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Message no. 1
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: 6 gas vents on a minigun (was Re: Assault cannons)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 11:40:11 +0100
Guido Hoelker said on 18:42/28 Nov 96...

> I don't think 6 gas-vent would work, looking how they work technically.

(Brian, look away :) As I recall, there was a DLoH ruling a few years ago
that it could be done -- install one gas vent on each barrel and you get
the cumulative recoil compensation. Use it if you want to, my own house
rule back in first edition was that you needed a vent on each barrel to
get the bonus at all -- six rating 3 vents gave you 3 points of
compensation. Nobody's used a gas vent on a minigun in 2nd ed when I GMed
(IIRC), so I have had no need to come up with another kind of rule...

> Supposed to let the gas going out if the gun in a specific way does not work
> very well if the tubes themselfes are rotating that fast. The time needed
> for the gas to get out is longer than one tube needs to change the position
> so six gas vents would probably confuse more than do any good.>

All a gas vent does (IRL) is to deflect the muzzle gases -- which normally
go forward -- to the sides and/or rear, giving a force acting against the
direction of recoil, or at least to right angles to it. I don't see why a
spinning barrel would change this significantly, as though the barrels
rotate quite fast (1000 rpm or so at max in modern miniguns), the gas
escapes with quite a high velocity as well.

The direction the gas is defelected to (up/down or to the sides) doesn't
really matter -- for a RL example, look at the AK-74, which has its gas
vent mounted horizontally, and the ASN, which has it vertically. (One of
the complaints about the AK-74 is that it might cause hearing damage to
soldiers on firing ranges, because its muzzle blast goes to the people on
either side of the firer.)

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Message no. 2
From: Guido Hölker <guido@******.COM>
Subject: Re: 6 gas vents on a minigun (was Re: Assault cannons)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 17:15:07 +0100
>
>The direction the gas is defelected to (up/down or to the sides) doesn't
>really matter -- for a RL example, look at the AK-74, which has its gas
>vent mounted horizontally, and the ASN, which has it vertically. (One of
>the complaints about the AK-74 is that it might cause hearing damage to
>soldiers on firing ranges, because its muzzle blast goes to the people on
>either side of the firer.)

Wrong, I fear: Within a rotating system especially when rotating on high
speed the direction of the outblasting gas is changing while it's on it's
way out which changes the momentum which eventually makes the hole thing
quite unstable..
(not to mention the fact that ther are a lot of different momentums in
different directions from different muzzles at the same time)
Message no. 3
From: Peter Coxon <coxoff@***.COM>
Subject: Re: 6 gas vents on a minigun (was Re: Assault cannons)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 15:20:01 UT
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From: Shadowrun Discussion on behalf of Guido Hölker
Sent: Friday, November 29, 1996 4:15 PM
To: SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET
Subject: Re: 6 gas vents on a minigun (was Re: Assault cannons)

>>
>>The direction the gas is defelected to (up/down or to the sides) doesn't
>>really matter -- for a RL example, look at the AK-74, which has its gas
>>vent mounted horizontally, and the ASN, which has it vertically. (One of
>>the complaints about the AK-74 is that it might cause hearing damage to
>>soldiers on firing ranges, because its muzzle blast goes to the people on
>>either side of the firer.)

>Wrong, I fear: Within a rotating system especially when rotating on high
>speed the direction of the outblasting gas is changing while it's on it's
>way out which changes the momentum which eventually makes the hole >thing
>quite unstable..
>(not to mention the fact that ther are a lot of different momentums in
>different directions from different muzzles at the same time)

Possible wrong I fear :-) From what I can remeber from various books multi
barrel guns (like mini guns but not shot guns) fire from the same barrel
position ie the top and just rotate the barrels around, this prevents heat
build and warping in any one barrel. (just think of a guns firing mini gun
speeds from six barrels!!!! munchkins deleight) Therefore theoretically you
could mount a single gasvent on a mini gun and just make sure the guns timing
is good. or you could mount a gasvent on each barrel and have the vent shoot
outwards (so when the barrel is at the top it shoot up stopping the guns
climb).
Tim (ntoo)

