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Message no. 1
From: Aaron Binns sparrow@***.net.au
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 09:35:56 +1000
> A fixer, name of...I dunno yet, let's say Ed, anyway, a fixer name of
> Ed sees some footage of the Renraku Arcology that some enterprising
> journalist has snuck off with (this may have to be altered after I read
> RA:S), and sees a shot of a relative of his that he thought was long
> dead. Getting himself into a frenzy, he quickly cancels his
> appointments (or some such thing) and tries to get some of his runner
> contacts to make a foray into the Arc. Ed's only a middling level
> fixer though, and either he doesn't know anyone who's hot enough to
> take the risk, or the teams that could do it are busy (yeah, sounds
> flimsy, but I'll work it out). This goes on for a while. Ed's a
> Salish-Shidhe politician as well, and he tries to get the Council
> worked up about the Arcology, but they predictably decide to ignore the issue.
> Anyway, he tries and tries, and eventually his shadow reputation
> starts to slip (since he's letting all his business slip, and treating
> the teams who refused him like nobodies), and he is sent on a 'leave of
> absence' from work (a 'shape up or you're fired' kinda thing). He gets
> a tip from a street kid about an entrance to the Arc, but ends up
> getting mugged.
> Finally, he finds a shadow team that's going in. He petitions the
> one member he knows to search for his relative, and that member takes
> it to the team. They refuse, and the fixer is left behind.
> The story ends with him studying a map he pirated from the team that
> details the entrance, and him loading a gun.
>
> Ta-da! The story, as I've thought of it so far. RA:S is on order (my
> freakin' store is sooo stupid...they didn't even order it until
> yesterday, even though I placed the order Monday last week), so things
> may change, but not too heavily, I think.
>
> The shadow team, of course, is the Shadow Team of core thread fame.
> And there's the major problem...does chronology matter? Will my story
> contribute _anything_, since it's already known that the team gets into
> the Arc?
>
> -Murder of One

I dunno - ask Rand about if it contributes.. but Ill send you the copy of the
group so far this afternoon.. Unfortunately Im really busy right now and cant stay
online too long - or at least not long enough to make the changes Rand asked for
in the shadow team and send it before this afternoon.. :)

GreyWolf
Message no. 2
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 23:26:21 -0700 (PDT)
> A fixer, name of...I dunno yet, let's say Ed, anyway, a fixer name
of Ed sees some footage of the Renraku Arcology that some enterprising
journalist has snuck off with (this may have to be altered after I read
RA:S), and sees a shot of a relative of his that he thought was long
dead.

Actually, this could tie in with another story. Iridios (if the boy
ever gets back to me - errr...assuming it's a he :) ) wants to do a
story where the characters are newsies who've been stuck inside the arc
and are after the story of a lifetime. Say Iridios' newsies got some
tapes of footage they've been shooting out with a shadow group who
snuck into the arc. Either Ed was the fixer, or Ed's approached to help
distribute the tapes. He watches them, sees his relative, and...

Oh, what a tangled web we weave...:)

> Getting himself into a frenzy, he quickly cancels his appointments
(or some such thing) and tries to get some of his runner contacts to
make a foray into the Arc. Ed's only a middling level fixer though,
and either he doesn't know anyone who's hot enough to take the risk, or
the teams that could do it are busy (yeah, sounds flimsy, but I'll work
it out).

Maybe Ed's best team was the one who just got the tapes out of the arc,
but they just want a break after that last run.

> This goes on for a while. Ed's a Salish-Shidhe politician as well,
and he tries to get the Council worked up about the Arcology, but they
predictably decide to ignore the issue.
> Anyway, he tries and tries, and eventually his shadow reputation
starts to slip (since he's letting all his business slip, and treating
the teams who refused him like nobodies), and he is sent on a 'leave of
absence' from work (a 'shape up or you're fired' kinda thing). He gets
a tip from a street kid about an entrance to the Arc, but ends up
getting mugged.
> Finally, he finds a shadow team that's going in. He petitions the
one member he knows to search for his relative, and that member takes
it to the team. They refuse, and the fixer is left behind.
> The story ends with him studying a map he pirated from the team
that details the entrance, and him loading a gun.
>
> Ta-da! The story, as I've thought of it so far. RA:S is on order
(my freakin' store is sooo stupid...they didn't even order it until
yesterday, even though I placed the order Monday last week), so things
may change, but not too heavily, I think.
>
> The shadow team, of course, is the Shadow Team of core thread fame.
> And there's the major problem...does chronology matter? Will my
story contribute _anything_, since it's already known that the team
gets into the Arc?
> -Murder of One

Actually, I really like this idea, and chronology shouldn't be a big
problem.

Basically, the chronology should go like this:

Scott's story, as described above.
My story about the UCAS team.
Mockingbird's story about the Renraku team.
GreyWolf's story about the shadow team.
Everyone else's stories as appropriate.
Strago's story.
Finale.

Now, Iridios was thinking of splitting his idea into a two parter, in
which case, we'd probably use his first story as an intro to the rest,
as it would take place around about the time of the shutdown itself.

So Scott's story would introduce ONE member of the runner team, but
only to a limited degree, and establishes that the team is going into
the arc. Thus, it forwards the core threads and is good to go.

IMO. :)

GW, please get Scott a copy of your characters ASAP.
==Doc'
(aka Mr. Freaky Big, Super-Dynamic Troll of Tomorrow)

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Message no. 3
From: Dvixen dvixen@****.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 23:23:02 -0700
Where's my fiction????

I'm going away for a few days, and the Rabid Woodchucks will be VERY hungry
when I get back... Behave!

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Message no. 4
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 01:20:37 -0400 (EDT)
Here's me nagging again.

We're starting to progress here, but we could be doing things a bit
faster. So...

Mockingbird, I need DETAILED characters from you ASAP. GreyWolf, the
same - plus those drones.

Rat, Tamino, I'm still waiting on plot ideas from you two.

You four are the MOST urgent.

For the rest of you, I have plot outlines and from two of you I have
the beginnings of stories. If you haven't started writing yet, please
do so soon. If you HAVE started writing - keep going! :)

Later.
==Doc'
(aka Mr. Freaky Big, Super-Dynamic Troll of Tomorrow)

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Message no. 5
From: Ayla Renee AylaRenee@***********.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 08:18:48 -0500
I'v STARTED writing, but everything I start I'm not satisfied with. This
will only be the 3rd? Short Story I'v written to about 1, and 2 half
complete, still working on novels. You can tell what I'm used to writing.
Long winded and no limit on size... :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rand Ratinac <docwagon101@*****.com>
To: srfanfic@*********.org <srfanfic@*********.org>
Date: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 12:40 AM
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update


>Here's me nagging again.
>
>We're starting to progress here, but we could be doing things a bit
>faster. So...
>
>Mockingbird, I need DETAILED characters from you ASAP. GreyWolf, the
>same - plus those drones.
>
>Rat, Tamino, I'm still waiting on plot ideas from you two.
>
>You four are the MOST urgent.
>
>For the rest of you, I have plot outlines and from two of you I have
>the beginnings of stories. If you haven't started writing yet, please
>do so soon. If you HAVE started writing - keep going! :)
>
>Later.
>==>Doc'
>(aka Mr. Freaky Big, Super-Dynamic Troll of Tomorrow)
>
>.sig Sauer
>_________________________________________________________
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>
Message no. 6
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 22:31:06 -0400 (EDT)
> I'v STARTED writing, but everything I start I'm not satisfied with.
This will only be the 3rd? Short Story I'v written to about 1, and 2
half complete, still working on novels. You can tell what I'm used to
writing. Long winded and no limit on size... :-)

Renee, send me a copy and I'll go over it. Point out anything you're
particularly not pleased with. We'll see if there's anything we can do
with it.
==Doc'
(aka Mr. Freaky Big, Super-Dynamic Troll of Tomorrow)

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Message no. 7
From: Ayla Renee AylaRenee@***********.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 21:11:33 -0500
ost of it I'm just not satisfied with because its too long and I can't find
a way to cut it down. I'm used to 20,000 words minimum, not 8K max...

-----Original Message-----
From: Rand Ratinac <docwagon101@*****.com>
To: srfanfic@*********.org <srfanfic@*********.org>
Date: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [RA:S Project] Update


>> I'v STARTED writing, but everything I start I'm not satisfied with.
>This will only be the 3rd? Short Story I'v written to about 1, and 2
>half complete, still working on novels. You can tell what I'm used to
>writing. Long winded and no limit on size... :-)
>
>Renee, send me a copy and I'll go over it. Point out anything you're
>particularly not pleased with. We'll see if there's anything we can do
>with it.
>==>Doc'
>(aka Mr. Freaky Big, Super-Dynamic Troll of Tomorrow)
>
>.sig Sauer
>_________________________________________________________
>Do You Yahoo!?
>Get your free @*****.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>
>
Message no. 8
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:21:49 -0400 (EDT)
> ost of it I'm just not satisfied with because its
> too long and I can't find
> a way to cut it down. I'm used to 20,000 words
> minimum, not 8K max...

Well, you can go over somewhat, especially if some people do shorter
stories, but if we want to be published we're dealing with an 80k words
maximum, so 20k word stories are out.

Anyway, put it together. Aim for 10k or 12k or thereabouts and the
editors will do some cutting if necessary.
==Doc'
(aka Mr. Freaky Big, Super-Dynamic Troll of Tomorrow)

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Message no. 9
From: Ayla Renee AylaRenee@***********.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:06:01 -0500
Thats my plan, i need more info first though, ion what the shadow teams
doing.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rand Ratinac <docwagon101@*****.com>
To: srfanfic@*********.org <srfanfic@*********.org>
Date: Thursday, July 22, 1999 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: [RA:S Project] Update


>> ost of it I'm just not satisfied with because its
>> too long and I can't find
>> a way to cut it down. I'm used to 20,000 words
>> minimum, not 8K max...
>
>Well, you can go over somewhat, especially if some people do shorter
>stories, but if we want to be published we're dealing with an 80k words
>maximum, so 20k word stories are out.
>
>Anyway, put it together. Aim for 10k or 12k or thereabouts and the
>editors will do some cutting if necessary.
>==>Doc'
>(aka Mr. Freaky Big, Super-Dynamic Troll of Tomorrow)
>
>.sig Sauer
>_________________________________________________________
>Do You Yahoo!?
>Get your free @*****.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>
>
Message no. 10
From: Aaron Binns sparrow@***.net.au
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 09:35:56 +1000
> A fixer, name of...I dunno yet, let's say Ed, anyway, a fixer name of
> Ed sees some footage of the Renraku Arcology that some enterprising
> journalist has snuck off with (this may have to be altered after I read
> RA:S), and sees a shot of a relative of his that he thought was long
> dead. Getting himself into a frenzy, he quickly cancels his
> appointments (or some such thing) and tries to get some of his runner
> contacts to make a foray into the Arc. Ed's only a middling level
> fixer though, and either he doesn't know anyone who's hot enough to
> take the risk, or the teams that could do it are busy (yeah, sounds
> flimsy, but I'll work it out). This goes on for a while. Ed's a
> Salish-Shidhe politician as well, and he tries to get the Council
> worked up about the Arcology, but they predictably decide to ignore the issue.
> Anyway, he tries and tries, and eventually his shadow reputation
> starts to slip (since he's letting all his business slip, and treating
> the teams who refused him like nobodies), and he is sent on a 'leave of
> absence' from work (a 'shape up or you're fired' kinda thing). He gets
> a tip from a street kid about an entrance to the Arc, but ends up
> getting mugged.
> Finally, he finds a shadow team that's going in. He petitions the
> one member he knows to search for his relative, and that member takes
> it to the team. They refuse, and the fixer is left behind.
> The story ends with him studying a map he pirated from the team that
> details the entrance, and him loading a gun.
>
> Ta-da! The story, as I've thought of it so far. RA:S is on order (my
> freakin' store is sooo stupid...they didn't even order it until
> yesterday, even though I placed the order Monday last week), so things
> may change, but not too heavily, I think.
>
> The shadow team, of course, is the Shadow Team of core thread fame.
> And there's the major problem...does chronology matter? Will my story
> contribute _anything_, since it's already known that the team gets into
> the Arc?
>
> -Murder of One

I dunno - ask Rand about if it contributes.. but Ill send you the copy of the
group so far this afternoon.. Unfortunately Im really busy right now and cant stay
online too long - or at least not long enough to make the changes Rand asked for
in the shadow team and send it before this afternoon.. :)

GreyWolf
Message no. 11
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 23:26:21 -0700 (PDT)
> A fixer, name of...I dunno yet, let's say Ed, anyway, a fixer name
of Ed sees some footage of the Renraku Arcology that some enterprising
journalist has snuck off with (this may have to be altered after I read
RA:S), and sees a shot of a relative of his that he thought was long
dead.

Actually, this could tie in with another story. Iridios (if the boy
ever gets back to me - errr...assuming it's a he :) ) wants to do a
story where the characters are newsies who've been stuck inside the arc
and are after the story of a lifetime. Say Iridios' newsies got some
tapes of footage they've been shooting out with a shadow group who
snuck into the arc. Either Ed was the fixer, or Ed's approached to help
distribute the tapes. He watches them, sees his relative, and...

Oh, what a tangled web we weave...:)

> Getting himself into a frenzy, he quickly cancels his appointments
(or some such thing) and tries to get some of his runner contacts to
make a foray into the Arc. Ed's only a middling level fixer though,
and either he doesn't know anyone who's hot enough to take the risk, or
the teams that could do it are busy (yeah, sounds flimsy, but I'll work
it out).

Maybe Ed's best team was the one who just got the tapes out of the arc,
but they just want a break after that last run.

> This goes on for a while. Ed's a Salish-Shidhe politician as well,
and he tries to get the Council worked up about the Arcology, but they
predictably decide to ignore the issue.
> Anyway, he tries and tries, and eventually his shadow reputation
starts to slip (since he's letting all his business slip, and treating
the teams who refused him like nobodies), and he is sent on a 'leave of
absence' from work (a 'shape up or you're fired' kinda thing). He gets
a tip from a street kid about an entrance to the Arc, but ends up
getting mugged.
> Finally, he finds a shadow team that's going in. He petitions the
one member he knows to search for his relative, and that member takes
it to the team. They refuse, and the fixer is left behind.
> The story ends with him studying a map he pirated from the team
that details the entrance, and him loading a gun.
>
> Ta-da! The story, as I've thought of it so far. RA:S is on order
(my freakin' store is sooo stupid...they didn't even order it until
yesterday, even though I placed the order Monday last week), so things
may change, but not too heavily, I think.
>
> The shadow team, of course, is the Shadow Team of core thread fame.
> And there's the major problem...does chronology matter? Will my
story contribute _anything_, since it's already known that the team
gets into the Arc?
> -Murder of One

Actually, I really like this idea, and chronology shouldn't be a big
problem.

