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Message no. 1
From: Robert Sanders sandersrobert@*******.com
Subject: Shadow team vs. Delta Team
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 06:42:01 GMT
>From: Hunter <griffinhq@****.com>
>Reply-To: srfanfic@*********.org
>To: srfanfic@*********.org
>Subject: Re: [RA:S Project] Getting organised
>Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 01:15:48 -0400
(Cut from original)

> The first question is who do you write about (and I imagine that you've
>been over this one a couple of times). Let's do this by the numbers:
> A) A shadowrunning team: Not the most likely choice. Deniable asset,
>yes. But one likely to fail. If there's a shadow team involved, they
>were probably already inside when the shutdown happened in the first
>place.
> B) Delta team: This is far more likely, given that they'd have the
>training, equipment, and knowhow to deal with the "crisis".

I have been lurking on here and watching this unfold. I'm not familiar with
RA:S so I don't believe I could write anything accurately. Also, coupled
with the fact that I'm stationed in Turkey (Truly the end of the food
chain...) with the USAF and haven't been able to keep up with the changes to
the Shadowrun world since Dunkelzahn's death or enjoy a good game since
before even that. I just wanted to throw in my two cents worth regarding
the above statement. I think having a Shadowrun team get unexpectedly
wrapped into this would be a perfect story. You would have the obvious
protagonist of Deus, but also "Man vs. Himself" as they try to determine
whether to escape by themselves or to save some people or even rise to the
challenge of "saving the world" or at least the Arcology. This has
wonderful opportunity for betrayel from within the group as one disagrees
with another or even the leader. I am not familiar with the RA:S at all so
I can't suggest conflicts there.
If you have a "delta force" be the protagonist then you remove many of those
already built in conflicts. They should be pretty familiar with their
mission parameters so they won't be as easily surprised. They should be
militaristic so they will less likely to disagree with the mission
commander, and there won't be any choice on whether they stay to save the
people / arcology since that is the whole reason for them being in there.
Also, the conflict possibilities brought about by a lack of equipment /
training would be mostly non-existant.
Anyhow, I am watching as this all unfolds and think it is a wonderful
idea. I am especially looking forward to seeing some of these stories as
they slowly unfold into a completed collection. As for reading the "into
the shadows", I would strongly suggest it (and 90% of all the SR books) for
reference and enjoyment.
Finally, I am trying to put together a reference book, in the same style
as the Germany and UK books, for the Mediterranean (Primarily Greece /
Turkey) but will include most of the Middle East. This area has been
mentioned a couple of times and seems to be prominent in the history and
would be entertaining to explore. (Libya / Israel firing weapons of mass
destruction (nukes / biological), Middle East pushing into Europe during the
Desert wars and getting as far as Germany (I think, I don't have my book at
the moment...) before being repelled. Ankara is even mentioned in one of
the novels off-handedly so it must still be active and there. Couple this
with Greek mythology and I think it would be interesting. I would love any
input about this idea and suggestions are VERY welcome. Working in Turkey
and with a Anti-terrorism/Counter-Intelligence squadron gives me a unique
perspective, but I can always use help. Anyhow, this "quick note" as usual
has become a novella on its own so thanks for listening to my rambling and
two cents worth... :)

