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Message no. 1
From: Guy Sie guy.sie@*****.a2000.nl
Subject: My story outline
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 01:28:56 +0200
Bah, vacations suck. Well, actually, they rule, but not being able to
mail for a week severely restricts your communication abilities :).

After a few private e-mail replies to my original 'can I join' question,
the answer was pretty much 'Think of something and post to the list,
then see what happens'. I had a vacation to think about it, so I figure
I might as well post the outline here. Feel free to flame, criticise
and be blunt, it'll never get through my thick skull otherwise.

The story happens shortly after the arcology shuts down, in such a time
that the truth behind the arcology isn't widespread knowledge yet (its a
rough outline, so no dates for you :)).

The main character is a human kid (12? 15? something along that age),
a ganger, who runs afoul of another gang while near the infamous
off-ramp with the crushed Rolls. As he runs away from them he comes
upon a 'dead end', and scrambles into a maintenance service tunnel for
the off-ramp. As he runs out, he finds himself on top of the deserted
off-ramp, with speeding cars on one end and the arcology on the other.
As he hears the gangers coming up behind him, he decides to make a run
for the arcology. Running straight toward a minefield, a sudden voice
in his mind saying something cliche like "Danger!" stops him cold in his
tracks. He goes around the 'bad' spot, and starts running again when he
hears the gangers behind him shouting and running after him. The same
voice tells him to turn around, and watch, and... play.
The first few gangers, not having the same kind of guardian voice, run
into the mindfield and explode. A kind of strange, sick feeling of
satisfaction comes over him, and then survival instinct grabs him again
and he makes a run for the tiny hole next to the crushed car.
Ofcourse, running headfirst into the Renraku Arcology was not one of the
best choices he could've made at the time.

After getting lost in the arcology (you get hunted by a bunch of those
constructs, run away, and try to find your way back :P) his actions
within the arcology (undefined as yet) reveal that he's one of Cat's
chosen, a shaman 'in development'. He doesn't know it himself, it
just... happens (memo: Include really significant dreamy totemsearching
scene when kid blacks out) (Yes, I know this isn't entirely in line with
SR rules, but c'mon... neither were most of the official novels). Deus
figures this out too, and takes a sharp interest in him (this is an
assumption i'm making. Deus likes children. Deus likes experimenting
on 'special' subjects. Well, here's one who'se both) making his
survival even more hectic, until he's 'rescued' by a resistance group.
They explain most of what they know to him, and one of the members
explains at least basically what the whole Cat thing is about, giving
him a bit more to work with... he runs with the resistance group (with
Deus sending blues and greens after him), until he gets knocked out in a
spectacular final scene where he saves the rest of the group by
sacrificing himself (blahblah yackity yack). Net result? Resistance
group survives, but Deus has the kid.

This is kinda where my thoughts split. I've loved braided novel type
affairs, and I also love surprise plots where the good guy main
characters unexpectedly turns into a bad guy. I see excellent "Oh my
god I cant believe he just did that" material in having the kid be
rescued in another story (maybe by the same resistance group that found
him in the first place), only to have him turn on them as one of Deus'
chameleons. If well executed, I believe few are going to see that one
coming. Ofcourse, this would take the cooperation of somebody else and
his story, and I can't expect anybody to really jump for that particular
idea :). My other idea is that the story simply continues but takes a
sudden turn, as the kid is turned to Deus' cause (whatever it may be)
and starts burning down resistance members... I don't really have any
ending in mind for that, to be honest.

Well, there you have it. Its a pretty flimsy excuse for a story, but
its all my brains could cope with in the 40 degree (celcius) heat.
Flame away.

Aco
Message no. 2
From: Scott Wheelock iscottw@*****.nb.ca
Subject: My story outline
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 00:58:10 -0300
"And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to Guy Sie."
] The story happens shortly after the arcology shuts down, in such a time
] that the truth behind the arcology isn't widespread knowledge yet (its a
] rough outline, so no dates for you :)).

<snip!>

This sounds long! I dunno how much leeway we have in terms of
length, but this could be quite a long tale...other than that though,
it sounds really interesting! I say go for it (though one of the
requirements is that you forward the progress of at least one team
inside the Arc. You'll have to work that in somehow).

-Murder of One
Message no. 3
From: Guy Sie guy.sie@*****.a2000.nl
Subject: My story outline
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 10:35:26 +0200
Scott Wheelock wrote:
> This sounds long! I dunno how much leeway we have in terms of
> length, but this could be quite a long tale...

Hmmmm.... I forgot to think about possible size requirements :) (too
used to the luxury of being a fanfic writer?). Ahwell, wont be the
first time I've sliced into my own stories like it was a bad horror
flick. I'll work on it.

> other than that though,
> it sounds really interesting! I say go for it (though one of the
> requirements is that you forward the progress of at least one team
> inside the Arc. You'll have to work that in somehow).

Would that be team as in, one of the original teams described in the
sourcebook (ie resistance, Renraku, Deus, etc?), or one of the teams
from another list story in it? If the latter, I'd need a bit more
information about other people's stories than I currently have, even
after collecting list mail for the past few weeks. If the former, the
kid is in the resistance at first, and ends up in Deus' hands at the
end, so I see some possibilities there... if only in describing their
actions from his POV (without taking an active (disturbing?) role in the
'general plot' himself).

Aco
Message no. 4
From: CEvans9159@***.com CEvans9159@***.com
Subject: My story outline
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 04:40:50 EDT
In a message dated 7/17/99 1:35:54 AM, guy.sie@*****.a2000.nl writes:

>Would that be team as in, one of the original teams described in the
>sourcebook (ie resistance, Renraku, Deus, etc?), or one of the teams
>from another list story in it? If the latter, I'd need a bit more
>information about other people's stories than I currently have, even
>after collecting list mail for the past few weeks. If the former, the
>kid is in the resistance at first, and ends up in Deus' hands at the
>end, so I see some possibilities there... if only in describing their
>actions from his POV (without taking an active (disturbing?) role in the
>'general plot' himself).

If you go to jackpoint.org, you can check the backlogs of this list and fiind
out the details of our little project...or just wait a few days and Strago or
Doc will fill you in.

Essentially there are three teams that are going into the Arc.
1) Renraku team trying to find Dr. Cliber. They find team #2 and
attempt to hose them.
2) UCAS Strike Team also trying to find Dr. Cliber. If I remember,
they do find her or something.
3) Shadowrunner team searching for the relative of one of their
Fixers...they meet up with the Resistance.

Tay-Dor
(Who is writing about a mundane troll ganger trapped in the arc when
it shut down)
Message no. 5
From: Scott Wheelock iscottw@*****.nb.ca
Subject: My story outline
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 11:18:05 -0300
"And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to CEvans9159@***.com."
] Essentially there are three teams that are going into the Arc.
] 1) Renraku team trying to find Dr. Cliber. They find team #2 and
] attempt to hose them.
] 2) UCAS Strike Team also trying to find Dr. Cliber. If I remember,
] they do find her or something.
] 3) Shadowrunner team searching for the relative of one of their
] Fixers...they meet up with the Resistance.

Actually, the fixer is the character in my story, yes he has a
relative in the Arc, but the shadow team is going after someone else,
and they refuse to go after his father. Who the shadow team is after
is someone elses decision (I forget who. Whoever it is, get back to me
with characters sometime soon, please :)

-Murder of One
Message no. 6
From: Strago strago@***.com
Subject: My story outline
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 12:52:44 -0400
CEvans9159@***.com wrote:

> In a message dated 7/17/99 1:35:54 AM, guy.sie@*****.a2000.nl writes:
>
> >Would that be team as in, one of the original teams described in the
> >sourcebook (ie resistance, Renraku, Deus, etc?), or one of the teams
> >from another list story in it? If the latter, I'd need a bit more
> >information about other people's stories than I currently have, even
> >after collecting list mail for the past few weeks. If the former, the
> >kid is in the resistance at first, and ends up in Deus' hands at the
> >end, so I see some possibilities there... if only in describing their
> >actions from his POV (without taking an active (disturbing?) role in the
> >'general plot' himself).
>
> If you go to jackpoint.org, you can check the backlogs of this list and fiind
> out the details of our little project...or just wait a few days and Strago or
> Doc will fill you in.
>

As one of the duly anointed, I shall endeavor to correct you. Of course, all
this is just IIRC. Doc' may have changed something without telling me. ;^)

> Essentially there are three teams that are going into the Arc.
> 1) Renraku team trying to find Dr. Cliber. They find team #2 and
> attempt to hose them.
> 2) UCAS Strike Team also trying to find Dr. Cliber. If I remember,
> they do find her or something.
> 3) Shadowrunner team searching for the relative of one of their
> Fixers...they meet up with the Resistance.
>

OK. UCAS finds Dr. Cliber. Renraku finds UCAS. Renraku hoses UCAS, nabbs Cliber.
Renraku loses Cliber. The Shadowrunners find the relative, and they get out
happy. I'm dealing with the UCAS Team immediately after Renraku hoses them. I
don't know yet how far I'm going to take them.

> Tay-Dor
> (Who is writing about a mundane troll ganger trapped in the arc when
> it shut down)



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Message no. 7
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: My story outline
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 22:58:01 -0400 (EDT)
Wow, finally got through about 500 items of mail and I can answer this.

> As one of the duly anointed, I shall endeavor to correct you. Of
course, all this is just IIRC. Doc' may have changed something without
telling me. ;^)

*lol* No, no major changes lately.

> OK. UCAS finds Dr. Cliber.

Yes. The UCAS military has gotten in contact with Cliber and made a
deal to get her out in exchange for info on Deus and help in shutting
Deus down.

> Renraku finds UCAS. Renraku hoses UCAS, nabbs Cliber.

Again, yes. Cliber, being a mercenary type, doesn't care who gets her
out as long as she gets out, so she's also been in touch with her
bosses in Renraku. Whoever gets to her first she'll go with. In this
case, the UCAS gets there first. Renraku is prepared for this, though,
and ambush the UCAS team, wiping some of them out and grabbing Cliber.
The UCAS team then bumps into some of Deus' troops and is further
mauled, before being rescued by a Resistance cell.

> Renraku loses Cliber.

