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From: Norman McLeod <mcleodn@***********.NET>
Subject: Re: Defense of: Frustration Deck
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:02:47 -0400
>>Where are your GAQs? I don't like Cover Up very much either, it only has
>>one very limited use, better to play with Loaded Dice and Mob War, which
>>is a great way of preventing your opponent from getting to your
>>objective. The Big Break is good, as it is versitile and usefull.
>
>GAQs I have found are too limited. Stopping just one runner is generally
>not enough, except in rare occasions. Cover Up rarely has anyone LOTI
>(why waste it on this?) it and it gaurantees that the objective is safe
>for one round. You are seriously betting on having a Loaded dice
>whenever the Mob War objective comes up? I take chances, but I would
>never take that one.

GAQ is one of the most versitile cards in the game, and I find that sending
home one runner frequently causes the death of at least two runners. If you
don't take chances, why the Shriek-1000? That's a big chance, one I'd
certainly not be willing to take. Besides, hw do you keep getting runers out
if you have to keep spending on stingers?

>>Double the number of challenges. Try not to repeate, go up to 20, and go
>>for a wide range of Sleaze requirements. I can get through even the
>>toughest combination of these with a Foxy Roxy, a Maglock Passkey, and a
>>Shasta
>
>Just to be stopped by a Shriek before you get started, or a Wild Goose
>Chase anytime before you take the objective. (Since you count on having
>the right cards in your play, why shouldn't I).

>>The Amazonian hunt eliminates your Maglocks, and you can get through the
>>rest on Cake Walk with one social and one sorcery OR conjuring.
>>Crossfire is expensive, and generally not worth it, and Nosferatu Den
>>adds insult to the injury of losing your best runners to Genetics Lab.
>>Sucker Run is good, though. If your goal is to keep people from
>>objectives no matter the cause, where's your King of the Hill?

>Either person can defend King of the Hill multiple times. No advantage
>there. Nosferatu Den gives most people pause, and they will go after
>another objective first. Cake Walk is a low rep challenge that I can let
>go if need be to protect other objectives instead.

Actually, if you're using drones King of the Hill gives you a huge
advantage. You don't even have to endanger your runers!

>>There are not enough ways to stop a shadowrun, though, there never can
>>be. The ones there are are weak, unreliable, and don't even last long.
>>I'm sorry, but you NEED more challenges, you may be able to hold your
>>opponents decks off for a little while, if you're lucky, but they can
>>hold you off too, and by that time, they'll have a team that can waltz
>>through your challenges, and give them a kiss good night.

>Norman McLeod, easier said than done. I have used this deck against more
>than 7 different decks, and muliple times against each deck. If
>everything goes perfect, yes you can sleaze through to an objective. As
>you know, things do not go prefectly. The games I have lost have always
>been close ones, which says to me that you idea that you could easily
>beat this deck is incorrect. It would be nip and tuck all the way, I can
>almost fully assure you.


I was just trying to point out that with challenges, this deck would be
significantly improved. If you can hold off your opponent's runners for a
few turns, get a god challenge stack on the objective, and then GAQ and
Whoops! them, you'd be destroying teams, not just holding them off.

>Our styles seem vastly different, and I would think that us playing each
>other would be a sight to see.

>Don't get me wrong, I appreciate you commenting. But from the comments
>that I have seen you post on several decks that people have posted you
>seem to think that there is only one answer. That answer is the one you
>see, and is only one you see.

I just say the way I would do things, which I have found to be very effectve
indeed. If you didn't want any comments, and you seem to have ignored
everyone's in favour of your own explanations, why did you post the deck at
all?

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