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<Just a guess, but it's probably extremly expensive to get that much space in
most big cities>

Maybe we should from a group of people for those who live on Long Island and
New York City to talk to Mayor Gulianni (hey, I ain't the best speller, so sue
me) and try and get discounts for a major con. There's absolutly nothing here
even though there are small gaming groups everyone's obsessed with MAGIC (oh
my!!!!). Even if it's a great game all my friends don't play any of the games
including Shadowrun. (Which I am presently trying to get my hands on) none of
the retailers I go to carry it and it's too expensive to order.

end of my ranting. . .


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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 10:37:00 -0700
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--list RAsitlin25 <Rasitlin25@***.COM> wrote:

*snip*

Even if it's a great game all my friends don't play any of the games
> including Shadowrun. (Which I am presently trying to get my hands
on) none of
> the retailers I go to carry it and it's too expensive to order.


I bought a used 2nd edition rule book just to see if I liked the
game. I don't so it's for sale.

I only payed $12 for it. Sell it for $5 plus shipping.

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 20:23:56 +0200
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From: Olaf kramer <Olaf-Kramer@********.DE>
Subject: CARDS FOR TRADE(OLAF`S)
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Card`s I have:
(German)

1 King of the ...
5 Genetic Lab
3 Skill to pay ...
2 Flatline
1 Doc Wagon Platin
1 Skill.:Stealze
1 Kidnapt
1 Guardian Elemental Fire
1 Dooms Day device
1 Initiation
1 Gang: Trogs

(English)

3 Shadowrun is Insane
2 Gutter Rat
1 Scatter
1 Skill.:Athletics
1 Skill.:Piloting
1 Skill.:Demolotions
1 Remington 750
1 Camo
1 Barney Phyffe
1 Initiation

If there is some interess send me an offer(most wanteds are Skwraaaark).

olaf-kramer@********.de

HAVE A NICE DAY

OLAF
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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 15:20:49 EDT
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From: "a . a" <alphirius@****.COM>
Subject: Gear use question 2

Seeing how we had luck with one gear related question..... here's another
for ya'll.....

I realize a mage/shaman can have spells/spirits up to their respective
skill level..... and use up to that number..... can a decker with say
decking 3 have 3 sticky fingers on her and then use them all during her
turn???? just wondering..... (Course, it' would be grand to have 3
sticky fingers in the first place.....)

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 14:28:14 -0500
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>I realize a mage/shaman can have spells/spirits up to their respective
>skill level.....

You can have any number of spells/spirits on a mage/shaman...

>and use up to that number.....

...but can only use as many as their skill level per *turn*

>can a decker with say decking 3 have 3 sticky fingers on her and then
>use them all during her turn????

Yes. That same decker can also have 1 Browse, 1 Sleaze and 1 Evaluate
but could use none after this decker used 3 Sticky Fingers.

>(Course, it' would be grand to have 3 sticky fingers in the first
place.....)

I'm pretty sure I have 3. They are really nice. :)

Sorrow
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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 21:35:29 +0200
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Sorrow schrieb:
> >I realize a mage/shaman can have spells/spirits up to their respective
> >skill level.....
>
> You can have any number of spells/spirits on a mage/shaman...
>
> >and use up to that number.....
>
> ...but can only use as many as their skill level per *turn*
>
>
> >can a decker with say decking 3 have 3 sticky fingers on her and then
> >use them all during her turn????
>
> Yes. That same decker can also have 1 Browse, 1 Sleaze and 1 Evaluate
> but could use none after this decker used 3 Sticky Fingers.
>
> >(Course, it' would be grand to have 3 sticky fingers in the first
> place.....)
>
> I'm pretty sure I have 3. They are really nice. :)
>

Yes, they are very nice for support my Bully/Fuchi Deck.:-)
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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 21:55:24 +0200
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From: Bolton Sara <Sara.bolton@****.BE>
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Hi everybody,

Well, I suppose you are all aware of the "token sheet" I made (I have
accidentally send it to the list, so unless you in "no mail at this time,
you must have spotted it, sorry again).
I made those because I personnaly think it would be easier to recognize
tokens if you use "standart" one, this could prevent a lot of discussions,
especialy in tournament, they may have, of course, some disadvantages
(using coins,you can buy a drink after the games ;-)).

For those who wonder:
The skills token are for "Outstanding performance", as a reminder for the
"Skillsoft" or any other cards to come.
The "ganger" tokens are for "the initiation"
The "Biohazard" tokens are for viruses
The lightbulb token are for "research point" (Corp War.)
The +1/+1 tokens, well, I won't insult you intelligence.

I get the first additionals idea by private mail this morning but, as thik
some others may be interrested and I'll like to have more, I will copy them
at the end of this one as well as my replyes.

I am not an artist , so the tokens i made were mostly "scan, cut and paste"
from the cards or very basic (you can say awful!), If you guys really get
interrested, maybe some more gifted peoples could help with the drawings.

part of a mail from Teos Abadia:

>I would add a -1/-1 token as well.

I had thinked of radiation counters for fusion run, I don't remember if
other effects can give -1/-1 counters.

>Maybe also a blank token, just a circle, where people could write
a small note if they wanted. (Or for homebrew ideas... Matb and i have put
out a bunch of cards with new token ideas).

The purpose of those tokens are to be easely recogniseable, blank token just
don't fit with this idea.

> Another idea: a damage token!
Maybe a drop of blood? Or a Band-Aid with 0/-1 under it?

I am afraid you will sometimes need too much of them (I mean a lot of -0/-1
or some -0/-1, -0/-2, -0/-3,....) I personnaly use RPG dices to keep track
of damage (There is even somes 20 sided dices, in case someone want to play
a LOTP on Torgo ;-) ), it is the easier I find for now.

> Another token could be for Loki/Archie, a token that has a turn arrow, and
shows that a runner should stay turned that turn.

Yeah! And to pay for WOTC patent!, NEVER!!!!, but maybe a "stopsign" token?

>Another interesting token, and something I might add to my scoring card,
would be fame tokens that say Total Fame x (x from 1-8 maybe) which could be
used to keep track of the total fame a player has, and therefore, the amount
of cash flow that player gets each turn. Keeps things easy to remember, hard
to forget.

Why not.

Waiting for your ideas
Vincent"lost again"Schmitt.
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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 16:07:59 -0400
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From: "Droopy ." <mmanhardt@*****.NET>
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From: Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
Subject: Re: WotC court decision

> IIRC, the patent was on 3 points.
>
> 1. Turning cards 90 degress to note that they're "in use"
> 2. Deck building
> 3 Something I've forgotten. Discard piles and holding cards in your hand
> have nothing to do with it, I'm sure.

The patent is extremely broad and covers just about everything.

> It's a moot point. Nothing is going to happen to FASA, because, as I
> pointed out before, they just have to pull the Battletech license and cut
> into WotCs profits, which are certainly more than WotC would make by
> taking royalties on SRTCG.

Except FASA can't do that. They have a licensing agreement
(contract) with WotC. If FASA broke it, WotC would possibly have
another company under its umbrella. FASA would not be willing to
fight that battle.


--Droopy
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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 01:55:30 -0700
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From: Matb <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
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Zachariah Hoffman wrote:

> I am looking for a spoiler for 1st run to enter into the database.

A complete list can be found at my homepage (see sig). No, I will *not*
post it to the list, as it's over 100K of HTML. :)


- Matt

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 13:44:43 -0700
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From: Zachariah Hoffman <zhoffman@*.ARIZONA.EDU>
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The Runner portion of the Web Database is up. The keyword seach works,
kinda. It's good for one word or a phrase. It doesn't parse just yet. If
any one has any good VBScript code that does this, please let me know. Any
feedback on this site would be greatly appreciated.
The address is www.lrc.arizona.edu/ZachH/Shadowrun

Thanks,
Zach

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 22:14:59 +0200
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a . a wrote:
>
> Seeing how we had luck with one gear related question..... here's another
> for ya'll.....
>
> I realize a mage/shaman can have spells/spirits up to their respective
> skill level..... and use up to that number..... can a decker with say
> decking 3 have 3 sticky fingers on her and then use them all during her
> turn???? just wondering..... (Course, it' would be grand to have 3
> sticky fingers in the first place.....)
>
I have 4 - hee, hee...
Anyway, IMO deckers and mages may hold any number of programs/spells.
They may only use up to their skill level per turn, though. Shamen and
Riggers may hold only up to their skill level.
So an able decker with decking 3 could use 3 Stickies per turn. ---Felix
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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 22:20:44 +0200
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From: Olaf kramer <Olaf-Kramer@********.DE>
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Bolton Sara schrieb:
> Hi everybody,
>
> Well, I suppose you are all aware of the "token sheet" I made (I have
> accidentally send it to the list, so unless you in "no mail at this time,
> you must have spotted it, sorry again).
> I made those because I personnaly think it would be easier to recognize
> tokens if you use "standart" one, this could prevent a lot of discussions,
> especialy in tournament, they may have, of course, some disadvantages
> (using coins,you can buy a drink after the games ;-)).
>
> For those who wonder:
> The skills token are for "Outstanding performance", as a reminder for the
> "Skillsoft" or any other cards to come.
> The "ganger" tokens are for "the initiation"
> The "Biohazard" tokens are for viruses
> The lightbulb token are for "research point" (Corp War.)
> The +1/+1 tokens, well, I won't insult you intelligence.
>
> I get the first additionals idea by private mail this morning but, as thik
> some others may be interrested and I'll like to have more, I will copy them
> at the end of this one as well as my replyes.
>
> I am not an artist , so the tokens i made were mostly "scan, cut and paste"
> from the cards or very basic (you can say awful!), If you guys really get
> interrested, maybe some more gifted peoples could help with the drawings.
>
> part of a mail from Teos Abadia:
>
> >I would add a -1/-1 token as well.
>
> I had thinked of radiation counters for fusion run, I don't remember if
> other effects can give -1/-1 counters.
>
> >Maybe also a blank token, just a circle, where people could write
> a small note if they wanted. (Or for homebrew ideas... Matb and i have put
> out a bunch of cards with new token ideas).
>
> The purpose of those tokens are to be easely recogniseable, blank token just
> don't fit with this idea.
>
> > Another idea: a damage token!
> Maybe a drop of blood? Or a Band-Aid with 0/-1 under it?
>
> I am afraid you will sometimes need too much of them (I mean a lot of -0/-1
> or some -0/-1, -0/-2, -0/-3,....) I personnaly use RPG dices to keep track
> of damage (There is even somes 20 sided dices, in case someone want to play
> a LOTP on Torgo ;-) ), it is the easier I find for now.
>
> > Another token could be for Loki/Archie, a token that has a turn arrow, and
> shows that a runner should stay turned that turn.
>
> Yeah! And to pay for WOTC patent!, NEVER!!!!, but maybe a "stopsign" token?
>
> >Another interesting token, and something I might add to my scoring card,
> would be fame tokens that say Total Fame x (x from 1-8 maybe) which could be
> used to keep track of the total fame a player has, and therefore, the amount
> of cash flow that player gets each turn. Keeps things easy to remember, hard
> to forget.
>
> Why not.
>
> Waiting for your ideas
> Vincent"lost again"Schmitt.

Nice ideas, whats up with drug tokens ?
Ähh, LOTP played on Lord Torgo ??

OLAF
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I really like the idea of occasionally introducing new rules additions
and card symbols. I donīt think this would demand too much of the
players. Additional rules can add more detail and complexity to the TCG,
increasing the Shadowrun athmosphere. Additions should not make the
rules too dovetailed, though. I have experienced this with some other
TCGs. You lose interest in playing the game when you canīt make sense of
all the rules by the third reading, however appealing the cards may be.
Felix
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hey Vincent,

I really liked the tokens sheet you have it's really good and a great idea for
their use...thanks for accidentally sending it to the list...if you make any
more please send me a copy

Gunnar
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sorry folks that one should have gone private, but it occurs to me that
Vincent, may need the encouragement to design more, so add your comments and
keep it goin

OneWay......MyWay
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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 21:27:55 +0200
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a . a schrieb:
> Seeing how we had luck with one gear related question..... here's another
> for ya'll.....
>
> I realize a mage/shaman can have spells/spirits up to their respective
> skill level..... and use up to that number..... can a decker with say
> decking 3 have 3 sticky fingers on her and then use them all during her
> turn???? just wondering..... (Course, it' would be grand to have 3
> sticky fingers in the first place.....)
>

Yes, your Decker can do this and your deckers/mages can hold as many
programms/spells as they want.

OLAF
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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 12:48:05 +0100
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From: Ralph Grimble <ralph.grimble@*******.OXFORD.AC.UK>
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Hi all,
There is a full spoiler list for 1st Run and Underworld at Phil's
page: www.pyrotechnics.com/~chakan/SRTCG/Spoiler/
It doesn't have a search option but it is so well set out that you don't
really need it.
There's other interesting stuff there too. Why not take a look and find
out what else is there?

Ralph
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 00:13:31 -0500
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From: "Keith R. Chenoweth" <kchenwth@*****.NET>
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Hey, is the list busted? My digest only had one mail in it, from 6:48 this
morning! What's up?

Keith
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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 23:09:09 -0600
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From: Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
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At 00:13 9/10/98 -0500, Keith R. Chenoweth wrote
>Hey, is the list busted? My digest only had one mail in it, from 6:48 this
>morning! What's up?

Just quiet. Say, did you just hear a cricket? :)

-Adam
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---Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA> wrote:
>
> At 00:13 9/10/98 -0500, Keith R. Chenoweth wrote
> >Hey, is the list busted? My digest only had one mail in it, from
6:48 this
> >morning! What's up?
>
> Just quiet. Say, did you just hear a cricket? :)
>
> -Adam
> But boy in RN busy...
>

I think the list may be overloaded with 'Adams', it's trying to sort
us out.