Not exactly. Renraku will actually hold onto Cliber, but has problems
getting out. In the final story, the intention is that the UCAS team
has gotten some help, in the form of a Resistance Cell or two. They
ambush the Renraku team. Then Deus comes to the party. There is a
dust-up and when the smoke clears, all parties involved are forced to
retreat, leaving Cliber in the tender care of Deus. Deus lets her go,
however.

For those of you who've read RA:S (which should be all of you by now,
hopefully), you've seen the section where Devon Eurich comes face to
face with Deus. I was thinking of having Deus' motivations working
along the same lines there. Cliber is one of his creators - his mother,
if you will, and he's more interested in playing with her than dealing
with her permanently, so he releases her - or just leaves her alone or
something.

Little of the above is set it stone. The only thing that MUST happen is
that BOTH teams must lose custody of Cliber. She will NOT be getting
out of the arc - at this time, at least.

> The Shadowrunners find the relative, and they get out happy.

In all likelihood. It's actually a relative of one of the runners, as
Scott (Murder of One) pointed out.

> I'm dealing with the UCAS Team immediately after Renraku hoses them.

For a short bit. Most of Strago's story (if it ends up how he last said
it will) will take place near the end of the book (it'll probably be
the second last story).

> I don't know yet how far I'm going to take them.

Well, I can answer that one. Again, if Strago goes with what he last
told me, he'll be taking the team from their initial crunching to just
before they ambush the Renraku team. He'll actually be glossing over a
lot of the trip and that's where your story could get involved. I say
"your story" with qualifications which I'll mention in a later post.

Anyway, the point is that those are the three core stories. They'll be
introduced at the start, be carried through by events in other stories
and be resolved at the end. All the other stories must advance one or
more of these three stories at some point, either by becoming involved
with them or witnessing the effects of them or in some other way. For
instance, Strago's story will be centred on a Resistance Cell, but both
the UCAS and shadow teams will be a large part of them, so he'll be
advancing their stories. On the other hand, if a previous story had a
team on level 200 and your story mentions seeing them on level 180,
you've advanced them by having them move on towards their goal.

You follow?
==Doc'
(aka Mr. Freaky Big, Super-Dynamic Troll of Tomorrow)

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Message no. 8
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: My story outline
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 22:59:27 -0400 (EDT)
> Actually, the fixer is the character in my story, yes he has a
relative in the Arc, but the shadow team is going after someone else,
and they refuse to go after his father. Who the shadow team is after
is someone elses decision (I forget who. Whoever it is, get back to me
with characters sometime soon, please :)
>
> -Murder of One

Yes, please, GW.

How are you going with the shadow team? I haven't heard anything from
you for a while. And Scott needs them rather urgently.
==Doc'
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Message no. 9
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: My story outline
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 23:58:13 -0400 (EDT)
<BigSNIP(TM)>
> Well, there you have it. Its a pretty flimsy excuse for a story, but
its all my brains could cope with in the 40 degree (celcius) heat.
Flame away.
>
> Aco

Huge snip, in fact.

Basically, as it is, I'm going to have to veto that one for a few
reasons. Firstly, it'd be MUCH to big in order to develop everything
you wanted to. You really shouldn't be going much over 8,000 words.
Secondly, timing is way off - the majority of the stories are going to
be taking place shortly after Corporate Download (which is set some
time in 2061, IIRC) - over a year after the arc shutdown. One (possibly
two) of the stories will BEGIN before this, but most of the events
between their beginnings and current time will be glossed over. You
can't do that with your story. Thirdly, the developing character story
would take away from the core threads of the book too much.

While it's certainly an interesting story, I think it'd be more suited
to a novel than a short story.

Now there are a few things you can do. You can adapt the idea so we
don't have these problems. You can talk to me if you don't want to
adapt it and don't have any other ideas (I have a list of ideas that no
one has taken yet).

Or my favourite. :) Iridios has had to leave the project due to lack of
time. However, he had a very interesting idea that I'd like someone to
write, but I haven't had any takers yet. Basically, it was about a
couple of newsies who were stuck inside the arc. They've been recording
footage for ages now, sometimes getting shadowrunners to smuggle it
out. They're trying to survive and get the story of a lifetime. Of
course, things don't always work out that way...

Anyway, if you're interested in that one, or in any of the other
solutions I suggested, let me know and I'll see what can be done.
==Doc'
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Message no. 10
From: CEvans9159@***.com CEvans9159@***.com
Subject: My story outline
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 05:58:10 EDT
In a message dated 7/20/99 8:54:55 PM, docwagon101@*****.com writes:

>Basically, as it is, I'm going to have to veto that one for a few
>reasons. Firstly, it'd be MUCH to big in order to develop everything
>you wanted to. You really shouldn't be going much over 8,000 words.
>Secondly, timing is way off - the majority of the stories are going to
>be taking place shortly after Corporate Download (which is set some
>time in 2061, IIRC) - over a year after the arc shutdown. One (possibly
>two) of the stories will BEGIN before this, but most of the events
>between their beginnings and current time will be glossed over. You
>can't do that with your story. Thirdly, the developing character story
>would take away from the core threads of the book too much.

Sounds like my story...which starts the day of the shut down.
fortunately, I *am* planning to have huge gaps of time in the "diary". Most
of the days his entry would consist of, "Found food. avoided construct.
Still alive." :)

Tay-Dor
"hmm...i should prolly get back to writting the story then..."
Message no. 11
From: Guy Sie guy.sie@*****.a2000.nl
Subject: My story outline
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:08:19 +0200
Rand Ratinac wrote:
> Basically, as it is, I'm going to have to veto that one for a few
> reasons. Firstly, it'd be MUCH to big in order to develop everything
<snip>

I pretty much expected that one coming :). Main problem was that I had
no actual timeframe to place the story in, no background knowledge of
what was wanted, and no actual knowledge of the other stories, which
meant I had to bluff my way through most of those :). I feel better now
that the last few posts have actually told me what I need to know.

> be taking place shortly after Corporate Download (which is set some
> time in 2061, IIRC) - over a year after the arc shutdown. One (possibly

Is Corporate Download a required read (ie does it have any more info on
the Arcology shutdown)? I have RA:S but not CD... And with my last
rush of novel-buying (catched up on another 6... finally read Dragon
Heart tril.. still have 5 to go), I don't have the bucks for it :)

> Now there are a few things you can do. You can adapt the idea so we
> don't have these problems. You can talk to me if you don't want to
> adapt it and don't have any other ideas (I have a list of ideas that no
> one has taken yet).

To be honest... I don't quite see that much adaptability in it. It
kinda relies on itself too much. So I've scragged it down my priority
list onto the "When I have time" list, and I'll take anything else :).

> Or my favourite. :) Iridios has had to leave the project due to lack of
> time. However, he had a very interesting idea that I'd like someone to
> write, but I haven't had any takers yet. Basically, it was about a
> couple of newsies who were stuck inside the arc. They've been recording
> footage for ages now, sometimes getting shadowrunners to smuggle it
> out. They're trying to survive and get the story of a lifetime. Of
> course, things don't always work out that way...

Heh. My first story idea had been similar, but I had wiped that one
because it was too simple (as in, its basically a run from the book) and
should have been taken by someone allready :) (and it was, as you can
see). I like SR-style newsies, they stick their heads in stupidly
dangerous places just to get more money (or the truth. Sometimes both).

> Anyway, if you're interested in that one, or in any of the other
> solutions I suggested, let me know and I'll see what can be done.

Well, then consider me interested in above :).

Aco
Message no. 12
From: Guy Sie guy.sie@*****.a2000.nl
Subject: My story outline
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:08:45 +0200
Rand Ratinac wrote:
> > The Shadowrunners find the relative, and they get out happy.
> In all likelihood. It's actually a relative of one of the runners, as
> Scott (Murder of One) pointed out.

While I see the connection between the UCAS/Renraku main plots and the
Resistance thrown in, the runners seem to be having a milk run and dont
meet up with any of the others... Or have I read it wrong?

Aco
Message no. 13
From: CEvans9159@***.com CEvans9159@***.com
Subject: My story outline
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:39:06 EDT
In a message dated 7/21/99 4:10:28 AM, guy.sie@*****.a2000.nl writes:

>the runners seem to be having a milk run and dont
>meet up with any of the others.

I don't know if I'd call any incursion into the Arcology a "milk run."
Actually, if I recall, they will meet the resistance team also? The
"relative" happens to be located in one of the Zombie rooms.

Tay-Dor
"Milk run. Now that's a good one."
Message no. 14
From: Scott Wheelock iscottw@*****.nb.ca
Subject: My story outline
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 20:06:23 -0300
"And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to CEvans9159@***.com."
] >the runners seem to be having a milk run and dont
] >meet up with any of the others.
]
] I don't know if I'd call any incursion into the Arcology a "milk run."
] Actually, if I recall, they will meet the resistance team also? The
] "relative" happens to be located in one of the Zombie rooms.

And, though we haven't figured out how, the shadow team _does_ lose a
couple members.

-Murder of One
Message no. 15
From: Guy Sie guy.sie@*****.a2000.nl
Subject: My story outline
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 01:13:38 +0200
Scott Wheelock wrote:
> ] >the runners seem to be having a milk run and dont
> ] I don't know if I'd call any incursion into the Arcology a "milk run."
> And, though we haven't figured out how, the shadow team _does_ lose a
> couple members.

Okay, just wanted to see if I really got that point right or if I was
missing something. I seemed so out of place to have the whole
Renraku/UCAS frag-up going on as what looked like the 'main plot', and
the shadowrunners not having anything to do with them...

Aco
Message no. 16
From: Aaron Binns sparrow@***.net.au
Subject: My story outline
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:04:20 +1000
> > Actually, the fixer is the character in my story, yes he has a
> relative in the Arc, but the shadow team is going after someone else,
> and they refuse to go after his father. Who the shadow team is after
> is someone elses decision (I forget who. Whoever it is, get back to me
> with characters sometime soon, please :)
> >
> > -Murder of One
>
> Yes, please, GW.
>
> How are you going with the shadow team? I haven't heard anything from
> you for a while. And Scott needs them rather urgently.
> ==> Doc'

First, Apologies...