Basically, the chronology should go like this:

Scott's story, as described above.
My story about the UCAS team.
Mockingbird's story about the Renraku team.
GreyWolf's story about the shadow team.
Everyone else's stories as appropriate.
Strago's story.
Finale.

Now, Iridios was thinking of splitting his idea into a two parter, in
which case, we'd probably use his first story as an intro to the rest,
as it would take place around about the time of the shutdown itself.

So Scott's story would introduce ONE member of the runner team, but
only to a limited degree, and establishes that the team is going into
the arc. Thus, it forwards the core threads and is good to go.

IMO. :)

GW, please get Scott a copy of your characters ASAP.
==Doc'
(aka Mr. Freaky Big, Super-Dynamic Troll of Tomorrow)

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Message no. 12
From: Dvixen dvixen@****.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 23:23:02 -0700
Where's my fiction????

I'm going away for a few days, and the Rabid Woodchucks will be VERY hungry
when I get back... Behave!

--
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SRFanFic's Keeper of the Rabid Woodchuck!
Current challenge: A conversation between runners who just finished a
no-brainer job....
Message no. 13
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 01:20:37 -0400 (EDT)
Here's me nagging again.

We're starting to progress here, but we could be doing things a bit
faster. So...

Mockingbird, I need DETAILED characters from you ASAP. GreyWolf, the
same - plus those drones.

Rat, Tamino, I'm still waiting on plot ideas from you two.

You four are the MOST urgent.

For the rest of you, I have plot outlines and from two of you I have
the beginnings of stories. If you haven't started writing yet, please
do so soon. If you HAVE started writing - keep going! :)

Later.
==Doc'
(aka Mr. Freaky Big, Super-Dynamic Troll of Tomorrow)

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Message no. 14
From: Ayla Renee AylaRenee@***********.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 08:18:48 -0500
I'v STARTED writing, but everything I start I'm not satisfied with. This
will only be the 3rd? Short Story I'v written to about 1, and 2 half
complete, still working on novels. You can tell what I'm used to writing.
Long winded and no limit on size... :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rand Ratinac <docwagon101@*****.com>
To: srfanfic@*********.org <srfanfic@*********.org>
Date: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 12:40 AM
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update


>Here's me nagging again.
>
>We're starting to progress here, but we could be doing things a bit
>faster. So...
>
>Mockingbird, I need DETAILED characters from you ASAP. GreyWolf, the
>same - plus those drones.
>
>Rat, Tamino, I'm still waiting on plot ideas from you two.
>
>You four are the MOST urgent.
>
>For the rest of you, I have plot outlines and from two of you I have
>the beginnings of stories. If you haven't started writing yet, please
>do so soon. If you HAVE started writing - keep going! :)
>
>Later.
>==>Doc'
>(aka Mr. Freaky Big, Super-Dynamic Troll of Tomorrow)
>
>.sig Sauer
>_________________________________________________________
>Do You Yahoo!?
>Get your free @*****.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>
>
Message no. 15
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 22:31:06 -0400 (EDT)
> I'v STARTED writing, but everything I start I'm not satisfied with.
This will only be the 3rd? Short Story I'v written to about 1, and 2
half complete, still working on novels. You can tell what I'm used to
writing. Long winded and no limit on size... :-)

Renee, send me a copy and I'll go over it. Point out anything you're
particularly not pleased with. We'll see if there's anything we can do
with it.
==Doc'
(aka Mr. Freaky Big, Super-Dynamic Troll of Tomorrow)

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Message no. 16
From: Ayla Renee AylaRenee@***********.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 21:11:33 -0500
ost of it I'm just not satisfied with because its too long and I can't find
a way to cut it down. I'm used to 20,000 words minimum, not 8K max...

-----Original Message-----
From: Rand Ratinac <docwagon101@*****.com>
To: srfanfic@*********.org <srfanfic@*********.org>
Date: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [RA:S Project] Update


>> I'v STARTED writing, but everything I start I'm not satisfied with.
>This will only be the 3rd? Short Story I'v written to about 1, and 2
>half complete, still working on novels. You can tell what I'm used to
>writing. Long winded and no limit on size... :-)
>
>Renee, send me a copy and I'll go over it. Point out anything you're
>particularly not pleased with. We'll see if there's anything we can do
>with it.
>==>Doc'
>(aka Mr. Freaky Big, Super-Dynamic Troll of Tomorrow)
>
>.sig Sauer
>_________________________________________________________
>Do You Yahoo!?
>Get your free @*****.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>
>
Message no. 17
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:21:49 -0400 (EDT)
> ost of it I'm just not satisfied with because its
> too long and I can't find
> a way to cut it down. I'm used to 20,000 words
> minimum, not 8K max...

Well, you can go over somewhat, especially if some people do shorter
stories, but if we want to be published we're dealing with an 80k words
maximum, so 20k word stories are out.

Anyway, put it together. Aim for 10k or 12k or thereabouts and the
editors will do some cutting if necessary.
==Doc'
(aka Mr. Freaky Big, Super-Dynamic Troll of Tomorrow)

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Message no. 18
From: Ayla Renee AylaRenee@***********.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:06:01 -0500
Thats my plan, i need more info first though, ion what the shadow teams
doing.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rand Ratinac <docwagon101@*****.com>
To: srfanfic@*********.org <srfanfic@*********.org>
Date: Thursday, July 22, 1999 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: [RA:S Project] Update


>> ost of it I'm just not satisfied with because its
>> too long and I can't find
>> a way to cut it down. I'm used to 20,000 words
>> minimum, not 8K max...
>
>Well, you can go over somewhat, especially if some people do shorter
>stories, but if we want to be published we're dealing with an 80k words
>maximum, so 20k word stories are out.
>
>Anyway, put it together. Aim for 10k or 12k or thereabouts and the
>editors will do some cutting if necessary.
>==>Doc'
>(aka Mr. Freaky Big, Super-Dynamic Troll of Tomorrow)
>
>.sig Sauer
>_________________________________________________________
>Do You Yahoo!?
>Get your free @*****.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>
>
Message no. 19
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 19:31:40 -0700 (PDT)
People,

I got this from that nice man ( :) ) Razor's Edge...

=========The renraku Red samurai (loyal and outside the arc)
have contol of the first five floors of the SCRIE.
This is in Corporate Download in the Renraku section.
Thought you may want to know. The time of posting is
aprox. March 3rd 2061.
=========
This will obviously necessitate some changes. As I see it, not a lot,
though. The shadow team would still be unwelcome, so they would have to
penetrate the arc AND the Renraku-held levels if they entered from the
basement or ground levels. The Renraku team now has a secure staging
area inside the arc, so they wouldn't have to deal with getting all the
way in or out. The UCAS team...well, that's debatable. They may want to
do things quietly too (to keep Renraku from knowing they're trying to
get Cliber out). More likely though (IMO) is that they ALSO go openly
from the secure Renraku staging area, as they're just going to do
something to help everyone, not to stuff Renraku. Meanwhile, though,
when Renraku finds out about this, they set up their own team with the
express purpose of screwing the UCAS.

Yeah...I kinda like that. How's this for a slightly altered premise?
UCAS decides to get Cliber out so they can work on Deus. They tell
Renraku, because they want to stage out of the Renraku-held levels.
Renraku agrees, but secretly activates a black ops team (the second
team in the story) with orders to ambush the UCAS team, get Cliber and,
if possible, wipe the UCASers out. They do this because, as suggested
previously, they don't want the UCAS getting their hands on the secrets
she knows and they want to try to solve the problem themselves.

Sound good?
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From: Aaron Binns sparrow@***.net.au
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 12:41:59 +1000
sounds very good :)

GreyWolf

Rand Ratinac wrote:

> People,
>
> I got this from that nice man ( :) ) Razor's Edge...
>
> =========> The renraku Red samurai (loyal and outside the arc)
> have contol of the first five floors of the SCRIE.
> This is in Corporate Download in the Renraku section.
> Thought you may want to know. The time of posting is
> aprox. March 3rd 2061.
> =========>
> This will obviously necessitate some changes. As I see it, not a lot,
> though. The shadow team would still be unwelcome, so they would have to
> penetrate the arc AND the Renraku-held levels if they entered from the
> basement or ground levels. The Renraku team now has a secure staging
> area inside the arc, so they wouldn't have to deal with getting all the
> way in or out. The UCAS team...well, that's debatable. They may want to
> do things quietly too (to keep Renraku from knowing they're trying to
> get Cliber out). More likely though (IMO) is that they ALSO go openly
> from the secure Renraku staging area, as they're just going to do
> something to help everyone, not to stuff Renraku. Meanwhile, though,
> when Renraku finds out about this, they set up their own team with the
> express purpose of screwing the UCAS.
>
> Yeah...I kinda like that. How's this for a slightly altered premise?
> UCAS decides to get Cliber out so they can work on Deus. They tell
> Renraku, because they want to stage out of the Renraku-held levels.
> Renraku agrees, but secretly activates a black ops team (the second
> team in the story) with orders to ambush the UCAS team, get Cliber and,
> if possible, wipe the UCASers out. They do this because, as suggested
> previously, they don't want the UCAS getting their hands on the secrets
> she knows and they want to try to solve the problem themselves.
>
> Sound good?
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From: Scott Wheelock iscottw@*****.nb.ca
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 23:55:53 -0300
"And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to Rand Ratinac."
] This will obviously necessitate some changes.

So, we're setting this in 2061?

] Yeah...I kinda like that. How's this for a slightly altered premise?
] UCAS decides to get Cliber out so they can work on Deus. They tell
] Renraku, because they want to stage out of the Renraku-held levels.
] Renraku agrees, but secretly activates a black ops team (the second
] team in the story) with orders to ambush the UCAS team, get Cliber and,
] if possible, wipe the UCASers out. They do this because, as suggested
] previously, they don't want the UCAS getting their hands on the secrets
] she knows and they want to try to solve the problem themselves.
]
] Sound good?

Geez, this makes more sense than the original :) The shadow team
still feels kinda superfluous, though. They aren't going to tie in
with the other core threads at all?

-Murder of One
Message no. 22
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 20:19:20 -0700 (PDT)
> So, we're setting this in 2061?

Yes, I think we have to keep this RELATIVELY current if we want to be
published.

> Geez, this makes more sense than the original :) The shadow team
still feels kinda superfluous, though. They aren't going to tie in
with the other core threads at all?
> -Murder of One

Yes and no. Originally, they're going in separately after a separate
target and, while they MAY meet up with the other teams in non-core
stories (depending on what the author wants to do), they will
DEFINITELY all come together at the end...in some way. The idea is that
all three threads will intertwine and come to a conclusion together.

Strago, you might want to consider having the UCAS team link up with
the shadow team in your story, because the shadow team approaches the
resistence cell the UCAS survivors are with, asking for help.
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Message no. 23
From: Scott Wheelock iscottw@*****.nb.ca
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 00:18:59 -0300
"And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to Rand Ratinac."
] Yes and no. Originally, they're going in separately after a separate
] target and, while they MAY meet up with the other teams in non-core
] stories (depending on what the author wants to do), they will
] DEFINITELY all come together at the end...in some way. The idea is that
] all three threads will intertwine and come to a conclusion together.
]
] Strago, you might want to consider having the UCAS team link up with
] the shadow team in your story, because the shadow team approaches the
] resistence cell the UCAS survivors are with, asking for help.

Yeah, and maybe the Resistance cell says "Go screw yourselves, both
of you. You're ducking out on all the people left in here, so we're
not going to give you any more help than you deserve." Or something to
that effect, so then the shadow team and the UCAS team have to depend
on each other.
Thoughts?

-Murder of One
Message no. 24
From: Aaron Binns sparrow@***.net.au
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 13:31:56 +1000
Rand Ratinac wrote:

> > So, we're setting this in 2061?
>
> Yes, I think we have to keep this RELATIVELY current if we want to be
> published.
>
> > Geez, this makes more sense than the original :) The shadow team
> still feels kinda superfluous, though. They aren't going to tie in
> with the other core threads at all?
> > -Murder of One
>
> Yes and no. Originally, they're going in separately after a separate
> target and, while they MAY meet up with the other teams in non-core
> stories (depending on what the author wants to do), they will
> DEFINITELY all come together at the end...in some way. The idea is that
> all three threads will intertwine and come to a conclusion together.
>
> Strago, you might want to consider having the UCAS team link up with
> the shadow team in your story, because the shadow team approaches the
> resistence cell the UCAS survivors are with, asking for help.

Doc' how many volunteers have there been to write the core stories?

I expect you'll let ppl know who is doing what when you know about it.

GreyWolf
Message no. 25
From: noone youknow masquerades@****.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 20:45:11 -0700
|Yeah...I kinda like that. How's this for a slightly altered
premise?
|UCAS decides to get Cliber out so they can work on Deus. They
tell
|Renraku, because they want to stage out of the Renraku-held
levels.
|Renraku agrees, but secretly activates a black ops team (the
second
|team in the story) with orders to ambush the UCAS team, get
Cliber and,
|if possible, wipe the UCASers out. They do this because, as
suggested
|previously, they don't want the UCAS getting their hands on the
secrets
|she knows and they want to try to solve the problem themselves.
|Sound good?
|==|Doc'


i don't know about this one. i am pretty sure that Renraku would
just tell the UCAS to frag off and mind their own beeswax. IMHO
<grin> they would not let any UCAS people in, much less a
special forces team. it would make more sense for them to just
try and go in undercover and do what they have to, without
telling Renraku.