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here is a list of all the events going on at capcon x|v i will be running
two srccg tournaments so if you can make it try to come out....i'll also have
issue of "from da shadows" to pass out to those that are new and didn't know
ab0ut the srccg newsletter.....

hope to see you there...


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Hey Gabe,

Here is the flyer listing all the events for CAP CON. It's in word
format and I highlighted your events. Your events are in slot b (saturday
afternoon) and slot d (sunday morning).
I'm looking forward to playing SR:TCG at the con. I'm hoping to lear=
n a
lot more abourt the game (nothing like playing it with other people to get
a feel for the game).
Tell me if everything is okay.

Norman


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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 07:30:42 EST
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From: Nathan Johnson <Nathan_Johnson@***.GOV.AU>
Subject: Re: Fwd: CAPCON XIV
In-Reply-To: <78681b44.35f836e8@***.com>; from "Gabe Rosario" at Sep 10,
98 4:30 pm

Hey guys, where exactly is CAP CON?
any chance that it's actually in Sydney and i just haven't heard about it?
I'd love to get the chance to see what so many of the list members look
like... hehe.
The game doesn't seem that large in my area, although i did jump into the
CCG arena without ever touching that majicy thingy, so there's probably a
couple of others lurking about.

I think maybe it's time for one of the nasty/contreversial members to whip
out a good thread, Axl?
Comeon someone, please? Someone has to make my (friday) work day go quicker!
you know ya wanna...
nath.

>
> here is a list of all the events going on at capcon x|v i will be running
> two srccg tournaments so if you can make it try to come out....i'll also have
> issue of "from da shadows" to pass out to those that are new and didn't
know
> ab0ut the srccg newsletter.....
>
> hope to see you there...
>
>
> brak da yak
>
>
> Hey Gabe,
>
> Here is the flyer listing all the events for CAP CON. It's in word
> format and I highlighted your events. Your events are in slot b (saturday
> afternoon) and slot d (sunday morning).
> I'm looking forward to playing SR:TCG at the con. I'm hoping to lear=
> n a
> lot more abourt the game (nothing like playing it with other people to get
> a feel for the game).
> Tell me if everything is okay.
>
> Norman
>
>
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:27:02 EDT
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In a message dated 9/10/98 5:34:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Nathan_Johnson@***.GOV.AU writes:

> Hey guys, where exactly is CAP CON?
for those that live nearby it's in springfield, il, usa
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:14:17 -0500
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> IIRC, the patent was on 3 points.
>
> 1. Turning cards 90 degress to note that they're "in use"
> 2. Deck building
> 3 Something I've forgotten. Discard piles and holding cards in your hand
> have nothing to do with it, I'm sure.

The patent is extremely broad and covers just about everything.

> It's a moot point. Nothing is going to happen to FASA, because, as I
> pointed out before, they just have to pull the Battletech license and cut
> into WotCs profits, which are certainly more than WotC would make by
> taking royalties on SRTCG.

It seems rather simple to get around the whole thing...Why not just
print up cool looking cards that you can trade like baseball cards with
stats and all then a day later post on the web or something of the sort
"Cool things to do with cards like this game...."
Sure, I'll give you royalties for the game, oh, that's right, It's free.
The game is free but you'll need something to play it with like these cool
cards we printed up...
What's next, patents of RPG's, Board Games, etc. Why doesn't Bill Gates
patent operating systems and charge Apple royalties?

Peace,
Keldon Mor
Keldon@********.net
http://ww2.netnitco.net/users/keldon
"To bad ignorance isn't painful..."
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:34:07 -0500
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From: Keldon Mor <Keldon@********.NET>
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> Well, I suppose you are all aware of the "token sheet" I made (I have
> accidentally send it to the list, so unless you in "no mail at this time,
> you must have spotted it, sorry again).
> I made those because I personnaly think it would be easier to recognize
> tokens if you use "standart" one, this could prevent a lot of discussions,
> especialy in tournament, they may have, of course, some disadvantages
> (using coins,you can buy a drink after the games ;-)).
>
> For those who wonder:
> The skills token are for "Outstanding performance", as a reminder for the
> "Skillsoft" or any other cards to come.
> The "ganger" tokens are for "the initiation"
> The "Biohazard" tokens are for viruses
> The lightbulb token are for "research point" (Corp War.)
> The +1/+1 tokens, well, I won't insult you intelligence.
>
> I get the first additionals idea by private mail this morning but, as thik
> some others may be interrested and I'll like to have more, I will copy
them
> at the end of this one as well as my replyes.
>
> I am not an artist , so the tokens i made were mostly "scan, cut and
paste"
> from the cards or very basic (you can say awful!), If you guys really get
> interrested, maybe some more gifted peoples could help with the drawings.
>
> part of a mail from Teos Abadia:
>
> >I would add a -1/-1 token as well.
>
> I had thinked of radiation counters for fusion run, I don't remember if
> other effects can give -1/-1 counters.
>
> >Maybe also a blank token, just a circle, where people could write
> a small note if they wanted. (Or for homebrew ideas... Matb and i have
put
> out a bunch of cards with new token ideas).
>
> The purpose of those tokens are to be easely recogniseable, blank token
just
> don't fit with this idea.
>
> > Another idea: a damage token!
> Maybe a drop of blood? Or a Band-Aid with 0/-1 under it?
>
> I am afraid you will sometimes need too much of them (I mean a lot
of -0/-1
> or some -0/-1, -0/-2, -0/-3,....) I personnaly use RPG dices to keep track
> of damage (There is even somes 20 sided dices, in case someone want to
play
> a LOTP on Torgo ;-) ), it is the easier I find for now.
>
> > Another token could be for Loki/Archie, a token that has a turn arrow,
and
> shows that a runner should stay turned that turn.
>
> Yeah! And to pay for WOTC patent!, NEVER!!!!, but maybe a "stopsign"
token?
>
> >Another interesting token, and something I might add to my scoring card,
> would be fame tokens that say Total Fame x (x from 1-8 maybe) which could
be
> used to keep track of the total fame a player has, and therefore, the
amount
> of cash flow that player gets each turn. Keeps things easy to remember,
hard
> to forget.
>
> Why not.


How about a clone token that can be place on/near the original for easy
reminder (something like a generic person icon doubled)

How about a beaker/test tube set for the research icon? (though, not quite
sure what it's used for yet, now I can't wait for CW :)

Drug tokens & info tokens (for shadowland)?

I noticed the pics were a little fuzzy, perhaps the originals are
better. if not, I have all the skill icons in a little crisper form. Also,
if you need/want help in designing tokens, I'd be willing to help. I have
tons of clipart, corel, photoshop, etc. I'm no freehand artist but can edit
and touch up photos, add effects, pretty good. LMK.

Peace,
Keldon Mor
Keldon@********.net
http://ww2.netnitco.net/users/keldon
"To bad ignorance isn't painful..."
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 19:39:30 EDT
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From: { Bill Power } <WABBITSFT@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Ist run spoiler is this site up and running?
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I've seen this address on here many times and wanted see what it was all
about, only after 3-4 times trying, I still want to see it, is it real? is the
adress changed?help?

www.pyrotechnics.com/~chakan/srtcg/spoiler/ ?
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:49:11 -0500
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From: Phil Jaros <chakan@****.PYROTECHNICS.COM>
Subject: Re: Ist run spoiler is this site up and running?
In-Reply-To: <be3b4db.35f86332@***.com> from "{ Bill Power }" at Sep 10,
98 07:39:30 pm
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> I've seen this address on here many times and wanted see what it was all
>about, only after 3-4 times trying, I still want to see it, is it real? is the
>adress changed?help?
>
>www.pyrotechnics.com/~chakan/srtcg/spoiler/ ?

Actually the URL is:

www.pyrotechnics.com/~chakan/SRTCG/Spoiler/

Only domain names are non-case sensitive so the Caps need to be
right for the subdirectories/file names. A good thing to keep
in mind is that when you get an error saying that that file does
not exist, start trimming the directory structure down until you
get a valid page... and follow the links back up to where
you were going.

A bit of a warning though... My web page has not been updated
in quite some time. When it says "coming soon" it means coming
in a year or so.


--
Phil Jaros 888888888
chakan@************.com O=O=O=O=O
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:06:21 +0800
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>> IIRC, the patent was on 3 points.
>>
>> 1. Turning cards 90 degress to note that they're "in use"
>> 2. Deck building
>> 3 Something I've forgotten. Discard piles and holding cards in your hand
>> have nothing to do with it, I'm sure.
>
>The patent is extremely broad and covers just about everything.
>
>> It's a moot point. Nothing is going to happen to FASA, because, as I
>> pointed out before, they just have to pull the Battletech license and cut
>> into WotCs profits, which are certainly more than WotC would make by
>> taking royalties on SRTCG.
>
> It seems rather simple to get around the whole thing...Why not just
>print up cool looking cards that you can trade like baseball cards with
>stats and all then a day later post on the web or something of the sort
>"Cool things to do with cards like this game...."
> Sure, I'll give you royalties for the game, oh, that's right, It's
free.
>The game is free but you'll need something to play it with like these cool
>cards we printed up...
> What's next, patents of RPG's, Board Games, etc. Why doesn't Bill Gates
>patent operating systems and charge Apple royalties?
>
The entire patent centres around the concept of 'Tapping' or turning a card
90 degrees to show that it has been used. It has nothing to do with deck
construction, etc. One way around this patent is to skip some of the points
in the patent. There were more than 3 points, and ALL of them are key. The
patent only works if all components of the patent is present. If I remember
correctly, one of the components of this patent was that the first thing to
do every turn is to 'untap' all your cards, and I'm not sure if SRTCG
conforms to this component as that first step in every turn is your
objective phase.
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<SNIP>
>(The guy who invented magic) has every right to take control and protect
>that which he invented, and earn any and all the money he can off it.
>Face it... he DID invent the idea, concept, and way that CCGs are done.
>It was his baby, others are just pissed that he did it first.


He didn't. There were CCGs before Magic, but most didn't hit big. He's
protecting his rights to the concpt of 'tapping' (turning your cards
sideways to represent thet they have been used, on matter what you call it.)
The games which encroach this patent are if I remember correctly, Star Wars,
X-files, Aliens vs Predator, L5R (but who cares Wotc owns them) and Middle
Earth. These are the games I remember mentioned but there may be more.....
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Hoi,

I got my copy of Shadowrun 3rd edition a few days ago and I just
thought I would comment on how well I feel that SRTCG links with it.
Besides, there doesn't appear to be much traffic on the list lately.

Anyway, looking through it, I thought it was cool to see SRTCG art
work spread throughout it. Some of the pictures are placed exactly
right. I was really impressed with how the matrix section incorported
some of the programs available in the CCG like black Hammer... thats
just cool. Looking over how character generation has changed I can see
how some of the CCG characters could have come about.

Over all I like the feel of the whole thing. I think that the CCG
and the RPG have a really good relationship and that either one goes a
long way to support the other.

Just my 2¥,


*** Knife Sharpens on Stone... Man Sharpens on Man ***
*** - Tao ***

Jayden Stormwalker
Donald Arganbright


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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:58:05 EDT
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Subject: Signing off.....

Hey Sorry for sending this to the list....

1.) Noah, I lost your e-mail address so..... Your cards are in the
mail, enjoy.....

2.) Hey folks, it's been fun..... I'm signing off the list for good....
Moving tommarow morning.... Take care, and cross your fingers I don't
get eaten by a polar bear or anything.....

Alphirius.

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Hey all- I got a few more boxes o' cards but am still wanting a few to
finish my First Run set. I have a full set of Underworld but am missing
the FR cards below. I have a lot of cards & this includes many a promo
up for grabs. I also have a couple of the black featureless cards for
those who want those, & a lot of Underworld. So without further ado...

Ice Queen
Tempest
Tin Man
Bullet barrier
Remington 750
Stun Gloves
Squatter
Room 5b78
Heavy Sentry Gun
Cyber-Psychosis
All or Nothing
Tactics:Converge
Distraction
Suicide Run

Thanx! Ninjaboy007


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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 19:53:52 +1000
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Just thought I'd let you all know that I'm back, if any of you care. :)

So, did I miss anything good?

Lady Jestyr

- Eagles may soar, but turkeys don't get sucked into jet engines. -
jestyr@*******.com.au URL: http://www.geocities.com/~jestyr
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Subject: Re: [OT] I'm Back...
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>Just thought I'd let you all know that I'm back, if any of you care. :)

Welcome back. It was nice of you to announce your return, so that we
all have a warning to stop all those threads about you... ;)

>So, did I miss anything good?

I don't think so. It's been so slow on this list that a blank
digest went out a couple of days ago.

Loki, have you looked at how many people are on this list lately?

I don't think many people have joined over the last couple of weeks
and over the past month I've seen a number of people say they
were selling off their cards. Personally, I have not even played
a game of SRTCG since Gen Con...

I get the impression that interest in the game is waning and
that the lack of new players joining the list has led to a
drastic reduction in posts to the list. After all, I think
all of the list members who have been around for a year have
said everything that they have to say about the game.

Hopefuly, Corp War will come out soon. That should revive the
interest in the game and thus increase the number of posts to
the list.


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Just a new overdrived Challenge that come out of my twisted mind.;)

Old House
Challenge(Outdoor,unique)

If the alarm is triggert,the owner of OH can play up to 3 Indoor Challanges.
Even on an no Indoor Challanges Objectiv.
The Runnerteam must face all of them bevor they can pull out.
(easy to go in,hard to come out)

Sleaze Requirement: Leadership 3


Text below:" I have sayed:no rest in this house,it isnt save."
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First, thanks to all people who have given me new ideas or proposed some help.