Second, For the record:

1. Ive been organising and firming up and getting a new job.
2. Ive been ill.
3. Ive been getting my ram chips fixed - makes it hard to use the computer
with bad ram chips.. or at least for anything requiring over 8mb ram to run
(this includes MS-word).

For the above reasons I might be tempted to say that Ive been unable to do
much on the shadow team recently.

I wont say that. I think its too obvious already.

I will say, however, that Im back to it, and I'll have something this
afternoon or tomorrow morning, (EST-AU).

At the least, a roster of the team for Scott...

GreyWolf

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Seemed an appropriate comment to add in the .sig except that I wasnt a
mistake... :)

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Message no. 17
From: Aaron Binns sparrow@***.net.au
Subject: My story outline
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:11:58 +1000
> "And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to CEvans9159@***.com."
> ] >the runners seem to be having a milk run and dont
> ] >meet up with any of the others.
> ]
> ] I don't know if I'd call any incursion into the Arcology a "milk run."
> ] Actually, if I recall, they will meet the resistance team also? The
> ] "relative" happens to be located in one of the Zombie rooms.
>
> And, though we haven't figured out how, the shadow team _does_ lose a
> couple members.
>
> -Murder of One

Ok.. the shadow team storyline is in question here.. and I know where it
goes too :) Seeing as I wrote it...

the shadow team meet the resistance first on floors 123-130. Their 'target'
if you will, is on floor 241 - she is a survivor of one of deus' maze floors
(and possibly experimentation too...).

The shadow team is planned to have only lost one member the entire run.. or
possibly two.

the first is the rigger.. the plan for this is for deus to take over the
commend frequencies and turn the drones against the team - killing the
rigger in the process.

the second is only a possability - a deathstrike by the mage (not the
shaman, note) right at the end while getting back to the ork underground.
This will be left up to the writer of that final scene, whoever that is, to
decide if it gets included.

Ill finish writing up the story propperly for posting someday... :) <j/k>

GreyWolf
Message no. 18
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: My story outline
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 22:53:07 -0400 (EDT)
> Sounds like my story...which starts the day of the shut down.
fortunately, I *am* planning to have huge gaps of time in the "diary".
Most of the days his entry would consist of, "Found food. avoided
construct. Still alive." :)
>
> Tay-Dor
> "hmm...i should prolly get back to writting the
> story then..."

That's the one. And it's the ONLY one that'll be starting that early,
except possibly for a bit of an intro in the media plot. Almost all the
action will be happening in the space of a day or two, from when the
UCAS enters the arc (it's the first one in), to when the shadow team
(and possibly the survivors of the other two get out).

I don't know the exact date we'll set it, but we'll figure that out
later. It's not so important right now.
==Doc'
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Message no. 19
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: My story outline
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:29:34 -0400 (EDT)
As always, some corrections...:)

> Ok.. the shadow team storyline is in question here.. and I know where
it goes too :) Seeing as I wrote it...
>
> the shadow team meet the resistance first on floors 123-130. Their
'target' if you will, is on floor 241 - she is a survivor of one of
deus' maze floors (and possibly experimentation too...).

The floors may differ to those posted here. Actual floor references,
unless they MUST take place on a certain floor, are subject to change
while we're putting everything together.

> The shadow team is planned to have only lost one member the entire
run.. or possibly two.

Which is the point - both the Renraku and UCAS teams "think within the
box" as it were, and get pretty badly scragged by the end. The shadow
team is less conventional and performs better.

> the first is the rigger.. the plan for this is for deus to take over
the commend frequencies and turn the drones against the team - killing
the rigger in the process.

Is that how you wanted to do it? Interesting...
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Message no. 20
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: My story outline
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:34:04 -0400 (EDT)
> > ] >the runners seem to be having a milk run and
> dont
> > ] I don't know if I'd call any incursion into the
> Arcology a "milk run."
> > And, though we haven't figured out how, the
> shadow team _does_ lose a
> > couple members.
>
> Okay, just wanted to see if I really got that point right or if I was
missing something. I seemed so out of place to have the whole
Renraku/UCAS frag-up going on as what looked like the 'main plot', and
the shadowrunners not having anything to do with them...
>
> Aco

That's not it exactly. These are the three main threads. Because
Renraku and the UCAS are after the same thing, they come into conflict
early on. All these plots will be woven together at the end, although
they may bump and collide earlier on. For example, the shadow team and
the UCAS team will assist each other in Strago's story (the second
last, unless things change). In words, it looks like the shadow team is
a bit of an aside. That'll change in execution as a lot of stories will
focus or include them, same as with the other teams. The only
difference is that they won't be running into the other teams so soon.

Does that explain it better?

Oh, and it certainly won't be a milk run. EVERYONE'S going to have
difficulties. It's just that some people will handle it better.
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Message no. 21
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: My story outline
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:39:02 -0400 (EDT)
> I pretty much expected that one coming :). Main problem was that I
had no actual timeframe to place the story in, no background knowledge
of what was wanted, and no actual knowledge of the other stories, which
meant I had to bluff my way through most of those :). I feel better
now that the last few posts have actually told me what I need to know.

I apologise for that - I only realised how little you had to work with
after I saw what you'd thought of.

> Is Corporate Download a required read (ie does it have any more info
on the Arcology shutdown)? I have RA:S but not CD... And with my last
rush of novel-buying (catched up on another 6... finally read Dragon
Heart tril.. still have 5 to go), I don't have the bucks for it :)

Not a required read, although it does have a rather interesting impact
on the project. Once I get it and read it all, I'll let everyone know
if there's anything beyond what's already common knowledge which will
impact us.

Basically, the Red Samurai have managed to take over the 5 floors
closest to the ground.

> To be honest... I don't quite see that much adaptability in it. It
kinda relies on itself too much. So I've scragged it down my priority
list onto the "When I have time" list, and I'll take anything else :).

Which is why I wanted you to adapt it - I couldn't see how we'd manage
it. :)

> Heh. My first story idea had been similar, but I had wiped that one
because it was too simple (as in, its basically a run from the book)
and should have been taken by someone allready :) (and it was, as you
can see). I like SR-style newsies, they stick their heads in stupidly
dangerous places just to get more money (or the truth. Sometimes
both).
>
> Well, then consider me interested in above :).

Aco (Guy?), I'll send you the details Iridios sent to me in a private
post. He said he'd done up one of the characters, but I haven't
received her yet. In any event, you can make your own characters if you
choose. Any questions, any suggestions, any changes, just let me know.
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Message no. 22
From: Scott Wheelock iscottw@*****.nb.ca
Subject: My story outline
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 03:00:01 -0300
"And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to Aaron Binns."
] 1. Ive been organising and firming up and getting a new job.
] 2. Ive been ill.
] 3. Ive been getting my ram chips fixed - makes it hard to use the computer
] with bad ram chips.. or at least for anything requiring over 8mb ram to run
] (this includes MS-word).

I sympathize...just let us know, and we'll cut you some slack
(although I'd hate to have people drop out at this point, as I'm sure
everyone would).

] I will say, however, that Im back to it, and I'll have something this
] afternoon or tomorrow morning, (EST-AU).
]
] At the least, a roster of the team for Scott...

Heck, just a personality sketch of one runner would do. Not the team
leader though...a friend of the leader, perhaps. If it would be
easier, I can make up the character, and give him to you for use in the
shadow team :)

-Murder of One
Message no. 23
From: CEvans9159@***.com CEvans9159@***.com
Subject: My story outline
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 05:57:54 EDT
In a message dated 7/21/99 4:07:12 PM, iscottw@*****.nb.ca writes:

>
> And, though we haven't figured out how, the shadow team _does_ lose a
>couple members.


I can kill one of two off. My story is leading them through the
Labyrinth. Muhuhuhuhahahaha...

Tay-Dor
Message no. 24
From: CEvans9159@***.com CEvans9159@***.com
Subject: My story outline
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 05:59:54 EDT
In a message dated 7/21/99 4:15:50 PM, guy.sie@*****.a2000.nl writes:

>Okay, just wanted to see if I really got that point right or if I was
>missing something. I seemed so out of place to have the whole
>Renraku/UCAS frag-up going on as what looked like the 'main plot', and
>the shadowrunners not having anything to do with them...

I think the idea we were going for is: The highly funded
corp/military trained teams with tons of intel fail while the
not-so-highly-funded street-type Shadowrunners without as much intel do what
the others couldn't. Survive and suceed.

Tay-Dor
Message no. 25
From: CEvans9159@***.com CEvans9159@***.com
Subject: My story outline
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 06:08:39 EDT
In a message dated 7/21/99 8:26:24 PM, docwagon101@*****.com writes:

>> the shadow team meet the resistance first on floors 123-130. Their
>'target' if you will, is on floor 241 - she is a survivor of one of
>deus' maze floors (and possibly experimentation too...).

hmmm...My story will cover the labyrinth and get them from 133 to
148. Now the concern I have is thus. What exactly do you see happening
between the Resistance and the Shadowteam? Major point of information is
that the character in my story will have had nothing to do with the
Resistance.
So any ideas about what will happen here?

Tay-Dor
Message no. 26
From: Aaron Binns sparrow@***.net.au
Subject: My story outline
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 23:17:01 +1000
> >> the shadow team meet the resistance first on floors 123-130. Their
> >'target' if you will, is on floor 241 - she is a survivor of one of
> >deus' maze floors (and possibly experimentation too...).
>
> hmmm...My story will cover the labyrinth and get them from 133 to
> 148. Now the concern I have is thus. What exactly do you see happening
> between the Resistance and the Shadowteam? Major point of information is
> that the character in my story will have had nothing to do with the
> Resistance.
> So any ideas about what will happen here?

Well thats mainly up to you. Im writing the story up to where thay are before
level 123... a few levels down I think... err dont ahve book handy so cant
say precicely.. but the first experementation room below lvl 123.

how they interact with the resistance is up to whoevert writes it.. the
storyline sketch isnt that detailed apart from the bit im writing and the
main "targets" in the story that i feel must be met for the runner team. this
includes running the labyrinth, meeting the resistance, finding the target,
escaping to the ork underground and a few others like running briefly into
the UCAS/RENRAKU team once theyve blown each other apart earlier on... :)

any help here would be appreciated to flesh out the storyline after my bit
ends.

