From:	Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM>
Subject:	Re: Proposal for an SRTRADE list.
Date:	Mon, 18 May 1998 15:44:48 -0700

---Andy Scheffler <ascheffl@*******.BERKELEY.EDU> wrote:
>
> I know I speak for most people on this list when I say I don't give a hoot
> about people trading on this list. I have no intention of trading, and if
> I needed to, I would go to newsgroups or such.
>
> So why don't we go about creating a separate list for trades? That way,
> it could be filtered out by people who want to have it, but not have them
> get in the way, or just have people not subscribe to it if they don't want
> trades at all (like me).

Well, SRCard was started 8/97 (by yours truly) as a forum for game discussion
and an arena for traders to meet. Both parts are equal. I encourage trading,
as SRTCG is afterall a (T)rading (C)ard (G)ame. I don't see myself dropping
this part of SRCard (couldn't complete my set without it. ;o)

However, I agree that beyond the posting of a Have/Want list, SRCard's
involvement is done and the trading needs to go to private mail. I and the
GridSecs have stated this over and over. More severs measures are now being
taken.

SRTCG game discussion is 90% of what should be seen by a list member. Rules
clarifications, strategies, deck builds, fanatasy cards and alternate gaming
styles.

All a SRCard members should see on the list for trades is a have/want list by
other members. In this I'm really wanting to see particular formats:

1. Make it _clear_ in the subject line this is a trade post and who you are.
Something like "[Trade] Loki's Haves & Wants." This way someone like Andy,
that doesn't care about trading can click the delete button and get on with
life. Including your name in the subject line is just proper netiquette, I
store five to ten active trade mails at a time, it really helps when they're
not all subjected as "Trade."

2. List 1st Run, Undwerworld and future expansions seperately in the post.
Some members are still trying to complete just one set while others prefer to
only trade kind-for-kind.

3. DO NOT REPLY TO A HAVE/WANT LIST PUBLICY. It's been out of hand recently.
This is in the FAQ, people. I know we can all read, or you woudn't be on an
emailing list. I've type warning messages 'til I'm blue in the face. Andy is
correct here in saying there are list members who don't even care about
trading. Add to that that NO ONE cares about X's personal trading with Y. I'm
dropping to one warning and then you're unsubbed, until it comes back under
control.

I'm not going to pull trading from SRCard. I don't have the time to admin to
seperate mailing lists, and I don't see the point. Trading is just as much
part of SRTCG as hashing out the rules (if not more). If everyone follows by
the few _simple_ guidelines on trading posts, then someone like Andy should
really only see the few [TRADE] posts come by now and then and can delete them
at will rather than wading through a salvo of misposted trade responses.

Welcome to the 6th World. Play nice.

-== Loki ==-
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