For the next "token sheet", we could have:

-1/-1 tokens for "fusion run", with the "radiation warning" symbol on
them
(is there any other cards that can give -1/-1 tokens)

Info tokens for "shadowland" (probably the white i on a blue background)

drug tokens (some kind of pill)

wound tokens (1 to 5 drops of blood, that should allow to see clearly how
the runner are going without having to bury them under a lot of tokens)

Clone tokens (probably a token with 2 silhouets, one black and one grey, to
be put on the copy of the cloned card.)


I don't think the others ideas proposed are really worth, but this is my
opinions and I am ready to change it if other people do not agree .

There is also someone who said the pictures are a little fuzzy, here they
are good, is there anyone with the same trouble?

Any comment welcome, I'll probably need some help with some of the drawing,
I'll let you know.

Thanks again.
Vincent"lost again"Schmitt.
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At 05:33 9/12/98 -0500, Phil Jaros wrote

>>So, did I miss anything good?
>
>I don't think so. It's been so slow on this list that a blank
>digest went out a couple of days ago.
>
>Loki, have you looked at how many people are on this list lately?

I did a quick check when I resubbed under my new account last night. There
were 237 non concealed subscribers, but I didn't note how many concealed
ones. So anywhere from 200-250 people, counting that some people are
subscribed twice..

>I get the impression that interest in the game is waning and
>that the lack of new players joining the list has led to a
>drastic reduction in posts to the list. After all, I think
>all of the list members who have been around for a year have
>said everything that they have to say about the game.
>
>Hopefuly, Corp War will come out soon. That should revive the
>interest in the game and thus increase the number of posts to
>the list.

I agree -- we're seeing less and less new listmembers, we're seeing a few
(not many, but a few) drop out of the game, and we don't have anything new
to talk about.

Heck, I couldn't even get posts when I offered to write a program for
tracking SRTCG cards :/

-Adam
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In a message dated 98-09-12 10:54:21 EDT, you write:

<<
-1/-1 tokens for "fusion run", with the "radiation warning" symbol on
them
(is there any other cards that can give -1/-1 tokens)
>>
yup any time you get the disease from the spreadin the disease card or the
challenge that gives -1/-1 for gettin hit by it ( can't remember the card
right now )

OneWay......MyWay
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I have a Suicide Run up for grabs if your still interested. Just let me
know what you have to give up for it, and we could hopefully make a deal.

thanks
-dave-

Earl Clay wrote:

> Hey all- I got a few more boxes o' cards but am still wanting a few to
> finish my First Run set. I have a full set of Underworld but am missing
> the FR cards below. I have a lot of cards & this includes many a promo
> up for grabs. I also have a couple of the black featureless cards for
> those who want those, & a lot of Underworld. So without further ado...
>
> Ice Queen
> Tempest
> Tin Man
> Bullet barrier
> Remington 750
> Stun Gloves
> Squatter
> Room 5b78
> Heavy Sentry Gun
> Cyber-Psychosis
> All or Nothing
> Tactics:Converge
> Distraction
> Suicide Run
>
> Thanx! Ninjaboy007
>
> __,_____
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<A HREF="http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/shadowrunccg">ONElist |
Mailing
List Communities</A>

http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/shadowrunccg


this is the link to sign up for my mailing list. hope the fine owners of this
list don't mind me posting this to their list. i just think another list will
do the game some justice. take for example: pepsi?? why buy coke or rc? cuz
people have different tastes.. on my list you can say what you have to say
without worrying if you will be taken of the list. don't agree with me (the
list owner) we can hash it out. unlike here if you have a problem with an
admin you have to keep your mouth shut.. im not afraid to go toe 2 toe as long
as it is game related....if it isn't i won't waste my time....they say here
this is for the game..sure but you can't reply to trade post or price your
cards.... on my list sky's the limit... well the choice is yours....hope to
see new faces on my list.. tanx for your time........btw from da shadows will
be mailed out by next friday so be on the lool out for it....


brak da yak
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Gunnar Lundquist schrieb:
> In a message dated 98-09-12 10:54:21 EDT, you write:
>
> <<
> -1/-1 tokens for "fusion run", with the "radiation warning"
symbol on them
> (is there any other cards that can give -1/-1 tokens)
> >>
> yup any time you get the disease from the spreadin the disease card or the
> challenge that gives -1/-1 for gettin hit by it ( can't remember the card
> right now )
>
> OneWay......MyWay

The Challenge is Genetic monstrosity and your opponent has to face it befor you
can play spreading the desease.

OLAF
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 00:26:35 +0200
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At 00:01 13/09/98 +0200, you wrote:
>Gunnar Lundquist schrieb:
>> In a message dated 98-09-12 10:54:21 EDT, you write:
>>
>> <<
>> -1/-1 tokens for "fusion run", with the "radiation warning"
symbol on them
>> (is there any other cards that can give -1/-1 tokens)
>> >>
>> yup any time you get the disease from the spreadin the disease card or the
>> challenge that gives -1/-1 for gettin hit by it ( can't remember the card
>> right now )
>>
>> OneWay......MyWay
>
>The Challenge is Genetic monstrosity and your opponent has to face it befor you
>can play spreading the desease.
>
>OLAF
>
Where de hell did I see "Token" on "fusion run" ?
Well, looking more carefully, the only -1/-1 tokens are viruses, who were on
the first "sheet", so there is no need for others.( or am I wrong again ? )

Vincent"lost again"Schmitt.
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I want to know how I can get on the Players Regestery.Every time I try to get
in,it says that the Java Script is messed up.Is there another way on?

Joshua.SR Nick:Preacher
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In a message dated 98-09-12 18:03:07 EDT, you write:

<<
The Challenge is Genetic monstrosity and your opponent has to face it befor
you
can play spreading the desease.

OLAF
>>

Right you are Olaf...thanks I had a brain fart and couldn't remember

OneWay
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>people have different tastes.. on my list you can say what you have to say
>without worrying if you will be taken of the list. don't agree with me (the
>list owner) we can hash it out. unlike here if you have a problem with an
>admin you have to keep your mouth shut..

This is my only comment on this matter: Please keep slanderous comments to
yourself. This list has always had a free speech policy. You yourself are a
prime example - despite your rather violent abuse of myself and AdamJ due
to a couple of (admittedly ill-advised) remarks, you have not been 'taken
off the list', have you?

Yes, the list encourages politeness and a lack of flaming - but I'd like to
think that the list admins are all perfectly willing to listen to any
constructive criticisms that anyone has. That's not a license to flame, of
course, but I'm sure everyone recognises the difference. ;)

Lady Jestyr

- Eagles may soar, but turkeys don't get sucked into jet engines. -
jestyr@*******.com.au URL: http://www.geocities.com/~jestyr
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Bolton Sara schrieb:
> At 00:01 13/09/98 +0200, you wrote:
> >Gunnar Lundquist schrieb:
> >> In a message dated 98-09-12 10:54:21 EDT, you write:
> >>
> >> <<
> >> -1/-1 tokens for "fusion run", with the "radiation
warning" symbol on them
> >> (is there any other cards that can give -1/-1 tokens)
> >> >>
> >> yup any time you get the disease from the spreadin the disease card or the
> >> challenge that gives -1/-1 for gettin hit by it ( can't remember the card
> >> right now )
> >>
> >> OneWay......MyWay
> >
> >The Challenge is Genetic monstrosity and your opponent has to face it befor
> you
> >can play spreading the desease.
> >
> >OLAF
> >
> Where de hell did I see "Token" on "fusion run" ?
> Well, looking more carefully, the only -1/-1 tokens are viruses, who were on
> the first "sheet", so there is no need for others.( or am I wrong again ? )
>
> Vincent"lost again"Schmitt.

Thats right, the only other way to take a -1is the price of fame(-0/-1).

OLAF
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Gunnar Lundquist schrieb:
> In a message dated 98-09-12 18:03:07 EDT, you write:
>
> <<
> The Challenge is Genetic monstrosity and your opponent has to face it befor
> you
> can play spreading the desease.
>
> OLAF
> >>
>
> Right you are Olaf...thanks I had a brain fart and couldn't remember
>
> OneWay

No problem

OLAF
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In a message dated 9/13/98 12:12:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
jestyr@*******.COM.AU writes:

> This list has always had a free speech policy.
wut ever!!! look all im saying as this list won't have any cry babies
okay....if you can't take the heat stay out my kitchen..


brakiss
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Gabe Rosario wrote:

> In a message dated 9/13/98 12:12:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> jestyr@*******.COM.AU writes:
>
> > This list has always had a free speech policy.
> wut ever!!! look all im saying as this list won't have any cry babies
> okay....if you can't take the heat stay out my kitchen..

No offense here... but in ALL honesty, who cares?
Thanks for the notice about the other list, but can't we talk about
something else on the list?

(heck, even silence is better than veiled insults)
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In a message dated 9/13/98 3:23:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, azweepay@***.COM
writes:

> Thanks for the notice about the other list, but can't we talk about
> something else on the list?
>
well if you have something to say....say it...
all im saying is if the list wouldn't be so restrictive people would talk
more.....why do you think this list is sooooooo dead???? huh einstein???

later....much later

brakiss
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Ok... Gabe.. you want something on the list...

Quick Question for everyone...

What irritates you the most about playing SRTCG in public places?

(I just tried to place a quick game with an acquaintance, and we were constantly
hassled by Card Crack Junkies who felt it necessary to degrade a potential
challenger to the Almighty Magic.)

I always try to be accomidating when playing card games... hell I usually
vocalize each phase/action... but these little twerps are exactly the reason why
I traded off a few collections for some Games Workshop products.

And a followup, has anyone suffered through an abusive game of Shadowrun
recently? Not a "bully deck" that geeks you quick, but rather a player who
can't
understand that this is merely a game and not a means of living.

Curious....

[oh, btw Gabe... thanks for compliment... I appreciate you recognizing my
superior intellect]
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>> This list has always had a free speech policy.

>wut ever!!! look all im saying as this list won't have any cry babies
>okay....if you can't take the heat stay out my kitchen..

Oh how grown up. In case you didn't notice, but SRCard isn't *your*
kitchen. How about you take your nice little attitude, and stuff it. People
are on this list for discussion about SRTCG, not for having to read your
pointless emails complaining about how *unfairly* you feel you have been
treated. Do us a favour, leave SRCard, dont' continue to point it out. You
have your own list to keep you company, with no cry babies. (Shyeah, right.
I count one already there.)

Sit back and think about how some people have gone off flaming the admin of
this list. It's a wonder, truly, why they bother to put up with such crap.
Go run your little ego booster. I'm sure you'll be on the recieving end of
the *truly* undeserved flames soon enough.

--
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From: Lady Jestyr <jestyr@*******.COM.AU>
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>I always try to be accomidating when playing card games... hell I usually
>vocalize each phase/action... but these little twerps are exactly the
reason why
>I traded off a few collections for some Games Workshop products.

After a few run-ins with some of the little twonks who assumed that females
shouldn't play ccgs/rpgs, I was more in the mood to trade off a few
collections for a baseball bat. :/

>And a followup, has anyone suffered through an abusive game of Shadowrun
>recently? Not a "bully deck" that geeks you quick, but rather a player
who can't
>understand that this is merely a game and not a means of living.

Not in Shadowrun, fortunately. Well, I should say *unfortunately*, because
it's due to the fact that I very rarely get to actually *play* the game,
since none of my friends collect/play it.

I've had a few games of Magic and Star Trek like that though - some people
just have a major problem with losing, I guess.

Lady Jestyr

- Eagles may soar, but turkeys don't get sucked into jet engines. -
jestyr@*******.com.au URL: http://www.geocities.com/~jestyr
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In a message dated 9/13/98 3:47:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
dvixen@********.COM writes:

> 'm sure you'll be on the recieving end of
> the *truly* undeserved flames soon enough.
and when i do i won't hide behibd the fact that im running the list....we'll
hash it out.....and all i did was post an alternative list and i get flamed
for that...maybe it's you who should grow up and take your blinders off....and
as far as my kitchen goes...you direct post to me...you in my kitchen
understand.....ego...naw sweetheart i have that already...i know i got mad
game okay...so that isn't even an issue...so talk to the hand...im doing this
for the game......giving people a choice...if you don't want to join don't i
merely invited people to try it out, but most of you are closed minded and
think you are better than me cuz im not in your click and im sorta like a
rebel....heheeheheh maybe even a zorro....anyways so before you come with your
bs about me being a cry baby...naw save it for someone who cares...im all
about the game.....


later.....

brak
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James Poppe schrieb:
> Ok... Gabe.. you want something on the list...
>
> Quick Question for everyone...
>
> What irritates you the most about playing SRTCG in public places?
>
> (I just tried to place a quick game with an acquaintance, and we were
> constantly
> hassled by Card Crack Junkies who felt it necessary to degrade a potential
> challenger to the Almighty Magic.)
>
> I always try to be accomidating when playing card games... hell I usually
> vocalize each phase/action... but these little twerps are exactly the reason
> why
> I traded off a few collections for some Games Workshop products.
>
> And a followup, has anyone suffered through an abusive game of Shadowrun
> recently? Not a "bully deck" that geeks you quick, but rather a player who
> can't
> understand that this is merely a game and not a means of living.
>
> Curious....
>
> [oh, btw Gabe... thanks for compliment... I appreciate you recognizing my
> superior intellect]


Hi,

I thing the most irritation comes from the noise around me.
My biggest problem when I play on public places is the time( most time the store
will close and the game isnt over).

