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Message no. 1
From: Nightfox <DJWA@******.UCC.NAU.EDU>
Subject: 2055 + guns
Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 15:39:46 -0700
I believe that it says somewhere that America has something like 1.5 - 3 guns
per person (Yes all you people from Europe - American are just slightly nuts)
I can see this as truth since the nice oaken gun cabinet in our living room at
home has about 12 guns (all hunting rifles or Flint locks - yes we used to hunt
more back out east - 2-3 Deer a year for the family - Venison is GOOD).


What I'm wondering is how many guns per person do you think there is in
shadowrun? Probably more but with many people not having guns and others having
a lot of them.


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Message no. 2
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: 2055 + guns
Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 20:08:09 -0400
>>>>> "Nightfox" == Nightfox <DJWA@******.UCC.NAU.EDU>
writes:

Nightfox> I believe that it says somewhere that America has something like
Nightfox> 1.5 - 3 guns per person (Yes all you people from Europe -
Nightfox> American are just slightly nuts) I can see this as truth since
Nightfox> the nice oaken gun cabinet in our living room at home has about
Nightfox> 12 guns (all hunting rifles or Flint locks - yes we used to hunt
Nightfox> more back out east - 2-3 Deer a year for the family - Venison is
Nightfox> GOOD).

That's the problem with statistics and how misleading they can be. Most
firearms owners own several weapons for various purposes, primarilly
hunting and collecting. People who own a single weapon usually own it for
defense. Take your own home for example, 12 weapons in all; how big is your
immediate family? Now take my own home. My dad owns 4 (.30-.30 rifle, .22
target rifle, 12ga shotgun, and .22LR handgun), but there are 5 other
people living in this house, none of whom own firearms; that's less than 1
each on average. Most of the people in my neighborhood don't own any
firearms.

Nightfox> What I'm wondering is how many guns per person do you think there
Nightfox> is in shadowrun? Probably more but with many people not having
Nightfox> guns and others having a lot of them.

Again, depends on a lot of factors, like where you live and how paranoid
you are :). People in urban areas like most of the Seattle 'plex on average
(remember those statistics) will own some kind of weapon for self defense
(I include things like tasers and mace). Suburban areas will tend to see
fewer weapons, mostly small handguns and sporting rifles and shotguns.
"Combat Zones" and ghettoes will tend to have more weapons, ranging from
zip guns and SNSpecials to heavier shotguns and rifles. Automatic weapons
in the hand of indigs will be few and far between, being hack conversions
of semi-automatic versions (dangerous to use) or weapons stolen from
careless [read dead] Shadowrunners.

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Message no. 3
From: Dave S Johnson <john0286@****.TC.UMN.EDU>
Subject: Re: 2055 + guns
Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 19:04:18 -0500
On Tue, 10 May 1994, Nightfox wrote:

> What I'm wondering is how many guns per person do you think there is in
> shadowrun? Probably more but with many people not having guns and others having
> a lot of them.
>
Good ques. I would guess the overall average would be about the same as
today, 2-4.
Those who have guns would have more. I myself, my character, has 5
personal guns and about 36 others in storage for misc. uses. But you have
to take magic in to account. Some my not need guns . . . Most mages I
know have only 1 gun, or none at all.

Dave S Johnson
Message no. 4
From: Thorben Woehler <tew@****.INFORMATIK.RWTH-AACHEN.DE>
Subject: Re: 2055 + guns
Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 14:44:56 +0200
> Those who have guns would have more. I myself, my character, has 5
> personal guns and about 36 others in storage for misc. uses. But you have
> to take magic in to account. Some my not need guns . . . Most mages I
> know have only 1 gun, or none at all.

Right... my MAGE does have ONE gun, but he does not know how to use it...
'Was this little thing down there the TRIGGER????' - Sam dives for cover... :)

SHADE



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