Robert



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Message no. 2
From: Aaron Binns sparrow@***.net.au
Subject: Shadow team vs. Delta Team
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 19:20:52 +1000
> I have been lurking on here and watching this unfold. I'm not familiar with
> RA:S so I don't believe I could write anything accurately. Also, coupled
> with the fact that I'm stationed in Turkey (Truly the end of the food
> chain...) with the USAF and haven't been able to keep up with the changes to
> the Shadowrun world since Dunkelzahn's death or enjoy a good game since
> before even that. I just wanted to throw in my two cents worth regarding
> the above statement. I think having a Shadowrun team get unexpectedly
> wrapped into this would be a perfect story. You would have the obvious
> protagonist of Deus, but also "Man vs. Himself" as they try to determine
> whether to escape by themselves or to save some people or even rise to the
> challenge of "saving the world" or at least the Arcology. This has
> wonderful opportunity for betrayel from within the group as one disagrees
> with another or even the leader. I am not familiar with the RA:S at all so
> I can't suggest conflicts there.
> If you have a "delta force" be the protagonist then you remove many of
those
> already built in conflicts. They should be pretty familiar with their
> mission parameters so they won't be as easily surprised. They should be
> militaristic so they will less likely to disagree with the mission
> commander, and there won't be any choice on whether they stay to save the
> people / arcology since that is the whole reason for them being in there.
> Also, the conflict possibilities brought about by a lack of equipment /
> training would be mostly non-existant.
> Anyhow, I am watching as this all unfolds and think it is a wonderful
> idea. I am especially looking forward to seeing some of these stories as
> they slowly unfold into a completed collection. As for reading the "into
> the shadows", I would strongly suggest it (and 90% of all the SR books) for
> reference and enjoyment.
> Finally, I am trying to put together a reference book, in the same style
> as the Germany and UK books, for the Mediterranean (Primarily Greece /
> Turkey) but will include most of the Middle East. This area has been
> mentioned a couple of times and seems to be prominent in the history and
> would be entertaining to explore. (Libya / Israel firing weapons of mass
> destruction (nukes / biological), Middle East pushing into Europe during the
> Desert wars and getting as far as Germany (I think, I don't have my book at
> the moment...) before being repelled. Ankara is even mentioned in one of
> the novels off-handedly so it must still be active and there. Couple this
> with Greek mythology and I think it would be interesting. I would love any
> input about this idea and suggestions are VERY welcome. Working in Turkey
> and with a Anti-terrorism/Counter-Intelligence squadron gives me a unique
> perspective, but I can always use help. Anyhow, this "quick note" as usual
> has become a novella on its own so thanks for listening to my rambling and
> two cents worth... :)
>
> Robert

If youre ever posted to Australia (though I cant see Aussies requiring a USAF
anti-terrorist team of any description) email round and perhaps you can get in a
few games on time-off if youre in the right areas.. but I digress..

Exactly what do you define in the med/ME as far as what contries are invoved? is
france a med country youd cover os is that in europe rather than the med? whats
about gibralter and any hidden/secret military bases the UK might have (or do
have?) there? could spain (if included) actually take back from the french the
southern part of france that they lost so long ago? might italy have their totem
spirits based round the pope? Ok i might be starting to drift into humour.. give a
bit more detail on what youre planning.. Id be interested to hear more :)

GreyWolf
Message no. 3
From: Ayla Renee ReneeKrena@********.net
Subject: Shadow team vs. Delta Team
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 10:41:00 -0500
Dangit! Stop giving away ideas ;-) That was one I was toying, though I
wasn't thinking about a team. One magic user, probably Shaman... just in for
a shopping trip after her run. I dunno, I was kinda planning on her actually
joining up with the shadow team. Not really sure yet what I'll do though.
This ones such an overdone idea...

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Sanders <sandersrobert@*******.com>
To: srfanfic@*********.org <srfanfic@*********.org>
Date: Monday, June 07, 1999 2:54 AM
Subject: Shadow team vs. Delta Team


