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Message no. 1
From: scotthiller2002@*****.com (Scott Hiller)
Subject: 4e Chicago
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 07:48:03 -0700 (PDT)
OK. Has anything major happened to change the Chicago
situation? Is it still an Escape From New York
scenario with a bunch of Snake Pliskins and Duke of
New York warlords running around? Or have the military
and megacorps started straightening this place out
again?

-Scott
Message no. 2
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: 4e Chicago
Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 19:00:08 +0200
According to Scott Hiller, on 8-10-05 16:48 the word on the street was...
> OK. Has anything major happened to change the Chicago
> situation? Is it still an Escape From New York
> scenario with a bunch of Snake Pliskins and Duke of
> New York warlords running around? Or have the military
> and megacorps started straightening this place out
> again?

From p. 30, SR4: "Ares and the UCAS government later cleaned the city
out". This refers to the events described in the SRII-era sourcebook
Target: UCAS, which returned Chicago to a more or less normal city.

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Message no. 3
From: reynardsurface@*****.com (Pace)
Subject: 4e Chicago
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 12:03:10 -0500
Erm. I thought SoNA mentioned the fact that it was "like hell on earth", and
was basically a lawless area with Strain III bacteria still propogating
everywhere and contained by the UCAS military stationed at O'Hare?

On 10/8/05, Gurth <gurth@******.nl> wrote:
>
> According to Scott Hiller, on 8-10-05 16:48 the word on the street was...
> > OK. Has anything major happened to change the Chicago
> > situation? Is it still an Escape From New York
> > scenario with a bunch of Snake Pliskins and Duke of
> > New York warlords running around? Or have the military
> > and megacorps started straightening this place out
> > again?
>
> From p. 30, SR4: "Ares and the UCAS government later cleaned the city
> out". This refers to the events described in the SRII-era sourcebook
> Target: UCAS, which returned Chicago to a more or less normal city.
>
> --
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>
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>



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Message no. 4
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: 4e Chicago
Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 19:05:17 +0200
According to Pace, on 8-10-05 19:03 the word on the street was...

> Erm. I thought SoNA mentioned the fact that it was "like hell on earth",
and
> was basically a lawless area with Strain III bacteria still propogating
> everywhere and contained by the UCAS military stationed at O'Hare?

You could be right -- I have SONA on my shelf, but must admit I've
barely read anything in it. I got the impression from Scott's post that
he meant "Is it still as described in Bug City?"

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Message no. 5
From: reynardsurface@*****.com (Pace)
Subject: 4e Chicago
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 12:10:25 -0500
On 10/8/05, Gurth <gurth@******.nl> wrote:
>
>
> You could be right -- I have SONA on my shelf, but must admit I've
> barely read anything in it. I got the impression from Scott's post that
> he meant "Is it still as described in Bug City?"


Ah. AFAIK, no. Ares basically hosed the entire place down with Strain III,
so if there are still bugs there, they aren't happy. The ghouls were also
hit hard by this. It's mostly populated with SURGED refugees and criminal
elements, at last check. I'm actually planning a large online campaign in
Chicago, and will probably be posting a lot of the campaign info to my site.
Will keep you folks posted.

I believe I had read that they were planning to publish a "Feral Cities"
book soonish. Which describes Chicago to a T, unless something miraculous
has happened.
Message no. 6
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: 4e Chicago
Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 19:17:10 +0200
According to Pace, on 8-10-05 19:10 the word on the street was...

> Ah. AFAIK, no. Ares basically hosed the entire place down with Strain III,
> so if there are still bugs there, they aren't happy. The ghouls were also
> hit hard by this.

Yep, those are the events from Target: UCAS that I referred to.

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Message no. 7
From: flakjacket@***********.com (Simon Nixon)
Subject: 4e Chicago
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 18:38:31 +0100 (BST)
Scott Hiller wrote:

> OK. Has anything major happened to change the
> Chicago
> situation?

It's still Escape From New York territory last I heard
about it. Rob mentioned during the talk at GenCon that
it was probably going to get covered in the 'Feral
Cities' sourcebook - areas where government and
central control have broken down and it's pretty much
anarchy.

Simon
Message no. 8
From: tzeentch666@*********.net (Tzeentch)
Subject: 4e Chicago
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 11:43:51 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
From: "Simon Nixon" <flakjacket@***********.com>
> It's still Escape From New York territory last I heard
> about it. Rob mentioned during the talk at GenCon that
> it was probably going to get covered in the 'Feral
> Cities' sourcebook - areas where government and
> central control have broken down and it's pretty much
> anarchy.

