buying over cards from older players at killer prices.
>
>Mmm, I'm also thinking of the many cards that just get new artwork
>(Power Sink has, what, five versions?). For a long-term player, it
>stinks when you drop a hundred dollars on a box, to find that you
>already own some of the cards in the "new" set. At least minor twists
>have some advantage, either of novelty or being more geared to a
>specific situation.
Oh those cards! (Slap on the forehead) these are usually cards essential for
game play. Hey they reprinted land.... BTW the record holder is DISENCHANT
(1st - 5th ed, IA, MG, TM and Arena) for a spell and MOUNTAIN ( 1 - 5 ed,
AN, IA, MG, TM and Arena) for any card.
>Those are cards in new expansion sets; core cards (First Run to Second
>Run) will always have cards repeated with each new edition. Those are
>cases of cards going from one 'unlimited' printing to another though; I
>was talking where cards go from a limited expansion to an 'unlimited'
>set (like, Chronicles or Fifth Edition).
Ahh... those repeats were because of 1) introduction of a stand alone set
(basically a new core set with different cards) or 2) promotions for the
arena league (alternate art card as a bonus for joining and winning
tournaments in arena)
>> >No, sorry, I have great difficulty imagining anyone getting swayed by
>> >"It says 'Lone Star' in 'ex-Lone-Star Runner'!" That sort of
ruling
>> >only crops up in L5R, where the foo rule rather specifically looks for
>> >instances of a word or phrase, without care for context.
>
>> Btw the <foo> rule exists. It works for Lone Star cards but it's not
clearly
>> expressed in the rulebook. Hmm u seem to hate LR5 too? Why? M:tG I
>> understand....
>
>The foo rule exists -- in L5R (right down to the 'foo' and 'bar').
>Although there're ways to designate what card an effect is looking for,
>there is no written, hard-and-fast rule in SRTCG.
Expect it to be implemented... Loki said this in one of his responses :
"However, the <foo> rule also applies, as is the case with Lone Star HQ
which
applies to Challenges with the "keyword" in it's title as well. (i.e. Lone
Star Patrol, Lone Star K9 Unit, etc."
>I actually enjoy L5R, although a lot of the players turn me off. The
>foo rule works without consideration for context; that's why the "Hunter
>of Naga" and "Armor of Golden Samurai" create(d?) such a boondoggle for
>such a long time. Last I knew it wasn't written to work any better,
>either.
>
>> >My point is simply that creating an official designation system -- well,
>> >creating one this late in the game, at any rate - will create more
>> >problems than it resolves.
>
>> It's not late. Only 1 expansion and the basic set have been printed.
Anyway
>> there's nothing as too late until you're dead....
>
>The basic set and expansion are more than enough to set the tone for the
>game. If (since you mentioned it as a possibility) you keyword Lone
>Star Patrol as being a "Challenge (Lone Star)", you insinuate that all
>the Challenges in Underworld are not Lone Star Challenges -- they're no
>longer keyed as such. And while additions to the FAQ are acceptable,
>FAQs in general should be kept as short as needed, and aren't available
>to every player, so shouldn't be taken as a means to correct oversights
>like that.
OK I didn't want a new keyword, I wanted the card to state when to look for
a keyword and when to look at the title...... The way it is written now
makes it look like it's written to hunt a keyword.....
>*Not* keying the Patrol as a Challenge (Lone Star) keeps the present
>system, such as it is, intact. No confusion, no fuss, no muss. But
>once you start trying to keyword it -- by whatever method -- you run
>into problems. You might want to exclude a card that somehow got the
>Lone Star designation on it; you also cast a shadow on other cards that
>might be keyworded in a similar manner
>
>> >> Also 'Lone Star' searched for matching text in the title; what about
>> >> 'Vehicle' as in Armored Patrol Vehicle and 'Doberman' Patrol Vehicle?
(I
>> >> realised this after going thru my cards) Why should you be able to
reap
>> >> benefits for the 'Lone Star' text on say Holmes but not the 'Vehicle'
>> text
>> >> on Armored Patrol Vehicle using say Roadrash? This ia inconsistancy in
>> >> ruling and should be corrected now.
>
>> >Keywords generally tend toward the Keyword line, rather than the title,
>> >except with Runners (where the situation is the reverse). Incidentally,
>> >this *is* in the FAQ (or at least Q&A); however, I've played where
>> >Wheeler and Roadrash both affect the two cards you mention, without much
>> >of a problem.
>
>> Yes usually, but what about 'Lone Star Drone'. It's a 'Lone Star'
card.....
>
>If there was an effect that should include both the Lone Star Drone and
>Lone Star Runners and Challenges, I'd argue the point. :) LSHQ only
>works with Runners and Challenges.
>
>It's simply something to keep in mind when new cards are created: "SPD
>receives the first Lone Star Gear palyed on him for free" works pretty
>well. Remember what I said about it not being a hard-and-fast rule?
I'm thinking about the future.... Magic has come to a point where names are
getting very predictable (<fill in the blank> elves, <fill in the
blank>merfolk, <fill in the blank> tutor, <fill in the blank> warrior,
etc....) what happens when SRTCG starts to run out of names. Granted it'll
take a long time, but if it keeps selling, it will eventually hit that
stage....
>> >There is no Lone Star text on Holmes, so I have no idea what that was
>> >supposed to have meant.
>
>> Oops... Sorry Duncan....
>
>Okay. Still don't see what you mean. LSHQ asks for a Lone Star Runner,
>and it's visually obvious which ones that means.
>
>> <SNIP the torgo part. Won't happen again>
>
>It was a never a yes/no question. Sorry if I seemed like an ass there.
>
>
>(That *was* said with a smile.)
>
>- Matt
I use Magic in most of my case studies as it is the longest surviving CCG.
I'm also very familiar with it. I really hope that SRTCG will at least do as
well at it in terms of staying power so if u hate Magic (btw I've quit, I
only judge now) don't send me hate mail.....