>
>
>
>>From: Hunter <griffinhq@****.com>
>>Reply-To: srfanfic@*********.org
>>To: srfanfic@*********.org
>>Subject: Re: [RA:S Project] Getting organised
>>Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 01:15:48 -0400
>(Cut from original)
>
>> The first question is who do you write about (and I imagine that you've
>>been over this one a couple of times). Let's do this by the numbers:
>> A) A shadowrunning team: Not the most likely choice. Deniable asset,
>>yes. But one likely to fail. If there's a shadow team involved, they
>>were probably already inside when the shutdown happened in the first
>>place.
>> B) Delta team: This is far more likely, given that they'd have the
>>training, equipment, and knowhow to deal with the "crisis".
>
>I have been lurking on here and watching this unfold. I'm not familiar
with
>RA:S so I don't believe I could write anything accurately. Also, coupled
>with the fact that I'm stationed in Turkey (Truly the end of the food
>chain...) with the USAF and haven't been able to keep up with the changes
to
>the Shadowrun world since Dunkelzahn's death or enjoy a good game since
>before even that. I just wanted to throw in my two cents worth regarding
>the above statement. I think having a Shadowrun team get unexpectedly
>wrapped into this would be a perfect story. You would have the obvious
>protagonist of Deus, but also "Man vs. Himself" as they try to determine
>whether to escape by themselves or to save some people or even rise to the
>challenge of "saving the world" or at least the Arcology. This has
>wonderful opportunity for betrayel from within the group as one disagrees
>with another or even the leader. I am not familiar with the RA:S at all so
>I can't suggest conflicts there.
>If you have a "delta force" be the protagonist then you remove many of
those
>already built in conflicts. They should be pretty familiar with their
>mission parameters so they won't be as easily surprised. They should be
>militaristic so they will less likely to disagree with the mission
>commander, and there won't be any choice on whether they stay to save the
>people / arcology since that is the whole reason for them being in there.
>Also, the conflict possibilities brought about by a lack of equipment /
>training would be mostly non-existant.
> Anyhow, I am watching as this all unfolds and think it is a wonderful
>idea. I am especially looking forward to seeing some of these stories as
>they slowly unfold into a completed collection. As for reading the "into
>the shadows", I would strongly suggest it (and 90% of all the SR books) for
>reference and enjoyment.
> Finally, I am trying to put together a reference book, in the same style
>as the Germany and UK books, for the Mediterranean (Primarily Greece /
>Turkey) but will include most of the Middle East. This area has been
>mentioned a couple of times and seems to be prominent in the history and
>would be entertaining to explore. (Libya / Israel firing weapons of mass
>destruction (nukes / biological), Middle East pushing into Europe during
the
>Desert wars and getting as far as Germany (I think, I don't have my book at
>the moment...) before being repelled. Ankara is even mentioned in one of
>the novels off-handedly so it must still be active and there. Couple this
>with Greek mythology and I think it would be interesting. I would love any
>input about this idea and suggestions are VERY welcome. Working in Turkey
>and with a Anti-terrorism/Counter-Intelligence squadron gives me a unique
>perspective, but I can always use help. Anyhow, this "quick note" as usual
>has become a novella on its own so thanks for listening to my rambling and
>two cents worth... :)
>
>Robert
>
>
>
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>
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Message no. 4
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: Shadow team vs. Delta Team
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 19:10:48 -0700 (PDT)
> > I have been lurking on here and watching this unfold. I'm not
familiar with RA:S so I don't believe I could write anything
accurately. Also, coupled with the fact that I'm stationed in Turkey
(Truly the end of the food chain...) with the USAF and haven't been
able to keep up with the changes to the Shadowrun world since
Dunkelzahn's death or enjoy a good game since before even that. I just
wanted to throw in my two cents worth regarding the above statement. I
think having a Shadowrun team get unexpectedly wrapped into this would
be a perfect story. You would have the obvious protagonist of Deus,
but also "Man vs. Himself" as they try to determine whether to escape
by themselves or to save some people or even rise to the challenge of
"saving the world" or at least the Arcology. This has wonderful
opportunity for betrayel from within the group as one disagrees with
another or even the leader. I am not familiar with the RA:S at all so
I can't suggest conflicts there.

Hmmm...wonder why I didn't get the original of this.

Anyway, Robert, yes, that's a good idea - but it's also a BIG idea.
It's one of those ones that I think would be good as a novel, but is
too complex to play out in a linked anthology (braided novel,
whatever). Opposition has to be simple (Deus and his goons) and more or
less direct. Otherwise resolution of all the issues involved will take
up most of the book, leaving little room for people who DON'T want to
centre their stories around the core groups.


> > If you have a "delta force" be the protagonist then you remove many
of those already built in conflicts. They should be pretty familiar
with their mission parameters so they won't be as easily surprised.
They should be militaristic so they will less likely to disagree with
the mission commander, and there won't be any choice on whether they
stay to save the people / arcology since that is the whole reason for
them being in there.
> > Also, the conflict possibilities brought about by a lack of
equipment / training would be mostly non-existant.