On that note: Who other than Tay-Dor thinks they will do any of the writing
for the shadow team?

GreyWolf

> Tay-Dor
Message no. 27
From: Aaron Binns sparrow@***.net.au
Subject: My story outline
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 23:23:15 +1000
Scott Wheelock wrote:

> "And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to Aaron Binns."
> ] 1. Ive been organising and firming up and getting a new job.
> ] 2. Ive been ill.
> ] 3. Ive been getting my ram chips fixed - makes it hard to use the computer
> ] with bad ram chips.. or at least for anything requiring over 8mb ram to run
> ] (this includes MS-word).
>
> I sympathize...just let us know, and we'll cut you some slack
> (although I'd hate to have people drop out at this point, as I'm sure
> everyone would).

Please cut slack :)

Other than that - No Im not dropping out :) I dont plan to, dont want to and thus
I Wont.. even if it means taking Rands computer away ("borrowing it") :)
<grin>
he he he :)
</grin>

> ] I will say, however, that Im back to it, and I'll have something this
> ] afternoon or tomorrow morning, (EST-AU).
> ]
> ] At the least, a roster of the team for Scott...
>
> Heck, just a personality sketch of one runner would do. Not the team
> leader though...a friend of the leader, perhaps. If it would be
> easier, I can make up the character, and give him to you for use in the
> shadow team :)

Ok.. I have the very person.. :) You have a Native American Fixer right? Well the
character is a NA Wolf Shaman (unless anyone can think of a better totem?).

It will have to come tomorrow. I got caught up in the city this afternoon and
just got home from a very painful grand final sports game. We lost - only just -
but I also got faceplanted into (and along!) the astroturf (OUCH!) :)

my finger dont want to work propperly right now - nothing that wont heal
overnight - I hope :)

> -Murder of One

GreyWolf
Message no. 28
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: My story outline
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 20:52:42 -0400 (EDT)
> I think the idea we were going for is: The highly funded
corp/military trained teams with tons of intel fail while the
not-so-highly-funded street-type Shadowrunners without as much intel do
what the others couldn't. Survive and suceed.
>
> Tay-Dor

Pretty good summary.
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Message no. 29
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: My story outline
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 21:28:13 -0400 (EDT)
> > hmmm...My story will cover the labyrinth and get them from
133 to 148. Now the concern I have is thus. What exactly do you see
happening between the Resistance and the Shadowteam? Major point of
information is that the character in my story will have had nothing to
do with the Resistance.
> > So any ideas about what will happen here?
>
> Well thats mainly up to you. Im writing the story up to where thay
are before level 123... a few levels down I think... err dont ahve book
handy so cant say precicely.. but the first experementation room below
lvl 123.
>
> how they interact with the resistance is up to whoevert writes it..
the storyline sketch isnt that detailed apart from the bit im writing
and the main "targets" in the story that i feel must be met for the
runner team. this includes running the labyrinth, meeting the
resistance, finding the target, escaping to the ork underground and a
few others like running briefly into the UCAS/RENRAKU team once theyve
blown each other apart earlier on... :)
>
> any help here would be appreciated to flesh out the storyline after
my bit ends.

GW, do you intend to have the shadow team meet with the resistance in
your story, or afterwards? If not in yours, why do you think they need
to do so?

What I'd like to do is, if you feel they need to meet with the
resistance early on, have them meet a cell, talk, get info and such,
then go their own way again. That makes things easier for later on. In
which case when Tay-Dor's story begins, he'll only have to deal with
the shadow team, not a resistance cell as well.


> On that note: Who other than Tay-Dor thinks they will do any of the
writing for the shadow team?

Aco will be - probably - as the current version of the media story has
them bumping into the shadow team.

Logan Graves will be. His dwarf infiltration specialist will, at some
point, hook up with the shadow team.

Rat MIGHT. The plot that I discussed with her (but it isn't set in
stone that she'll be doing this one) involves one of the people in the
zombie rooms. It's likely that her link in to the core threads will be
to see the shadow team when they're looking for their target.

Strago will. The resistance cell he's writing about (plus the UCAS team
survivors - all two of them) will team up with the shadow team to grab
some of the "leech serum".

Renee's might. Her vampire is going to follow one of the teams. It's
likely to be the shadow team, but it might be the Renraku team.

I think that's about it for now.
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Message no. 30
From: Aaron Binns sparrow@***.net.au
Subject: My story outline
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:40:58 +1000
> GW, do you intend to have the shadow team meet with the resistance in
> your story, or afterwards? If not in yours, why do you think they need
> to do so?

I was planning on the team finding the 'remains' from a resistance cell who
had possibly been caught by deus' blues/drones. I was also going to have
them rescue some of the resistance members from blues and greens hunting
them on one of the office levels. I wasnt planning on any official meeting
with the resistance.. but that could change if anyone wants me to alter it.

> What I'd like to do is, if you feel they need to meet with the
> resistance early on, have them meet a cell, talk, get info and such,
> then go their own way again. That makes things easier for later on. In
> which case when Tay-Dor's story begins, he'll only have to deal with
> the shadow team, not a resistance cell as well.

ok.. can do.

> Aco will be - probably - as the current version of the media story has
> them bumping into the shadow team.
>
> Logan Graves will be. His dwarf infiltration specialist will, at some
> point, hook up with the shadow team.
>
> Rat MIGHT. The plot that I discussed with her (but it isn't set in
> stone that she'll be doing this one) involves one of the people in the
> zombie rooms. It's likely that her link in to the core threads will be
> to see the shadow team when they're looking for their target.

Ok.. I pass through two zombie rooms I think.. at least one anyhow.. and
there are enough to go around between writers anyhow :)

> Strago will. The resistance cell he's writing about (plus the UCAS team
> survivors - all two of them) will team up with the shadow team to grab
> some of the "leech serum".

That would be on the way down or after they find their target on lvl 241.

> Renee's might. Her vampire is going to follow one of the teams. It's
> likely to be the shadow team, but it might be the Renraku team.

vampire? I think Id better go back and re-read the archives :)

> I think that's about it for now.
> ==> Doc'

GreyWolf
Message no. 31
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: My story outline
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:33:09 -0400 (EDT)
> I was planning on the team finding the 'remains' from a resistance
cell who had possibly been caught by deus' blues/drones. I was also
going to have them rescue some of the resistance members from blues and
greens hunting them on one of the office levels. I wasnt planning on
any official meeting with the resistance.. but that could change if
anyone wants me to alter it.

Blues hunt. Greens don't. Apart from that, no probs.


> > Strago will. The resistance cell he's writing about (plus the UCAS
team survivors - all two of them) will team up with the shadow team to
grab some of the "leech serum".
>
> That would be on the way down or after they find their target on lvl
241.

No, before. No, after. Sorry. My mistake. The theory was that the
shadow team finds their target, but she's bound to a table by leeches
and they can't get her off without hurting her terribly. Strago's
resistance cell approaches them about helping the cell get the serum,
which the runners will then use to free their target in the final
story.

I think. Strago, did you intend to change this?
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Message no. 32
From: Aaron Binns sparrow@***.net.au
Subject: My story outline
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 22:23:39 +1000
Rand Ratinac wrote:

> > I was planning on the team finding the 'remains' from a resistance
> cell who had possibly been caught by deus' blues/drones. I was also
> going to have them rescue some of the resistance members from blues and
> greens hunting them on one of the office levels. I wasnt planning on
> any official meeting with the resistance.. but that could change if
> anyone wants me to alter it.
>
> Blues hunt. Greens don't. Apart from that, no probs.

oops.. supposed to say Blues and Drones.

> > > Strago will. The resistance cell he's writing about (plus the UCAS
> team survivors - all two of them) will team up with the shadow team to
> grab some of the "leech serum".
> >
> > That would be on the way down or after they find their target on lvl
> 241.
>
> No, before. No, after. Sorry. My mistake. The theory was that the
> shadow team finds their target, but she's bound to a table by leeches
> and they can't get her off without hurting her terribly. Strago's
> resistance cell approaches them about helping the cell get the serum,
> which the runners will then use to free their target in the final
> story.

Thats what I meant, what about you? The runners find the target then have
to go get the leech serum to get him out.
Message no. 33
From: Demonnic Bloodbather demonnic@*********.net
Subject: My story outline
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 16:16:05 +1200
Greywolf wrote:

>
> On that note: Who other than Tay-Dor thinks they will do any of the writing
> for the shadow team?
>

Well, my story was meant to take them from somewhere below the zombie room to
almost into it, or actually in it. I dunno who's writing the story where they
find said relative. Buuuuuuuuut... unless something changes, I might have to drop
out. My time is getting more and more limited. I'm still writing the story, but
it's coming somewhat slowly... I'm not gonna give up yet since we have no actual
deadlines. I really wanna be a part of this, so I'm gonna do my best to stick
with it, but we'll see.... Either way, you'll get a story, it just might not make
it for the official release or whatever.

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Message no. 34
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: My story outline
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 03:27:40 -0400 (EDT)
> > > > Strago will. The resistance cell he's writing about (plus the
UCAS team survivors - all two of them) will team up with the shadow
team to grab some of the "leech serum".
> > >
> > > That would be on the way down or after they find their target on
lvl 241.
> >
> > No, before. No, after. Sorry. My mistake. The theory was that the
shadow team finds their target, but she's bound to a table by leeches
and they can't get her off without hurting her terribly. Strago's
resistance cell approaches them about helping the cell get the serum,
which the runners will then use to free their target in the final
story.
>
> Thats what I meant, what about you? The runners find the target then
have to go get the leech serum to get him out.

You're right - it's after they FIND their target...but before they FREE her.
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Message no. 35
From: Aaron Binns sparrow@***.net.au
Subject: My story outline
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 22:42:13 +1000
Rand Ratinac wrote:

> > Thats what I meant, what about you? The runners find the target then
> have to go get the leech serum to get him out.
>
> You're right - it's after they FIND their target...but before they FREE her.

And.. this changes what I said, how?