OLAF

P.S.: I think it is nice to know there is a other list,so there is one to talk in
old english style and one where I can say what I think without having fear to be
pullet out of it.But thats just my worthless meaning.
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Hi,

Can I play more then 1 of the same special at the same time on the same
target(i.e. 4 bad rep. against a runner that is attacking one of my runners) ?

OLAF
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In a message dated 9/13/98 3:36:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, azweepay@***.COM
writes:

>
> What irritates you the most about playing SRTCG in public places?
>
well at school most people play magic and they look at us funny cuz we aint
playin the almighty game....but who cares magic players are mostly nerds and
geeks...and as always if i offended anyone..too bad, also being confused with
a magic player pisses me off too...

i also hate being called devil's toy for playing ccg's and roleplaying
games....what does the church know about stuff like that....priest should stop
playing with little boys and play ccg's....

and probably my biggest problem is how come there are no good looking female
ccg's/rpg's players?? i mean most look like troll npc's....ewwww

oh well let me wait here to get flamed on like always...

btw...this list was dead til i posted earlier today....so as much as you
people dislike me or flat out hate me.. i not you add life to this list...tell
yourselves what ever you need to, to make thru the day or night but i am mr.
saturday night on this list...i should charge for my services.....but im not
cuz im kewl like dat

> [oh, btw Gabe... thanks for compliment... I appreciate you recognizing my
> superior intellect]
>
> ummmm heheheh yeah i was being a smart ass...better than being a dumbass ya
know...



brakiss
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 04:25:52 EDT
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In a message dated 9/13/98 3:47:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
dvixen@********.COM writes:

> People
> are on this list for discussion about SRTCG, not for having to read your
> pointless emails complaining about how *unfairly* you feel you have been
> treated. Do us a favour, leave SRCard, dont' continue to point it out.

look sweety this list has been dead for about a week okay.....i bring life to
the list every time i post....why?? cuz i speak the truth...people don't want
to be baby sat or told you can't post this or you can't post that....people
want to hear about the f*ckin game....something this list has been
lacking....loki i'll go public with this...i have no beef with you...you and i
hashed out our problems a while ago...and you run a tight ship here...and i
give you lots of credit...much love!!! but also at times the list can be
restrictive....i don't want to compete with this list...i just want there to
be an alternative...if people want to do thing the same way over and over
again fine...im a mover i like it hot!!! i make things happen...so sue
me.....join my list or don't...im not gonna twist your arm....loki i hope you
can explain to the list why having another list(i hope) would only benefit the
game....if not it's okay you done enough by letting me stick around...and i
don't plan on leaving anytime soon...


brakiss
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greeting fellow list members.

im such most of you know who i am. yesterday i posted an alternative mailing
list for the srccg. i guess things might have went well if i don't point out
a few people as being cry babies and whiners. even thought i didn't mention
names, i got blasted for it. fine i was in the wrong, and for that IM SORRY.
the admins here are great, don't get me wrong and i know they have their
rules. that is fine too. I just want my list to be another stomping ground
for players. players like myself that don't always want to follow the rules
or want to talk slang and every now and than flame on someone. so with that i
would just like to say sorry to all those i ofended, you know who you are. my
list and my newsletter will still go on. if anyone is still interested in
either and i don't have your info send all replies to brakdayak@***.com



gabe
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At 02:05 9/13/98 , you wrote:
>greeting fellow list members.
[snip]

Thank you Gabe. I'm sure the apology will go over well.

And, as agreed in our private discussion, I also apologize to the list for
letting my temper get the best of me. ;)


--
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Herkimer's Lair - http://coastnet.com/~dvixen
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 10:22:53 EDT
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In a message dated 98-09-13 03:37:06 EDT, you write:

<< Quick Question for everyone...

What irritates you the most about playing SRTCG in public places?
>>

To get things back to a relevant matter ( Yes the info about the new list was
fine, but the rest is boring. ) I have had a couple problems that some of you
may have had, but also some may be guilty of. Some of you may think that this
is stupid, but I actually got my mom into SRTCG and when she seemed interested
I let her have half my cards, which were still unopened Starters. The thing
is while we were at a local con we were playing maybe her fifth game ever and
a "pro" saw us playing and started pointing out each of our mistakes. While I
must admit that I did miss a few important rules, the constant berrating was
pissing us both off. It almost drove her away from the game until I assured
her that no she would never have to play someone like that. Everyone has
"house rules", I just hate when someone watches over your shoulder and points
things out.

As for ye ole Magic, I played for awhile........ alright from Beta on up to
Dark, but that's not the point. Now when I say I used to play, I don't mean
like I do with SRTCG now. More like there was a weekly tournament, and that
get's boring in and of itself. Now, recently I went into the shop that used
to run the tournaments because I knew that almost any type of card gamer hangs
out for the weekly tournaments hoping for a game of their choice. I dropped
in and set up my Shadowrun deck and kinda sat around. Finally I noticed
another player looking at the starters for it and she bought three, and then
sat over in a corner looking through them. Another player seemed to notice
her as well, as while I was giving her a chance to look through her cards he
went over and and challenged her right away. Needless to say he trounced her
because she didn't get the chance to read the texts and the RBT. I later saw
her cards as up for sale at discount prices. Seems some people think that
winning and stomping someone ( read: some people's egos ) are more important
to them than new players.

MY biggest problem with public games though is people who ask me to teach them
while I am in the middle of runner to runner combat. I am more than happy to
teach it, I even took a job at Gencon with the FASA booth to help out, but I
hate it when they ask right in the middle of the game and actually expect you
to stop and show them right then. This is rather irritating, but even more so
when they are not interested in actually learning, but, as was already stated
in a previous mailing, just to ask what the hell you are doing. They are
interested in knowing what you are doing, but not in knowing "what you are
doing". Anyway, my tirads. Next!
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Subject: I tell you what pisses me off.
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When people on the list POST Trade LISTS and you send them a private e-mail,
and they blow you off... That's what pisses me off. Don't even post to the
list if you're not going to trade. It's bullshit.
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In a message dated 9/13/98 3:50:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
jestyr@*******.COM.AU writes:

<<
Not in Shadowrun, fortunately. Well, I should say *unfortunately*, because
it's due to the fact that I very rarely get to actually *play* the game,
since none of my friends collect/play it.

I've had a few games of Magic and Star Trek like that though - some people
just have a major problem with losing, I guess. >>


Lady Jester my friend once saw someone rip up a Black lotus. and a set of moxs
cause he got so pissed that he lost. i thought that was funny.
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In a message dated 9/13/98 4:09:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
Brakiss187@***.COM writes:

<< and probably my biggest problem is how come there are no good looking
female
ccg's/rpg's players?? i mean most look like troll npc's....ewwww

oh well let me wait here to get flamed on like always... >>


*Comments*
gabe I agree most Female role players are fat festering pigs. I went to this
Con in Jersey and i thought i was at an OA meeting. LOL. Or if they're not
fat, they look like their face has been dragged across the concrete a few
thousand times. Hot Women and Rolepaying/Card games is an oxymoron.
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At 12:46 PM 9/13/98 EDT, (Ryan Smith) wrote these timeless words:
>In a message dated 9/13/98 4:09:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>Brakiss187@***.COM writes:
>
><< and probably my biggest problem is how come there are no good looking
>female
> ccg's/rpg's players?? i mean most look like troll npc's....ewwww
>
> oh well let me wait here to get flamed on like always... >>
>
>
>*Comments*
>gabe I agree most Female role players are fat festering pigs. I went to this
>Con in Jersey and i thought i was at an OA meeting. LOL. Or if they're not
>fat, they look like their face has been dragged across the concrete a few
>thousand times. Hot Women and Rolepaying/Card games is an oxymoron.
>
Ummmm... I'd have to disagree with you on this one, and let's face it,
most GUYS who play RPG's fall into one of two categories... "Fat,
Festering pigs" (as you put it), or 95 pound stick boys... I'ma big guy
myself, though I'd not quite put myself in the first category... 10 years
of football has left it's mark :]

Now, I do have to say that, knowing several of our Female Listmembers
personally, they do NOT fall into your category... and the group I GMed
Earthdawn for at Gen Con had 3 girls, all of which were at least fairly
attractive. ONe of which was downright damned good looking :]

Let's not make these general,. sweeping, and insulting statements :]

Bull


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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 11:56:15 -0700
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---Gabe Rosario <Fasanews@***.COM> wrote:

<snip>

> list owner) we can hash it out. unlike here if you have a problem with an
> admin you have to keep your mouth shut..

Hey, if you're starting your own list 's cool.

Just try to not cross the lines between a public service announcement and
personal snipes.

SRCard has been up and running for more than a year. Sure there's quiet times
and busy times as far as bandwidth goes. That's gonn ahappen with any mailing
list.

The DLOH's tell me time and time again how they appreciate SRCard, and what
we're doing for the game. They monitor the list and have regular contact with
Admin and members. So I'm sure if we were doing something wrong as far as the
list goes, I would've heard by now.

The list is run as a sister list to ShadowRN. Same admin style, a number of
the same members or admin. Guidelines and rules are set forth in the FAQ, so
there sould be now suprises.

I recognize we're mature entities involved here. We're online and able to sub
the a mailing lsit, so that shows a degree of intelligence. I'm open for
constructive criticism and feedback from SRCard members. Lord know I've
received my fair share as Fearless Leader. However, I will not stand for open
flaming of myself, the other admin or list members. I will not allow criticism
(non-constructive) for the sake of criticism itself to go unchecked. That's
part of my job description, and part of my nature as a human being.

If you're starting another list. Cool, I wish you well. Just don't make it a
personal grudge matter, or posts on it an arena to air dirty laundry.

Welcome to the Sixth World. Play nice.

-== Loki ==-
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 20:33:50 +0100
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From: Mario Leite <mjcpl@******.RNL.IST.UTL.PT>
Subject: Auction of Shadowrun cards and promos
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Sorry to bother with this again but I was unable to sale my cards as a package so
I'm now making an auction.

Check:
http://camoes.rnl.ist.utl.pt/~mjcpl/auction.txt

All the cards are Limited Edition

MJ
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 17:35:08 -0400
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At 01:56 PM 9/13/98 +1000, the Fair Lady wrote:
>This list has always had a free speech policy.

Not to play the devil's advocate, but if there has always been a free
speech policy, that would be somewhat of a democratic process here too. I
for one have been told that this is not a democracy - that if I really
piss-off certain individuals I could be booted while also have been told
that my comments have at times been ill-construed and thus not proper. In
layman terms - "shut up Axl."

Of course, just my opinion while I still recover : 20 bands, 3 stages, 1
day *bleh*.
>>>>>Axlrose - ...<<<<<
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At 04:44 PM 9/12/98 +0200, Olaf wrote: (no offense intended - I edited)
>Just a new overdrive Challenge that came out of my twisted mind.;)

>Old House
>Challenge (Outdoor, unique)
>If the alarm is triggered, the owner of OH can play up to 3 Indoor
Challanges.
>Even on a no Indoor Challanges Objective. The Runner team must face all
of them before >they can pull out. (easy to go in, hard to come out)

>Sleaze Requirement: Leadership 3
>Text below: "I have said: no rest in this house, it isn't save."

I'd turn my runners Norm Abrahm, Steve Thomas, and Bob Vila to fix up "this
old house".

Yes, a weak joke on my part.

>>>>>Axlrose - recovering from RockStock 98!!!...<<<<<
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Gabe Rosario wrote:

> In a message dated 9/13/98 3:23:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, azweepay@***.COM
> writes:
>
> > Thanks for the notice about the other list, but can't we talk about
> > something else on the list?
> >
> well if you have something to say....say it...
> all im saying is if the list wouldn't be so restrictive people would talk
> more.....why do you think this list is sooooooo dead???? huh einstein???
>

Because most of the population only posts when they have somethin' to say.
Doesn't take a genius to figure out that removing "restrictions" doesn't
spontaneously make people have somethin' to say...

Wildfire
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Gabe Rosario wrote:

> In a message dated 9/13/98 3:36:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, azweepay@***.COM
> writes:
>
> >
> > What irritates you the most about playing SRTCG in public places?
> >
> well at school most people play magic and they look at us funny cuz we aint
> playin the almighty game....but who cares magic players are mostly nerds and
> geeks...and as always if i offended anyone..too bad, also being confused with
> a magic player pisses me off too...
>

Why? Maybe I'm the only one, but people here don't distingush between CCGs. They
just refer to all of those who play them as geeks. Hey, all the people in the
world can call me and my friends geeks if they want, and yes, I DO play Magic, but
fully 2/3 of my school, the 2nd ranked engineering school in the country, play
CCGs and I would tend to think that that being called a geek is a small price to
pay for a guartenteed 45,000+/year salary when I get outta here.

> i also hate being called devil's toy for playing ccg's and roleplaying
> games....what does the church know about stuff like that....priest should stop
> playing with little boys and play ccg's....
>

Hmm.. I seem to see that someone doesn't see that hating to be stereotyped applies
to everyone.

> and probably my biggest problem is how come there are no good looking female
> ccg's/rpg's players?? i mean most look like troll npc's....ewwww
>

Re: above. I also happen to by female, a CCG/RPG player, attractive in the
opinion of at least 20 males in the area, and REALLY hate those guys who treat
looks as a qualification for playing games. If that were the case, I'm sure that
fully half of the guys playing wouldn't qualify. BTW, from your opinions, I'm
fairly sure that you don't have any type of meaningful relationship going. Any
respectable female would know better from the first conversation with you.

> oh well let me wait here to get flamed on like always...
>

I don't see why you're surprised. If you want tolerance, you've got to have
some. And well, I think we can all see that you have none...