Which is why they WON'T experience any of these problems. :) They'll
just get creamed from ambush. It really looks like we're going to be
going with a three thread core, in which case we'll have a UCAS
military team, a Renraku Black-Ops team and a shadow team - so we'll be
able to explore all kinds of facets of the conflicts you're talking
about - more or less.

Btw, being a military guy, can you give me some data on Delta Forces?
How they operate, communications conventions, etc. etc. - anything like
that? I'll be writing the story introducing the military team, so I'll
need to know this kind of stuff. I'll ask questions as they occur to
me.

> > Anyhow, I am watching as this all unfolds and think it is a
wonderful idea. I am especially looking forward to seeing some of
these stories as they slowly unfold into a completed collection. As
for reading the "into the shadows", I would strongly suggest it (and
90% of all the SR books) for reference and enjoyment.

Robert has a good point - at the very least, try to read "Into the
Shadows" - it's very similar to what we're trying to achieve here.

> > Finally, I am trying to put together a reference book, in the
same style as the Germany and UK books, for the Mediterranean
(Primarily Greece / Turkey) but will include most of the Middle East.
This area has been mentioned a couple of times and seems to be
prominent in the history and would be entertaining to explore. (Libya /
Israel firing weapons of mass destruction (nukes / biological), Middle
East pushing into Europe during the Desert wars and getting as far as
Germany (I think, I don't have my book at the moment...) before being
repelled. Ankara is even mentioned in one of the novels off-handedly
so it must still be active and there. Couple this with Greek mythology
and I think it would be interesting. I would love any input about this
idea and suggestions are VERY welcome. Working in Turkey and with a
Anti-terrorism/Counter-Intelligence squadron gives me a unique
perspective, but I can always use help. Anyhow, this "quick note" as
usual has become a novella on its own so thanks for listening to my
rambling and two cents worth... :)
> > Robert

Afraid I can't help much there. I don't know squat about Greek
mythology - well, belay that. I actually do know a bit about the
earlier stuff, although it's been a while. As for the modern, Shadowrun
stuff...I could look it up, but I don't know it offhand.
==Doc'
(aka Mr. Freaky Big, Super-Dynamic Troll of Tomorrow)

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Message no. 5
From: Robert Sanders sandersrobert@*******.com
Subject: Shadow team vs. Delta Team
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 06:42:01 GMT
>From: Hunter <griffinhq@****.com>
>Reply-To: srfanfic@*********.org
>To: srfanfic@*********.org
>Subject: Re: [RA:S Project] Getting organised
>Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 01:15:48 -0400
(Cut from original)

> The first question is who do you write about (and I imagine that you've
>been over this one a couple of times). Let's do this by the numbers:
> A) A shadowrunning team: Not the most likely choice. Deniable asset,
>yes. But one likely to fail. If there's a shadow team involved, they
>were probably already inside when the shutdown happened in the first
>place.
> B) Delta team: This is far more likely, given that they'd have the
>training, equipment, and knowhow to deal with the "crisis".

I have been lurking on here and watching this unfold. I'm not familiar with
RA:S so I don't believe I could write anything accurately. Also, coupled
with the fact that I'm stationed in Turkey (Truly the end of the food
chain...) with the USAF and haven't been able to keep up with the changes to
the Shadowrun world since Dunkelzahn's death or enjoy a good game since
before even that. I just wanted to throw in my two cents worth regarding
the above statement. I think having a Shadowrun team get unexpectedly
wrapped into this would be a perfect story. You would have the obvious
protagonist of Deus, but also "Man vs. Himself" as they try to determine
whether to escape by themselves or to save some people or even rise to the
challenge of "saving the world" or at least the Arcology. This has
wonderful opportunity for betrayel from within the group as one disagrees
with another or even the leader. I am not familiar with the RA:S at all so
I can't suggest conflicts there.
If you have a "delta force" be the protagonist then you remove many of those
already built in conflicts. They should be pretty familiar with their
mission parameters so they won't be as easily surprised. They should be
militaristic so they will less likely to disagree with the mission
commander, and there won't be any choice on whether they stay to save the
people / arcology since that is the whole reason for them being in there.
Also, the conflict possibilities brought about by a lack of equipment /
training would be mostly non-existant.
Anyhow, I am watching as this all unfolds and think it is a wonderful
idea. I am especially looking forward to seeing some of these stories as
they slowly unfold into a completed collection. As for reading the "into
the shadows", I would strongly suggest it (and 90% of all the SR books) for
reference and enjoyment.
Finally, I am trying to put together a reference book, in the same style
as the Germany and UK books, for the Mediterranean (Primarily Greece /
Turkey) but will include most of the Middle East. This area has been
mentioned a couple of times and seems to be prominent in the history and
would be entertaining to explore. (Libya / Israel firing weapons of mass
destruction (nukes / biological), Middle East pushing into Europe during the
Desert wars and getting as far as Germany (I think, I don't have my book at
the moment...) before being repelled. Ankara is even mentioned in one of
the novels off-handedly so it must still be active and there. Couple this
with Greek mythology and I think it would be interesting. I would love any
input about this idea and suggestions are VERY welcome. Working in Turkey
and with a Anti-terrorism/Counter-Intelligence squadron gives me a unique
perspective, but I can always use help. Anyhow, this "quick note" as usual
has become a novella on its own so thanks for listening to my rambling and
two cents worth... :)