GreyWolf
Message no. 36
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: My story outline
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 22:54:10 -0400 (EDT)
> > > Thats what I meant, what about you? The runners find the target
then have to go get the leech serum to get him out.
> >
> > You're right - it's after they FIND their target...but before they
FREE her.
>
> And.. this changes what I said, how?
>
> GreyWolf

It doesn't. Just clarifying for anyone who I accidentally confused.
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Message no. 37
From: Guy Sie guy.sie@*****.a2000.nl
Subject: My story outline
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 01:28:56 +0200
Bah, vacations suck. Well, actually, they rule, but not being able to
mail for a week severely restricts your communication abilities :).

After a few private e-mail replies to my original 'can I join' question,
the answer was pretty much 'Think of something and post to the list,
then see what happens'. I had a vacation to think about it, so I figure
I might as well post the outline here. Feel free to flame, criticise
and be blunt, it'll never get through my thick skull otherwise.

The story happens shortly after the arcology shuts down, in such a time
that the truth behind the arcology isn't widespread knowledge yet (its a
rough outline, so no dates for you :)).

The main character is a human kid (12? 15? something along that age),
a ganger, who runs afoul of another gang while near the infamous
off-ramp with the crushed Rolls. As he runs away from them he comes
upon a 'dead end', and scrambles into a maintenance service tunnel for
the off-ramp. As he runs out, he finds himself on top of the deserted
off-ramp, with speeding cars on one end and the arcology on the other.
As he hears the gangers coming up behind him, he decides to make a run
for the arcology. Running straight toward a minefield, a sudden voice
in his mind saying something cliche like "Danger!" stops him cold in his
tracks. He goes around the 'bad' spot, and starts running again when he
hears the gangers behind him shouting and running after him. The same
voice tells him to turn around, and watch, and... play.
The first few gangers, not having the same kind of guardian voice, run
into the mindfield and explode. A kind of strange, sick feeling of
satisfaction comes over him, and then survival instinct grabs him again
and he makes a run for the tiny hole next to the crushed car.
Ofcourse, running headfirst into the Renraku Arcology was not one of the
best choices he could've made at the time.

After getting lost in the arcology (you get hunted by a bunch of those
constructs, run away, and try to find your way back :P) his actions
within the arcology (undefined as yet) reveal that he's one of Cat's
chosen, a shaman 'in development'. He doesn't know it himself, it
just... happens (memo: Include really significant dreamy totemsearching
scene when kid blacks out) (Yes, I know this isn't entirely in line with
SR rules, but c'mon... neither were most of the official novels). Deus
figures this out too, and takes a sharp interest in him (this is an
assumption i'm making. Deus likes children. Deus likes experimenting
on 'special' subjects. Well, here's one who'se both) making his
survival even more hectic, until he's 'rescued' by a resistance group.
They explain most of what they know to him, and one of the members
explains at least basically what the whole Cat thing is about, giving
him a bit more to work with... he runs with the resistance group (with
Deus sending blues and greens after him), until he gets knocked out in a
spectacular final scene where he saves the rest of the group by
sacrificing himself (blahblah yackity yack). Net result? Resistance
group survives, but Deus has the kid.

This is kinda where my thoughts split. I've loved braided novel type
affairs, and I also love surprise plots where the good guy main
characters unexpectedly turns into a bad guy. I see excellent "Oh my
god I cant believe he just did that" material in having the kid be
rescued in another story (maybe by the same resistance group that found
him in the first place), only to have him turn on them as one of Deus'
chameleons. If well executed, I believe few are going to see that one
coming. Ofcourse, this would take the cooperation of somebody else and
his story, and I can't expect anybody to really jump for that particular
idea :). My other idea is that the story simply continues but takes a
sudden turn, as the kid is turned to Deus' cause (whatever it may be)
and starts burning down resistance members... I don't really have any
ending in mind for that, to be honest.

Well, there you have it. Its a pretty flimsy excuse for a story, but
its all my brains could cope with in the 40 degree (celcius) heat.
Flame away.

Aco
Message no. 38
From: Scott Wheelock iscottw@*****.nb.ca
Subject: My story outline
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 00:58:10 -0300
"And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to Guy Sie."
] The story happens shortly after the arcology shuts down, in such a time
] that the truth behind the arcology isn't widespread knowledge yet (its a
] rough outline, so no dates for you :)).

<snip!>

This sounds long! I dunno how much leeway we have in terms of
length, but this could be quite a long tale...other than that though,
it sounds really interesting! I say go for it (though one of the
requirements is that you forward the progress of at least one team
inside the Arc. You'll have to work that in somehow).

-Murder of One
Message no. 39
From: Guy Sie guy.sie@*****.a2000.nl
Subject: My story outline
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 10:35:26 +0200
Scott Wheelock wrote:
> This sounds long! I dunno how much leeway we have in terms of
> length, but this could be quite a long tale...

Hmmmm.... I forgot to think about possible size requirements :) (too
used to the luxury of being a fanfic writer?). Ahwell, wont be the
first time I've sliced into my own stories like it was a bad horror
flick. I'll work on it.

> other than that though,
> it sounds really interesting! I say go for it (though one of the
> requirements is that you forward the progress of at least one team
> inside the Arc. You'll have to work that in somehow).

Would that be team as in, one of the original teams described in the
sourcebook (ie resistance, Renraku, Deus, etc?), or one of the teams
from another list story in it? If the latter, I'd need a bit more
information about other people's stories than I currently have, even
after collecting list mail for the past few weeks. If the former, the
kid is in the resistance at first, and ends up in Deus' hands at the
end, so I see some possibilities there... if only in describing their
actions from his POV (without taking an active (disturbing?) role in the
'general plot' himself).

Aco
Message no. 40
From: CEvans9159@***.com CEvans9159@***.com
Subject: My story outline
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 04:40:50 EDT
In a message dated 7/17/99 1:35:54 AM, guy.sie@*****.a2000.nl writes:

>Would that be team as in, one of the original teams described in the
>sourcebook (ie resistance, Renraku, Deus, etc?), or one of the teams
>from another list story in it? If the latter, I'd need a bit more
>information about other people's stories than I currently have, even
>after collecting list mail for the past few weeks. If the former, the
>kid is in the resistance at first, and ends up in Deus' hands at the
>end, so I see some possibilities there... if only in describing their
>actions from his POV (without taking an active (disturbing?) role in the
>'general plot' himself).

If you go to jackpoint.org, you can check the backlogs of this list and fiind
out the details of our little project...or just wait a few days and Strago or
Doc will fill you in.

Essentially there are three teams that are going into the Arc.
1) Renraku team trying to find Dr. Cliber. They find team #2 and
attempt to hose them.
2) UCAS Strike Team also trying to find Dr. Cliber. If I remember,
they do find her or something.
3) Shadowrunner team searching for the relative of one of their
Fixers...they meet up with the Resistance.

Tay-Dor
(Who is writing about a mundane troll ganger trapped in the arc when
it shut down)
Message no. 41
From: Scott Wheelock iscottw@*****.nb.ca
Subject: My story outline
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 11:18:05 -0300
"And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to CEvans9159@***.com."
] Essentially there are three teams that are going into the Arc.
] 1) Renraku team trying to find Dr. Cliber. They find team #2 and
] attempt to hose them.
] 2) UCAS Strike Team also trying to find Dr. Cliber. If I remember,
] they do find her or something.
] 3) Shadowrunner team searching for the relative of one of their
] Fixers...they meet up with the Resistance.

Actually, the fixer is the character in my story, yes he has a
relative in the Arc, but the shadow team is going after someone else,
and they refuse to go after his father. Who the shadow team is after
is someone elses decision (I forget who. Whoever it is, get back to me
with characters sometime soon, please :)

-Murder of One
Message no. 42
From: Strago strago@***.com
Subject: My story outline
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 12:52:44 -0400
CEvans9159@***.com wrote:

> In a message dated 7/17/99 1:35:54 AM, guy.sie@*****.a2000.nl writes:
>
> >Would that be team as in, one of the original teams described in the
> >sourcebook (ie resistance, Renraku, Deus, etc?), or one of the teams
> >from another list story in it? If the latter, I'd need a bit more
> >information about other people's stories than I currently have, even
> >after collecting list mail for the past few weeks. If the former, the
> >kid is in the resistance at first, and ends up in Deus' hands at the
> >end, so I see some possibilities there... if only in describing their
> >actions from his POV (without taking an active (disturbing?) role in the
> >'general plot' himself).
>
> If you go to jackpoint.org, you can check the backlogs of this list and fiind
> out the details of our little project...or just wait a few days and Strago or
> Doc will fill you in.
>

As one of the duly anointed, I shall endeavor to correct you. Of course, all
this is just IIRC. Doc' may have changed something without telling me. ;^)

> Essentially there are three teams that are going into the Arc.
> 1) Renraku team trying to find Dr. Cliber. They find team #2 and
> attempt to hose them.
> 2) UCAS Strike Team also trying to find Dr. Cliber. If I remember,
> they do find her or something.
> 3) Shadowrunner team searching for the relative of one of their
> Fixers...they meet up with the Resistance.
>

OK. UCAS finds Dr. Cliber. Renraku finds UCAS. Renraku hoses UCAS, nabbs Cliber.
Renraku loses Cliber. The Shadowrunners find the relative, and they get out
happy. I'm dealing with the UCAS Team immediately after Renraku hoses them. I
don't know yet how far I'm going to take them.

> Tay-Dor
> (Who is writing about a mundane troll ganger trapped in the arc when
> it shut down)



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Message no. 43
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: My story outline
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 22:58:01 -0400 (EDT)
Wow, finally got through about 500 items of mail and I can answer this.

> As one of the duly anointed, I shall endeavor to correct you. Of
course, all this is just IIRC. Doc' may have changed something without
telling me. ;^)

*lol* No, no major changes lately.

> OK. UCAS finds Dr. Cliber.

Yes. The UCAS military has gotten in contact with Cliber and made a
deal to get her out in exchange for info on Deus and help in shutting
Deus down.

> Renraku finds UCAS. Renraku hoses UCAS, nabbs Cliber.

Again, yes. Cliber, being a mercenary type, doesn't care who gets her
out as long as she gets out, so she's also been in touch with her
bosses in Renraku. Whoever gets to her first she'll go with. In this
case, the UCAS gets there first. Renraku is prepared for this, though,
and ambush the UCAS team, wiping some of them out and grabbing Cliber.
The UCAS team then bumps into some of Deus' troops and is further
mauled, before being rescued by a Resistance cell.