> btw...this list was dead til i posted earlier today....so as much as you
> people dislike me or flat out hate me.. i not you add life to this list...tell
> yourselves what ever you need to, to make thru the day or night but i am mr.
> saturday night on this list...i should charge for my services.....but im not
> cuz im kewl like dat
>

Oh, yeah. We're soo greatful. Did you ever stop to think that all of the rest of
us have lives outside of this list? Personnally I've been a little bit occupied
with my consulting project, which is a tad more important than posting to a list
for fun. I still wouldn't have posted except that your "statements" needed to
be
clarified as "opinion" and I am not a passive person. I actually would have
prefered a silent list than to have to type this out, but some people seem to have
a problem with not being the martyr. You know, to be a martyr, someone's gotta
think that your cause is just, and I have yet to see one person defend all of your
opinions, so don't go making yourself out to be the "poor suffering member of the
list". Nobody cares about it, since the most of the slights have been in your
mind, and the few actual disagreements are far smaller than you trying to make
them. Go find something productive to do with your imagination.

> > ummmm heheheh yeah i was being a smart ass...better than being a dumbass ya
> know...
>

Hmm, no being a smartass involves having some level of intellegence and some
actual wit. What you have is an ignorant opinion and the worst comebacks I've
ever seen.

Oh, by the way, don't go replying with your usual rich/upper class vs. your
poor/lower class argument. Life is what you make it. I'm not upper class, nor
rich. I worked damn hard to get where I am, and my family wasn't "suit". You
wanna try tough? You can tell me your story anytime, but I won't be impressed.
I've fought through a lot more than you can ever dream of, and will keep doing it
until I die.

Sincerely,

Wildfire
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Bull wrote:

> At 12:46 PM 9/13/98 EDT, (Ryan Smith) wrote these timeless words:
> >In a message dated 9/13/98 4:09:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> >Brakiss187@***.COM writes:
> >
> ><< and probably my biggest problem is how come there are no good looking
> >female
> > ccg's/rpg's players?? i mean most look like troll npc's....ewwww
> >
> > oh well let me wait here to get flamed on like always... >>
> >
> >
> >*Comments*
> >gabe I agree most Female role players are fat festering pigs. I went to this
> >Con in Jersey and i thought i was at an OA meeting. LOL. Or if they're not
> >fat, they look like their face has been dragged across the concrete a few
> >thousand times. Hot Women and Rolepaying/Card games is an oxymoron.
> >
> Ummmm... I'd have to disagree with you on this one, and let's face it,
> most GUYS who play RPG's fall into one of two categories... "Fat,
> Festering pigs" (as you put it), or 95 pound stick boys... I'ma big guy
> myself, though I'd not quite put myself in the first category... 10 years
> of football has left it's mark :]
>
> Now, I do have to say that, knowing several of our Female Listmembers
> personally, they do NOT fall into your category... and the group I GMed
> Earthdawn for at Gen Con had 3 girls, all of which were at least fairly
> attractive. ONe of which was downright damned good looking :]
>
> Let's not make these general,. sweeping, and insulting statements :]
>
> Bull

Hey, wow, someone on the list who doesn't sterotype...

Like those of us of the female gender don't have a hard enough time getting
respect in the real world, gamers can be the best and worst about it. I've played
with gamers who said that (no kidding) "AD&D isn't girl stuff. There aren't any
malls and makeup, so don't even bother, you wouldn't like it" which royally ticked
me off, to gamers who don't classify you as a girl, you're just another gamer.
Thanks for the defense. As for looks, I think you've nailed it, Bull. If you're
gonna make a generalazation about one gender, look at the other. At least if your
gonna steroetype, don't do it by gender.

Wildfire
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>Re: above. I also happen to by female, a CCG/RPG player, attractive in the
>opinion of at least 20 males in the area, and REALLY hate those guys who
treat
>looks as a qualification for playing games. If that were the case, I'm
sure that

Yeah! Yeah! What she said! :)

Seriously though, I'm in full agreement here. I'm terribly sorry for you
chaps that said all the female gamers you know are ugly, maybe you're just
unlucky. Or maybe the goodlooking ones just won't talk to you. :)

Either way, this thread is insulting. Please consider the feelings of the
people you're talking about here.

Lady Jestyr

- Eagles may soar, but turkeys don't get sucked into jet engines. -
jestyr@*******.com.au URL: http://www.geocities.com/~jestyr
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In a message dated 98-09-13 18:34:06 EDT, you write:

<<
>Re: above. I also happen to by female, a CCG/RPG player, attractive in the
>opinion of at least 20 males in the area, and REALLY hate those guys who
treat
>looks as a qualification for playing games. If that were the case, I'm
sure that

Yeah! Yeah! What she said! :)

Seriously though, I'm in full agreement here. I'm terribly sorry for you
chaps that said all the female gamers you know are ugly, maybe you're just
unlucky. Or maybe the goodlooking ones just won't talk to you. :)

Either way, this thread is insulting. Please consider the feelings of the
people you're talking about here.

Lady Jestyr
>>

I like what Wildfire and Lady J have said here ...I have been playing these
RPGs for about 20 years and there are many stereotypes. This in my opinion is
tragic and does not help either the RPGs or CCGs ( and Lady J, I've browsed
your site, and you definately don't fit the negative stereotype of females ).
I'd like the male members of the gaming world to quit bashing on the females
and realize they add to the game no matter what they look like. There are 3
women in my Saturday night AD&D game. They have differing styles of
playing, but they all contribute to the success of our game. At times they
lead the group in directions us guys would not have gone, for what ever
reason. This is only my view on the subject but if you ask me I wouldn't
trade the experience of gaming with women it has made my years of gaming that
much more fun. Hell I even had a female DM once, and it was one of the better
games i've been in.

OneWay......MyWay
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From: Hansen <hansen@********.COM.SG>
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> He didn't. There were CCGs before Magic, but most didn't hit big. He's
> protecting his rights to the concpt of 'tapping' (turning your cards
> sideways to represent thet they have been used, on matter what you call
> it.) The games which encroach this patent are if I remember correctly,
> Star Wars, X-files, Aliens vs Predator, L5R (but who cares Wotc owns them)
> and Middle Earth. These are the games I remember mentioned but there may
> be more.....

Read the patent. It covers a lot more than just tapping cards.


--Droopy
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In a message dated 98-09-13 17:36:16 EDT, you write:

<<
I'd turn my runners Norm Abrahm, Steve Thomas, and Bob Vila to fix up "this
old house".

Yes, a weak joke on my part.
>>
ROTFLMAO great Ax I love it...not so weak IMO...but a riotous good laugh

OneWay
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Actually, now I think about it, I know what REALLY annoys me about the
comments about female gamers.

There is a strong implication in those comments that it matters what the
female gamers look like, but not the male gamers. Why do the female gamers
have to be eye candy while the male gamers can be as scary-lookin' as they
like?

Hardly fair.

Lady Jestyr

- Eagles may soar, but turkeys don't get sucked into jet engines. -
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In a message dated 9/13/98 7:38:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jestyr@*******.COM.AU writes:

<< Actually, now I think about it, I know what REALLY annoys me about the
comments about female gamers.

There is a strong implication in those comments that it matters what the
female gamers look like, but not the male gamers. Why do the female gamers
have to be eye candy while the male gamers can be as scary-lookin' as they
like?

Hardly fair.

Lady Jestyr
>>


Listen Lady J. I may have come across hard. But I was only speaking from
expireance. Hey, i used to go down to this store and thats where i formed
most of my opinions. And for your information.. I take care of myself, I'm
not one of those fat festering pigs = ). Anyways, i didn't want to hurt
anyones feelings.
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At 12:41 PM 9/13/98 EDT, you wrote:
>When people on the list POST Trade LISTS and you send them a private=
e-mail,
>and they blow you off... That's what pisses me off. Don't even post to=
the
>list if you're not going to trade. It's bullshit.
>

I agree totally man.

Austin Lewis
• @ü§†¦|\| £ê\/\/¦§ •

"Try to restrict our freedom and we will fight even harder to preserve them"
- Perry Farrel
"I have seen the true path - I will not side by the fire, I will become the
flame" - Lim Oui
"The mad cannot explain just as the sane cannot comprehend" - Unknown
"Nobody but ourselves can free our minds" - Bob Marley
"Mess with the best, die like the rest" - Dade Murphy "Hackers"
"Hold a little tighter; I might just slip away" - Trent Reznor

"You're like lightning, you're so hard to find...But when you show up,
you're so beutiful....You're the shining, semi-blinding...Wish i was next
you, wish that i was lightning." - Hagfish www.hagfish.com

"Sometimes i wish that i could die, and meet you up on in the sky, 'cause
you're in heaven, where else would you be? I wan't to cradle all your fears,
i want to lick up all your tear's, i want to wash your dirty feet,and hold
you up when you are weak." - Hagfish
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At 03:55 AM 9/13/98 EDT, you wrote:
>In a message dated 9/13/98 3:47:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>dvixen@********.COM writes:
>
>> 'm sure you'll be on the recieving end of
>> the *truly* undeserved flames soon enough.
>and when i do i won't hide behibd the fact that im running the=
list....we'll
>hash it out.....and all i did was post an alternative list and i get flamed
>for that...maybe it's you who should grow up and take your blinders=
off....and
>as far as my kitchen goes...you direct post to me...you in my kitchen
>understand.....ego...naw sweetheart i have that already...i know i got mad
>game okay...so that isn't even an issue...so talk to the hand...im doing=
this
>for the game......giving people a choice...if you don't want to join don't=
i
>merely invited people to try it out, but most of you are closed minded and
>think you are better than me cuz im not in your click and im sorta like a
>rebel....heheeheheh maybe even a zorro....anyways so before you come with=
your
>bs about me being a cry baby...naw save it for someone who cares...im all
>about the game.....
>
>
>later.....
>
>brak
>

Ok, how about we just end all this eh? You folks sound like 7 year olds.
Frankly i just wanna play the game eh. BTW, HOW are you a rebel? and what
"click" is that....and how are you anyway like zorro?

Austin Lewis
• @ü§†¦|\| £ê\/\/¦§ •

"Try to restrict our freedom and we will fight even harder to preserve them"
- Perry Farrel
"I have seen the true path - I will not side by the fire, I will become the
flame" - Lim Oui
"The mad cannot explain just as the sane cannot comprehend" - Unknown
"Nobody but ourselves can free our minds" - Bob Marley
"Mess with the best, die like the rest" - Dade Murphy "Hackers"
"Hold a little tighter; I might just slip away" - Trent Reznor

"You're like lightning, you're so hard to find...But when you show up,
you're so beutiful....You're the shining, semi-blinding...Wish i was next
you, wish that i was lightning." - Hagfish www.hagfish.com

"Sometimes i wish that i could die, and meet you up on in the sky, 'cause
you're in heaven, where else would you be? I wan't to cradle all your fears,
i want to lick up all your tear's, i want to wash your dirty feet,and hold
you up when you are weak." - Hagfish
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<snip>
>
>
>Listen Lady J. I may have come across hard. But I was only speaking from
>expireance. Hey, i used to go down to this store and thats where i formed
>most of my opinions. And for your information.. I take care of myself, I'm
>not one of those fat festering pigs = ). Anyways, i didn't want to hurt
>anyones feelings.
>

Ok, ill do a quick little explanation of things here. Ya see, usually when
a male/female is good looking, thats makes them part of the popular crowd,
so there for, they look down on playing something they deem so "nerdy" as an
RPG/CCG. THAT may explain yer little problem.

A quick *DISCLAIMER*:

I just wanna make sure ya'll know that this is just a stereotype ive heard
and sometimes seen, but by all means is not true half the time, im sure most
of ya'll are normal ppl and are popular and good looking, etc... I mean im
no Stud myself, but you get the idea eh?

Just mah 2 cents eh :)

Austin Lewis
• @ü§†¦|\| £ê\/\/¦§ •

"Try to restrict our freedom and we will fight even harder to preserve them"
- Perry Farrel
"I have seen the true path - I will not side by the fire, I will become the
flame" - Lim Oui
"The mad cannot explain just as the sane cannot comprehend" - Unknown
"Nobody but ourselves can free our minds" - Bob Marley
"Mess with the best, die like the rest" - Dade Murphy "Hackers"
"Hold a little tighter; I might just slip away" - Trent Reznor

"You're like lightning, you're so hard to find...But when you show up,
you're so beutiful....You're the shining, semi-blinding...Wish i was next
you, wish that i was lightning." - Hagfish www.hagfish.com

"Sometimes i wish that i could die, and meet you up on in the sky, 'cause
you're in heaven, where else would you be? I wan't to cradle all your fears,
i want to lick up all your tear's, i want to wash your dirty feet,and hold
you up when you are weak." - Hagfish
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At 08:46 PM 9/13/98 -0400, Adam wrote:
<Snipped...>
[Sarcasm mode on]

<Snipped a huge signature...>

Man, what really ticks me off are people's signatures larger than their
responses.
*snicker* Hehehehe.....

[Sarcasm mode off]
>>>>>Axlrose - ...<<<<<
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(Ryan Smith) wrote:
>
> In a message dated 9/13/98 4:09:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> Brakiss187@***.COM writes:
>
> << and probably my biggest problem is how come there are no good looking
> female
> ccg's/rpg's players?? i mean most look like troll npc's....ewwww
>
> oh well let me wait here to get flamed on like always... >>
>
> *Comments*
> gabe I agree most Female role players are fat festering pigs. I went to this
> Con in Jersey and i thought i was at an OA meeting. LOL. Or if they're not
> fat, they look like their face has been dragged across the concrete a few
> thousand times. Hot Women and Rolepaying/Card games is an oxymoron.

