From:	Donald Arganbright <jayden63@*******.COM>
Subject:	Re: Expansion protocol
Date:	Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:28:38 PST

Hoi,

>> Hi,
>>
>> Just a suggestion, I keep seeing these interesting Vampire ideas
>>drift by -- and I like them, but I'm not saving them. I am a >>little
worried that nobody is... Maybe we could have a designated >>person to
collect and balance and bundle ideas related to a >>particular topic.
The Amerindian set is a great example. So if >>nobody is preparing a
"release" for these ideas, please do!
>>Let's get somebody to package them up for the Vampires, and maybe
>>the Magic stuff I suggested...
>>
>> Have a better one,
>> Chad
> [Teos Abadia writes]

>Well,
>
>My feeling is that the Vampire idea was Donald's and it is up to him
>to like or not like our comments. He can decide if he wants to
>release a real "net expansion." Of course, there is no "council on
>net expansions". At some point the list needs to decide how much it
>likes the idea of releasing net expansions on a certain schedule.
>This means some of us need to volunteer to discuss these issues
>(when to release, how many, how are cards approved). Obviously, >such
discussion is important. Otherwise, we will be inundated by >cards and
everyone will be confused as to which cards are being used >by other
people on the list.

My idea... gosh... I'm just blushing all over... Anyway... I would
recomend that anyone who has ever created any card idea, write it down
in a nice list. This is usefull for the creator, in multipul ways...
first it gives you a base to work from and not memory (mine sucks at
times), second it lets you look on how your ideas evolve, and lastly it
gives you a record of what you have done, something that might prove
usefull someday (or just take up hard disk space... but oh well). I
currently have a very long word document with every card that I have
thought of... unaltered. Now some of those cards are just wronge and
need revision, but at least I have the base for everything. I do agree
that before any net expansion can be accepted it needs to run through a
testing stage to work out anything that has been overlooked. This could
be a small committy of volunteers or just throw the cards onto the list
and see what people have to say about them.

>The other thing I think is important is for us to establish some
>intra-list competition. One possibility is to use a play-by-MIRC or
>ICQ schedule. We could decide on a way to hold some competitions.
>For this to be cheat-proof, we would need one intermediary: Each
>player e-mails their decks to the intermediary. The intermediary
>needs to own all the cards. This person recreates a deck, and
>shuffles the cards, then writes the order down. This is repeated for
>all players. Then everyone goes online. The intermediary tells >you,
as your turn comes up, what card(s) you draw. The players >choose what
cards to play and what moves to make. We could then post >how many
victories everyone has.

While this is a good idea... I personally wouldn't want to be the middle
guy. It seems like alot of work with little reward. I personally
wouldn't really care if the other guy cheated in his card draw or not,
because 1 - there is nothing at stake of mine to loose. 2 - If the other
guy feels that he needs to cheat, they will find someway to do it. 3 -
not being able to see the physcial decks... someone could just send the
middle guy a list that has 4 ice queens 4 sticky fingers and 4 the big
chase, when they really don't own any of them... 4 - what if both the
players play the same type of deck... the middle guy would need 8 copies
of some cards just to do as you suggested. That is just a few
problems... I do like the idea of playing over IRC (all though I
personally have never done so), but we would just have to ask everyone
to be honest... And if someone cheats, its really their loss.
>
>This intra-list competition would be a good way to keep us playing >and
to promote the net card expansions. I use ICQ and MIRC for >playing
games with my friends, and the interface works ok.

Having never done so... how does one go about doing it... The layout I
mean... you have your cards infront of you, and what do you do about the
other guys?

>Keep the ideas coming,
>
>Teos.
>


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Donald Arganbright


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