Robert



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Message no. 6
From: Aaron Binns sparrow@***.net.au
Subject: Shadow team vs. Delta Team
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 19:20:52 +1000
> I have been lurking on here and watching this unfold. I'm not familiar with
> RA:S so I don't believe I could write anything accurately. Also, coupled
> with the fact that I'm stationed in Turkey (Truly the end of the food
> chain...) with the USAF and haven't been able to keep up with the changes to
> the Shadowrun world since Dunkelzahn's death or enjoy a good game since
> before even that. I just wanted to throw in my two cents worth regarding
> the above statement. I think having a Shadowrun team get unexpectedly
> wrapped into this would be a perfect story. You would have the obvious
> protagonist of Deus, but also "Man vs. Himself" as they try to determine
> whether to escape by themselves or to save some people or even rise to the
> challenge of "saving the world" or at least the Arcology. This has
> wonderful opportunity for betrayel from within the group as one disagrees
> with another or even the leader. I am not familiar with the RA:S at all so
> I can't suggest conflicts there.
> If you have a "delta force" be the protagonist then you remove many of
those
> already built in conflicts. They should be pretty familiar with their
> mission parameters so they won't be as easily surprised. They should be
> militaristic so they will less likely to disagree with the mission
> commander, and there won't be any choice on whether they stay to save the
> people / arcology since that is the whole reason for them being in there.
> Also, the conflict possibilities brought about by a lack of equipment /
> training would be mostly non-existant.
> Anyhow, I am watching as this all unfolds and think it is a wonderful
> idea. I am especially looking forward to seeing some of these stories as
> they slowly unfold into a completed collection. As for reading the "into
> the shadows", I would strongly suggest it (and 90% of all the SR books) for
> reference and enjoyment.
> Finally, I am trying to put together a reference book, in the same style
> as the Germany and UK books, for the Mediterranean (Primarily Greece /
> Turkey) but will include most of the Middle East. This area has been
> mentioned a couple of times and seems to be prominent in the history and
> would be entertaining to explore. (Libya / Israel firing weapons of mass
> destruction (nukes / biological), Middle East pushing into Europe during the
> Desert wars and getting as far as Germany (I think, I don't have my book at
> the moment...) before being repelled. Ankara is even mentioned in one of
> the novels off-handedly so it must still be active and there. Couple this
> with Greek mythology and I think it would be interesting. I would love any
> input about this idea and suggestions are VERY welcome. Working in Turkey
> and with a Anti-terrorism/Counter-Intelligence squadron gives me a unique
> perspective, but I can always use help. Anyhow, this "quick note" as usual
> has become a novella on its own so thanks for listening to my rambling and
> two cents worth... :)
>
> Robert

If youre ever posted to Australia (though I cant see Aussies requiring a USAF
anti-terrorist team of any description) email round and perhaps you can get in a
few games on time-off if youre in the right areas.. but I digress..