Maybe cuz the cute gals know where to meet nice, good-looking guys - and
thatīs definitely not at average rpg, ccg or comics cons.
I may remark that I humbly count myself to the better male portion, and
since I donīt know any of you guysī looks and (most of) your characters,
Iīm not boxing anybody in. ---Felix
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In a message dated 98-09-13 12:48:13 EDT, you write:

> ccg's/rpg's players?? i mean most look like troll npc's....ewwww
>
> oh well let me wait here to get flamed on like always... >>
>
>
> *Comments*
> gabe I agree most Female role players are fat festering pigs. I went to
> this
> Con in Jersey and i thought i was at an OA meeting. LOL. Or if they're not
> fat, they look like their face has been dragged across the concrete a few
> thousand times. Hot Women and Rolepaying/Card games is an oxymoron.
>
well i for have to defend the fact no matter where you go and no matter what
you do there are going to be ugly and good looking people. it is all in the
eye of the beholder.
now for the fact about only ugly chicks being into RPG/CCG. i will tell you
that some of the women at gencon where very nice looking and there some really
troll looking guys, i would have to say that there where more guy trolls the
girls. as a matter-a-fact some of the magic player damn near made me lose my
lunch when i was wait to sign up for a shadowrun card game.

just one more point, i know at least four women that i game with that i
consider good looking to hot. yes one is my wife but she is hot

words from "DA' PUCK"
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In a message dated 98-09-13 14:38:10 EDT, you write:

> Now, I do have to say that, knowing several of our Female Listmembers
> personally, they do NOT fall into your category... and the group I GMed
> Earthdawn for at Gen Con had 3 girls, all of which were at least fairly
> attractive. ONe of which was downright damned good looking :]
>
i can back you up on that bull. i know whice one you where talking about

puck
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I have the following for trade:

> Bullet barrier
> Remington 750
> Stun Gloves
> All or Nothing
> Tactics:Converge
> Distraction
> Suicide Run

I'm looking for

Lord Torgo
The Big Chase
Skwraaaaaark!
Highway Showdown
Widow Trap
Yakuza Assassin

jc
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At 12:23 AM 9/14/98 EDT, Josh wrote:
>I have the following for trade:

<Snipped a list of cards...>

>I'm looking for

<Snipped another list of cards...>

>jc

*Axlrose the troll grabs Josh, murmuring something about similar names and
other fiances from his past, ties his ankles together, then strings him up
from a light pole in Bug City so some cockroach can feast, letting poor
Josh ponder why he posted a reply to a trade list over the server.....

>>>>>Axlrose - *thinking about knocking over a donut shop except too many
cops...<<<<<
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In a message dated 9/14/98 12:37:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
YuHyunCho@***.COM writes:

<<
I have the following for trade:

> Bullet barrier
> Remington 750
> Stun Gloves
> All or Nothing
> Tactics:Converge
> Distraction
> Suicide Run

I'm looking for

Lord Torgo
The Big Chase
Skwraaaaaark!
Highway Showdown
Widow Trap
Yakuza Assassin

jc >>


Once Again YUN Cho... DO NOT POST to the List.
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Guy that runs a small hobby / home biz store for TCGs is clearing out
his unsold stock of Shadowrun 1st Ed. He's got boxes going out the door at
$50 a pop. I was wondering if any people out there would be interested?
There's also singles as well, but I have still to grab a price list off
him for that. My group is going to be buying some, and I was wondering if
anyone else would like some? Please email me directly if you are
interested, as I usually skip through the discussion group pretty quickly
and miss most messages. I can arrange for them to be shipped directly to
you COD, or arrange to ship them out by courier for like $5 per box in
Australia. He's basically closed due to lack of business, but I thought
I'd do him a favour and get rid of some stock for him, plus we get our
gaming supplies from him at discounts normally anyway. Overseas people,
I'll see what I can do.

For the curious, I've been a lurker from around the start of this
discussion group, and traded to achieve my desired cards very early in the
piece, and stayed that way. I'm known as The Auctioneer in the Australian
Magic internet community, and am known to a fair number of them either in
person or via email. Oh, yes, the nickname comes from me running Magic
auctions as each new expansion comes out. <grin>

james
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Uncommon Runners (min: $0.5) :
**Hawkwind -> Ofereço 200$ (cerca de $1.1) pelas 2
**Knuckles -> Ofereço 200$ (cerca de $1.1) pelas 2
**Kraker Jack -> Ofereço 200$ (cerca de $1.1) pelas 2

Rare Runners (min: $1.5):
*Drake -> Ofereço $1.5
*Sally Tsung -> Ofereço $1.5

Uncommon Gear (min: $0.4):
*Ranger X -> Ofereço 100$ (cerca de $0.5)
*Sleep -> Ofereço 100$ (cerca de $0.5)
****Steamroller -> Ofereço 100$ (cerca de $0.5) por 1

Rare Gear (min: $1.0):
*Ranger Arms -> Ofereço $1

Common Objectives (min: $0.2):
****Harlequin's Game -> Ofereço 50$ (cerca de $0.3) por 1
***Sucker Run -> Ofereço 200$ (cerca de $1.1) por 2
mpcheval@********.fr $0.20
mpcheval@********.fr $0.20

Rare Challenges (min: $1.0):
*Guardian Dracoform -> Ofereço $1

That's all folks...

See ya,

João Maia
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Ofereço-te $2 pelo Drake e $1 pelo Guardian Dracoform

See ya,

João Maia
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Here are some card ideas I have had. These are not very polished, and =
in
some cases the card text is horrendously long. Suggestions =
appreciated.


DIRTY SECRETS / Objective (Corporate) / Reputation Variable [Uncommon]
(Picture is runners in a corporate dumpster, looking through
trash and paper)
-1/-1 to Corporate Challenges. No Indoor Challenges.
Requirements: Roll D6.
1: Loose 10 Reputation, Gain 10¥.
2-4: Gain 20 Reputation.
5+: Gain 20 Reputation and 5¥.
Add +1 to die roll for each Anti-Social Runner on run.
Flavor: "Sure, it ain't glamorous, but you avoid the crowds, and just
might find what you came for!"

VIRULENT STRAIN / SPECIAL / 3¥ [Uncommon]
Play on Runner with Virus tokens. This runner may never remove virus =
tokens.

Flavor: "I'm melting!"
Image: Runner's face is indeed... melting.

JANE-IN-THE-BOX / Corporate Decker - Prime Runner 3/1¥
1/3 Human. Recon. Decking-4, Technical-1.
Jane in the Box may not go on Shadowruns.
When assisting, Jane may send up to 3 runners on a
Shadowrun to the safehouse.
Flavor: "It's an ambush! Get out now!"
Picture: Icon of a cartoon image of a blonde human with pouting
red lips, giant blue eyes, and huge breasts encased in red vinyl,
floating inside a gray cube.

ICE-PICK / Ex-Corporate Decker / 5¥
3/3 Elf. Decking-2.
When assisting, Ice-Pick trashes an IC challenge on a 4+.
Flavor: "They taught me everything. That was their mistake."

SUPPLY RUN (THE ARMORY) / Objective / 0 REP
Mercenaries and Street Samurai are +1/+1 against challenges on this
objective. +1/+1 to indoor, Lone Star, and corporate challenges.
Requirements: Trash all gear/weapons running team is carrying. Trash
one runner.
Special: after Shadowrun is completed, owner of team may search deck =
and
put into play one gear/weapon and gear/ammo per 2 present runners.
Flavor: "We burned everything we had getting in, but when we got out we =

we were unstoppable!"

NIGHTMARE / Objective / 25 REP
Special: At end of any turn when Nightmare is revealed, players must
return any challenges on Nightmare to their hand.
Any runner cards are treated as challenges with their threat rating.
Requirements: When a Shadowrun is declared, other players each play
one challenge face down. Owner of objective chooses the stack.
If all challenges are defeated, players may again place challenges.
Repeat until players do not wish to play more challenges, or runner =
team
withdraws.
Reward: Place valor token on each present runner. Runners with valor =
tokens
are +1/+2 on future Shadowruns.
Flavor: "This wasn't real... or was it?"
(or, maybe more directly, face 1 challenge set, can withdraw)

NIGHTMARE / Objective / 25 REP
Special: Running team may withdraw from Shadowrun only
after completing an entire Challenge stack. Once all stacks
are completed, players may immediately place new challenges on
their stacks. Do this only once per turn.
Reward: Place valor token on each present runner. Runners with valor =
tokens
are +1/+2 on future Shadowruns.
Flavor: "This wasn't real... or was it?"

SILLY WORDS / Challenge (Electrical/Barrier)
Sleaze: Technical-2 or Decking-2
Silly Words can not be modified by an Objective.
Trash Silly Words if running team has no cyberware or weapon
gear cards.
3/12 (A1)
Picture: A metal detector with a gate at the end of its scanning
tunnel. The gate has a camera screen and a small gun mounted on top.
Flavor: "Sticks and stones can't hurt me. Please provide a password."

THE HIDDEN THREAT / Challenge (Awakened/Bug Spirit) / Unique [Rare]
Sleaze: Conjure-4 or Sorcery-5
Hidden Threat can not be modified by an Objective.
8/8 (A2). Any player may turn a Shaman they own to modify the
threat rating by +1/+1 or -1/-1 (their choice).
Picture: Cloaked figure in an alleyway. The cloak is parted just a
little, and insect arms are reaching out through the opening.
Flavor: "You never expected this, did you?"

JAILBREAK / Objective / 15 REP
When Jailbreak is scored, running player may choose to put back
into play any arrested player (either currently locked up or in the
player's hand). If gear has been trashed, it is not returned.
(Credit to Matt Breton, whose Breakout! objective inspired this)

RENRAKU SECURITY DECKER / Corporate Challenge [Rare]
When Renraku Security Decker is revealed, she is attached to
the current Objective, and does not count towards the number of
challenges that can be played on the Objective.
While Renraku Security Decker is in play, any deckers using recon
must roll D6:
1-2: No effect.
3+: Recon fails, and runner takes 3 AP damage - Runner's
Decking Skill.
Flavor: "I'm the real thing, baby!"

BACKUP / Prime Runner / 7/1¥
3/5. Biotech. Ork.
Conjure, Firearms.
Backup does not turn when using Biotech. Biotech may only be used
once per turn.
Flavor: "I'll cover you. And when you go down, I'll drag you out."

I'M YOUR BIGGEST FAN! / Special / 2/1¥
Place I'm Your Biggest Fan turned in owner's safehouse.
Turn I'm Your Biggest Fan to engage in runner vs. runner
combat with target Rocker. Fan is considered to be 3/1.
You may play gear on the Fan, but Fan may not trade gear.
Fan is not a Runner, and may not take other actions.

Teos.

Teos Abadia
Senior EHS Consultant
Enterprism Solutions
tabadia@*******************.com
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I'm going to make a simple request. This is my opinion, but I'm sure others
agree.

1. Please don't make insulting comments about anyone. The person making the
insult always looks worse.

2. When someone insults you, or otherwise ticks you off, please resist the
immature reaction to tell everyone on the list about it. I have objected to
people's e-mails dozens of times, and except for this one post, have never
made those complaints public. Why? I don't need to waste your time with
what I think about an off-topic post. Off-topic responses create more
off-topic responses. We can assume that you accurately defended your
maleness or femaleness offline. We don't need to actually witness the
defense itself. (And to be honest, 99% of the time, I have seen some really
unimaginative defenses.)

3. Please, please keep SRTCG alive. If we can't even work together, well,
this game is doomed. If we spent half as much energy on working together as
we spend arguing over how this list can run...

4. Think about why this list gets off topic. Prime reasons are that
someone insulted someone, or that someone posted off-topic garbage. if you
religiously adhere to A) not insulting anyone, B) posting only about the
game, and C) changing your subject line to match what you are talking about,
then maybe this list would not have such a low signal to noise ratio.

I care a lot about this list, but it's easy to see why this list can loose
subscribers.

That's my rant, it is up to you to decide whether you have the maturity to
keep your arguments offline and to stick by the list rules. I challenge
you, because I know you can't do it. PLEASE RESPOND, IF YOU MUST, ONLY BY
PERSONAL MAIL.

To make up for my breaking my personal code, I have spent some time atoning
and making new card ideas. I will send them in a separate e-mail so people
won't reply using this same subject header.

Peace,

Teos.

Teos Abadia
Senior EHS Consultant
Enterprism Solutions
tabadia@*******************.com
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--Teos Abadia <tabadia@*********.COM> wrote:

I don't need to waste your time with
> what I think about an off-topic post. Off-topic responses create more
> off-topic responses

Um...I'm mostly an observer on this list, but out of the dozen or
so list that I've been on, when people start griping about off-topic
post, the list usually goes down hill from there.

This isn't a very busy list and as long as you clearly state in your
subject line that it's off-yopic, then I don't see why it's such a big
deal.

>
> 3. Please, please keep SRTCG alive. If we can't even work
together, well,
> this game is doomed. If we spent half as much energy on working
together as
> we spend arguing over how this list can run...

I don't see a problem with the list. We had one person who is a
little immature make some comments about why he wants to moderate his
own list, but other than that I don't think it's as bad as you make it
out to be.

Besides, what he did post, was on-topic and he had a right to voice
his opinion of this list. Maybe worded better, but....


> 4. Think about why this list gets off topic. B) posting only about
the
> game, and C) changing your subject line to match what you are
talking about,
> then maybe this list would not have such a low signal to noise ratio.


Again, i don't see the big deal about off topic post. We don't have
that many post. Maybe on the RN list where there is 100+ post a day,
it could matter, but not here. If it's just flames your speaking about
then sure, they don't belong here.


> I care a lot about this list, but it's easy to see why this list can
loose
> subscribers.

I doubt it's from off-topic post. Actually for every one flame
post, there are 3 of you to complain about it. I think anyone on a
list knows all about flames and they've learned to avoid those
threads. They don't need a "list etiquette" post every other day.
Those are annoying.