> Renraku loses Cliber.

Not exactly. Renraku will actually hold onto Cliber, but has problems
getting out. In the final story, the intention is that the UCAS team
has gotten some help, in the form of a Resistance Cell or two. They
ambush the Renraku team. Then Deus comes to the party. There is a
dust-up and when the smoke clears, all parties involved are forced to
retreat, leaving Cliber in the tender care of Deus. Deus lets her go,
however.

For those of you who've read RA:S (which should be all of you by now,
hopefully), you've seen the section where Devon Eurich comes face to
face with Deus. I was thinking of having Deus' motivations working
along the same lines there. Cliber is one of his creators - his mother,
if you will, and he's more interested in playing with her than dealing
with her permanently, so he releases her - or just leaves her alone or
something.

Little of the above is set it stone. The only thing that MUST happen is
that BOTH teams must lose custody of Cliber. She will NOT be getting
out of the arc - at this time, at least.

> The Shadowrunners find the relative, and they get out happy.

In all likelihood. It's actually a relative of one of the runners, as
Scott (Murder of One) pointed out.

> I'm dealing with the UCAS Team immediately after Renraku hoses them.

For a short bit. Most of Strago's story (if it ends up how he last said
it will) will take place near the end of the book (it'll probably be
the second last story).

> I don't know yet how far I'm going to take them.

Well, I can answer that one. Again, if Strago goes with what he last
told me, he'll be taking the team from their initial crunching to just
before they ambush the Renraku team. He'll actually be glossing over a
lot of the trip and that's where your story could get involved. I say
"your story" with qualifications which I'll mention in a later post.

Anyway, the point is that those are the three core stories. They'll be
introduced at the start, be carried through by events in other stories
and be resolved at the end. All the other stories must advance one or
more of these three stories at some point, either by becoming involved
with them or witnessing the effects of them or in some other way. For
instance, Strago's story will be centred on a Resistance Cell, but both
the UCAS and shadow teams will be a large part of them, so he'll be
advancing their stories. On the other hand, if a previous story had a
team on level 200 and your story mentions seeing them on level 180,
you've advanced them by having them move on towards their goal.

You follow?
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Message no. 44
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: My story outline
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 22:59:27 -0400 (EDT)
> Actually, the fixer is the character in my story, yes he has a
relative in the Arc, but the shadow team is going after someone else,
and they refuse to go after his father. Who the shadow team is after
is someone elses decision (I forget who. Whoever it is, get back to me
with characters sometime soon, please :)
>
> -Murder of One

Yes, please, GW.

How are you going with the shadow team? I haven't heard anything from
you for a while. And Scott needs them rather urgently.
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Message no. 45
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: My story outline
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 23:58:13 -0400 (EDT)
<BigSNIP(TM)>
> Well, there you have it. Its a pretty flimsy excuse for a story, but
its all my brains could cope with in the 40 degree (celcius) heat.
Flame away.
>
> Aco

Huge snip, in fact.

Basically, as it is, I'm going to have to veto that one for a few
reasons. Firstly, it'd be MUCH to big in order to develop everything
you wanted to. You really shouldn't be going much over 8,000 words.
Secondly, timing is way off - the majority of the stories are going to
be taking place shortly after Corporate Download (which is set some
time in 2061, IIRC) - over a year after the arc shutdown. One (possibly
two) of the stories will BEGIN before this, but most of the events
between their beginnings and current time will be glossed over. You
can't do that with your story. Thirdly, the developing character story
would take away from the core threads of the book too much.

While it's certainly an interesting story, I think it'd be more suited
to a novel than a short story.

Now there are a few things you can do. You can adapt the idea so we
don't have these problems. You can talk to me if you don't want to
adapt it and don't have any other ideas (I have a list of ideas that no
one has taken yet).

Or my favourite. :) Iridios has had to leave the project due to lack of
time. However, he had a very interesting idea that I'd like someone to
write, but I haven't had any takers yet. Basically, it was about a
couple of newsies who were stuck inside the arc. They've been recording
footage for ages now, sometimes getting shadowrunners to smuggle it
out. They're trying to survive and get the story of a lifetime. Of
course, things don't always work out that way...

Anyway, if you're interested in that one, or in any of the other
solutions I suggested, let me know and I'll see what can be done.
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Message no. 46
From: CEvans9159@***.com CEvans9159@***.com
Subject: My story outline
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 05:58:10 EDT
In a message dated 7/20/99 8:54:55 PM, docwagon101@*****.com writes:

>Basically, as it is, I'm going to have to veto that one for a few
>reasons. Firstly, it'd be MUCH to big in order to develop everything
>you wanted to. You really shouldn't be going much over 8,000 words.
>Secondly, timing is way off - the majority of the stories are going to
>be taking place shortly after Corporate Download (which is set some
>time in 2061, IIRC) - over a year after the arc shutdown. One (possibly
>two) of the stories will BEGIN before this, but most of the events
>between their beginnings and current time will be glossed over. You
>can't do that with your story. Thirdly, the developing character story
>would take away from the core threads of the book too much.

Sounds like my story...which starts the day of the shut down.
fortunately, I *am* planning to have huge gaps of time in the "diary". Most
of the days his entry would consist of, "Found food. avoided construct.
Still alive." :)

Tay-Dor
"hmm...i should prolly get back to writting the story then..."
Message no. 47
From: Guy Sie guy.sie@*****.a2000.nl
Subject: My story outline
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:08:19 +0200
Rand Ratinac wrote:
> Basically, as it is, I'm going to have to veto that one for a few
> reasons. Firstly, it'd be MUCH to big in order to develop everything
<snip>

I pretty much expected that one coming :). Main problem was that I had
no actual timeframe to place the story in, no background knowledge of
what was wanted, and no actual knowledge of the other stories, which
meant I had to bluff my way through most of those :). I feel better now
that the last few posts have actually told me what I need to know.

> be taking place shortly after Corporate Download (which is set some
> time in 2061, IIRC) - over a year after the arc shutdown. One (possibly

Is Corporate Download a required read (ie does it have any more info on
the Arcology shutdown)? I have RA:S but not CD... And with my last
rush of novel-buying (catched up on another 6... finally read Dragon
Heart tril.. still have 5 to go), I don't have the bucks for it :)

> Now there are a few things you can do. You can adapt the idea so we
> don't have these problems. You can talk to me if you don't want to
> adapt it and don't have any other ideas (I have a list of ideas that no
> one has taken yet).

To be honest... I don't quite see that much adaptability in it. It
kinda relies on itself too much. So I've scragged it down my priority
list onto the "When I have time" list, and I'll take anything else :).

> Or my favourite. :) Iridios has had to leave the project due to lack of
> time. However, he had a very interesting idea that I'd like someone to
> write, but I haven't had any takers yet. Basically, it was about a
> couple of newsies who were stuck inside the arc. They've been recording
> footage for ages now, sometimes getting shadowrunners to smuggle it
> out. They're trying to survive and get the story of a lifetime. Of
> course, things don't always work out that way...

Heh. My first story idea had been similar, but I had wiped that one
because it was too simple (as in, its basically a run from the book) and
should have been taken by someone allready :) (and it was, as you can
see). I like SR-style newsies, they stick their heads in stupidly
dangerous places just to get more money (or the truth. Sometimes both).

> Anyway, if you're interested in that one, or in any of the other
> solutions I suggested, let me know and I'll see what can be done.

Well, then consider me interested in above :).

Aco
Message no. 48
From: Guy Sie guy.sie@*****.a2000.nl
Subject: My story outline
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:08:45 +0200
Rand Ratinac wrote:
> > The Shadowrunners find the relative, and they get out happy.
> In all likelihood. It's actually a relative of one of the runners, as
> Scott (Murder of One) pointed out.

While I see the connection between the UCAS/Renraku main plots and the
Resistance thrown in, the runners seem to be having a milk run and dont
meet up with any of the others... Or have I read it wrong?

Aco
Message no. 49
From: CEvans9159@***.com CEvans9159@***.com
Subject: My story outline
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:39:06 EDT
In a message dated 7/21/99 4:10:28 AM, guy.sie@*****.a2000.nl writes:

>the runners seem to be having a milk run and dont
>meet up with any of the others.

I don't know if I'd call any incursion into the Arcology a "milk run."
Actually, if I recall, they will meet the resistance team also? The
"relative" happens to be located in one of the Zombie rooms.

Tay-Dor
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Message no. 50
From: Scott Wheelock iscottw@*****.nb.ca
Subject: My story outline
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 20:06:23 -0300
"And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to CEvans9159@***.com."
] >the runners seem to be having a milk run and dont
] >meet up with any of the others.
]
] I don't know if I'd call any incursion into the Arcology a "milk run."
] Actually, if I recall, they will meet the resistance team also? The
] "relative" happens to be located in one of the Zombie rooms.

And, though we haven't figured out how, the shadow team _does_ lose a
couple members.

-Murder of One
Message no. 51
From: Guy Sie guy.sie@*****.a2000.nl
Subject: My story outline
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 01:13:38 +0200
Scott Wheelock wrote:
> ] >the runners seem to be having a milk run and dont
> ] I don't know if I'd call any incursion into the Arcology a "milk run."
> And, though we haven't figured out how, the shadow team _does_ lose a
> couple members.

Okay, just wanted to see if I really got that point right or if I was
missing something. I seemed so out of place to have the whole
Renraku/UCAS frag-up going on as what looked like the 'main plot', and
the shadowrunners not having anything to do with them...

Aco
Message no. 52
From: Aaron Binns sparrow@***.net.au
Subject: My story outline
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:04:20 +1000
> > Actually, the fixer is the character in my story, yes he has a
> relative in the Arc, but the shadow team is going after someone else,
> and they refuse to go after his father. Who the shadow team is after
> is someone elses decision (I forget who. Whoever it is, get back to me
> with characters sometime soon, please :)
> >
> > -Murder of One
>
> Yes, please, GW.
>
> How are you going with the shadow team? I haven't heard anything from
> you for a while. And Scott needs them rather urgently.
> ==> Doc'

First, Apologies...