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Message no. 26
From: CEvans9159@***.com CEvans9159@***.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 23:50:13 EDT
In a message dated 6/15/99 8:49:14 PM, masquerades@****.com writes:

>i don't know about this one. i am pretty sure that Renraku would
>
>just tell the UCAS to frag off and mind their own beeswax. IMHO
>
><grin> they would not let any UCAS people in, much less a
>
>special forces team. it would make more sense for them to just
>
>try and go in undercover and do what they have to, without
>
>telling Renraku.
>


I agree.
Message no. 27
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 20:58:12 -0700 (PDT)
> ] Strago, you might want to consider having the UCAS
> team link up with
> ] the shadow team in your story, because the shadow
> team approaches the
> ] resistence cell the UCAS survivors are with,
> asking for help.
>
> Yeah, and maybe the Resistance cell says "Go screw yourselves, both
of you. You're ducking out on all the people left in here, so we're
not going to give you any more help than you deserve." Or something to
that effect, so then the shadow team and the UCAS team have to depend
on each other.
> Thoughts?
> -Murder of One

Interesting, but not particularly feasible. If that happens, how are
the two teams going to meet? They'd have to both run into the same
resistance cell at the same time in the same place, both get rejected,
then both decide to join forces.

Also, that isn't how the resistance works. They look for ANY help they
can get, short term or no. They're trying to get people out, so, even
if the UCAS team and the shadow team DON'T come back, at the very least
they're going to be freeing two more people from Deus if they're
successful. Yeah, some hotheads might not like them, but cooler heads
will prevail.
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Message no. 28
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 21:07:42 -0700 (PDT)
> i don't know about this one. i am pretty sure that Renraku would just
tell the UCAS to frag off and mind their own beeswax. IMHO <grin> they
would not let any UCAS people in, much less a special forces team. it
would make more sense for them to just try and go in undercover and do
what they have to, without telling Renraku.
> david, one of the volunteer editors

You're forgetting that corp extraterritoriality has been more or less
suspended in this circumstance. The UCAS has told Renraku, "Because of
your negligence, over 3 million of our citizens are in jeopardy. We're
in charge now and if you screw with us, we'll screw you back so bad
you'll never be able to sit down again. And NO ONE, not even the
corporate court, will stop us." More or less. :)

From what I can tell, right now Renraku is in 'compliance' mode. They
do what they can and (probably) what they want, but the UCAS is the
senior partner (with army detachments plonked all around the arc,
that's not particularly surprising). If Renraku DOES want to screw with
the UCAS, they'll do it VERY carefully and VERY quietly. Telling the
UCAS to "bugger off" does not strike me as a viable option.

Normally, David, I'd agree with you. But not where the arc is
concerned. The UCAS military is IN CHARGE and that's made very plain in
RA:S.

Does that make sense?
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Message no. 29
From: Strago strago@***.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 00:52:28 -0400
Scott Wheelock wrote:

> <SNIP>
> ] Strago, you might want to consider having the UCAS team link up with
> ] the shadow team in your story, because the shadow team approaches the
> ] resistence cell the UCAS survivors are with, asking for help.
>
> Yeah, and maybe the Resistance cell says "Go screw yourselves, both
> of you. You're ducking out on all the people left in here, so we're
> not going to give you any more help than you deserve." Or something to
> that effect, so then the shadow team and the UCAS team have to depend
> on each other.
> Thoughts?
>
> -Murder of One

<pout mode>
Would everyone stop telling me what to do with my story?
</pout mode>

Seriously, it sounds like a good thing to do would be to have my story
kinda be the wrap-up story. It'll intersect every thread, and every
intersection will be relatively major. That way, we wouldn't have to do some
sort of group end-story. Just a suggestion.
A question: are all stories concurrent? I mean, if non-thread Story A
takes place on Monday at 11:00, does Story B take place later on Monday or on
Tuesday, or do certain events take place on Monday at 11:00 as well?

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Message no. 30
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 00:11:17 -0700 (PDT)
> Doc' how many volunteers have there been to write
> the core stories?
>
> I expect you'll let ppl know who is doing what when
> you know about it.
>
> GreyWolf

As of now, only GreyWolf and Mockingbird have volunteered to write the
introductory core stories (shadow team and Renraku respectively).

Do we have any more volunteers?

Yes, I'll try to keep everyone as up-to-date on what they're expected
to do as best I can.
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Message no. 31
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 00:10:45 -0700 (PDT)
> >i don't know about this one. i am pretty sure that Renraku would
just tell the UCAS to frag off and mind their own beeswax. IMHO <grin>
they would not let any UCAS people in, much less a special forces team.
it would make more sense for them to just try and go in undercover and
do what they have to, without telling Renraku.
>
> I agree.

Well, you've seen my reasoning regarding this. I think that what RA:S
says makes in plain that Renraku is not in a position to refuse the
UCAS military anything as far as the arc is concerned at this point of
time. It's possible that their takeover of part of the arc has
stiffened their spine somewhat, but I still think that, with a whole
bunch of UCAS army guys parked on their doorstep, Renraku is going to
be more compliant than usual.

Anyway, look at it this way. Renraku refuses the UCAS access to the
arc. UCAS threatens to let everyone know just how badly it is that
they've screwed things up with the arc. Renraku...continues to refuse?
Nuh-uh - methinks Renraku caves in - at least officially.
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Message no. 32
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 00:25:33 -0700 (PDT)
> <pout mode>
> Would everyone stop telling me what to do with my story?
> </pout mode>
>
> Seriously, it sounds like a good thing to do would be to have my
story kinda be the wrap-up story. It'll intersect every thread, and
every intersection will be relatively major. That way, we wouldn't have
to do some sort of group end-story. Just a suggestion.

Well, you've seen what I've said about the ending story, but nothing's
set in stone. Write it how you want to, but be prepared for major
changes.

> A question: are all stories concurrent? I mean, if non-thread
Story A takes place on Monday at 11:00, does Story B take place later
on Monday or on Tuesday, or do certain events take place on Monday at
11:00 as well?
> --Strago

It all depends on the stories themselves. I can't say at this time.
Stories may or may not overlap. Stories are ALLOWED to overlap - or
stories can take place at quiet varied times (well, within the space of
three or four days at most, probably). Hmmm...rephrase. Anything in
side stories that takes place WHILE the teams are inside the arc must
happen within the space of three to four days - or possibly less.
Anything in them that happens OUTSIDE of that time (for instance,
Scott's fixer who's trying to get a team together to go into the arc,
or Iridios' news team that gets stuck inside when Deus takes over) can
happen pretty much whenver the writer wants it to happen.
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Message no. 33
From: Scott Wheelock iscottw@*****.nb.ca
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:39:59 -0300
"And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to Rand Ratinac."
] > Yeah, and maybe the Resistance cell says "Go screw yourselves, both
] of you. You're ducking out on all the people left in here, so we're
] not going to give you any more help than you deserve." Or something to
] that effect, so then the shadow team and the UCAS team have to depend
] on each other.
] > Thoughts?
] > -Murder of One
]
] Also, that isn't how the resistance works. They look for ANY help they
] can get, short term or no. They're trying to get people out, so, even
] if the UCAS team and the shadow team DON'T come back, at the very least
] they're going to be freeing two more people from Deus if they're
] successful. Yeah, some hotheads might not like them, but cooler heads
] will prevail.

Oh. I guess it would help to read the thing, eh? I ordered it
though, so I'm trying! The way my gaming store works, it should be
here in about three weeks, but I don't think we'll be done by then
anyway, so that's cool :)

-Murder of One
Message no. 34
From: Iridios iridios@*********.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:26:03 -0400
Rand Ratinac wrote:
>
> People,
>
> I got this from that nice man ( :) ) Razor's Edge...
>
> =========> The renraku Red samurai (loyal and outside the arc)
> have contol of the first five floors of the SCRIE.

I know you got this second hand, so you might not have an answer right
away. Do these five floors start counting from ground level, or from
the lowest sub-basement? Just curious.

> This is in Corporate Download in the Renraku section.
> Thought you may want to know. The time of posting is
> aprox. March 3rd 2061.
> =========>

<snip premise>

> Sound good?

Works for me. :)


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Message no. 35
From: Iridios iridios@*********.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:31:21 -0400
noone youknow wrote:

<snip>

> i don't know about this one. i am pretty sure that Renraku would
> just tell the UCAS to frag off and mind their own beeswax. IMHO
> <grin> they would not let any UCAS people in, much less a
> special forces team. it would make more sense for them to just
> try and go in undercover and do what they have to, without
> telling Renraku.

The Arc is a really large building. Way too much space to cover to
leave it to *just* Renraku staff. I can see Reraku not allowing any
other corporate support, and I can see Renraku demanding background
checks on any UCAS member preparing to enter the Arc just to ensure
that there is no Ares plant in the UCAS team. And lastly, I can see
Renraku dragging their feet and just plain refusing to give the UCAS
team any info that might help them get to Cliber, even to the point of
trying to make the UCAS team operate under Renraku Command.


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Message no. 36
From: Mockingbird mockingbird@*********.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:02:21 -0500
Hi,
Here's my fifteen minute plot. Renraku sends two teams, the first is to
get out Cliber. The second team is a small force set up to try to shutdown,
reboot or whatever to Deus to slow him down, stop him until Team Alpha can
get Cliber out. Team Alpha also (possibly) has a secondary order of
arranging an "accident" for the UCAS goons. My general thought was to have
Team Beta fail (decker killed) and have the end of my story being Team
Alpha's notification of Team Beta's situation.

Now to the cast.

Renraku Black Ops

Team Alpha
Human Female Combat shaman - Shark
Drone Rigger
Security Rigger
Physad
Demolitions Expert/Cybergoon

Team Beta
Snake Shaman
Combat Decker
Troll Heavy Weapons Specialist

Team Alpha will have small weapons mostly (SMG's) with the Cybergoon having
a larger weapon (ideas?). Team Beta will have heavier weapons as their
mission involves sneaking into a Deus controled area and holing up while the
decker hacks Deus. I am thinking the HWS will have either a PAC or HMG and
maybe a couple of turrents (on the assumption that Deus will sense the
decker and send Drones at them).

Thoughts?

Mockingbird
(who plays a Wookie HWS in an another life)
Message no. 37
From: noone youknow masquerades@****.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:19:40 -0700
|You're forgetting that corp extraterritoriality has been more
or less
|suspended in this circumstance. The UCAS has told Renraku,
"Because of
|your negligence, over 3 million of our citizens are in
jeopardy. We're
|in charge now and if you screw with us, we'll screw you back so
bad
|you'll never be able to sit down again. And NO ONE, not even
the
|corporate court, will stop us." More or less. :)
|
|From what I can tell, right now Renraku is in 'compliance'
mode. They
|do what they can and (probably) what they want, but the UCAS is
the
|senior partner (with army detachments plonked all around the
arc,
|that's not particularly surprising). If Renraku DOES want to
screw with
|the UCAS, they'll do it VERY carefully and VERY quietly.
Telling the
|UCAS to "bugger off" does not strike me as a viable option.
|
|Normally, David, I'd agree with you. But not where the arc is
|concerned. The UCAS military is IN CHARGE and that's made very
plain in
|RA:S.
|
|Does that make sense?
|==|Doc'


yes, it does make sense now. i do not have RA:S, i am here just
to edit stories for people, so i am not knowledgeable on the
circumstances so feel more than free to correct me on things
like this :)

david
Message no. 38
From: Scott Wheelock iscottw@*****.nb.ca
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 21:57:19 -0300
"And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to Mockingbird."
] Hi,
] Here's my fifteen minute plot. Renraku sends two teams, the first is to
] get out Cliber. The second team is a small force set up to try to shutdown,
] reboot or whatever to Deus to slow him down, stop him until Team Alpha can
] get Cliber out. Team Alpha also (possibly) has a secondary order of
] arranging an "accident" for the UCAS goons. My general thought was to have
] Team Beta fail (decker killed) and have the end of my story being Team
] Alpha's notification of Team Beta's situation.

My goodness....four core threads! The rest of us are going to move
which team along in our stories?

] Now to the cast.
]
] Renraku Black Ops
]
] Team Alpha
] Human Female Combat shaman - Shark
] Drone Rigger
] Security Rigger
] Physad
] Demolitions Expert/Cybergoon
]
] Team Beta
] Snake Shaman
] Combat Decker
] Troll Heavy Weapons Specialist
]
] Team Alpha will have small weapons mostly (SMG's) with the Cybergoon having
] a larger weapon (ideas?). Team Beta will have heavier weapons as their
] mission involves sneaking into a Deus controled area and holing up while the
] decker hacks Deus. I am thinking the HWS will have either a PAC or HMG and
] maybe a couple of turrents (on the assumption that Deus will sense the
] decker and send Drones at them).

Well, if team Beta's meant to be noisy, I can see the big guns.
What's a security rigger do again?

-Murder of One
Message no. 39
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:16:58 -0700 (PDT)
> Here's my fifteen minute plot. Renraku sends two teams, the
first is to get out Cliber. The second team is a small force set up to
try to shutdown, reboot or whatever to Deus to slow him down, stop him
until Team Alpha can get Cliber out. Team Alpha also (possibly) has a
secondary order of arranging an "accident" for the UCAS goons. My
general thought was to have Team Beta fail (decker killed) and have the
end of my story being Team Alpha's notification of Team Beta's
situation.

Errr...that's a bit ambitious. I'm sure Renraku's already had their
best deckers trying to hack Deus to no avail. A different possibility
for Beta team - snake shaman for magical support and healing - that's
fine. Combat decker - change that to a standard decker operating from
Renraku-held territory inside the arc. Make it two or three heavy
weapons guys (of whatever metatype - trolls are good). Remember, this
is Renraku, so metahumans tend to be expendable. They're supposed to go
in and blow the hell out of whatever they can find, while the decker
just stuffs around as much as he can. Having all (or most) of them
getting hosed is good.

As for Alpha team's objectives...well, I think their primary goal would
have to be to get Cliber AND kill the UCAS squad. Look at it like this
- Renraku knows that the UCAS is going in to get Cliber, because the
UCAS is staging out of their territory. They DON'T know where Cliber is
going to be in the arc, because the UCAS is certainly not going to tell
them. So they have to follow the UCAS team. Once they link up with
Cliber, the Renraku team can strike.

Another possibility - after hearing about what the UCAS is doing,
Renraku manages to contact Cliber and sets up their OWN meet. Cliber
tells them to meet her in the same place as the UCAS team. She'll leave
with whoever gets to her first, although she doesn't tell the UCAS or
Renraku that. UCAS team arrives first, so the Renraku team HAS to
ambush them to get Cliber.

> Now to the cast.
>
> Renraku Black Ops
>
> Team Alpha
> Human Female Combat shaman - Shark
> Drone Rigger
> Security Rigger
> Physad
> Demolitions Expert/Cybergoon
>
> Team Beta
> Snake Shaman
> Combat Decker
> Troll Heavy Weapons Specialist
>
> Team Alpha will have small weapons mostly (SMG's) with the Cybergoon
having a larger weapon (ideas?).