I challenge
> you, because I know you can't do it. PLEASE RESPOND, IF YOU MUST,
ONLY BY
> PERSONAL MAIL.


Um...no. This is the problem. This is a discussion list. Sure, it's
for discussion of the game, but if you bring out a topic, then expect
it to be discussed on the list. What you're saying is that you have
the right to post this off topic thread, but our replies don't have
the same merit as your post ,so we have to do it off list.

> To make up for my breaking my personal code, I have spent some time
atoning
> and making new card ideas. I will send them in a separate e-mail so
people
> won't reply using this same subject header.


Hmm...who rights these rules to determine what is off topic and
what is on topic?

I don't think imaginary cards do anything to help me with the game.
They are not a part of the game, to me these are useless post. Now to
others, they may be interesting post. This is the nature of a
discussion list. You dont' see me telling people they're not allowed
to post fantasy cards do you?

AdamL
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Several questions came up during play this weekend.

* Probably a dumb question, but I just want verification:
Can you benefit from the armor bonus you get from either
the Yamaha Rapier or the Harley Scorpion against an
Indoor Challenge?

* If you have the special card 'Ancients' in play, and your
Elf Ganger (just as an aside, why are there only 2 Elf
Gangers?) has a bike, do you get the armor bonus from
the Ancients against an Indoor Challenge (if the answer
to the above is "no")?

* I know this will sound like a dumb question, but this is kind
of ambiguous:
The Yamaha Rapier says that it's armor is not cumulative
with any other Armor. The Ancients says your Elf Gangers
get +2/+0 (A+2). If your Elf Ganger has a Rapier, does he
get the armor bonus provided for by the Ancients?

* You control a Bulldog Van. In a Bar Fight combat, does
your runner get the armor bonus provided by the BDV?

* Can your mage use his Armor Spell in response to a
Riots that has just been played?

* Can you play "State of Confusion" in response to a
Riots that has just been played?
(my answer was "no" to both of the above)

thnx,
Sorrow
---
I don't want to be alone | I hurt, therefore I am
anymore |--------------------------------
I don't want to be anyone | "What are you looking at...?
anymore | you never seen anyone try to
I don't need a reason to kill myself | commit suicide before?" - Anon
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>* Can you play "State of Confusion" in response to a
>Riots that has just been played?
>(my answer was "no" to both of the above)

I would agree with you on this one being no, mainly because Riots affects
everyone, and I don't know what you could SOC this card to.

"You may choose a new, legal target for a Special
card just played"

As this card is a special that affects all runners, I wouldn't think it's
dependent on a "legal" runner.

So again, I think you're right in saying no to that one.

Cheers,

J
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Hi everybody,
I don't know if this is due to my english or to the card wording, but here
is my problem.
I have the Z-zone in play and decide to use it.
I chose a team of, say 3 runner. (1° do i have to turn them ?)
I roll a dice: On 1 or 6 I have to 3 nuyen or trash a runner at random.
On 2-5, I attack another player team.
This is where I get lost:

ALL RUNNERS ON BOTH SIDE MUST BE COMMITED TO THE FIGHT.

Why did I chose some runners If all runners are involved ?
What about turned runners?

Thanks for your help.
Vincent"lost again"Schmitt.
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In a message dated 9/14/98 6:47:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
james@********.SYD.NET.AU writes:

<< Guy that runs a small hobby / home biz store for TCGs is clearing out
his unsold stock of Shadowrun 1st Ed. He's got boxes going out the door at
$50 a pop. I was wondering if any people out there would be interested?
There's also singles as well, but I have still to grab a price list off
him for that. My group is going to be buying some, and I was wondering if
anyone else would like some? Please email me directly if you are
interested, as I usually skip through the discussion group pretty quickly
and miss most messages. I can arrange for them to be shipped directly to
you COD, or arrange to ship them out by courier for like $5 per box in
Australia. He's basically closed due to lack of business, but I thought
I'd do him a favour and get rid of some stock for him, plus we get our
gaming supplies from him at discounts normally anyway. Overseas people,
I'll see what I can do. >>


hey this is a great idea. Problem is it would probably come about to 60
dollars with the airshipping and boxing. I can get that price through
potamic, But thanks for letting us know
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>Hi everybody,
>I don't know if this is due to my english or to the card wording, but here
>is my problem.
>I have the Z-zone in play and decide to use it.
>I chose a team of, say 3 runner. (1° do i have to turn them ?)
>I roll a dice: On 1 or 6 I have to 3 nuyen or trash a runner at random.
> On 2-5, I attack another player team.
>This is where I get lost:
>
> ALL RUNNERS ON BOTH SIDE MUST BE COMMITED TO THE FIGHT.
>
>Why did I chose some runners If all runners are involved ?
>What about turned runners?

This is how I've played it, and I could be wrong....

I pick my team of, oh, let's say 5 runners. I decide to go to the Z-Zone,
because one of my opponents has on the table 4 Thrash, 4 Glitz, and 3
Hawkwinds, along with a Grizzly and two Iron Mikes. Both Mikes and Grizz
are turned from a previous attempt at a shadowrun, as well as two of the
Hawkwinds. I manage to roll a 5. Cool, no fee.

My running team of 5 fights all of his unturned runners. I *think* it
means all of your runners that go to Z-zone, but all of his unturned
runners. In summmary, my Skwaaaaaark!s and Torgo eat the rockers and one
hawkwind for lunch, because there's nowhere they can run and hide...heh heh
heh (evil laugh with small smirk)

I could be wrong...but that's how I (we) have played it.

Cheers,

J
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<snip>
>hey this is a great idea. Problem is it would probably come about to 60
>dollars with the airshipping and boxing. I can get that price through
>potamic, But thanks for letting us know
<snip>

Don't make that assumption for everyone. A person doesn't have to spend
$100 by buying from Australia like they would with the minimum order from
Potomac.

You know what happens when you make an assumption, don't you?
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Hoi,

>>>Re: above. I also happen to by female, a CCG/RPG player,
>>>attractive in the opinion of at least 20 males in the area, and
>>>REALLY hate those guys who treat looks as a qualification for
>>>playing games. If that were the case, I'm sure that
>
>> Yeah! Yeah! What she said! :)
>
>>Seriously though, I'm in full agreement here. I'm terribly sorry for
>>you chaps that said all the female gamers you know are ugly, maybe
>>you're just unlucky. Or maybe the goodlooking ones just won't talk
>>to you. :)
>
>> Either way, this thread is insulting. Please consider the feelings >>
of the people you're talking about here.
>
>> Lady Jestyr


>I like what Wildfire and Lady J have said here ...I have been playing
>these RPGs for about 20 years and there are many stereotypes. This >in
my opinion is tragic and does not help either the RPGs or CCGs ( >and
Lady J, I've browsed your site, and you definately don't fit the
>negative stereotype of females ).
>I'd like the male members of the gaming world to quit bashing on the
>females and realize they add to the game no matter what they look
>like. There are 3 women in my Saturday night AD&D game. They have
>differing styles of playing, but they all contribute to the success >of
our game. At times they lead the group in directions us guys >would not
have gone, for what ever reason. This is only my view on >the subject
but if you ask me I wouldn't trade the experience of >gaming with women
it has made my years of gaming that much more fun. >Hell I even had a
female DM once, and it was one of the better games >i've been in.
>
>OneWay......MyWay

Full agreement here. I play with two different gaming parties on
different nights of the week. One that has females in it and one that
doesn't. The two nights are very different. Most females don't like
the typical male full frontal assault tactic. So you have to come up
with alternitive ideas, its makes it more fun. The same goes with
playing CCGs, their minds works in very different ways and it really
keeps me on my toes. They will do things that really don't make much
sence at the time, then come around and slam me. I would not trade my
gaming (RPGs or CCGs) experance with females for any thing.

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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:48:09 EDT
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In a message dated 9/14/98 1:02:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jonathan.edwards@*****.COM writes:

<<
Don't make that assumption for everyone. A person doesn't have to spend
$100 by buying from Australia like they would with the minimum order from
Potomac.

You know what happens when you make an assumption, don't you? >>


I meant All-Star trading.. not potamic
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Hey, whatever happened with your auction?
I bid on several cards, but haven't heard back from you since
the end. Did someone outbid me on *all* the cards I bid on?

Sorrow
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anymore |--------------------------------
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anymore | you never seen anyone try to
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Hoi,

>Here are some card ideas I have had. These are not very polished, >and
in some cases the card text is horrendously long. Suggestions
>appreciated.
>
>
>DIRTY SECRETS / Objective (Corporate) / Reputation Variable >[Uncommon]
>(Picture is runners in a corporate dumpster, looking through
>trash and paper)
>-1/-1 to Corporate Challenges. No Indoor Challenges.
>Requirements: Roll D6.
>1: Loose 10 Reputation, Gain 5¥.
>2-4: Gain 20 Reputation.
>5+: Gain 20 Reputation and 5¥.
>Add +1 to die roll for each Anti-Social Runner on run.
>Flavor: "Sure, it ain't glamorous, but you avoid the crowds, and >just
might find what you came for!"

This I like... would probably see more use after Corp War comes out.

>VIRULENT STRAIN / SPECIAL / 3¥ [Uncommon]
>Play on Runner with Virus tokens. This runner may never remove virus
>tokens.
>
>Flavor: "I'm melting!"
>Image: Runner's face is indeed... melting.

Evil... just pure evil :)

>JANE-IN-THE-BOX / Corporate Decker - Prime Runner 3/1¥
>1/3 Human. Recon. Decking-4, Technical-1.
>Jane in the Box may not go on Shadowruns.
>When assisting, Jane may send up to 3 runners on a
>Shadowrun to the safehouse.
>Flavor: "It's an ambush! Get out now!"
>Picture: Icon of a cartoon image of a blonde human with pouting
>red lips, giant blue eyes, and huge breasts encased in red vinyl,
>floating inside a gray cube.

Way too cheap for the number of skills she has plus a special ability
that does not have a cost attached to it. I would either drop skills to
decking of 1 and add a 2¥ cost to her special or raise her cost to 6 or
7 nuyen and keep the upkeep the same. (BTW if she cant go on shadowruns
then the technical skill does absoultly no good to anyone at any time.)

>ICE-PICK / Ex-Corporate Decker / 5¥
>3/3 Elf. Decking-2.
>When assisting, Ice-Pick trashes an IC challenge on a 4+.
>Flavor: "They taught me everything. That was their mistake."

Had a runner with this name once once :) Anyway really cool except I
have no idea what an IC challenge is. As far as I know there isn't any
that exist. Maybe corp war will fix that.

>SUPPLY RUN (THE ARMORY) / Objective / 0 REP
>Mercenaries and Street Samurai are +1/+1 against challenges on >this
objective. +1/+1 to indoor, Lone Star, and corporate >challenges.
Requirements: Trash all gear/weapons running team is >carrying. Trash
one runner.
>Special: after Shadowrun is completed, owner of team may search deck
>and put into play one gear/weapon and gear/ammo per 2 present >runners.
>Flavor: "We burned everything we had getting in, but when we got out
>we were unstoppable!"

A little messy... I would never run against an objective that required
me to trash all gear and 1 runner... just wouldn't happen. I would
change it to say trash D6 gear or 1 runner if no gear can be trashed.
and also give it some rep reward like 20.

>NIGHTMARE / Objective / 25 REP
>Special: At end of any turn when Nightmare is revealed, players >must
return any challenges on Nightmare to their hand.
>Any runner cards are treated as challenges with their threat >rating.
>Requirements: When a Shadowrun is declared, other players each >play
one challenge face down. Owner of objective chooses the >stack.
>If all challenges are defeated, players may again place challenges.
>Repeat until players do not wish to play more challenges, or runner =
>team withdraws.
>Reward: Place valor token on each present runner. Runners with valor
>tokens are +1/+2 on future Shadowruns.
>Flavor: "This wasn't real... or was it?"
>(or, maybe more directly, face 1 challenge set, can withdraw)

I thought that the last one was messy... this looks like my room.
Anyway - I might rewrite it something like this.

Nightmare / objecive / rep 25
special : At the begining of Mightmares owners turn return all
challenges on Nightmare to their owners hand. Any player may then place
up to the maximum number of challenges onto Nightmare. If Runners are
used as a bluff treat runner as valid challenge and it must be faced.
Reward: place valor token on each present runner. Runners with valor
tokens are +1/+2 on future shadowruns.

Just something a little easier to swallow.

>NIGHTMARE / Objective / 25 REP
>Special: Running team may withdraw from Shadowrun only
>after completing an entire Challenge stack. Once all stacks
>are completed, players may immediately place new challenges on
>their stacks. Do this only once per turn.
>Reward: Place valor token on each present runner. Runners with valor
>tokens= are +1/+2 on future Shadowruns.
>Flavor: "This wasn't real... or was it?"

This is a good second choice for nightmare.

>SILLY WORDS / Challenge (Electrical/Barrier)
>Sleaze: Technical-2 or Decking-2
>Silly Words can not be modified by an Objective.
>Trash Silly Words if running team has no cyberware or weapon
>gear cards.
>3/12 (A1)
>Picture: A metal detector with a gate at the end of its scanning
>tunnel. The gate has a camera screen and a small gun mounted on >top.
>Flavor: "Sticks and stones can't hurt me. Please provide a password."

I like this one... really good.

>THE HIDDEN THREAT / Challenge (Awakened/Bug Spirit) / Unique [Rare]
>Sleaze: Conjure-4 or Sorcery-5
>Hidden Threat can not be modified by an Objective.
>8/8 (A2). Any player may turn a Shaman they own to modify the
>threat rating by +1/+1 or -1/-1 (their choice).
>Picture: Cloaked figure in an alleyway. The cloak is parted just
>little, and insect arms are reaching out through the opening.
>Flavor: "You never expected this, did you?"