Exactly what do you define in the med/ME as far as what contries are invoved? is
france a med country youd cover os is that in europe rather than the med? whats
about gibralter and any hidden/secret military bases the UK might have (or do
have?) there? could spain (if included) actually take back from the french the
southern part of france that they lost so long ago? might italy have their totem
spirits based round the pope? Ok i might be starting to drift into humour.. give a
bit more detail on what youre planning.. Id be interested to hear more :)

GreyWolf
Message no. 7
From: Ayla Renee ReneeKrena@********.net
Subject: Shadow team vs. Delta Team
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 10:41:00 -0500
Dangit! Stop giving away ideas ;-) That was one I was toying, though I
wasn't thinking about a team. One magic user, probably Shaman... just in for
a shopping trip after her run. I dunno, I was kinda planning on her actually
joining up with the shadow team. Not really sure yet what I'll do though.
This ones such an overdone idea...

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Sanders <sandersrobert@*******.com>
To: srfanfic@*********.org <srfanfic@*********.org>
Date: Monday, June 07, 1999 2:54 AM
Subject: Shadow team vs. Delta Team


>
>
>
>>From: Hunter <griffinhq@****.com>
>>Reply-To: srfanfic@*********.org
>>To: srfanfic@*********.org
>>Subject: Re: [RA:S Project] Getting organised
>>Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 01:15:48 -0400
>(Cut from original)
>
>> The first question is who do you write about (and I imagine that you've
>>been over this one a couple of times). Let's do this by the numbers:
>> A) A shadowrunning team: Not the most likely choice. Deniable asset,
>>yes. But one likely to fail. If there's a shadow team involved, they
>>were probably already inside when the shutdown happened in the first
>>place.
>> B) Delta team: This is far more likely, given that they'd have the
>>training, equipment, and knowhow to deal with the "crisis".
>
>I have been lurking on here and watching this unfold. I'm not familiar
with
>RA:S so I don't believe I could write anything accurately. Also, coupled
>with the fact that I'm stationed in Turkey (Truly the end of the food
>chain...) with the USAF and haven't been able to keep up with the changes
to
>the Shadowrun world since Dunkelzahn's death or enjoy a good game since
>before even that. I just wanted to throw in my two cents worth regarding
>the above statement. I think having a Shadowrun team get unexpectedly
>wrapped into this would be a perfect story. You would have the obvious
>protagonist of Deus, but also "Man vs. Himself" as they try to determine
>whether to escape by themselves or to save some people or even rise to the
>challenge of "saving the world" or at least the Arcology. This has
>wonderful opportunity for betrayel from within the group as one disagrees
>with another or even the leader. I am not familiar with the RA:S at all so
>I can't suggest conflicts there.
>If you have a "delta force" be the protagonist then you remove many of
those
>already built in conflicts. They should be pretty familiar with their
>mission parameters so they won't be as easily surprised. They should be
>militaristic so they will less likely to disagree with the mission
>commander, and there won't be any choice on whether they stay to save the
>people / arcology since that is the whole reason for them being in there.
>Also, the conflict possibilities brought about by a lack of equipment /
>training would be mostly non-existant.
> Anyhow, I am watching as this all unfolds and think it is a wonderful
>idea. I am especially looking forward to seeing some of these stories as
>they slowly unfold into a completed collection. As for reading the "into
>the shadows", I would strongly suggest it (and 90% of all the SR books) for
>reference and enjoyment.
> Finally, I am trying to put together a reference book, in the same style
>as the Germany and UK books, for the Mediterranean (Primarily Greece /
>Turkey) but will include most of the Middle East. This area has been
>mentioned a couple of times and seems to be prominent in the history and
>would be entertaining to explore. (Libya / Israel firing weapons of mass
>destruction (nukes / biological), Middle East pushing into Europe during
the
>Desert wars and getting as far as Germany (I think, I don't have my book at
>the moment...) before being repelled. Ankara is even mentioned in one of
>the novels off-handedly so it must still be active and there. Couple this
>with Greek mythology and I think it would be interesting. I would love any
>input about this idea and suggestions are VERY welcome. Working in Turkey
>and with a Anti-terrorism/Counter-Intelligence squadron gives me a unique
>perspective, but I can always use help. Anyhow, this "quick note" as usual
>has become a novella on its own so thanks for listening to my rambling and
>two cents worth... :)
>
>Robert
>
>
>
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>
>
Message no. 8
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: Shadow team vs. Delta Team
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 19:10:48 -0700 (PDT)
> > I have been lurking on here and watching this unfold. I'm not
familiar with RA:S so I don't believe I could write anything
accurately. Also, coupled with the fact that I'm stationed in Turkey
(Truly the end of the food chain...) with the USAF and haven't been
able to keep up with the changes to the Shadowrun world since
Dunkelzahn's death or enjoy a good game since before even that. I just
wanted to throw in my two cents worth regarding the above statement. I
think having a Shadowrun team get unexpectedly wrapped into this would
be a perfect story. You would have the obvious protagonist of Deus,
but also "Man vs. Himself" as they try to determine whether to escape
by themselves or to save some people or even rise to the challenge of
"saving the world" or at least the Arcology. This has wonderful
opportunity for betrayel from within the group as one disagrees with
another or even the leader. I am not familiar with the RA:S at all so
I can't suggest conflicts there.