Assault rifle. Combat shotgun. Laser weapon. Ummm...I don't think a
security rigger is going to be much use, unless he can also rig drones.
The arc isn't a rigged system, it's a computer system controlled by the
AEP, which has now become Deus.

> Team Beta will have heavier weapons as their mission involves
sneaking into a Deus controled area and holing up while the decker
hacks Deus. I am thinking the HWS will have either a PAC or HMG and
maybe a couple of turrents (on the assumption that Deus will sense the
decker and send Drones at them).

If there's only one, make in an HMG. The drones aren't THAT heavily
armoured and a weapon capable of FA fire is going to be of more use. If
there's more of them, arm them how you wish. Btw, turrents? I suppose
you mean turrets...but on what?
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Message no. 40
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:29:57 -0700 (PDT)
> My goodness....four core threads! The rest of us are going to move
which team along in our stories?

*lol* Team Alpha, Scott. Team Beta will NOT survive the story - things
are already complex enough as is. At the very least, the survivors will
be forced to bug out by overwhelming opposition.

> Well, if team Beta's meant to be noisy, I can see the big guns.
What's a security rigger do again?
> -Murder of One

If Mockingbird's talking about the 'by-the-book' definition, the
security rigger is the guy who controls a building's security system
like it was a vehicle. That process is described in Corporate Security
Handbook. As I've already mentioned, though, I do believe the arc is a
computer-controlled system, not a rigger controlled one - that's why
they developed the AEP in the first place.
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From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:57:06 -0700 (PDT)
> I know you got this second hand, so you might not have an answer
right away. Do these five floors start counting from ground level, or
from the lowest sub-basement? Just curious.

Don't know. From what people are joking about on the list, it sounds
like Renraku has the mall levels under control, which would be 1 to 6.
They only have five, though, so I'd GUESS they'd have ground to level
five.

After all, how would they have gotten into the subbasement levels
without going through the arc itself? At least in sufficient numbers to
take over...

And one other thing - the fusion reactors are in the subbasement levels
- if Renraku had control of them, it'd all be over - they could shut
the arc down.
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Message no. 42
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 19:00:58 -0700 (PDT)
> The Arc is a really large building. Way too much space to cover to
leave it to *just* Renraku staff. I can see Reraku not allowing any
other corporate support,

Hell yes.

> and I can see Renraku demanding background checks on any UCAS member
preparing to enter the Arc just to ensure that there is no Ares plant
in the UCAS team.

And I can see the UCAS telling Renraku to get stuffed, Renraku thinking
about it and the overall situation, and then capitulating. :)

> And lastly, I can see Renraku dragging their feet and just plain
refusing to give the UCAS team any info that might help them get to
Cliber, even to the point of trying to make the UCAS team operate under
Renraku Command.
> Iridios

I can see them TRYING that, but I can't see it working. The UCAS would
NOT agree to this as, for operation purposes, Renraku Command is under
UCAS jurisdiction. That may have changed with the events of the Corp
Download, but I'm sure the UCAS could still make things difficult
enough for Renraku that Renraku's best bet is to agree to demands like
this and then work against them covertly.

Would you agree?
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Message no. 43
From: Iridios iridios@*********.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 08:49:05 -0400
Rand Ratinac wrote:
>
> > I know you got this second hand, so you might not have an answer
> right away. Do these five floors start counting from ground level, or
> from the lowest sub-basement? Just curious.
>
> Don't know. From what people are joking about on the list, it sounds
> like Renraku has the mall levels under control, which would be 1 to 6.
> They only have five, though, so I'd GUESS they'd have ground to level
> five.

If this is the case, then the Red Samurai are in a Fugly situation
having to defend two borders from Deus. I was under the impression
that at least some of the sub-basement levels were parking garages
(like the one the Ork Underground broke into).

>
> After all, how would they have gotten into the subbasement levels
> without going through the arc itself? At least in sufficient numbers to
> take over...
>
> And one other thing - the fusion reactors are in the subbasement levels
> - if Renraku had control of them, it'd all be over - they could shut
> the arc down.

It is possible to have sub-basement levels open to the public
(garages) and other areas only accesible from within the Arc. The
reactors would most likely have a secure access from within a
different area of the arc.


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Message no. 44
From: Mockingbird mockingbird@*********.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 13:36:27 -0500
----- Original Message -----
From: Rand Ratinac <docwagon101@*****.com>
To: <srfanfic@*********.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: [RA:S Project] Update


> Errr...that's a bit ambitious. I'm sure Renraku's already had their
> best deckers trying to hack Deus to no avail. A different possibility
> for Beta team - snake shaman for magical support and healing - that's
> fine. Combat decker - change that to a standard decker operating from
> Renraku-held territory inside the arc. Make it two or three heavy
> weapons guys (of whatever metatype - trolls are good). Remember, this
> is Renraku, so metahumans tend to be expendable. They're supposed to go
> in and blow the hell out of whatever they can find, while the decker
> just stuffs around as much as he can. Having all (or most) of them
> getting hosed is good.

My original thought was that Beta teams job was to infiltrate onto a Deus
controlled level and try to hack from there, the idea being that the decker
wouldn't have to deal with the IC protecting Deus from outside his
controlled area (ie the Arcology minus the five levels retaken by Red
Sam's).

> > Now to the cast.
> >
> > Renraku Black Ops
> >
> > Team Alpha
> > Human Female Combat shaman - Shark
> > Drone Rigger
> > Security Rigger
> > Physad
> > Demolitions Expert/Cybergoon
> >
> > Team Beta
> > Snake Shaman
> > Combat Decker
> > Troll Heavy Weapons Specialist
> >
> > Team Alpha will have small weapons mostly (SMG's) with the Cybergoon
> having a larger weapon (ideas?).
>
> Assault rifle. Combat shotgun. Laser weapon. Ummm...I don't think a
> security rigger is going to be much use, unless he can also rig drones.
> The arc isn't a rigged system, it's a computer system controlled by the
> AEP, which has now become Deus.
>

My bad, was figuring it was CSS, hence the security rigger.

> > Team Beta will have heavier weapons as their mission involves
> sneaking into a Deus controled area and holing up while the decker
> hacks Deus. I am thinking the HWS will have either a PAC or HMG and
> maybe a couple of turrents (on the assumption that Deus will sense the
> decker and send Drones at them).
>
> If there's only one, make in an HMG. The drones aren't THAT heavily
> armoured and a weapon capable of FA fire is going to be of more use. If
> there's more of them, arm them how you wish. Btw, turrents? I suppose
> you mean turrets...but on what?
> ==
On their own. My original thought was that Team Beta would get into a Deus
controlled level (say level 10), find a nice hideyhole, the HWS sets up a
couble of turrets and his Big Gun to keep the drones away while the decker
hacks, the shaman keeps everyone alive and deals with magical threats.
Eventually Deus turns the deckers brain to goo and the mission aborts. Of
course, this was only an idea and if no one else likes it, its gone.

> Doc'
> (aka Mr. Freaky Big, Super-Dynamic Troll of Tomorrow)
>

Mockingbird
Message no. 45
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 19:29:35 -0700 (PDT)
> If this is the case, then the Red Samurai are in a Fugly situation
having to defend two borders from Deus.

Very much so, but I do believe this to be the case.

> I was under the impression that at least some of the sub-basement
levels were parking garages (like the one the Ork Underground broke
into).

They are, but only the top few. *sigh* Should've checked RA:S last
night.

> It is possible to have sub-basement levels open to the public
(garages) and other areas only accesible from within the Arc.

Like I said, that's only the top few. The bottom ones (there are 13 or
15, IIRC) are sealed off in some way from the upper ones (really tight
security or something). Can anyone check me on this? I might not
remember to look.

> The reactors would most likely have a secure access from within a
different area of the arc.

That'd be my guess - but they ARE in the lower subbasements. The Red
Samurai COULD have taken the garage levels, but that'd probably be it.
I still think it's most likely they'll have taken the ground floors. If
someone gets (or has) Corp Shadowfiles, can you check?
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Message no. 46
From: Kismet kismet_sr@*****.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 19:58:16 -0700 (PDT)
--- Rand Ratinac <docwagon101@*****.com> wrote:

> That'd be my guess - but they ARE in the lower
> subbasements. The Red
> Samurai COULD have taken the garage levels, but
> that'd probably be it.
> I still think it's most likely they'll have taken
> the ground floors. If
> someone gets (or has) Corp Shadowfiles, can you
> check?
> ==> Doc'


I bought Corporate Download yesterday, I have no idea
where the 5 floor idea is coming from. the only
mention of the reclaiming that I found was this
sentence on page 75. It is talking about spin
doctoring and then it says "Combine that with the fact
that the Red Samurai are currently reclaiming the arc
- in a bloody floor-by-floor nightmare of a battle-
and Renraku's stock is already climbing out of the
gutter"

That is all it says. Unless I am going insane (it's
possible I just found out that I'm pregnant). If
someone could tell me where it says 5 floors? Thats
the only place I could find mention of the arc
situation.

Hope that helps Doc,
Kismet

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Message no. 47
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:05:40 -0700 (PDT)
> I bought Corporate Download yesterday, I have no idea where the 5
floor idea is coming from. the only mention of the reclaiming that I
found was this sentence on page 75. It is talking about spin doctoring
and then it says "Combine that with the fact that the Red Samurai are
currently reclaiming the arc - in a bloody floor-by-floor nightmare of
a battle- and Renraku's stock is already climbing out of the gutter"
>
> That is all it says. Unless I am going insane (it's possible I just
found out that I'm pregnant). If someone could tell me where it says 5
floors? Thats the only place I could find mention of the arc situation.
>
> Hope that helps Doc,
> Kismet

First of all, Kismet, congratulations!!

I think.

8-)

Secondly, someone was telling me something about a section in the
Renraku text from the point of view of one of the Red Samurai.
Apparently that's where the 'five floors' data comes from.
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Message no. 48
From: Scott Wheelock iscottw@*****.nb.ca
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 00:06:48 -0300
"And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to Kismet."
] That is all it says. Unless I am going insane (it's
] possible I just found out that I'm pregnant).

If that's a good thing, then CONGRATULATIONS!!!! (I sure hope it's a
good thing)

-Murder of One
Message no. 49
From: Kismet kismet_sr@*****.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:39:32 -0700 (PDT)
--- Rand Ratinac <docwagon101@*****.com> wrote:
> > I bought Corporate Download yesterday, I have no
> idea where the 5
> floor idea is coming from. the only mention of the
> reclaiming that I
> found was this sentence on page 75. It is talking
> about spin doctoring
> and then it says "Combine that with the fact that
> the Red Samurai are
> currently reclaiming the arc - in a bloody
> floor-by-floor nightmare of
> a battle- and Renraku's stock is already climbing
> out of the gutter"
> >
> > That is all it says. Unless I am going insane
> (it's possible I just
> found out that I'm pregnant). If someone could tell
> me where it says 5
> floors? Thats the only place I could find mention of
> the arc situation.
> >
> > Hope that helps Doc,
> > Kismet
>
> First of all, Kismet, congratulations!!
>
> I think.
>
> 8-)

Thanks! It is a Good thing! We are very surprised. I
have a 9 mo old and we weren't expecting to give him a
sibling for awhile. Even so, we're thrilled. :-)

> Secondly, someone was telling me something about a
> section in the
> Renraku text from the point of view of one of the
> Red Samurai.
> Apparently that's where the 'five floors' data comes
> from.
> ==> Doc'

Ok, I am so sorry, I found it (p81): "Renraku troops
have retaken the first five floors, and it's only a
matter of time before they manage to regain control of
the reactors in the basement." and p82 "You can bet
Red tacticians cracked the arcology walnut, allowing
Renraku to abtain the first (and most critical)
foothold on the ground floors of the SCIRE."

That is all (I think).

Kismet
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Message no. 50
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 21:03:11 -0700 (PDT)
> My original thought was that Beta teams job was to infiltrate onto a
Deus controlled level and try to hack from there, the idea being that
the decker wouldn't have to deal with the IC protecting Deus from
outside his controlled area (ie the Arcology minus the five levels
retaken by Red Sam's).

All right...but they're still likely to know that one NORMAL HUMAN
decker wouldn't have a chance against Deus itself. Like I said, he'd
PROBABLY be able to stuff around with the arc itself, though. What if
he breaks in and starts trashing files and sending automated slave
nodes amok throughout the arc? That would be rather diverting and it'd
be feasible that he could get away with it.

> My bad, was figuring it was CSS, hence the security rigger.

What would you replace him with? Or would you just drop him?

> On their own. My original thought was that Team Beta would get into
a Deus controlled level (say level 10), find a nice hideyhole, the HWS
sets up a couble of turrets and his Big Gun to keep the drones away
while the decker hacks, the shaman keeps everyone alive and deals with
magical threats. Eventually Deus turns the deckers brain to goo and the
mission aborts. Of course, this was only an idea and if no one else
likes it, its gone.

Oh, okay. Not turrets. You want those Ares Sentry drones (I think).
They're in Fields of Fire, I believe. It's a tripod-type thing that you
stick a gun on and it has integral sensors to track and shoot at
targets. A lot like the automated guns in Aliens. Stick a couple of
HMGs on those, give your combat troll a PAC and they'd be rather
dangerous.

The thing is, that's almost a suicide mission. Tying yourself down in
the arc is just inviting Deus to kill you. You could do it, but Team
Beta would have to be dumb goofs who didn't realise that they were all
dead - or real professionals who've planned heaps and heaps of escape
routes for when their defenses are overwhelmed.
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Message no. 51
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 21:53:29 -0700 (PDT)
> Thanks! It is a Good thing! We are very surprised. I have a 9 mo old
and we weren't expecting to give him a sibling for awhile. Even so,
we're thrilled. :-)

Good to hear. :)

> Ok, I am so sorry, I found it (p81): "Renraku troops have retaken the
first five floors, and it's only a matter of time before they manage to
regain control of the reactors in the basement." and p82 "You can bet
Red tacticians cracked the arcology walnut, allowing Renraku to abtain
the first (and most critical) foothold on the ground floors of the
SCIRE."
>
> That is all (I think).
>
> Kismet
> The hormonal nag of the RA:S Project LOL!

