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Message no. 1
From: Neal A Porter <nap@*****.PHYSICS.SWIN.OZ.AU>
Subject: Re: [2] Fetishes, Astrally active??
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 1994 14:06:17 +1100
>
>> True, except that to make a fetish you done need to enchant, you just
>> need talismongering. You dont even have to be a mage. Check the contacts
>> section of SR for the talismonger.
>> A'Deus.
>
>
>Hmm. In the Grimoire 2nd ed. under fetishes, it specifically says that an
>Enchantment Test must be done (albeit with a T.N of 4, I think).
>Therefore, since enchantment is used, there establishes a permanent link which
>CAN be used for grounding.
>Can anyone who says that fetishes are NOT astrally present please give me the
>reasoning behind their argument.
> ||
>|| Micah Levy

OK lets try this, if you go by the principle that for an item to be enchanted
that it requires some 'life force' of its only, as astrally active things are
considered entities in their own right on the astral plane. In the creation
of all major items the enchanter give up part of his/her life force (karma) to
endow the item with a life of its own. The point to note here is that for
creation of a fetish no karma is expended. As to the enchanting test I believe
that the concentration/specification to create fetishs is talismongering (from
enchanting, like spell casting is a subset of sorcery).

How this, conversely what is your reasoning behind fetishes being astrally
active?

A'Deus.
Message no. 2
From: Michael Garoni <Michael_Garoni@****.INTERSOLV.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: [2] Fetishes, Astrally active??
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 1994 17:14:00 LCL
A'Deus:
:] OK lets try this, if you go by the principle that for an item to be
:]enchanted
:]that it requires some 'life force' of its only, as astrally active things are
:]considered entities in their own right on the astral plane. In the creation
:]of all major items the enchanter give up part of his/her life force (karma) to
:]endow the item with a life of its own. The point to note here is that for
:]creation of a fetish no karma is expended. As to the enchanting test I believe
:]that the concentration/specification to create fetishs is talismongering (from
:]enchanting, like spell casting is a subset of sorcery).
:]
:] How this, conversely what is your reasoning behind fetishes being astrally
:]active?

Obi Wan Garoni:
There's also the fact that you don't have to bond fetishes etc. In fact you
can't bond the little beggars, even if you wanted to.
Message no. 3
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: [2] Fetishes, Astrally active??
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 1994 13:39:31 -0500
ML> Hmm. In the Grimoire 2nd ed. under fetishes, it specifically says that
ML> an Enchantment Test must be done (albeit with a T.N of 4, I think).

Talismongering is a Concentration of Enchanting. So is Alchemy. Neither
create astrally active artifacts or materials. Artificing is the third
Concentration of Enchanting, and is concerned with the creation of foci,
which are astrally active.

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