PS. I have found the geek code sight and I am constructing it as I type :)
isn't multitasking great :)

PPS. I have very little experiance of guns so all the stuff above is
theorectical, from books and stuff I made up that seemed to fit.
Message no. 4
From: dhinkley@***.ORG
Subject: Re: 6 gas vents on a minigun (was Re: Assault cannons)
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 18:45:32 +0000
> Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 17:15:07 +0100
> From: Guido Hölker <guido@******.COM>
> Subject: Re: 6 gas vents on a minigun (was Re: Assault cannons)


> >
> >The direction the gas is defelected to (up/down or to the sides) doesn'=
t
> >really matter -- for a RL example, look at the AK-74, which has its gas
> >vent mounted horizontally, and the ASN, which has it vertically. (One o=
f
> >the complaints about the AK-74 is that it might cause hearing damage to
> >soldiers on firing ranges, because its muzzle blast goes to the people =
on
> >either side of the firer.)
>
> Wrong, I fear: Within a rotating system especially when rotating on high
> speed the direction of the outblasting gas is changing while it's on it'=
s
> way out which changes the momentum which eventually makes the hole thing
> quite unstable..
> (not to mention the fact that ther are a lot of different momentums in
> different directions from different muzzles at the same time)
>
I don't think this would be the case. The first the individual
barrels on a mini-gun do not rotate. They are fixed. The barrels
are arranged in to a cylindrical structure. That structure
rotates as a unit on its own center axis. This means that the
orientation of any barrel mounted gas vent would remain constant in
relation to the axis of the barrel assembly. That is a vent that
throws the gas out (up at top dead center) would always throw the
gas out regardless of where the barrel is in the rotation.

Given this configuration it is possible to mount a gas vent on all
the barrels to compensate for the weapons recoil. It is important to
note that a gas vent system is mounted on one barrel it would have to
be mounted on all barrels. To the same level. ( you could not mix gas
vents of different values on the same mini-gun).

Which brings me to one last observation. Six gas vent 1 systems
mounted on a six barrelled mini-gun would provide only a level 1 (one)
recoil reduction. To get a level 3 reduction a level 3 gas vent would
have to be mounted on each barrel.

I hope these observations are of use.






David Hinkley
dhinkley@***.org
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Message no. 5
From: Robert Watkins <robertdw@*******.NET.AU>
Subject: Re: 6 gas vents on a minigun (was Re: Assault cannons)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 11:33:45 +1100
>I don't think this would be the case. The first the individual
> barrels on a mini-gun do not rotate. They are fixed. The barrels
> are arranged in to a cylindrical structure. That structure
> rotates as a unit on its own center axis. This means that the
> orientation of any barrel mounted gas vent would remain constant in
> relation to the axis of the barrel assembly. That is a vent that
> throws the gas out (up at top dead center) would always throw the
> gas out regardless of where the barrel is in the rotation.

One problem... the gas goes up. Reaction means something else goes down.
Okay, the barrel going down isn't a bad thing... it will compensate
slightly for the lift the spin of the barrel would give (but it wouldn't
compensate for the sideways thrust, however). But, the bullet would also
be affected, surely. From what I know, and I admit I don't have much
experience in these things, you'd need a symmetrical release of the gas,
or you'll just impart an instability to the bullet.

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Message no. 6
From: "Robert Pendergrast (Tom)" <3011_3@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: 6 gas vents on a minigun (was Re: Assault cannons)
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 20:04:27 -0700
> One problem... the gas goes up. Reaction means something else goes down.
> Okay, the barrel going down isn't a bad thing... it will compensate
> slightly for the lift the spin of the barrel would give (but it wouldn't
> compensate for the sideways thrust, however). But, the bullet would also
> be affected, surely. From what I know, and I admit I don't have much
> experience in these things, you'd need a symmetrical release of the gas,
> or you'll just impart an instability to the bullet.