Ah-hah. Nice work, Hormonal Nag. :)
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Message no. 52
From: Mockingbird mockingbird@*********.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 08:23:01 -0500
----- Original Message -----
From: Rand Ratinac <docwagon101@*****.com>
To: <srfanfic@*********.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 1999 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: [RA:S Project] Update


>
> > I was under the impression that at least some of the sub-basement
> levels were parking garages (like the one the Ork Underground broke
> into).
>
> They are, but only the top few. *sigh* Should've checked RA:S last
> night.
>

B1 is maintence tunnels for the mall, B2-B6 are parking garages. The fusion
reactors are on the lowest level, B21.

Mockingbird
Message no. 53
From: Scott Wheelock iscottw@*****.nb.ca
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 10:25:54 -0300
"And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to Rand Ratinac."
] The thing is, that's almost a suicide mission. Tying yourself down in
] the arc is just inviting Deus to kill you. You could do it, but Team
] Beta would have to be dumb goofs who didn't realise that they were all
] dead - or real professionals who've planned heaps and heaps of escape
] routes for when their defenses are overwhelmed.

Or maybe they were never meant as anything but a distraction. Team
Alpha might have been found and killed in the beginning, had not Deus
had to deal with this supposed threat from the decker. Could be that
Renraku knew Beta had no chance, and just wanted Cliber out of their
with minmal interference from Deus. 'Course, neither team has to know
this.

-Murder of One
Message no. 54
From: Mockingbird mockingbird@*********.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 08:29:21 -0500
----- Original Message -----
From: Rand Ratinac <docwagon101@*****.com>
To: <srfanfic@*********.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 1999 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: [RA:S Project] Update


> All right...but they're still likely to know that one NORMAL HUMAN
> decker wouldn't have a chance against Deus itself. Like I said, he'd
> PROBABLY be able to stuff around with the arc itself, though. What if
> he breaks in and starts trashing files and sending automated slave
> nodes amok throughout the arc? That would be rather diverting and it'd
> be feasible that he could get away with it.
>

True, I'll think some more.

> Oh, okay. Not turrets. You want those Ares Sentry drones (I think).
> They're in Fields of Fire, I believe. It's a tripod-type thing that you
> stick a gun on and it has integral sensors to track and shoot at
> targets. A lot like the automated guns in Aliens. Stick a couple of
> HMGs on those, give your combat troll a PAC and they'd be rather
> dangerous.
>

Excactly, I usually think of them as turrets.

> The thing is, that's almost a suicide mission. Tying yourself down in
> the arc is just inviting Deus to kill you. You could do it, but Team
> Beta would have to be dumb goofs who didn't realise that they were all
> dead - or real professionals who've planned heaps and heaps of escape
> routes for when their defenses are overwhelmed.

Uh, I'll take Door #2.

Mockingbird
Message no. 55
From: Iridios iridios@*********.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 23:03:26 -0400
Mockingbird wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rand Ratinac <docwagon101@*****.com>
> To: <srfanfic@*********.org>
> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 1999 9:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [RA:S Project] Update
>
> >
> > > I was under the impression that at least some of the sub-basement
> > levels were parking garages (like the one the Ork Underground broke
> > into).
> >
> > They are, but only the top few. *sigh* Should've checked RA:S last
> > night.
> >
>
> B1 is maintence tunnels for the mall, B2-B6 are parking garages. The fusion
> reactors are on the lowest level, B21.

So what, in general, occupies levels B7 down to B20? I could maybe
see a number of them being used as "machine rooms", floors dedicated
to the running of water pumps, elevators, power distribution, air
conditioning, and etc. But 14!?

--
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Message no. 56
From: Mockingbird mockingbird@*********.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 08:50:05 -0500
----- Original Message -----
From: Iridios <iridios@*********.com>
To: <srfanfic@*********.org>
Sent: Friday, June 18, 1999 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: [RA:S Project] Update
>
> So what, in general, occupies levels B7 down to B20? I could maybe
> see a number of them being used as "machine rooms", floors dedicated
> to the running of water pumps, elevators, power distribution, air
> conditioning, and etc. But 14!?
>
> --
> Iridios
> "Accept what you cannot avoid,
> Avoid what you cannot accept."
>
>
>

Don't have R:AS handy, but I know that B7 is a Mainframe Manufacturing
center. I believe it is mostly R&D labs (if you have a copy, look in the
back, it has a listing of what each floor is).

Mockingbird
Message no. 57
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 00:11:28 -0700 (PDT)
> So what, in general, occupies levels B7 down to B20? I could maybe
see a number of them being used as "machine rooms", floors dedicated to
the running of water pumps, elevators, power distribution, air
conditioning, and etc. But 14!?
> Iridios

Iridios -

The arc is TOTALLY self-sufficient. I think a lot of the floors are
used for growing food (hydroponics, aquaculture, that kind of thing),
cleaning water and sewage-related functions (reclamation plants etc.).
There's probably other stuff, but I can never remember and RA:S is at home.
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Message no. 58
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 00:42:24 -0700 (PDT)
Okay, people, I've finally gotten through the nearly 400 items of mail
I got from you and ShadowRN over the last few days - and what I've
noticed is that most of you have been a bit slack.

*sound of tongue clucking*

I've only gotten ONE new story outline from you guys (Tay-Dor) and I've
gotten NO updated story outlines. Mockingbird and I are in conference
on his ideas for the Renraku team story and GreyWolf is working on the
shadow team characters (GreyWolf! Where's that story outline I
wanted???). As for the rest of you - NOTHING!!

So I'm repeating my call. If you intend to write a story, then send me
either your most current version of your story outline (if you've sent
one before), or your original story outline (if you haven't sent me
your ideas yet). Or, if you DON'T know what to write about, but do want
to write, LET ME KNOW!

Can we do that over the next few days? It'd be good to have a basic
outline of the book format by the end of this week or early next week.
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Message no. 59
From: Ahuizotl cuellare@***.telmex.net.mx
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:38:21 -0500
> I've only gotten ONE new story outline from you guys (Tay-Dor) and I've
...
> wanted???). As for the rest of you - NOTHING!!
>

I was logout from inteernet this week, I´m re writting my outline
history in spanish i will send to you in english the next month i hope,
but still cound me in.

Saludos
Ahuizotl


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> Can we do that over the next few days? It'd be good to have a basic
> outline of the book format by the end of this week or early next week.
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Message no. 60
From: Ayla Renee ReneeKrena@********.net
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 03:09:10 -0500
With all the various threads running through here and excellent ideas
being thrown out, I'm honestly *VERY* confused as to whos doing what, whats
been decided and what hasn't and where everyone stands on issues. I'm
probably the only one in this position, so I'll keep my mouth shut on the
issue, and wait to see something hard set. Actual plots and characters
coming out...and see the tone that you want to set for the novel before I
start my writing.

Incedentally, if you ever go to Vegas, the gaming there is horrible. I went
to every gaming store I could find, only 3 of them had RPGs, and only 1 had
any Shadowrun.. Coudlnt' find the book, so I'm going to order it from your
freind, Doc...


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From: Rand Ratinac <docwagon101@*****.com>
To: srfanfic@*********.org <srfanfic@*********.org>
Date: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 3:34 AM
Subject: Re: [RA:S Project] Update


>> <pout mode>
>> Would everyone stop telling me what to do with my story?
>> </pout mode>
>>
>> Seriously, it sounds like a good thing to do would be to have my
>story kinda be the wrap-up story. It'll intersect every thread, and
>every intersection will be relatively major. That way, we wouldn't have
>to do some sort of group end-story. Just a suggestion.
>
>Well, you've seen what I've said about the ending story, but nothing's
>set in stone. Write it how you want to, but be prepared for major
>changes.
>
>> A question: are all stories concurrent? I mean, if non-thread
>Story A takes place on Monday at 11:00, does Story B take place later
>on Monday or on Tuesday, or do certain events take place on Monday at
>11:00 as well?
>> --Strago
>
>It all depends on the stories themselves. I can't say at this time.
>Stories may or may not overlap. Stories are ALLOWED to overlap - or
>stories can take place at quiet varied times (well, within the space of
>three or four days at most, probably). Hmmm...rephrase. Anything in
>side stories that takes place WHILE the teams are inside the arc must
>happen within the space of three to four days - or possibly less.
>Anything in them that happens OUTSIDE of that time (for instance,
>Scott's fixer who's trying to get a team together to go into the arc,
>or Iridios' news team that gets stuck inside when Deus takes over) can
>happen pretty much whenver the writer wants it to happen.
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Message no. 61
From: Scott Wheelock iscottw@*****.nb.ca
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:47:51 -0300
"And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to Rand Ratinac."
] *sound of tongue clucking*

That tongue clucking's been sitting in my mailbox for a while now,
clucking at me. Here's yer darn outline, ya slave-driver ;)

A fixer, name of...I dunno yet, let's say Ed, anyway, a fixer name of
Ed sees some footage of the Renraku Arcology that some enterprising
journalist has snuck off with (this may have to be altered after I read
RA:S), and sees a shot of a relative of his that he thought was long
dead. Getting himself into a frenzy, he quickly cancels his
appointments (or some such thing) and tries to get some of his runner
contacts to make a foray into the Arc. Ed's only a middling level
fixer though, and either he doesn't know anyone who's hot enough to
take the risk, or the teams that could do it are busy (yeah, sounds
flimsy, but I'll work it out). This goes on for a while. Ed's a
Salish-Shidhe politician as well, and he tries to get the Council
worked up about the Arcology, but they predictably decide to ignore the issue.
Anyway, he tries and tries, and eventually his shadow reputation
starts to slip (since he's letting all his business slip, and treating
the teams who refused him like nobodies), and he is sent on a 'leave of
absence' from work (a 'shape up or you're fired' kinda thing). He gets
a tip from a street kid about an entrance to the Arc, but ends up
getting mugged.
Finally, he finds a shadow team that's going in. He petitions the
one member he knows to search for his relative, and that member takes
it to the team. They refuse, and the fixer is left behind.
The story ends with him studying a map he pirated from the team that
details the entrance, and him loading a gun.

Ta-da! The story, as I've thought of it so far. RA:S is on order (my
freakin' store is sooo stupid...they didn't even order it until
yesterday, even though I placed the order Monday last week), so things
may change, but not too heavily, I think.

The shadow team, of course, is the Shadow Team of core thread fame.
And there's the major problem...does chronology matter? Will my story
contribute _anything_, since it's already known that the team gets into
the Arc?

-Murder of One
Message no. 62
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 19:31:40 -0700 (PDT)
People,

I got this from that nice man ( :) ) Razor's Edge...

=========The renraku Red samurai (loyal and outside the arc)
have contol of the first five floors of the SCRIE.
This is in Corporate Download in the Renraku section.
Thought you may want to know. The time of posting is
aprox. March 3rd 2061.
=========
This will obviously necessitate some changes. As I see it, not a lot,
though. The shadow team would still be unwelcome, so they would have to
penetrate the arc AND the Renraku-held levels if they entered from the
basement or ground levels. The Renraku team now has a secure staging
area inside the arc, so they wouldn't have to deal with getting all the
way in or out. The UCAS team...well, that's debatable. They may want to
do things quietly too (to keep Renraku from knowing they're trying to
get Cliber out). More likely though (IMO) is that they ALSO go openly
from the secure Renraku staging area, as they're just going to do
something to help everyone, not to stuff Renraku. Meanwhile, though,
when Renraku finds out about this, they set up their own team with the
express purpose of screwing the UCAS.

Yeah...I kinda like that. How's this for a slightly altered premise?
UCAS decides to get Cliber out so they can work on Deus. They tell
Renraku, because they want to stage out of the Renraku-held levels.
Renraku agrees, but secretly activates a black ops team (the second
team in the story) with orders to ambush the UCAS team, get Cliber and,
if possible, wipe the UCASers out. They do this because, as suggested
previously, they don't want the UCAS getting their hands on the secrets
she knows and they want to try to solve the problem themselves.

Sound good?
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Message no. 63
From: Aaron Binns sparrow@***.net.au
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 12:41:59 +1000
sounds very good :)

GreyWolf

Rand Ratinac wrote:

> People,
>
> I got this from that nice man ( :) ) Razor's Edge...
>
> =========> The renraku Red samurai (loyal and outside the arc)
> have contol of the first five floors of the SCRIE.
> This is in Corporate Download in the Renraku section.
> Thought you may want to know. The time of posting is
> aprox. March 3rd 2061.
> =========>
> This will obviously necessitate some changes. As I see it, not a lot,
> though. The shadow team would still be unwelcome, so they would have to
> penetrate the arc AND the Renraku-held levels if they entered from the
> basement or ground levels. The Renraku team now has a secure staging
> area inside the arc, so they wouldn't have to deal with getting all the
> way in or out. The UCAS team...well, that's debatable. They may want to
> do things quietly too (to keep Renraku from knowing they're trying to
> get Cliber out). More likely though (IMO) is that they ALSO go openly
> from the secure Renraku staging area, as they're just going to do
> something to help everyone, not to stuff Renraku. Meanwhile, though,
> when Renraku finds out about this, they set up their own team with the
> express purpose of screwing the UCAS.
>
> Yeah...I kinda like that. How's this for a slightly altered premise?
> UCAS decides to get Cliber out so they can work on Deus. They tell
> Renraku, because they want to stage out of the Renraku-held levels.
> Renraku agrees, but secretly activates a black ops team (the second
> team in the story) with orders to ambush the UCAS team, get Cliber and,
> if possible, wipe the UCASers out. They do this because, as suggested
> previously, they don't want the UCAS getting their hands on the secrets
> she knows and they want to try to solve the problem themselves.
>
> Sound good?
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Message no. 64
From: Scott Wheelock iscottw@*****.nb.ca
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 23:55:53 -0300
"And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to Rand Ratinac."
] This will obviously necessitate some changes.

So, we're setting this in 2061?

] Yeah...I kinda like that. How's this for a slightly altered premise?
] UCAS decides to get Cliber out so they can work on Deus. They tell
] Renraku, because they want to stage out of the Renraku-held levels.
] Renraku agrees, but secretly activates a black ops team (the second
] team in the story) with orders to ambush the UCAS team, get Cliber and,
] if possible, wipe the UCASers out. They do this because, as suggested
] previously, they don't want the UCAS getting their hands on the secrets
] she knows and they want to try to solve the problem themselves.
]
] Sound good?

Geez, this makes more sense than the original :) The shadow team
still feels kinda superfluous, though. They aren't going to tie in
with the other core threads at all?

-Murder of One
Message no. 65
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 20:19:20 -0700 (PDT)
> So, we're setting this in 2061?

Yes, I think we have to keep this RELATIVELY current if we want to be
published.