I would change it so that the modification can be done by both shamans
and mages since they are both part of the sleaze requirement.

Tough... but I like it.

>JAILBREAK / Objective / 15 REP
>When Jailbreak is scored, running player may choose to put back
>into play any arrested player (either currently locked up or in >the
player's hand). If gear has been trashed, it is not returned.
>(Credit to Matt Breton, whose Breakout! objective inspired this)

Shrug... No real ideas on this one.

>RENRAKU SECURITY DECKER / Corporate Challenge [Rare]
>When Renraku Security Decker is revealed, she is attached to
>the current Objective, and does not count towards the number of
>challenges that can be played on the Objective.
>While Renraku Security Decker is in play, any deckers using recon
>must roll D6:
>1-2: No effect.
>3+: Recon fails, and runner takes 3 AP damage - Runner's
>Decking Skill.
>Flavor: "I'm the real thing, baby!"

I like this... but would also change it slightly by adding if revealed
during a shadowrun she does 2 points AP damage to all decker present or
assising on shadowrun.

>BACKUP / Prime Runner / 7/1¥
>3/5. Biotech. Ork.
>Conjure, Firearms.
>Backup does not turn when using Biotech. Biotech may only be used
>once per turn.
>Flavor: "I'll cover you. And when you go down, I'll drag you out."

I like this... lets him use biotech and then still be able to go on a
run... but can't use it during the run.

>I'M YOUR BIGGEST FAN! / Special / 2/1¥
>Place I'm Your Biggest Fan turned in owner's safehouse.
>Turn I'm Your Biggest Fan to engage in runner vs. runner
>combat with target Rocker. Fan is considered to be 3/1.
>You may play gear on the Fan, but Fan may not trade gear.
>Fan is not a Runner, and may not take other actions.

I like this one too.

>Teos.


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Hoi,

>Several questions came up during play this weekend.
>
>* Probably a dumb question, but I just want verification:
>Can you benefit from the armor bonus you get from either
>the Yamaha Rapier or the Harley Scorpion against an
>Indoor Challenge?

I would say no. The card says it cannot be used against an indoor
challenge.

>
>* If you have the special card 'Ancients' in play, and your
>Elf Ganger (just as an aside, why are there only 2 Elf
>Gangers?) has a bike, do you get the armor bonus from
>the Ancients against an Indoor Challenge (if the answer
>to the above is "no")?

I also have found the fact that there are only two elf gangers a bit
annoying... anyway... I would on this account say yes. The ancients
says you get the bonus (A+2) if that runner is equiped with an bike.
However I would still say that the bike armor does not work on an indoor
challenge. In this case an ancient with a bike would have an armor of 2
against an indoor challege. And have an armor rating of 3 against all
other challenges.

>* I know this will sound like a dumb question, but this is kind
>of ambiguous:
>The Yamaha Rapier says that it's armor is not cumulative
>with any other Armor. The Ancients says your Elf Gangers
>get +2/+0 (A+2). If your Elf Ganger has a Rapier, does he
>get the armor bonus provided for by the Ancients?

Yes... the bike is (A1)... this is not cumulitive with built in runner
armor. They are always listed as (A#). However if any armor card says
armor (A+#)... that armor is always cumulitive with any other armor
source, even ones listed as (A#).

>* You control a Bulldog Van. In a Bar Fight combat, does
>your runner get the armor bonus provided by the BDV?

No, because the bulldog van protects runners in the safehouse. All
runner vs. runner combat is outside the safehouse.

>* Can your mage use his Armor Spell in response to a
>Riots that has just been played?

I would say yes... only because I like mages and the like and the fact
that you can turn any program or spell while in the safehouse and it
will work.

>* Can you play "State of Confusion" in response to a
>Riots that has just been played?
>(my answer was "no" to both of the above)

No... riots does not target any one runner. It attacks everybody on the
table.

>Sorrow

Hope some of this helps.


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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 06:51:12 +1000
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On Mon, 14 Sep 1998, (Ryan Smith) wrote:

> In a message dated 9/14/98 6:47:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> james@********.SYD.NET.AU writes:
>
> << Guy that runs a small hobby / home biz store for TCGs is clearing out
> his unsold stock of Shadowrun 1st Ed. He's got boxes going out the door at
> $50 a pop. I was wondering if any people out there would be interested?
> There's also singles as well, but I have still to grab a price list off
> him for that. My group is going to be buying some, and I was wondering if
> anyone else would like some? Please email me directly if you are
> interested, as I usually skip through the discussion group pretty quickly
> and miss most messages. I can arrange for them to be shipped directly to
> you COD, or arrange to ship them out by courier for like $5 per box in
> Australia. He's basically closed due to lack of business, but I thought
> I'd do him a favour and get rid of some stock for him, plus we get our
> gaming supplies from him at discounts normally anyway. Overseas people,
> I'll see what I can do. >>
>
>
> hey this is a great idea. Problem is it would probably come about to 60
> dollars with the airshipping and boxing. I can get that price through
> potamic, But thanks for letting us know
>

Yeah, that's why I tried to solicit people within Australia, more or less.
<grin>
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On Mon, 14 Sep 1998, Jon Edwards wrote:

> <snip>
> >hey this is a great idea. Problem is it would probably come about to 60
> >dollars with the airshipping and boxing. I can get that price through
> >potamic, But thanks for letting us know
> <snip>
>
> Don't make that assumption for everyone. A person doesn't have to spend
> $100 by buying from Australia like they would with the minimum order from
> Potomac.
>
> You know what happens when you make an assumption, don't you?
>

You make an ASS out of U and ME. <grin> As I will be getting the stuff
andsending it on myself, no, there won't be a minimum order. <grin> I
don't care who wants want, as I'm not a shop, just trying to help. <grin>
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from "James Chao" at Sep 15, 98 6:53 am

Hi all!
Now what it looks like you may not have taken into account is that the $50
box is $50 Australian. Last i heard the US$ was doing quite a bit better than
our humble AUD.
just a thought.
nath.
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Sorrow wrote:
>
> Several questions came up during play this weekend.
>
> * Probably a dumb question, but I just want verification:
> Can you benefit from the armor bonus you get from either
> the Yamaha Rapier or the Harley Scorpion against an
> Indoor Challenge?

No
>
> * If you have the special card 'Ancients' in play, and your
> Elf Ganger (just as an aside, why are there only 2 Elf
> Gangers?) has a bike, do you get the armor bonus from
> the Ancients against an Indoor Challenge (if the answer
> to the above is "no")?

You donīt get the bonus. Since bikes are unusable Indoor, the bonus
doesnīt apply.
>
> * I know this will sound like a dumb question, but this is kind
> of ambiguous:
> The Yamaha Rapier says that it's armor is not cumulative
> with any other Armor. The Ancients says your Elf Gangers
> get +2/+0 (A+2). If your Elf Ganger has a Rapier, does he
> get the armor bonus provided for by the Ancients?

IMHO no.
>
> * You control a Bulldog Van. In a Bar Fight combat, does
> your runner get the armor bonus provided by the BDV?

The runner turns for combat, plus combat doesnīt take place in the
safehouse, so thereīs no help from Bully.
>
> * Can your mage use his Armor Spell in response to a
> Riots that has just been played?

No. Thereīs not a fight.
>
> * Can you play "State of Confusion" in response to a
> Riots that has just been played?
> (my answer was "no" to both of the above)

No SoC, since Riots donīt target any specific Runner or player.

Felix
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> Betreff: Gender Problems
>
> Actually, now I think about it, I know what REALLY annoys me about the
> comments about female gamers.
>
> There is a strong implication in those comments that it matters what the
> female gamers look like, but not the male gamers. Why do the female
gamers
> have to be eye candy while the male gamers can be as scary-lookin' as
they
> like?
>
> Hardly fair.
>
Actually, now I think about it, I know what REALLY annoys me of SRTCG.
Did anyone of you find a female troll in First Run or Underworld ? No. Only
women like Cherry Bomb, Hawkwind, Shasta, Tinkerbell hang around. And there
are many cute little guys like Lord Torgo or Razorback, really good
looking. Why do game designers think all girls are really hot and all guys
have to look mean but ugly.
I want to see some fat festering pigs in this game and not these
overattractive women ...
Cause that's life. Not every girl is a Cindy Crawford or Cameron Diaz and
not every gaming girl is a fat festering pig. And not every gaming boy
either.

Hardly fair.

Dirk the Daring (not really a fat festering pig)
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At 01:53 PM 9/15/98 , you wrote:
> Hi all!
> Now what it looks like you may not have taken into account is that the $50
> box is $50 Australian. Last i heard the US$ was doing quite a bit better
than
> our humble AUD.
> just a thought.


That translates to 29.91 American....Hmmmmmmmmm....
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Does anyone have any Wanteds that they would be interested in trading? If you
do, email me privately and we can work somehting out. Please send me some
sort of an idea what you are looking for.

Thanks,

--Rich Smith
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Hi everbuddy!

My friend Olaf Kramer will stay turned for some rounds (his PC crashed
very hard), so please be patient if youīre waiting for a response.
Rich Smith: your trade goes o.k.

Felix
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In a message dated 9/14/98 6:13:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jonathan.edwards@*****.COM writes:

<< That translates to 29.91 American....Hmmmmmmmmm.... >>


Oh Wow.... now you got me thinkin
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-----Original Message-----
From: Mo'ike Manawa <ManawaWolf@***.COM>
Date: Sunday, September 13, 1998 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: General Playing Styles


>In a message dated 98-09-13 03:37:06 EDT, you write:
>
><< Quick Question for everyone...
>
> What irritates you the most about playing SRTCG in public places?
> >>

[snip]
>
>MY biggest problem with public games though is people who ask me to teach
them
>while I am in the middle of runner to runner combat. I am more than happy
to
>teach it, I even took a job at Gencon with the FASA booth to help out, but
I
>hate it when they ask right in the middle of the game and actually expect
you
>to stop and show them right then. This is rather irritating, but even more
so
>when they are not interested in actually learning, but, as was already
stated
>in a previous mailing, just to ask what the hell you are doing. They are
>interested in knowing what you are doing, but not in knowing "what you are
>doing". Anyway, my tirads. Next!
>

In a similar vein, anybody ever try to make a TRADE with one of these clowns
hanging around? "You're gonna trade that for THAT?!? Man, you're getting
your lips ripped off! Wait, I'll trade you this instead, it's a better
card!" I had to quit trading at meets for this reason, it was only a matter
of time before I hurt somebody. Incidentally, it's much worse with Magic
than anything else.

Keith
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>> * I know this will sound like a dumb question, but this is kind
>> of ambiguous:
>> The Yamaha Rapier says that it's armor is not cumulative
>> with any other Armor. The Ancients says your Elf Gangers
>> get +2/+0 (A+2). If your Elf Ganger has a Rapier, does he
>> get the armor bonus provided for by the Ancients?
>IMHO no.

I'm not saying either way (since I did ask the question initially),
and I'm certainly not discounting your opinion (especially since
you state it as such), but if this is true, then it would make "The
Ancients" the most worthless Gang HQ printed. There are only
2 Elf Gangers and only 1 Bike (a total of 12 cards max) that
would usable in conjunction with it.

Sorrow
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anymore | you never seen anyone try to
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> >> * I know this will sound like a dumb question, but this is kind
> >> of ambiguous:
> >> The Yamaha Rapier says that it's armor is not cumulative
> >> with any other Armor. The Ancients says your Elf Gangers
> >> get +2/+0 (A+2). If your Elf Ganger has a Rapier, does he
> >> get the armor bonus provided for by the Ancients?
> >IMHO no.
>
> I'm not saying either way (since I did ask the question initially),
> and I'm certainly not discounting your opinion (especially since
> you state it as such), but if this is true, then it would make "The
> Ancients" the most worthless Gang HQ printed. There are only
> 2 Elf Gangers and only 1 Bike (a total of 12 cards max) that
> would usable in conjunction with it.
>
Here's another point of view:

With the Ancient HQ in play you pay 1 nuyen for deploying a
bike so for 4 Harley and 4 Rapier that's 8 nuyens, the price
of a Gore Tusk.

With the +2/+2 (A+2) bonus the Harley gives a final +3/+2
(A3). And you can still add some Armor.
Withe the same bonus the Rapier gives a final +2/+2 (A1).

You can play a Nerps! to get a 5th Harley.

The 2 Elf Ganger are Viper and Redline (4/3 runners both of
them)
With a Harley that's a 7/5 (A3) runner.
With a Rapier that's a 6/5 (A1) runner.

Through the Initiation objective you can bring any other Elf
to become a ganger (A "ganger" Drake with a Harley is a 7/7
(A3) runner).

What exactly do you find worthless ?
1 nuyen to get (A3) and +3/+2 ? Hey a full heavy Armor cost
6 nuyens and it's only (A2).
Well, Elves don't need Heavy Armor...

so long
Apone




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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 20:49:54 -0600
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From: Adam J <adamj@*********.HTML.COM>
Subject: [Admin and/or GridSec] $117 minus taxes
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In short -- I have a real job. Which means I'm currently working 7am to
5:30pm, and once I switch positions I'll probably be working 8am to 8pm, or
8pm to 8am.

This means that I won't have as much time for the lists as I usually do,
although they are my first priority when I log on.

I'll probably be a bit more quiet on non-Admin/GridSec matters, because the
time I spent online will have to be spent more towards web design and the
suchlike.

On thr bright side, I'll have a bit of money for some more books real soon
now.. :-)

-Adam J
Who is rather sore at the moment..



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