-- ... Chicago was overrun with the bug spirits in 2055. That was **15 years ago**
-- Couldn't they have worked out something since then so its not STILL Snake Pliskin
Adventure Land?
Message no. 9
From: raymacey@*****.com (Ray Macey)
Subject: 4e Chicago
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 05:46:58 +1000
On 10/10/05, Tzeentch <tzeentch666@*********.net> wrote:
>
> -- ... Chicago was overrun with the bug spirits in 2055. That was **15 years ago**
> -- Couldn't they have worked out something since then so its not STILL Snake Pliskin
> Adventure Land?

They tried that, but the FAB didn't work so well :)

Of course, how the FAB has hung around for a decade or more I don't know...

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Message no. 10
From: flakjacket@***********.com (Simon Nixon)
Subject: 4e Chicago
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 01:10:26 +0100 (BST)
Tzeentch wrote:

> -- ... Chicago was overrun with the bug spirits in
> 2055. That was **15 years ago**
> -- Couldn't they have worked out something since
> then so its not STILL Snake Pliskin Adventure Land?

I suppose the big question that arises from that then
would be who's going to foot the rather large
reconstrution bill for that? The government doesn't
have the resources necessary, hell, they're stuggling
to keep things going as it is.

Only the corps or private interest groups would have
the kind of cash necessary to splash around IMO. And
with the history of bugs - and possible sleepers still
about, anarchy and FAB clouds hanging around would
they want to? You could argue tax breaks and some
government aid combined with getting to rebuild the
place in your own image but even that's pushing it I
would have thought. :/

So lets put the question out there. What are the
different ways, situations or scenarios people can
come up with to de-Pliskin Chicago? :)

Simon
Message no. 11
From: u.alberton@*****.com (Bira)
Subject: 4e Chicago
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:44:54 -0300
On 10/9/05, Simon Nixon <flakjacket@***********.com> wrote:

> So lets put the question out there. What are the
> different ways, situations or scenarios people can
> come up with to de-Pliskin Chicago? :)

I think it's likely they'll go the other way, and start tossing more
undesirables inside. It worked for Austria, didn't it? Of course, the
prisoners there eventually escaped in a big riot, but that won't worry
the authorities. The Containment Zone has military-grade security,
after all, and when that gets too expensive to mantain, they can just
give Ares the run of the place, paying a monthly fee for them to take
care of the mess as they see fit.

Never underestimate the power of complacency :).


--
Bira
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Message no. 12
From: korishinzo@*****.com (Ice Heart)
Subject: 4e Chicago
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 06:42:29 -0700 (PDT)
> So lets put the question out there. What are the
> different ways, situations or scenarios people can
> come up with to de-Pliskin Chicago? :)

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Message no. 13
From: tzeentch666@*********.net (Tzeentch)
Subject: 4e Chicago
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:26:00 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
From: "Bira" <u.alberton@*****.com>
I think it's likely they'll go the other way, and start tossing more
undesirables inside. It worked for Austria, didn't it?

-- This is a setting where LA has become an island so I suppose ANYTHING goes. But really
that doesn't make a lot of sense. Encircling Chicago would take a LOT of resources - which
seemed a bit more doable back in the old Shadowrun days when anything Military (capital M)
was described as being godlike.
-- I find it hard to believe that the UCAS can afford devoting that much of their military
just to guard a single city, much less try to make it a prison camp and be forced to be
even more stringent about security. Not to mention I question the wisdom of essentially
sending the insect spirits more hosts :)
-- Making it an Urban Wars zone sounds somewhat plausible after they send in salvage teams
to strip what they can from the place.



Never underestimate the power of complacency :).

-- Never underestimate the massive amount of resources the UCAS would have to spend to
maintain a "military grade security" cordon around a city with few chokepoints.
-- But this is SR4, maybe they'll be an earthquake that puts Chicago at the top of an
unscalable mountain.
Message no. 14
From: reynardsurface@*****.com (Pace)
Subject: 4e Chicago
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:09:50 -0500
my idea was that Ares would stage a public relations coup by declaring
Chicago a "Free City", and clearing the rubble from the two block ring of
downed buildings that formed the wall of the containment zone, basicaly
making a flat, open space, ("Look! No Walls! The people aren't prisoners!")
where a very small number of drones and sensors could take care of most of
the policing on the feral elements inside.