Second, For the record:

1. Ive been organising and firming up and getting a new job.
2. Ive been ill.
3. Ive been getting my ram chips fixed - makes it hard to use the computer
with bad ram chips.. or at least for anything requiring over 8mb ram to run
(this includes MS-word).

For the above reasons I might be tempted to say that Ive been unable to do
much on the shadow team recently.

I wont say that. I think its too obvious already.

I will say, however, that Im back to it, and I'll have something this
afternoon or tomorrow morning, (EST-AU).

At the least, a roster of the team for Scott...

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Message no. 53
From: Aaron Binns sparrow@***.net.au
Subject: My story outline
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:11:58 +1000
> "And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to CEvans9159@***.com."
> ] >the runners seem to be having a milk run and dont
> ] >meet up with any of the others.
> ]
> ] I don't know if I'd call any incursion into the Arcology a "milk run."
> ] Actually, if I recall, they will meet the resistance team also? The
> ] "relative" happens to be located in one of the Zombie rooms.
>
> And, though we haven't figured out how, the shadow team _does_ lose a
> couple members.
>
> -Murder of One

Ok.. the shadow team storyline is in question here.. and I know where it
goes too :) Seeing as I wrote it...

the shadow team meet the resistance first on floors 123-130. Their 'target'
if you will, is on floor 241 - she is a survivor of one of deus' maze floors
(and possibly experimentation too...).

The shadow team is planned to have only lost one member the entire run.. or
possibly two.

the first is the rigger.. the plan for this is for deus to take over the
commend frequencies and turn the drones against the team - killing the
rigger in the process.

the second is only a possability - a deathstrike by the mage (not the
shaman, note) right at the end while getting back to the ork underground.
This will be left up to the writer of that final scene, whoever that is, to
decide if it gets included.

Ill finish writing up the story propperly for posting someday... :) <j/k>

GreyWolf
Message no. 54
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: My story outline
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 22:53:07 -0400 (EDT)
> Sounds like my story...which starts the day of the shut down.
fortunately, I *am* planning to have huge gaps of time in the "diary".
Most of the days his entry would consist of, "Found food. avoided
construct. Still alive." :)
>
> Tay-Dor
> "hmm...i should prolly get back to writting the
> story then..."

That's the one. And it's the ONLY one that'll be starting that early,
except possibly for a bit of an intro in the media plot. Almost all the
action will be happening in the space of a day or two, from when the
UCAS enters the arc (it's the first one in), to when the shadow team
(and possibly the survivors of the other two get out).

I don't know the exact date we'll set it, but we'll figure that out
later. It's not so important right now.
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Message no. 55
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: My story outline
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:29:34 -0400 (EDT)
As always, some corrections...:)

> Ok.. the shadow team storyline is in question here.. and I know where
it goes too :) Seeing as I wrote it...
>
> the shadow team meet the resistance first on floors 123-130. Their
'target' if you will, is on floor 241 - she is a survivor of one of
deus' maze floors (and possibly experimentation too...).

The floors may differ to those posted here. Actual floor references,
unless they MUST take place on a certain floor, are subject to change
while we're putting everything together.

> The shadow team is planned to have only lost one member the entire
run.. or possibly two.

Which is the point - both the Renraku and UCAS teams "think within the
box" as it were, and get pretty badly scragged by the end. The shadow
team is less conventional and performs better.

> the first is the rigger.. the plan for this is for deus to take over
the commend frequencies and turn the drones against the team - killing
the rigger in the process.

Is that how you wanted to do it? Interesting...
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Message no. 56
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: My story outline
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:34:04 -0400 (EDT)
> > ] >the runners seem to be having a milk run and
> dont
> > ] I don't know if I'd call any incursion into the
> Arcology a "milk run."
> > And, though we haven't figured out how, the
> shadow team _does_ lose a
> > couple members.
>
> Okay, just wanted to see if I really got that point right or if I was
missing something. I seemed so out of place to have the whole
Renraku/UCAS frag-up going on as what looked like the 'main plot', and
the shadowrunners not having anything to do with them...
>
> Aco

That's not it exactly. These are the three main threads. Because
Renraku and the UCAS are after the same thing, they come into conflict
early on. All these plots will be woven together at the end, although
they may bump and collide earlier on. For example, the shadow team and
the UCAS team will assist each other in Strago's story (the second
last, unless things change). In words, it looks like the shadow team is
a bit of an aside. That'll change in execution as a lot of stories will
focus or include them, same as with the other teams. The only
difference is that they won't be running into the other teams so soon.

Does that explain it better?

Oh, and it certainly won't be a milk run. EVERYONE'S going to have
difficulties. It's just that some people will handle it better.
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Message no. 57
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: My story outline
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:39:02 -0400 (EDT)
> I pretty much expected that one coming :). Main problem was that I
had no actual timeframe to place the story in, no background knowledge
of what was wanted, and no actual knowledge of the other stories, which
meant I had to bluff my way through most of those :). I feel better
now that the last few posts have actually told me what I need to know.

I apologise for that - I only realised how little you had to work with
after I saw what you'd thought of.

> Is Corporate Download a required read (ie does it have any more info
on the Arcology shutdown)? I have RA:S but not CD... And with my last
rush of novel-buying (catched up on another 6... finally read Dragon
Heart tril.. still have 5 to go), I don't have the bucks for it :)

Not a required read, although it does have a rather interesting impact
on the project. Once I get it and read it all, I'll let everyone know
if there's anything beyond what's already common knowledge which will
impact us.

Basically, the Red Samurai have managed to take over the 5 floors
closest to the ground.

> To be honest... I don't quite see that much adaptability in it. It
kinda relies on itself too much. So I've scragged it down my priority
list onto the "When I have time" list, and I'll take anything else :).

Which is why I wanted you to adapt it - I couldn't see how we'd manage
it. :)

> Heh. My first story idea had been similar, but I had wiped that one
because it was too simple (as in, its basically a run from the book)
and should have been taken by someone allready :) (and it was, as you
can see). I like SR-style newsies, they stick their heads in stupidly
dangerous places just to get more money (or the truth. Sometimes
both).
>
> Well, then consider me interested in above :).

Aco (Guy?), I'll send you the details Iridios sent to me in a private
post. He said he'd done up one of the characters, but I haven't
received her yet. In any event, you can make your own characters if you
choose. Any questions, any suggestions, any changes, just let me know.
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Message no. 58
From: Scott Wheelock iscottw@*****.nb.ca
Subject: My story outline
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 03:00:01 -0300
"And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to Aaron Binns."
] 1. Ive been organising and firming up and getting a new job.
] 2. Ive been ill.
] 3. Ive been getting my ram chips fixed - makes it hard to use the computer
] with bad ram chips.. or at least for anything requiring over 8mb ram to run
] (this includes MS-word).

I sympathize...just let us know, and we'll cut you some slack
(although I'd hate to have people drop out at this point, as I'm sure
everyone would).

] I will say, however, that Im back to it, and I'll have something this
] afternoon or tomorrow morning, (EST-AU).
]
] At the least, a roster of the team for Scott...

Heck, just a personality sketch of one runner would do. Not the team
leader though...a friend of the leader, perhaps. If it would be
easier, I can make up the character, and give him to you for use in the
shadow team :)

-Murder of One
Message no. 59
From: CEvans9159@***.com CEvans9159@***.com
Subject: My story outline
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 05:57:54 EDT
In a message dated 7/21/99 4:07:12 PM, iscottw@*****.nb.ca writes:

>
> And, though we haven't figured out how, the shadow team _does_ lose a
>couple members.


I can kill one of two off. My story is leading them through the
Labyrinth. Muhuhuhuhahahaha...

Tay-Dor
Message no. 60
From: CEvans9159@***.com CEvans9159@***.com
Subject: My story outline
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 05:59:54 EDT
In a message dated 7/21/99 4:15:50 PM, guy.sie@*****.a2000.nl writes:

>Okay, just wanted to see if I really got that point right or if I was
>missing something. I seemed so out of place to have the whole
>Renraku/UCAS frag-up going on as what looked like the 'main plot', and
>the shadowrunners not having anything to do with them...

I think the idea we were going for is: The highly funded
corp/military trained teams with tons of intel fail while the
not-so-highly-funded street-type Shadowrunners without as much intel do what
the others couldn't. Survive and suceed.

Tay-Dor
Message no. 61
From: CEvans9159@***.com CEvans9159@***.com
Subject: My story outline
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 06:08:39 EDT
In a message dated 7/21/99 8:26:24 PM, docwagon101@*****.com writes:

>> the shadow team meet the resistance first on floors 123-130. Their
>'target' if you will, is on floor 241 - she is a survivor of one of
>deus' maze floors (and possibly experimentation too...).

hmmm...My story will cover the labyrinth and get them from 133 to
148. Now the concern I have is thus. What exactly do you see happening
between the Resistance and the Shadowteam? Major point of information is
that the character in my story will have had nothing to do with the
Resistance.
So any ideas about what will happen here?

Tay-Dor
Message no. 62
From: Aaron Binns sparrow@***.net.au
Subject: My story outline
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 23:17:01 +1000
> >> the shadow team meet the resistance first on floors 123-130. Their
> >'target' if you will, is on floor 241 - she is a survivor of one of
> >deus' maze floors (and possibly experimentation too...).
>
> hmmm...My story will cover the labyrinth and get them from 133 to
> 148. Now the concern I have is thus. What exactly do you see happening
> between the Resistance and the Shadowteam? Major point of information is
> that the character in my story will have had nothing to do with the
> Resistance.
> So any ideas about what will happen here?

Well thats mainly up to you. Im writing the story up to where thay are before
level 123... a few levels down I think... err dont ahve book handy so cant
say precicely.. but the first experementation room below lvl 123.

how they interact with the resistance is up to whoevert writes it.. the
storyline sketch isnt that detailed apart from the bit im writing and the
main "targets" in the story that i feel must be met for the runner team. this
includes running the labyrinth, meeting the resistance, finding the target,
escaping to the ork underground and a few others like running briefly into
the UCAS/RENRAKU team once theyve blown each other apart earlier on... :)

any help here would be appreciated to flesh out the storyline after my bit
ends.

On that note: Who other than Tay-Dor thinks they will do any of the writing
for the shadow team?