> Geez, this makes more sense than the original :) The shadow team
still feels kinda superfluous, though. They aren't going to tie in
with the other core threads at all?
> -Murder of One

Yes and no. Originally, they're going in separately after a separate
target and, while they MAY meet up with the other teams in non-core
stories (depending on what the author wants to do), they will
DEFINITELY all come together at the end...in some way. The idea is that
all three threads will intertwine and come to a conclusion together.

Strago, you might want to consider having the UCAS team link up with
the shadow team in your story, because the shadow team approaches the
resistence cell the UCAS survivors are with, asking for help.
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Message no. 66
From: Scott Wheelock iscottw@*****.nb.ca
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 00:18:59 -0300
"And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to Rand Ratinac."
] Yes and no. Originally, they're going in separately after a separate
] target and, while they MAY meet up with the other teams in non-core
] stories (depending on what the author wants to do), they will
] DEFINITELY all come together at the end...in some way. The idea is that
] all three threads will intertwine and come to a conclusion together.
]
] Strago, you might want to consider having the UCAS team link up with
] the shadow team in your story, because the shadow team approaches the
] resistence cell the UCAS survivors are with, asking for help.

Yeah, and maybe the Resistance cell says "Go screw yourselves, both
of you. You're ducking out on all the people left in here, so we're
not going to give you any more help than you deserve." Or something to
that effect, so then the shadow team and the UCAS team have to depend
on each other.
Thoughts?

-Murder of One
Message no. 67
From: Aaron Binns sparrow@***.net.au
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 13:31:56 +1000
Rand Ratinac wrote:

> > So, we're setting this in 2061?
>
> Yes, I think we have to keep this RELATIVELY current if we want to be
> published.
>
> > Geez, this makes more sense than the original :) The shadow team
> still feels kinda superfluous, though. They aren't going to tie in
> with the other core threads at all?
> > -Murder of One
>
> Yes and no. Originally, they're going in separately after a separate
> target and, while they MAY meet up with the other teams in non-core
> stories (depending on what the author wants to do), they will
> DEFINITELY all come together at the end...in some way. The idea is that
> all three threads will intertwine and come to a conclusion together.
>
> Strago, you might want to consider having the UCAS team link up with
> the shadow team in your story, because the shadow team approaches the
> resistence cell the UCAS survivors are with, asking for help.

Doc' how many volunteers have there been to write the core stories?

I expect you'll let ppl know who is doing what when you know about it.

GreyWolf
Message no. 68
From: noone youknow masquerades@****.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 20:45:11 -0700
|Yeah...I kinda like that. How's this for a slightly altered
premise?
|UCAS decides to get Cliber out so they can work on Deus. They
tell
|Renraku, because they want to stage out of the Renraku-held
levels.
|Renraku agrees, but secretly activates a black ops team (the
second
|team in the story) with orders to ambush the UCAS team, get
Cliber and,
|if possible, wipe the UCASers out. They do this because, as
suggested
|previously, they don't want the UCAS getting their hands on the
secrets
|she knows and they want to try to solve the problem themselves.
|Sound good?
|==|Doc'


i don't know about this one. i am pretty sure that Renraku would
just tell the UCAS to frag off and mind their own beeswax. IMHO
<grin> they would not let any UCAS people in, much less a
special forces team. it would make more sense for them to just
try and go in undercover and do what they have to, without
telling Renraku.

david, one of the volunteer editors

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Message no. 69
From: CEvans9159@***.com CEvans9159@***.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 23:50:13 EDT
In a message dated 6/15/99 8:49:14 PM, masquerades@****.com writes:

>i don't know about this one. i am pretty sure that Renraku would
>
>just tell the UCAS to frag off and mind their own beeswax. IMHO
>
><grin> they would not let any UCAS people in, much less a
>
>special forces team. it would make more sense for them to just
>
>try and go in undercover and do what they have to, without
>
>telling Renraku.
>


I agree.
Message no. 70
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 20:58:12 -0700 (PDT)
> ] Strago, you might want to consider having the UCAS
> team link up with
> ] the shadow team in your story, because the shadow
> team approaches the
> ] resistence cell the UCAS survivors are with,
> asking for help.
>
> Yeah, and maybe the Resistance cell says "Go screw yourselves, both
of you. You're ducking out on all the people left in here, so we're
not going to give you any more help than you deserve." Or something to
that effect, so then the shadow team and the UCAS team have to depend
on each other.
> Thoughts?
> -Murder of One

Interesting, but not particularly feasible. If that happens, how are
the two teams going to meet? They'd have to both run into the same
resistance cell at the same time in the same place, both get rejected,
then both decide to join forces.

Also, that isn't how the resistance works. They look for ANY help they
can get, short term or no. They're trying to get people out, so, even
if the UCAS team and the shadow team DON'T come back, at the very least
they're going to be freeing two more people from Deus if they're
successful. Yeah, some hotheads might not like them, but cooler heads
will prevail.
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Message no. 71
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 21:07:42 -0700 (PDT)
> i don't know about this one. i am pretty sure that Renraku would just
tell the UCAS to frag off and mind their own beeswax. IMHO <grin> they
would not let any UCAS people in, much less a special forces team. it
would make more sense for them to just try and go in undercover and do
what they have to, without telling Renraku.
> david, one of the volunteer editors

You're forgetting that corp extraterritoriality has been more or less
suspended in this circumstance. The UCAS has told Renraku, "Because of
your negligence, over 3 million of our citizens are in jeopardy. We're
in charge now and if you screw with us, we'll screw you back so bad
you'll never be able to sit down again. And NO ONE, not even the
corporate court, will stop us." More or less. :)

From what I can tell, right now Renraku is in 'compliance' mode. They
do what they can and (probably) what they want, but the UCAS is the
senior partner (with army detachments plonked all around the arc,
that's not particularly surprising). If Renraku DOES want to screw with
the UCAS, they'll do it VERY carefully and VERY quietly. Telling the
UCAS to "bugger off" does not strike me as a viable option.

Normally, David, I'd agree with you. But not where the arc is
concerned. The UCAS military is IN CHARGE and that's made very plain in
RA:S.

Does that make sense?
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Message no. 72
From: Strago strago@***.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 00:52:28 -0400
Scott Wheelock wrote:

> <SNIP>
> ] Strago, you might want to consider having the UCAS team link up with
> ] the shadow team in your story, because the shadow team approaches the
> ] resistence cell the UCAS survivors are with, asking for help.
>
> Yeah, and maybe the Resistance cell says "Go screw yourselves, both
> of you. You're ducking out on all the people left in here, so we're
> not going to give you any more help than you deserve." Or something to
> that effect, so then the shadow team and the UCAS team have to depend
> on each other.
> Thoughts?
>
> -Murder of One

<pout mode>
Would everyone stop telling me what to do with my story?
</pout mode>

Seriously, it sounds like a good thing to do would be to have my story
kinda be the wrap-up story. It'll intersect every thread, and every
intersection will be relatively major. That way, we wouldn't have to do some
sort of group end-story. Just a suggestion.
A question: are all stories concurrent? I mean, if non-thread Story A
takes place on Monday at 11:00, does Story B take place later on Monday or on
Tuesday, or do certain events take place on Monday at 11:00 as well?

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Message no. 73
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 00:11:17 -0700 (PDT)
> Doc' how many volunteers have there been to write
> the core stories?
>
> I expect you'll let ppl know who is doing what when
> you know about it.
>
> GreyWolf

As of now, only GreyWolf and Mockingbird have volunteered to write the
introductory core stories (shadow team and Renraku respectively).

Do we have any more volunteers?

Yes, I'll try to keep everyone as up-to-date on what they're expected
to do as best I can.
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Message no. 74
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 00:10:45 -0700 (PDT)
> >i don't know about this one. i am pretty sure that Renraku would
just tell the UCAS to frag off and mind their own beeswax. IMHO <grin>
they would not let any UCAS people in, much less a special forces team.
it would make more sense for them to just try and go in undercover and
do what they have to, without telling Renraku.
>
> I agree.

Well, you've seen my reasoning regarding this. I think that what RA:S
says makes in plain that Renraku is not in a position to refuse the
UCAS military anything as far as the arc is concerned at this point of
time. It's possible that their takeover of part of the arc has
stiffened their spine somewhat, but I still think that, with a whole
bunch of UCAS army guys parked on their doorstep, Renraku is going to
be more compliant than usual.

Anyway, look at it this way. Renraku refuses the UCAS access to the
arc. UCAS threatens to let everyone know just how badly it is that
they've screwed things up with the arc. Renraku...continues to refuse?
Nuh-uh - methinks Renraku caves in - at least officially.
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Message no. 75
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 00:25:33 -0700 (PDT)
> <pout mode>
> Would everyone stop telling me what to do with my story?
> </pout mode>
>
> Seriously, it sounds like a good thing to do would be to have my
story kinda be the wrap-up story. It'll intersect every thread, and
every intersection will be relatively major. That way, we wouldn't have
to do some sort of group end-story. Just a suggestion.

Well, you've seen what I've said about the ending story, but nothing's
set in stone. Write it how you want to, but be prepared for major
changes.

> A question: are all stories concurrent? I mean, if non-thread
Story A takes place on Monday at 11:00, does Story B take place later
on Monday or on Tuesday, or do certain events take place on Monday at
11:00 as well?
> --Strago

It all depends on the stories themselves. I can't say at this time.
Stories may or may not overlap. Stories are ALLOWED to overlap - or
stories can take place at quiet varied times (well, within the space of
three or four days at most, probably). Hmmm...rephrase. Anything in
side stories that takes place WHILE the teams are inside the arc must
happen within the space of three to four days - or possibly less.
Anything in them that happens OUTSIDE of that time (for instance,
Scott's fixer who's trying to get a team together to go into the arc,
or Iridios' news team that gets stuck inside when Deus takes over) can
happen pretty much whenver the writer wants it to happen.
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Message no. 76
From: Scott Wheelock iscottw@*****.nb.ca
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:39:59 -0300
"And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to Rand Ratinac."
] > Yeah, and maybe the Resistance cell says "Go screw yourselves, both
] of you. You're ducking out on all the people left in here, so we're
] not going to give you any more help than you deserve." Or something to
] that effect, so then the shadow team and the UCAS team have to depend
] on each other.
] > Thoughts?
] > -Murder of One
]
] Also, that isn't how the resistance works. They look for ANY help they
] can get, short term or no. They're trying to get people out, so, even
] if the UCAS team and the shadow team DON'T come back, at the very least
] they're going to be freeing two more people from Deus if they're
] successful. Yeah, some hotheads might not like them, but cooler heads
] will prevail.

Oh. I guess it would help to read the thing, eh? I ordered it
though, so I'm trying! The way my gaming store works, it should be
here in about three weeks, but I don't think we'll be done by then
anyway, so that's cool :)

-Murder of One
Message no. 77
From: Iridios iridios@*********.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:26:03 -0400
Rand Ratinac wrote:
>
> People,
>
> I got this from that nice man ( :) ) Razor's Edge...
>
> =========> The renraku Red samurai (loyal and outside the arc)
> have contol of the first five floors of the SCRIE.

I know you got this second hand, so you might not have an answer right
away. Do these five floors start counting from ground level, or from
the lowest sub-basement? Just curious.

> This is in Corporate Download in the Renraku section.
> Thought you may want to know. The time of posting is
> aprox. March 3rd 2061.
> =========>

<snip premise>

> Sound good?

Works for me. :)


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Message no. 78
From: Iridios iridios@*********.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:31:21 -0400
noone youknow wrote:

<snip>

> i don't know about this one. i am pretty sure that Renraku would
> just tell the UCAS to frag off and mind their own beeswax. IMHO
> <grin> they would not let any UCAS people in, much less a
> special forces team. it would make more sense for them to just
> try and go in undercover and do what they have to, without
> telling Renraku.

The Arc is a really large building. Way too much space to cover to
leave it to *just* Renraku staff. I can see Reraku not allowing any
other corporate support, and I can see Renraku demanding background
checks on any UCAS member preparing to enter the Arc just to ensure
that there is no Ares plant in the UCAS team. And lastly, I can see
Renraku dragging their feet and just plain refusing to give the UCAS
team any info that might help them get to Cliber, even to the point of
trying to make the UCAS team operate under Renraku Command.


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Message no. 79
From: Mockingbird mockingbird@*********.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:02:21 -0500
Hi,
Here's my fifteen minute plot. Renraku sends two teams, the first is to
get out Cliber. The second team is a small force set up to try to shutdown,
reboot or whatever to Deus to slow him down, stop him until Team Alpha can
get Cliber out. Team Alpha also (possibly) has a secondary order of
arranging an "accident" for the UCAS goons. My general thought was to have
Team Beta fail (decker killed) and have the end of my story being Team
Alpha's notification of Team Beta's situation.

Now to the cast.

Renraku Black Ops

Team Alpha
Human Female Combat shaman - Shark
Drone Rigger
Security Rigger
Physad
Demolitions Expert/Cybergoon

Team Beta
Snake Shaman
Combat Decker
Troll Heavy Weapons Specialist

Team Alpha will have small weapons mostly (SMG's) with the Cybergoon having
a larger weapon (ideas?). Team Beta will have heavier weapons as their
mission involves sneaking into a Deus controled area and holing up while the
decker hacks Deus. I am thinking the HWS will have either a PAC or HMG and
maybe a couple of turrents (on the assumption that Deus will sense the
decker and send Drones at them).

Thoughts?

Mockingbird
(who plays a Wookie HWS in an another life)
Message no. 80
From: noone youknow masquerades@****.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:19:40 -0700
|You're forgetting that corp extraterritoriality has been more
or less
|suspended in this circumstance. The UCAS has told Renraku,
"Because of
|your negligence, over 3 million of our citizens are in
jeopardy. We're
|in charge now and if you screw with us, we'll screw you back so
bad
|you'll never be able to sit down again. And NO ONE, not even
the
|corporate court, will stop us." More or less. :)
|
|From what I can tell, right now Renraku is in 'compliance'
mode. They
|do what they can and (probably) what they want, but the UCAS is
the
|senior partner (with army detachments plonked all around the
arc,
|that's not particularly surprising). If Renraku DOES want to
screw with
|the UCAS, they'll do it VERY carefully and VERY quietly.
Telling the
|UCAS to "bugger off" does not strike me as a viable option.
|
|Normally, David, I'd agree with you. But not where the arc is
|concerned. The UCAS military is IN CHARGE and that's made very
plain in
|RA:S.
|
|Does that make sense?
|==|Doc'


yes, it does make sense now. i do not have RA:S, i am here just
to edit stories for people, so i am not knowledgeable on the
circumstances so feel more than free to correct me on things
like this :)

david
Message no. 81
From: Scott Wheelock iscottw@*****.nb.ca
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 21:57:19 -0300
"And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to Mockingbird."
] Hi,
] Here's my fifteen minute plot. Renraku sends two teams, the first is to
] get out Cliber. The second team is a small force set up to try to shutdown,
] reboot or whatever to Deus to slow him down, stop him until Team Alpha can
] get Cliber out. Team Alpha also (possibly) has a secondary order of
] arranging an "accident" for the UCAS goons. My general thought was to have
] Team Beta fail (decker killed) and have the end of my story being Team
] Alpha's notification of Team Beta's situation.