Hmmm...wonder why I didn't get the original of this.

Anyway, Robert, yes, that's a good idea - but it's also a BIG idea.
It's one of those ones that I think would be good as a novel, but is
too complex to play out in a linked anthology (braided novel,
whatever). Opposition has to be simple (Deus and his goons) and more or
less direct. Otherwise resolution of all the issues involved will take
up most of the book, leaving little room for people who DON'T want to
centre their stories around the core groups.


> > If you have a "delta force" be the protagonist then you remove many
of those already built in conflicts. They should be pretty familiar
with their mission parameters so they won't be as easily surprised.
They should be militaristic so they will less likely to disagree with
the mission commander, and there won't be any choice on whether they
stay to save the people / arcology since that is the whole reason for
them being in there.
> > Also, the conflict possibilities brought about by a lack of
equipment / training would be mostly non-existant.

Which is why they WON'T experience any of these problems. :) They'll
just get creamed from ambush. It really looks like we're going to be
going with a three thread core, in which case we'll have a UCAS
military team, a Renraku Black-Ops team and a shadow team - so we'll be
able to explore all kinds of facets of the conflicts you're talking
about - more or less.

Btw, being a military guy, can you give me some data on Delta Forces?
How they operate, communications conventions, etc. etc. - anything like
that? I'll be writing the story introducing the military team, so I'll
need to know this kind of stuff. I'll ask questions as they occur to
me.

> > Anyhow, I am watching as this all unfolds and think it is a
wonderful idea. I am especially looking forward to seeing some of
these stories as they slowly unfold into a completed collection. As
for reading the "into the shadows", I would strongly suggest it (and
90% of all the SR books) for reference and enjoyment.

Robert has a good point - at the very least, try to read "Into the
Shadows" - it's very similar to what we're trying to achieve here.

> > Finally, I am trying to put together a reference book, in the
same style as the Germany and UK books, for the Mediterranean
(Primarily Greece / Turkey) but will include most of the Middle East.
This area has been mentioned a couple of times and seems to be
prominent in the history and would be entertaining to explore. (Libya /
Israel firing weapons of mass destruction (nukes / biological), Middle
East pushing into Europe during the Desert wars and getting as far as
Germany (I think, I don't have my book at the moment...) before being
repelled. Ankara is even mentioned in one of the novels off-handedly
so it must still be active and there. Couple this with Greek mythology
and I think it would be interesting. I would love any input about this
idea and suggestions are VERY welcome. Working in Turkey and with a
Anti-terrorism/Counter-Intelligence squadron gives me a unique
perspective, but I can always use help. Anyhow, this "quick note" as
usual has become a novella on its own so thanks for listening to my
rambling and two cents worth... :)
> > Robert

Afraid I can't help much there. I don't know squat about Greek
mythology - well, belay that. I actually do know a bit about the
earlier stuff, although it's been a while. As for the modern, Shadowrun
stuff...I could look it up, but I don't know it offhand.
==Doc'
(aka Mr. Freaky Big, Super-Dynamic Troll of Tomorrow)

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