| From: | Donald Arganbright <jayden63@*******.COM> |
|---|---|
| Subject: | Re: Evil things... Challenges |
| Date: | Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:11:52 PST |
>
>> Name - Astral Disruption Field
>> Name - Customs Check
>> Name - Dawn
>> Name - Electrical Storm
>
>These are, honestly, just hose-a-particular-deck Challenges; like
>Anti-Astral Barrier or SecRigger, they're not likely to see much >use.
>
>The problem with hosers is that if the deck type they hose isn't
>particularly strong to begin with, there's no reason to use the >hoser;
if they're too strong (as the Vampires are in danger of >becoming)
there's no reason _not_ to use that particular card, and >so you've just
created a must-have.
You have a point, but I really don't think that Custom Check. The only
decks that don't use guns of some sort are mage, decker, rigger
decks.... every thing else has guns or a katana or two. Also I am sort
of limited to my experance in what types of decks are out there... while
I have made every type of deck imaginable I only have 4-6 people to play
against and the types of decks they create and the stratiges that they
use.. So in my personal experance challenges like Customs check would
be a blessing. And others like Hunting Gargoyle are pointless. It is
unfortunate that I don't have a broader understanding of playing styles
and actually see other types of stratieges in use. Most play the
typical frontal assault... and fight through everything decks...) This
lack of exposure (I admit) does limit my perception on what type of
runners and challenges that I would create and could see used.
>Most of these could probably (maybe) be fitted with a secondary
>benefit that makes sense, although (to be both blunt and honest) I'd
>rather see a Challenge that weighs in evenly against all comers,
>rather than _really_ slamming some and lightly touching others.
Those cards already exist... security mage, guardian earth and fire
elementals, hunting gargoyles, corps lights are nothing for a
mage/shaman deck... Minefields, booby traps, streetscum, ambush,
gutcheck are nothing against merc or samurai decks... all decks have
some challenges that they just blow through... Just because that type
of runner typically has the skills needed to sleaze/assist or gear
needed handle it. Its hard to find a challenge that is universally bad
against all types of decks.
>> Name - Blocked Passage
>> Type - Barrier
>> Threat - None
>> Sleaze - Demolitions 1
>> Text - Shadowrunning team pulls out. Trash after revealed.
>
>Mmm, fair, but (given that a lot of decks already include Dem-1 to
>stop Booby Traps), not a real big deal. Hellish Traffic is still
>harder.
It originally had the added line when Blocked Passage is sleazed the
alarm is triggered. (has to do with blowing out the blockage and
creating alot of noise... but I couldn't see to word it without causing
major confusion)
>> Name - Corrosive Spirit
>> Type - Unique
>> Threat - 6/6
>> Sleaze - Sorcery 2 or Conjure 2
>> Text - Owner of Corrosive Spirit may do any of the following.
>>Loose 5 reputation to make it unsleazable. Loose 5 reputation to
>>trash any gear card present before combat (this action may be done
>>more than once.) Loose 10 reputation to have it do its damage first
>>in combat.
>
>> Name - Toxic Elemental
>> Type - Unique
>> Threat - 9/3
>> Sleaze - Sorcery 2 or Conjure 2
>> Text - Owner of Toxic Elemental may do any of the following. >>Loose
5 reputation to make it unsleazeable. Loose 10 reputation to >>make
damage armor piercing. Loose 20 reputation to return Toxic >>Elemental
to your hand if it is trashed.
>
>These are both alright, but Rep is just far too nice to have to lose
>that much of it. (Lose 20 Rep to return Toxie to my hand? When I >can
spend 5Y and bribe a Squatter?)
>
>I'd streamline Toxie, make the costs 5/5/10 (just like the Corrosive
>Spirit), although I'd suggest something more like "Lose 5 Reputation
>and frag a card from your hand to return Toxic Elemental to your >hand"
(leaving it at that: open enough that you can scoop it back up >if
you're forced to face your own Toxie).
>Similar, Corrosive Spirit ought to be _bad_ to use, and damaging to the
deck; I could probably see the costs being re-arranged to
>0-Rep,-frag-top-card-of-drawpile-or-trash-pile,
>5-Rep,-frag-card-in-your-hand,
>5-Rep-frag-card-in-play-or-10-Rep-and-'free'. Thre Threat Ratings
>should both be comparable to a Greater Elementals, although _another_
>possibility is to make the Threat Rating dependent on the owner's
>(negative) Reputation.
I was trying to avoid it looking too much like the Greater Elementals
with just some cosmetic changes... I'll look into it.
>> Name - Insect Swarm
>> Type - Outdoor
>> Threat - 10/2
>> Sleaze - Sorcery 2
>> Text - Damage from insect swarm must be divided as evenly as
>>possible among all runners present. Before armor is taken into
>>account.
>This is okay, but I really can't imagine any insect swarm taking out >a
bunch of Runners like that. (Yeah, yeah; Insect Spirits. I get >it.)
Another possibility might be to force the damage to be split as >evenly
as possible, with no more than 3 damage being assigned to a >single
Runner.
I have personally seen swarms of insects and the damage they can inflict
to crops and animals alike... it is not a pretty sight. In a runnning
group of 5 runners thats 2 damage apiece... with 4 runners thats two
with 2 and 2 with 3 damage. It only really hurts with two or 1 runners
present. Although I could add in the limit of 3 damage.
>> Name - Naga Guard
>> Type - Awakened
>> Threat - 5/5 (A1)
>> Sleaze - Sorcery 1, Stealth 2
>> Text - Owner of Naga guard may trash any number of gear/spell or
>> gear/spirit cards from his hand to give Naga Guard a +2/+1 bonus
>>until end of combat.
>(...Naga got Cyberware? Cyberware _and_ Spells_? Cyberware, Spells,
>_and_ it drives a Big Rig?)
I don't quite get it... (its morning though and I haven't had my coke
yet.) I used the trash spells thingy to reflect nagas natural magical
powers... which are hard to represent in the challenge itself.
>> Name - Sacrificial Lamb
>> Type - Miscellaneous
>> Threat - None
>> Sleaze - Sorcery 3 or Gunnery 2
>> Text - Trash 1 runner present and trash challenge. Or entire
>> shadowrunning team pulls out, and turn over Sacrificial Lamb.
>> Picture - Small running team hugely outnumbered and cornered. >>All
looking at some poor twonk to send out to the masses.
>
>Random Runner? Target Runner? (And why those particular skills to
>sleaze?)
It would be target runner... one that the shadowrunning team chooses...
I chose the sleaze reqirements as a representation of the type of raw
power with heavy guns or magic that would frighten away a large group of
people... and to my knowledge... gunnery is not a common sleaze
requirement for challenges... so I thought it would be cool. Shurg...
hard to say really.
>- Matt
Thanks for your comments Matt :)
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