On 10/11/05, Tzeentch <tzeentch666@*********.net> wrote:
>
> From: "Bira" <u.alberton@*****.com>
> I think it's likely they'll go the other way, and start tossing more
> undesirables inside. It worked for Austria, didn't it?
>
> -- This is a setting where LA has become an island so I suppose ANYTHING
> goes. But really that doesn't make a lot of sense. Encircling Chicago would
> take a LOT of resources - which seemed a bit more doable back in the old
> Shadowrun days when anything Military (capital M) was described as being
> godlike.
> -- I find it hard to believe that the UCAS can afford devoting that much
> of their military just to guard a single city, much less try to make it a
> prison camp and be forced to be even more stringent about security. Not to
> mention I question the wisdom of essentially sending the insect spirits more
> hosts :)
> -- Making it an Urban Wars zone sounds somewhat plausible after they send
> in salvage teams to strip what they can from the place.
>
>
>
> Never underestimate the power of complacency :).
>
> -- Never underestimate the massive amount of resources the UCAS would have
> to spend to maintain a "military grade security" cordon around a city with
> few chokepoints.
> -- But this is SR4, maybe they'll be an earthquake that puts Chicago at
> the top of an unscalable mountain.
>



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Message no. 15
From: sfeley@*****.com (Stephen Eley)
Subject: 4e Chicago
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:26:36 -0400
On 10/9/05, Simon Nixon <flakjacket@***********.com> wrote:
>
> I suppose the big question that arises from that then
> would be who's going to foot the rather large
> reconstrution bill for that? The government doesn't
> have the resources necessary, hell, they're stuggling
> to keep things going as it is.

That's right! Heck, theyr'e probably still rebuilding Trent Lott's house...


> So lets put the question out there. What are the
> different ways, situations or scenarios people can
> come up with to de-Pliskin Chicago? :)

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Message no. 16
From: u.alberton@*****.com (Bira)
Subject: 4e Chicago
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:00:39 -0300
On 10/11/05, Tzeentch <tzeentch666@*********.net> wrote:
> From: "Bira" <u.alberton@*****.com>
> I think it's likely they'll go the other way, and start tossing more
> undesirables inside. It worked for Austria, didn't it?
>



> -- Never underestimate the massive amount of resources the UCAS would have to spend
to maintain a "military grade security" cordon around a city with few
chokepoints.

> -- Making it an Urban Wars zone sounds somewhat plausible after they send in salvage
teams to strip what they can from the place.

These two just guarantee the place is more likely to be handed over to
Ares (or auctioned off to the megas in general) faster. You could
probably say this already happened a number of years ago, and have fun
reinventing the place for a SR4 campaign.

The old Containment Zone could become a giant "escape from" prison,
with all the bugs having been taken care of and the whole place being
a large dead/toxic mana zone. It would marketed as humane alternative,
because it blocks Awakened convicts from using magic without keeping
them zoned out on drugs or wearing mage-masks 24/7. In reality, of
course, it would be Hell on Earth even without bugs.

It could also easily become a Urban Wars zone. Maybe even at the same
time, for that absurdly dystopian vibe. Anything of value has long
been stipped out by 2070, or has been surpassed by the tech in the
outside world and become worthless.

( Why without bugs? Well, if you want them in there, you're better off
using Bug City without changes and moving the dates around... )

The _rest_ of Chicago, the part that stayed out of the CZ, would be
pretty much your average, Corp-dominated city. I don't remember how
big the CZ was, but since we're already changing it to fit our
purposes, you can adjust its size and say it changed over time.

--
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http://sinfoniaferida.blogspot.com
Message no. 17
From: snicker@*********.net (Snicker)
Subject: 4e Chicago
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:05:57 -0500
At 03:00 PM 10/11/2005, you wrote:
>On 10/11/05, Tzeentch <tzeentch666@*********.net> wrote:
> > From: "Bira" <u.alberton@*****.com>
> > I think it's likely they'll go the other way, and start tossing more
> > undesirables inside. It worked for Austria, didn't it?
> >
> > -- Never underestimate the massive amount of resources the UCAS would
> have to spend to maintain a "military grade security" cordon around a
> city with few chokepoints.
>
> > -- Making it an Urban Wars zone sounds somewhat plausible after they
> send in salvage teams to strip what they can from the place.

And again, my suggestion - converting CyberGeneration to use Chicago / Bug
City as the setting. With the new SR4 rules, it works quite well.. You
can create a very dark and scary atmosphere, all the scarier for the
players playing kids...

Snicker
Message no. 18
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: 4e Chicago
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:37:21 +0200
According to Bira, on 11-10-05 22:00 the word on the street was...

> The old Containment Zone could become a giant "escape from" prison,

You mean as opposed to the way it was portrayed in Bug City? ;)

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Message no. 19
From: u.alberton@*****.com (Bira)
Subject: 4e Chicago
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 12:58:36 -0300
On 10/12/05, Gurth <gurth@******.nl> wrote:
> According to Bira, on 11-10-05 22:00 the word on the street was...
>
> > The old Containment Zone could become a giant "escape from" prison,
>
> You mean as opposed to the way it was portrayed in Bug City? ;)

I was actually looking for excuses for keeping it that way after 15 years :).


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