My goodness....four core threads! The rest of us are going to move
which team along in our stories?

] Now to the cast.
]
] Renraku Black Ops
]
] Team Alpha
] Human Female Combat shaman - Shark
] Drone Rigger
] Security Rigger
] Physad
] Demolitions Expert/Cybergoon
]
] Team Beta
] Snake Shaman
] Combat Decker
] Troll Heavy Weapons Specialist
]
] Team Alpha will have small weapons mostly (SMG's) with the Cybergoon having
] a larger weapon (ideas?). Team Beta will have heavier weapons as their
] mission involves sneaking into a Deus controled area and holing up while the
] decker hacks Deus. I am thinking the HWS will have either a PAC or HMG and
] maybe a couple of turrents (on the assumption that Deus will sense the
] decker and send Drones at them).

Well, if team Beta's meant to be noisy, I can see the big guns.
What's a security rigger do again?

-Murder of One
Message no. 82
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:16:58 -0700 (PDT)
> Here's my fifteen minute plot. Renraku sends two teams, the
first is to get out Cliber. The second team is a small force set up to
try to shutdown, reboot or whatever to Deus to slow him down, stop him
until Team Alpha can get Cliber out. Team Alpha also (possibly) has a
secondary order of arranging an "accident" for the UCAS goons. My
general thought was to have Team Beta fail (decker killed) and have the
end of my story being Team Alpha's notification of Team Beta's
situation.

Errr...that's a bit ambitious. I'm sure Renraku's already had their
best deckers trying to hack Deus to no avail. A different possibility
for Beta team - snake shaman for magical support and healing - that's
fine. Combat decker - change that to a standard decker operating from
Renraku-held territory inside the arc. Make it two or three heavy
weapons guys (of whatever metatype - trolls are good). Remember, this
is Renraku, so metahumans tend to be expendable. They're supposed to go
in and blow the hell out of whatever they can find, while the decker
just stuffs around as much as he can. Having all (or most) of them
getting hosed is good.

As for Alpha team's objectives...well, I think their primary goal would
have to be to get Cliber AND kill the UCAS squad. Look at it like this
- Renraku knows that the UCAS is going in to get Cliber, because the
UCAS is staging out of their territory. They DON'T know where Cliber is
going to be in the arc, because the UCAS is certainly not going to tell
them. So they have to follow the UCAS team. Once they link up with
Cliber, the Renraku team can strike.

Another possibility - after hearing about what the UCAS is doing,
Renraku manages to contact Cliber and sets up their OWN meet. Cliber
tells them to meet her in the same place as the UCAS team. She'll leave
with whoever gets to her first, although she doesn't tell the UCAS or
Renraku that. UCAS team arrives first, so the Renraku team HAS to
ambush them to get Cliber.

> Now to the cast.
>
> Renraku Black Ops
>
> Team Alpha
> Human Female Combat shaman - Shark
> Drone Rigger
> Security Rigger
> Physad
> Demolitions Expert/Cybergoon
>
> Team Beta
> Snake Shaman
> Combat Decker
> Troll Heavy Weapons Specialist
>
> Team Alpha will have small weapons mostly (SMG's) with the Cybergoon
having a larger weapon (ideas?).

Assault rifle. Combat shotgun. Laser weapon. Ummm...I don't think a
security rigger is going to be much use, unless he can also rig drones.
The arc isn't a rigged system, it's a computer system controlled by the
AEP, which has now become Deus.

> Team Beta will have heavier weapons as their mission involves
sneaking into a Deus controled area and holing up while the decker
hacks Deus. I am thinking the HWS will have either a PAC or HMG and
maybe a couple of turrents (on the assumption that Deus will sense the
decker and send Drones at them).

If there's only one, make in an HMG. The drones aren't THAT heavily
armoured and a weapon capable of FA fire is going to be of more use. If
there's more of them, arm them how you wish. Btw, turrents? I suppose
you mean turrets...but on what?
==Doc'
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Message no. 83
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:29:57 -0700 (PDT)
> My goodness....four core threads! The rest of us are going to move
which team along in our stories?

*lol* Team Alpha, Scott. Team Beta will NOT survive the story - things
are already complex enough as is. At the very least, the survivors will
be forced to bug out by overwhelming opposition.

> Well, if team Beta's meant to be noisy, I can see the big guns.
What's a security rigger do again?
> -Murder of One

If Mockingbird's talking about the 'by-the-book' definition, the
security rigger is the guy who controls a building's security system
like it was a vehicle. That process is described in Corporate Security
Handbook. As I've already mentioned, though, I do believe the arc is a
computer-controlled system, not a rigger controlled one - that's why
they developed the AEP in the first place.
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Message no. 84
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:57:06 -0700 (PDT)
> I know you got this second hand, so you might not have an answer
right away. Do these five floors start counting from ground level, or
from the lowest sub-basement? Just curious.

Don't know. From what people are joking about on the list, it sounds
like Renraku has the mall levels under control, which would be 1 to 6.
They only have five, though, so I'd GUESS they'd have ground to level
five.

After all, how would they have gotten into the subbasement levels
without going through the arc itself? At least in sufficient numbers to
take over...

And one other thing - the fusion reactors are in the subbasement levels
- if Renraku had control of them, it'd all be over - they could shut
the arc down.
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Message no. 85
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 19:00:58 -0700 (PDT)
> The Arc is a really large building. Way too much space to cover to
leave it to *just* Renraku staff. I can see Reraku not allowing any
other corporate support,

Hell yes.

> and I can see Renraku demanding background checks on any UCAS member
preparing to enter the Arc just to ensure that there is no Ares plant
in the UCAS team.

And I can see the UCAS telling Renraku to get stuffed, Renraku thinking
about it and the overall situation, and then capitulating. :)

> And lastly, I can see Renraku dragging their feet and just plain
refusing to give the UCAS team any info that might help them get to
Cliber, even to the point of trying to make the UCAS team operate under
Renraku Command.
> Iridios

I can see them TRYING that, but I can't see it working. The UCAS would
NOT agree to this as, for operation purposes, Renraku Command is under
UCAS jurisdiction. That may have changed with the events of the Corp
Download, but I'm sure the UCAS could still make things difficult
enough for Renraku that Renraku's best bet is to agree to demands like
this and then work against them covertly.

Would you agree?
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Message no. 86
From: Iridios iridios@*********.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 08:49:05 -0400
Rand Ratinac wrote:
>
> > I know you got this second hand, so you might not have an answer
> right away. Do these five floors start counting from ground level, or
> from the lowest sub-basement? Just curious.
>
> Don't know. From what people are joking about on the list, it sounds
> like Renraku has the mall levels under control, which would be 1 to 6.
> They only have five, though, so I'd GUESS they'd have ground to level
> five.

If this is the case, then the Red Samurai are in a Fugly situation
having to defend two borders from Deus. I was under the impression
that at least some of the sub-basement levels were parking garages
(like the one the Ork Underground broke into).

>
> After all, how would they have gotten into the subbasement levels
> without going through the arc itself? At least in sufficient numbers to
> take over...
>
> And one other thing - the fusion reactors are in the subbasement levels
> - if Renraku had control of them, it'd all be over - they could shut
> the arc down.

It is possible to have sub-basement levels open to the public
(garages) and other areas only accesible from within the Arc. The
reactors would most likely have a secure access from within a
different area of the arc.


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Message no. 87
From: Mockingbird mockingbird@*********.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 13:36:27 -0500
----- Original Message -----
From: Rand Ratinac <docwagon101@*****.com>
To: <srfanfic@*********.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: [RA:S Project] Update


> Errr...that's a bit ambitious. I'm sure Renraku's already had their
> best deckers trying to hack Deus to no avail. A different possibility
> for Beta team - snake shaman for magical support and healing - that's
> fine. Combat decker - change that to a standard decker operating from
> Renraku-held territory inside the arc. Make it two or three heavy
> weapons guys (of whatever metatype - trolls are good). Remember, this
> is Renraku, so metahumans tend to be expendable. They're supposed to go
> in and blow the hell out of whatever they can find, while the decker
> just stuffs around as much as he can. Having all (or most) of them
> getting hosed is good.

My original thought was that Beta teams job was to infiltrate onto a Deus
controlled level and try to hack from there, the idea being that the decker
wouldn't have to deal with the IC protecting Deus from outside his
controlled area (ie the Arcology minus the five levels retaken by Red
Sam's).

> > Now to the cast.
> >
> > Renraku Black Ops
> >
> > Team Alpha
> > Human Female Combat shaman - Shark
> > Drone Rigger
> > Security Rigger
> > Physad
> > Demolitions Expert/Cybergoon
> >
> > Team Beta
> > Snake Shaman
> > Combat Decker
> > Troll Heavy Weapons Specialist
> >
> > Team Alpha will have small weapons mostly (SMG's) with the Cybergoon
> having a larger weapon (ideas?).
>
> Assault rifle. Combat shotgun. Laser weapon. Ummm...I don't think a
> security rigger is going to be much use, unless he can also rig drones.
> The arc isn't a rigged system, it's a computer system controlled by the
> AEP, which has now become Deus.
>

My bad, was figuring it was CSS, hence the security rigger.

> > Team Beta will have heavier weapons as their mission involves
> sneaking into a Deus controled area and holing up while the decker
> hacks Deus. I am thinking the HWS will have either a PAC or HMG and
> maybe a couple of turrents (on the assumption that Deus will sense the
> decker and send Drones at them).
>
> If there's only one, make in an HMG. The drones aren't THAT heavily
> armoured and a weapon capable of FA fire is going to be of more use. If
> there's more of them, arm them how you wish. Btw, turrents? I suppose
> you mean turrets...but on what?
> ==
On their own. My original thought was that Team Beta would get into a Deus
controlled level (say level 10), find a nice hideyhole, the HWS sets up a
couble of turrets and his Big Gun to keep the drones away while the decker
hacks, the shaman keeps everyone alive and deals with magical threats.
Eventually Deus turns the deckers brain to goo and the mission aborts. Of
course, this was only an idea and if no one else likes it, its gone.

> Doc'
> (aka Mr. Freaky Big, Super-Dynamic Troll of Tomorrow)
>

Mockingbird
Message no. 88
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 19:29:35 -0700 (PDT)
> If this is the case, then the Red Samurai are in a Fugly situation
having to defend two borders from Deus.

Very much so, but I do believe this to be the case.

> I was under the impression that at least some of the sub-basement
levels were parking garages (like the one the Ork Underground broke
into).

They are, but only the top few. *sigh* Should've checked RA:S last
night.

> It is possible to have sub-basement levels open to the public
(garages) and other areas only accesible from within the Arc.

Like I said, that's only the top few. The bottom ones (there are 13 or
15, IIRC) are sealed off in some way from the upper ones (really tight
security or something). Can anyone check me on this? I might not
remember to look.

> The reactors would most likely have a secure access from within a
different area of the arc.

That'd be my guess - but they ARE in the lower subbasements. The Red
Samurai COULD have taken the garage levels, but that'd probably be it.
I still think it's most likely they'll have taken the ground floors. If
someone gets (or has) Corp Shadowfiles, can you check?
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Message no. 89
From: Kismet kismet_sr@*****.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 19:58:16 -0700 (PDT)
--- Rand Ratinac <docwagon101@*****.com> wrote:

> That'd be my guess - but they ARE in the lower
> subbasements. The Red
> Samurai COULD have taken the garage levels, but
> that'd probably be it.
> I still think it's most likely they'll have taken
> the ground floors. If
> someone gets (or has) Corp Shadowfiles, can you
> check?
> ==> Doc'


I bought Corporate Download yesterday, I have no idea
where the 5 floor idea is coming from. the only
mention of the reclaiming that I found was this
sentence on page 75. It is talking about spin
doctoring and then it says "Combine that with the fact
that the Red Samurai are currently reclaiming the arc
- in a bloody floor-by-floor nightmare of a battle-
and Renraku's stock is already climbing out of the
gutter"

That is all it says. Unless I am going insane (it's
possible I just found out that I'm pregnant). If
someone could tell me where it says 5 floors? Thats
the only place I could find mention of the arc
situation.

Hope that helps Doc,
Kismet

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Message no. 90
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:05:40 -0700 (PDT)
> I bought Corporate Download yesterday, I have no idea where the 5
floor idea is coming from. the only mention of the reclaiming that I
found was this sentence on page 75. It is talking about spin doctoring
and then it says "Combine that with the fact that the Red Samurai are
currently reclaiming the arc - in a bloody floor-by-floor nightmare of
a battle- and Renraku's stock is already climbing out of the gutter"
>
> That is all it says. Unless I am going insane (it's possible I just
found out that I'm pregnant). If someone could tell me where it says 5
floors? Thats the only place I could find mention of the arc situation.
>
> Hope that helps Doc,
> Kismet

First of all, Kismet, congratulations!!

I think.

8-)

Secondly, someone was telling me something about a section in the
Renraku text from the point of view of one of the Red Samurai.
Apparently that's where the 'five floors' data comes from.
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Message no. 91
From: Scott Wheelock iscottw@*****.nb.ca
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 00:06:48 -0300
"And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to Kismet."
] That is all it says. Unless I am going insane (it's
] possible I just found out that I'm pregnant).