GreyWolf

> Tay-Dor
Message no. 63
From: Aaron Binns sparrow@***.net.au
Subject: My story outline
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 23:23:15 +1000
Scott Wheelock wrote:

> "And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to Aaron Binns."
> ] 1. Ive been organising and firming up and getting a new job.
> ] 2. Ive been ill.
> ] 3. Ive been getting my ram chips fixed - makes it hard to use the computer
> ] with bad ram chips.. or at least for anything requiring over 8mb ram to run
> ] (this includes MS-word).
>
> I sympathize...just let us know, and we'll cut you some slack
> (although I'd hate to have people drop out at this point, as I'm sure
> everyone would).

Please cut slack :)

Other than that - No Im not dropping out :) I dont plan to, dont want to and thus
I Wont.. even if it means taking Rands computer away ("borrowing it") :)
<grin>
he he he :)
</grin>

> ] I will say, however, that Im back to it, and I'll have something this
> ] afternoon or tomorrow morning, (EST-AU).
> ]
> ] At the least, a roster of the team for Scott...
>
> Heck, just a personality sketch of one runner would do. Not the team
> leader though...a friend of the leader, perhaps. If it would be
> easier, I can make up the character, and give him to you for use in the
> shadow team :)

Ok.. I have the very person.. :) You have a Native American Fixer right? Well the
character is a NA Wolf Shaman (unless anyone can think of a better totem?).

It will have to come tomorrow. I got caught up in the city this afternoon and
just got home from a very painful grand final sports game. We lost - only just -
but I also got faceplanted into (and along!) the astroturf (OUCH!) :)

my finger dont want to work propperly right now - nothing that wont heal
overnight - I hope :)

> -Murder of One

GreyWolf
Message no. 64
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: My story outline
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 20:52:42 -0400 (EDT)
> I think the idea we were going for is: The highly funded
corp/military trained teams with tons of intel fail while the
not-so-highly-funded street-type Shadowrunners without as much intel do
what the others couldn't. Survive and suceed.
>
> Tay-Dor

Pretty good summary.
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Message no. 65
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: My story outline
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 21:28:13 -0400 (EDT)
> > hmmm...My story will cover the labyrinth and get them from
133 to 148. Now the concern I have is thus. What exactly do you see
happening between the Resistance and the Shadowteam? Major point of
information is that the character in my story will have had nothing to
do with the Resistance.
> > So any ideas about what will happen here?
>
> Well thats mainly up to you. Im writing the story up to where thay
are before level 123... a few levels down I think... err dont ahve book
handy so cant say precicely.. but the first experementation room below
lvl 123.
>
> how they interact with the resistance is up to whoevert writes it..
the storyline sketch isnt that detailed apart from the bit im writing
and the main "targets" in the story that i feel must be met for the
runner team. this includes running the labyrinth, meeting the
resistance, finding the target, escaping to the ork underground and a
few others like running briefly into the UCAS/RENRAKU team once theyve
blown each other apart earlier on... :)
>
> any help here would be appreciated to flesh out the storyline after
my bit ends.

GW, do you intend to have the shadow team meet with the resistance in
your story, or afterwards? If not in yours, why do you think they need
to do so?

What I'd like to do is, if you feel they need to meet with the
resistance early on, have them meet a cell, talk, get info and such,
then go their own way again. That makes things easier for later on. In
which case when Tay-Dor's story begins, he'll only have to deal with
the shadow team, not a resistance cell as well.


> On that note: Who other than Tay-Dor thinks they will do any of the
writing for the shadow team?

Aco will be - probably - as the current version of the media story has
them bumping into the shadow team.

Logan Graves will be. His dwarf infiltration specialist will, at some
point, hook up with the shadow team.

Rat MIGHT. The plot that I discussed with her (but it isn't set in
stone that she'll be doing this one) involves one of the people in the
zombie rooms. It's likely that her link in to the core threads will be
to see the shadow team when they're looking for their target.

Strago will. The resistance cell he's writing about (plus the UCAS team
survivors - all two of them) will team up with the shadow team to grab
some of the "leech serum".

Renee's might. Her vampire is going to follow one of the teams. It's
likely to be the shadow team, but it might be the Renraku team.

I think that's about it for now.
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Message no. 66
From: Aaron Binns sparrow@***.net.au
Subject: My story outline
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:40:58 +1000
> GW, do you intend to have the shadow team meet with the resistance in
> your story, or afterwards? If not in yours, why do you think they need
> to do so?

I was planning on the team finding the 'remains' from a resistance cell who
had possibly been caught by deus' blues/drones. I was also going to have
them rescue some of the resistance members from blues and greens hunting
them on one of the office levels. I wasnt planning on any official meeting
with the resistance.. but that could change if anyone wants me to alter it.

> What I'd like to do is, if you feel they need to meet with the
> resistance early on, have them meet a cell, talk, get info and such,
> then go their own way again. That makes things easier for later on. In
> which case when Tay-Dor's story begins, he'll only have to deal with
> the shadow team, not a resistance cell as well.

ok.. can do.

> Aco will be - probably - as the current version of the media story has
> them bumping into the shadow team.
>
> Logan Graves will be. His dwarf infiltration specialist will, at some
> point, hook up with the shadow team.
>
> Rat MIGHT. The plot that I discussed with her (but it isn't set in
> stone that she'll be doing this one) involves one of the people in the
> zombie rooms. It's likely that her link in to the core threads will be
> to see the shadow team when they're looking for their target.

Ok.. I pass through two zombie rooms I think.. at least one anyhow.. and
there are enough to go around between writers anyhow :)

> Strago will. The resistance cell he's writing about (plus the UCAS team
> survivors - all two of them) will team up with the shadow team to grab
> some of the "leech serum".

That would be on the way down or after they find their target on lvl 241.

> Renee's might. Her vampire is going to follow one of the teams. It's
> likely to be the shadow team, but it might be the Renraku team.

vampire? I think Id better go back and re-read the archives :)

> I think that's about it for now.
> ==> Doc'

GreyWolf
Message no. 67
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: My story outline
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:33:09 -0400 (EDT)
> I was planning on the team finding the 'remains' from a resistance
cell who had possibly been caught by deus' blues/drones. I was also
going to have them rescue some of the resistance members from blues and
greens hunting them on one of the office levels. I wasnt planning on
any official meeting with the resistance.. but that could change if
anyone wants me to alter it.

Blues hunt. Greens don't. Apart from that, no probs.


> > Strago will. The resistance cell he's writing about (plus the UCAS
team survivors - all two of them) will team up with the shadow team to
grab some of the "leech serum".
>
> That would be on the way down or after they find their target on lvl
241.

No, before. No, after. Sorry. My mistake. The theory was that the
shadow team finds their target, but she's bound to a table by leeches
and they can't get her off without hurting her terribly. Strago's
resistance cell approaches them about helping the cell get the serum,
which the runners will then use to free their target in the final
story.

I think. Strago, did you intend to change this?
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Message no. 68
From: Aaron Binns sparrow@***.net.au
Subject: My story outline
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 22:23:39 +1000
Rand Ratinac wrote:

> > I was planning on the team finding the 'remains' from a resistance
> cell who had possibly been caught by deus' blues/drones. I was also
> going to have them rescue some of the resistance members from blues and
> greens hunting them on one of the office levels. I wasnt planning on
> any official meeting with the resistance.. but that could change if
> anyone wants me to alter it.
>
> Blues hunt. Greens don't. Apart from that, no probs.

oops.. supposed to say Blues and Drones.

> > > Strago will. The resistance cell he's writing about (plus the UCAS
> team survivors - all two of them) will team up with the shadow team to
> grab some of the "leech serum".
> >
> > That would be on the way down or after they find their target on lvl
> 241.
>
> No, before. No, after. Sorry. My mistake. The theory was that the
> shadow team finds their target, but she's bound to a table by leeches
> and they can't get her off without hurting her terribly. Strago's
> resistance cell approaches them about helping the cell get the serum,
> which the runners will then use to free their target in the final
> story.

Thats what I meant, what about you? The runners find the target then have
to go get the leech serum to get him out.
Message no. 69
From: Demonnic Bloodbather demonnic@*********.net
Subject: My story outline
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 16:16:05 +1200
Greywolf wrote:

>
> On that note: Who other than Tay-Dor thinks they will do any of the writing
> for the shadow team?
>

Well, my story was meant to take them from somewhere below the zombie room to
almost into it, or actually in it. I dunno who's writing the story where they
find said relative. Buuuuuuuuut... unless something changes, I might have to drop
out. My time is getting more and more limited. I'm still writing the story, but
it's coming somewhat slowly... I'm not gonna give up yet since we have no actual
deadlines. I really wanna be a part of this, so I'm gonna do my best to stick
with it, but we'll see.... Either way, you'll get a story, it just might not make
it for the official release or whatever.

--
Demonnic
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Message no. 70
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: My story outline
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 03:27:40 -0400 (EDT)
> > > > Strago will. The resistance cell he's writing about (plus the
UCAS team survivors - all two of them) will team up with the shadow
team to grab some of the "leech serum".
> > >
> > > That would be on the way down or after they find their target on
lvl 241.
> >
> > No, before. No, after. Sorry. My mistake. The theory was that the
shadow team finds their target, but she's bound to a table by leeches
and they can't get her off without hurting her terribly. Strago's
resistance cell approaches them about helping the cell get the serum,
which the runners will then use to free their target in the final
story.
>
> Thats what I meant, what about you? The runners find the target then
have to go get the leech serum to get him out.

You're right - it's after they FIND their target...but before they FREE her.
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Message no. 71
From: Aaron Binns sparrow@***.net.au
Subject: My story outline
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 22:42:13 +1000
Rand Ratinac wrote:

> > Thats what I meant, what about you? The runners find the target then
> have to go get the leech serum to get him out.
>
> You're right - it's after they FIND their target...but before they FREE her.

And.. this changes what I said, how?

GreyWolf
Message no. 72
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: My story outline
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 22:54:10 -0400 (EDT)
> > > Thats what I meant, what about you? The runners find the target
then have to go get the leech serum to get him out.
> >
> > You're right - it's after they FIND their target...but before they
FREE her.
>
> And.. this changes what I said, how?
>
> GreyWolf

It doesn't. Just clarifying for anyone who I accidentally confused.
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