From:	"Paul D. Ossman" <guggenheimer@**********.COM>
Subject:	Response to amerinian cards Bikes!
Date:	Sat, 18 Jul 1998 13:08:43 -0700

Matt. B wrote
>> Gear
>> Indian Chief (Vehicle/Bike) -- 4 Y
>> +0/+0 (A+2) to user.
>> First gear card is free.
>> Picture: Amerindian Troll with a full beard, cyber arms, and wearing
>> goggles and smoking a stogie riding an armored 1946 Indian Chief: 74=
Cubic
>> Inch Engine, with Black painted frame, chrome front forks, extra chrome=
all
>> over and a blazing center mounted Gatling cannon (Paul and Christophe
>> agree this is genius!!)
>> Flavor: "You ain’t makin’ me wear a helmet."
>
>H'm. Like all Vehicles, it should be listed as Indoor. It's
>essentially a Partial Heavy Armor with no built-in trash -- well, worse,
>it sits on top of other Armor -- so I'd either limit it to (A2) (which
>is, by itself, very decent, since most Runners don't start off with
>armor) or to be played on a Rigger or Runner with Piloting.
>Also: "First Gear is free"?! I'm assuming that's the first Gear played
>on the 'Chief, rather than the Runner. (Imagine Wheeler pulling out an
>Indian Chief and Panther Assault Cannon for free.. *shudder*)
>

Good points. How about this:
Indian Chief (Vehicle/Bike) -- 4 Y
+0/+0 (A+2) to user.
Outdoor. First gear card played on the Chief is free. Runner may not use
any hand held weapons while using the Chief.
Picture: Amerindian Troll with a full beard, cyber arms, and wearing
goggles and smoking a stogie riding an armored 1946 Indian Chief: 74 Cubic
Inch Engine, with Black painted frame, chrome front forks, extra chrome all
over and a blazing center mounted Gatling cannon (Paul and Christophe
agree this is genius!!)
Flavor: "You ain’t makin’ me wear a helmet."

>> Ducati - 900FE - Mustang (Vehicle/Bike) -- 5 Y
>> +2/+0 to user.
>> If user is an Amerindian, turn and pay 3 yen to inflict 3 pts damage to
>> target opponents safe house. Owner distributes damage.
>> Picture: Amerindian Elf ganger riding with uzi blazing into a crowd of
>> people – mass carnage.
>> Flavor: "Engine • V-Twin; Bore x Stroke 92mm x 68mm; Displacement=
904cc;
>> 80HP @ 7000RPM – What more could you possibly want!!"
>
>...And a bike with a built-in Drive-By. It's fitting, perhaps actually
>*too* weak as written.

I do not think that it is too weak based on the fact that the owner of the
card can disribute that damage however he wants. After a brutal shadowrun,
this could take out 3 runners.

>> Center Mounted Gatling Cannon – (Gear/accessory) -- 4 yen.
>> Play on any bike. +3/+0 to user.
>> Picture: Harley Scorpion charging forward, cannon blazing with a grinning
>> Ork, tusks bared
>> Flavor: This baby will cut through a Lone Star APV.
>
>Better than Fixed-Fire Cannons. Actually, for what's generally going to
>be a higher cost, I'd say go ahead an open it up to all Vehicles.
>Except that - just as most people don't use Ammo for Guns - I don't
>expect most people to use Accessories for their Vehicles.
This is true. What about opening it up to vehicles and drones?