If that's a good thing, then CONGRATULATIONS!!!! (I sure hope it's a
good thing)

-Murder of One
Message no. 92
From: Kismet kismet_sr@*****.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:39:32 -0700 (PDT)
--- Rand Ratinac <docwagon101@*****.com> wrote:
> > I bought Corporate Download yesterday, I have no
> idea where the 5
> floor idea is coming from. the only mention of the
> reclaiming that I
> found was this sentence on page 75. It is talking
> about spin doctoring
> and then it says "Combine that with the fact that
> the Red Samurai are
> currently reclaiming the arc - in a bloody
> floor-by-floor nightmare of
> a battle- and Renraku's stock is already climbing
> out of the gutter"
> >
> > That is all it says. Unless I am going insane
> (it's possible I just
> found out that I'm pregnant). If someone could tell
> me where it says 5
> floors? Thats the only place I could find mention of
> the arc situation.
> >
> > Hope that helps Doc,
> > Kismet
>
> First of all, Kismet, congratulations!!
>
> I think.
>
> 8-)

Thanks! It is a Good thing! We are very surprised. I
have a 9 mo old and we weren't expecting to give him a
sibling for awhile. Even so, we're thrilled. :-)

> Secondly, someone was telling me something about a
> section in the
> Renraku text from the point of view of one of the
> Red Samurai.
> Apparently that's where the 'five floors' data comes
> from.
> ==> Doc'

Ok, I am so sorry, I found it (p81): "Renraku troops
have retaken the first five floors, and it's only a
matter of time before they manage to regain control of
the reactors in the basement." and p82 "You can bet
Red tacticians cracked the arcology walnut, allowing
Renraku to abtain the first (and most critical)
foothold on the ground floors of the SCIRE."

That is all (I think).

Kismet
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Message no. 93
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 21:03:11 -0700 (PDT)
> My original thought was that Beta teams job was to infiltrate onto a
Deus controlled level and try to hack from there, the idea being that
the decker wouldn't have to deal with the IC protecting Deus from
outside his controlled area (ie the Arcology minus the five levels
retaken by Red Sam's).

All right...but they're still likely to know that one NORMAL HUMAN
decker wouldn't have a chance against Deus itself. Like I said, he'd
PROBABLY be able to stuff around with the arc itself, though. What if
he breaks in and starts trashing files and sending automated slave
nodes amok throughout the arc? That would be rather diverting and it'd
be feasible that he could get away with it.

> My bad, was figuring it was CSS, hence the security rigger.

What would you replace him with? Or would you just drop him?

> On their own. My original thought was that Team Beta would get into
a Deus controlled level (say level 10), find a nice hideyhole, the HWS
sets up a couble of turrets and his Big Gun to keep the drones away
while the decker hacks, the shaman keeps everyone alive and deals with
magical threats. Eventually Deus turns the deckers brain to goo and the
mission aborts. Of course, this was only an idea and if no one else
likes it, its gone.

Oh, okay. Not turrets. You want those Ares Sentry drones (I think).
They're in Fields of Fire, I believe. It's a tripod-type thing that you
stick a gun on and it has integral sensors to track and shoot at
targets. A lot like the automated guns in Aliens. Stick a couple of
HMGs on those, give your combat troll a PAC and they'd be rather
dangerous.

The thing is, that's almost a suicide mission. Tying yourself down in
the arc is just inviting Deus to kill you. You could do it, but Team
Beta would have to be dumb goofs who didn't realise that they were all
dead - or real professionals who've planned heaps and heaps of escape
routes for when their defenses are overwhelmed.
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Message no. 94
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 21:53:29 -0700 (PDT)
> Thanks! It is a Good thing! We are very surprised. I have a 9 mo old
and we weren't expecting to give him a sibling for awhile. Even so,
we're thrilled. :-)

Good to hear. :)

> Ok, I am so sorry, I found it (p81): "Renraku troops have retaken the
first five floors, and it's only a matter of time before they manage to
regain control of the reactors in the basement." and p82 "You can bet
Red tacticians cracked the arcology walnut, allowing Renraku to abtain
the first (and most critical) foothold on the ground floors of the
SCIRE."
>
> That is all (I think).
>
> Kismet
> The hormonal nag of the RA:S Project LOL!

Ah-hah. Nice work, Hormonal Nag. :)
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Message no. 95
From: Mockingbird mockingbird@*********.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 08:23:01 -0500
----- Original Message -----
From: Rand Ratinac <docwagon101@*****.com>
To: <srfanfic@*********.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 1999 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: [RA:S Project] Update


>
> > I was under the impression that at least some of the sub-basement
> levels were parking garages (like the one the Ork Underground broke
> into).
>
> They are, but only the top few. *sigh* Should've checked RA:S last
> night.
>

B1 is maintence tunnels for the mall, B2-B6 are parking garages. The fusion
reactors are on the lowest level, B21.

Mockingbird
Message no. 96
From: Scott Wheelock iscottw@*****.nb.ca
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 10:25:54 -0300
"And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to Rand Ratinac."
] The thing is, that's almost a suicide mission. Tying yourself down in
] the arc is just inviting Deus to kill you. You could do it, but Team
] Beta would have to be dumb goofs who didn't realise that they were all
] dead - or real professionals who've planned heaps and heaps of escape
] routes for when their defenses are overwhelmed.

Or maybe they were never meant as anything but a distraction. Team
Alpha might have been found and killed in the beginning, had not Deus
had to deal with this supposed threat from the decker. Could be that
Renraku knew Beta had no chance, and just wanted Cliber out of their
with minmal interference from Deus. 'Course, neither team has to know
this.

-Murder of One
Message no. 97
From: Mockingbird mockingbird@*********.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 08:29:21 -0500
----- Original Message -----
From: Rand Ratinac <docwagon101@*****.com>
To: <srfanfic@*********.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 1999 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: [RA:S Project] Update


> All right...but they're still likely to know that one NORMAL HUMAN
> decker wouldn't have a chance against Deus itself. Like I said, he'd
> PROBABLY be able to stuff around with the arc itself, though. What if
> he breaks in and starts trashing files and sending automated slave
> nodes amok throughout the arc? That would be rather diverting and it'd
> be feasible that he could get away with it.
>

True, I'll think some more.

> Oh, okay. Not turrets. You want those Ares Sentry drones (I think).
> They're in Fields of Fire, I believe. It's a tripod-type thing that you
> stick a gun on and it has integral sensors to track and shoot at
> targets. A lot like the automated guns in Aliens. Stick a couple of
> HMGs on those, give your combat troll a PAC and they'd be rather
> dangerous.
>

Excactly, I usually think of them as turrets.

> The thing is, that's almost a suicide mission. Tying yourself down in
> the arc is just inviting Deus to kill you. You could do it, but Team
> Beta would have to be dumb goofs who didn't realise that they were all
> dead - or real professionals who've planned heaps and heaps of escape
> routes for when their defenses are overwhelmed.

Uh, I'll take Door #2.

Mockingbird
Message no. 98
From: Iridios iridios@*********.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 23:03:26 -0400
Mockingbird wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rand Ratinac <docwagon101@*****.com>
> To: <srfanfic@*********.org>
> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 1999 9:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [RA:S Project] Update
>
> >
> > > I was under the impression that at least some of the sub-basement
> > levels were parking garages (like the one the Ork Underground broke
> > into).
> >
> > They are, but only the top few. *sigh* Should've checked RA:S last
> > night.
> >
>
> B1 is maintence tunnels for the mall, B2-B6 are parking garages. The fusion
> reactors are on the lowest level, B21.

So what, in general, occupies levels B7 down to B20? I could maybe
see a number of them being used as "machine rooms", floors dedicated
to the running of water pumps, elevators, power distribution, air
conditioning, and etc. But 14!?

--
Iridios
"Accept what you cannot avoid,
Avoid what you cannot accept."
Message no. 99
From: Mockingbird mockingbird@*********.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 08:50:05 -0500
----- Original Message -----
From: Iridios <iridios@*********.com>
To: <srfanfic@*********.org>
Sent: Friday, June 18, 1999 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: [RA:S Project] Update
>
> So what, in general, occupies levels B7 down to B20? I could maybe
> see a number of them being used as "machine rooms", floors dedicated
> to the running of water pumps, elevators, power distribution, air
> conditioning, and etc. But 14!?
>
> --
> Iridios
> "Accept what you cannot avoid,
> Avoid what you cannot accept."
>
>
>

Don't have R:AS handy, but I know that B7 is a Mainframe Manufacturing
center. I believe it is mostly R&D labs (if you have a copy, look in the
back, it has a listing of what each floor is).

Mockingbird
Message no. 100
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 00:11:28 -0700 (PDT)
> So what, in general, occupies levels B7 down to B20? I could maybe
see a number of them being used as "machine rooms", floors dedicated to
the running of water pumps, elevators, power distribution, air
conditioning, and etc. But 14!?
> Iridios

Iridios -

The arc is TOTALLY self-sufficient. I think a lot of the floors are
used for growing food (hydroponics, aquaculture, that kind of thing),
cleaning water and sewage-related functions (reclamation plants etc.).
There's probably other stuff, but I can never remember and RA:S is at home.
==Doc'
(aka Mr. Freaky Big, Super-Dynamic Troll of Tomorrow)

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Message no. 101
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 00:42:24 -0700 (PDT)
Okay, people, I've finally gotten through the nearly 400 items of mail
I got from you and ShadowRN over the last few days - and what I've
noticed is that most of you have been a bit slack.

*sound of tongue clucking*

I've only gotten ONE new story outline from you guys (Tay-Dor) and I've
gotten NO updated story outlines. Mockingbird and I are in conference
on his ideas for the Renraku team story and GreyWolf is working on the
shadow team characters (GreyWolf! Where's that story outline I
wanted???). As for the rest of you - NOTHING!!

So I'm repeating my call. If you intend to write a story, then send me
either your most current version of your story outline (if you've sent
one before), or your original story outline (if you haven't sent me
your ideas yet). Or, if you DON'T know what to write about, but do want
to write, LET ME KNOW!

Can we do that over the next few days? It'd be good to have a basic
outline of the book format by the end of this week or early next week.
==Doc'
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Message no. 102
From: Ahuizotl cuellare@***.telmex.net.mx
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:38:21 -0500
> I've only gotten ONE new story outline from you guys (Tay-Dor) and I've
...
> wanted???). As for the rest of you - NOTHING!!
>

I was logout from inteernet this week, I´m re writting my outline
history in spanish i will send to you in english the next month i hope,
but still cound me in.

Saludos
Ahuizotl


>
> Can we do that over the next few days? It'd be good to have a basic
> outline of the book format by the end of this week or early next week.
> ==> Doc'
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>
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Message no. 103
From: Ayla Renee ReneeKrena@********.net
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 03:09:10 -0500
With all the various threads running through here and excellent ideas
being thrown out, I'm honestly *VERY* confused as to whos doing what, whats
been decided and what hasn't and where everyone stands on issues. I'm
probably the only one in this position, so I'll keep my mouth shut on the
issue, and wait to see something hard set. Actual plots and characters
coming out...and see the tone that you want to set for the novel before I
start my writing.

Incedentally, if you ever go to Vegas, the gaming there is horrible. I went
to every gaming store I could find, only 3 of them had RPGs, and only 1 had
any Shadowrun.. Coudlnt' find the book, so I'm going to order it from your
freind, Doc...


-----Original Message-----
From: Rand Ratinac <docwagon101@*****.com>
To: srfanfic@*********.org <srfanfic@*********.org>
Date: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 3:34 AM
Subject: Re: [RA:S Project] Update


>> <pout mode>
>> Would everyone stop telling me what to do with my story?
>> </pout mode>
>>
>> Seriously, it sounds like a good thing to do would be to have my
>story kinda be the wrap-up story. It'll intersect every thread, and
>every intersection will be relatively major. That way, we wouldn't have
>to do some sort of group end-story. Just a suggestion.
>
>Well, you've seen what I've said about the ending story, but nothing's
>set in stone. Write it how you want to, but be prepared for major
>changes.
>
>> A question: are all stories concurrent? I mean, if non-thread
>Story A takes place on Monday at 11:00, does Story B take place later
>on Monday or on Tuesday, or do certain events take place on Monday at
>11:00 as well?
>> --Strago
>
>It all depends on the stories themselves. I can't say at this time.
>Stories may or may not overlap. Stories are ALLOWED to overlap - or
>stories can take place at quiet varied times (well, within the space of
>three or four days at most, probably). Hmmm...rephrase. Anything in
>side stories that takes place WHILE the teams are inside the arc must
>happen within the space of three to four days - or possibly less.
>Anything in them that happens OUTSIDE of that time (for instance,
>Scott's fixer who's trying to get a team together to go into the arc,
>or Iridios' news team that gets stuck inside when Deus takes over) can
>happen pretty much whenver the writer wants it to happen.
>==>Doc'
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>
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>
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Message no. 104
From: Scott Wheelock iscottw@*****.nb.ca
Subject: [RA:S Project] Update
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:47:51 -0300
"And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to Rand Ratinac."
] *sound of tongue clucking*

That tongue clucking's been sitting in my mailbox for a while now,
clucking at me. Here's yer darn outline, ya slave-driver ;)

A fixer, name of...I dunno yet, let's say Ed, anyway, a fixer name of
Ed sees some footage of the Renraku Arcology that some enterprising
journalist has snuck off with (this may have to be altered after I read
RA:S), and sees a shot of a relative of his that he thought was long
dead. Getting himself into a frenzy, he quickly cancels his
appointments (or some such thing) and tries to get some of his runner
contacts to make a foray into the Arc. Ed's only a middling level
fixer though, and either he doesn't know anyone who's hot enough to
take the risk, or the teams that could do it are busy (yeah, sounds
flimsy, but I'll work it out). This goes on for a while. Ed's a
Salish-Shidhe politician as well, and he tries to get the Council
worked up about the Arcology, but they predictably decide to ignore the issue.
Anyway, he tries and tries, and eventually his shadow reputation
starts to slip (since he's letting all his business slip, and treating
the teams who refused him like nobodies), and he is sent on a 'leave of
absence' from work (a 'shape up or you're fired' kinda thing). He gets
a tip from a street kid about an entrance to the Arc, but ends up
getting mugged.
Finally, he finds a shadow team that's going in. He petitions the
one member he knows to search for his relative, and that member takes
it to the team. They refuse, and the fixer is left behind.
The story ends with him studying a map he pirated from the team that
details the entrance, and him loading a gun.

Ta-da! The story, as I've thought of it so far. RA:S is on order (my
freakin' store is sooo stupid...they didn't even order it until
yesterday, even though I placed the order Monday last week), so things
may change, but not too heavily, I think.

The shadow team, of course, is the Shadow Team of core thread fame.
And there's the major problem...does chronology matter? Will my story
contribute _anything_, since it's already known that the team gets into
the Arc?

-Murder of One

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