One question about a minigun. Wouldn't the fact that the barrels are
spinning help offset recoil? You know, that principle about trying to
rotate something that is spinning? I don't remember the name off the top
of my head...

-Tom-
Message no. 7
From: Guido Hölker <guido@******.COM>
Subject: Re: 6 gas vents on a minigun (was Re: Assault cannons)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 11:08:14 +0100
>
>One question about a minigun. Wouldn't the fact that the barrels are
>spinning help offset recoil? You know, that principle about trying to
>rotate something that is spinning? I don't remember the name off the top
>of my head...

Absolutely true! But this depends on the 2spinning momentum" whoch depends
on (among others) the weight, so the heavier the barles are, the better
recoil is reduced. Unfortunatley there are a lot of thigs requiering the
barrels beeing as light as possible...
Message no. 8
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: 6 gas vents on a minigun (was Re: Assault cannons)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 13:05:34 +0100
Robert Pendergrast (Tom) said on 20:04/ 5 Dec 96...

> One question about a minigun. Wouldn't the fact that the barrels are
> spinning help offset recoil? You know, that principle about trying to
> rotate something that is spinning? I don't remember the name off the top
> of my head...

Gyroscopes and all that? If something is spinning, it wants to keep the
axis in the same direction -- it's what allows you to ride a two-wheeled
bike without falling over.

Unfortunately, two forces at straight angles don't influence each other,
and because the bullet's flightpath (in theory, anyway) is at a straight
angle to the way the barrels spin, the two don't interact. (I'd draw a
diagram if I could, but ASCII sucks for this :)

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Message no. 9
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: 6 gas vents on a minigun (was Re: Assault cannons)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 07:55:51 -0700
Guido Hölker wrote:
|
|>One question about a minigun. Wouldn't the fact that the barrels are
|>spinning help offset recoil? You know, that principle about trying to
|>rotate something that is spinning? I don't remember the name off the top
|>of my head...
|
|Absolutely true! But this depends on the 2spinning momentum" whoch depends
|on (among others) the weight, so the heavier the barles are, the better
|recoil is reduced. Unfortunatley there are a lot of thigs requiering the
|barrels beeing as light as possible...

See my previous post on a house rule for this.

Keep in mind though, that if you get enough mass spinning
fast enough, you won't be able to change it's axis easily
(at least not in the direction you want).

Wait a sec... if you put a minigun in a remote turret and
spun it really fast to reduce recoil, and then programed
the firing computer to take the gyroscopic reactions into
account, the computer could do "fly by wire" calculations
to apply force just so so that the minigun would aim where
you wanted it to. If this was applied to a sentry gun...
run away (minigun firing at full auto with no recoil).

-David

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Message no. 10
From: Midn Daniel O Fredrikson <m992148@****.NAVY.MIL>
Subject: Re: 6 gas vents on a minigun (was Re: Assault cannons)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 10:06:19 -0500
> Guido Hölker wrote:
> |
> |>One question about a minigun. Wouldn't the fact that the barrels are
> |>spinning help offset recoil? You know, that principle about trying to
> |>rotate something that is spinning? I don't remember the name off the top
> |>of my head...
> |
> |Absolutely true! But this depends on the 2spinning momentum" whoch depends
> |on (among others) the weight, so the heavier the barles are, the better
> |recoil is reduced. Unfortunatley there are a lot of thigs requiering the
> |barrels beeing as light as possible...
>
> See my previous post on a house rule for this.
>
> Keep in mind though, that if you get enough mass spinning
> fast enough, you won't be able to change it's axis easily
> (at least not in the direction you want).
>
> Wait a sec... if you put a minigun in a remote turret and
> spun it really fast to reduce recoil, and then programed
> the firing computer to take the gyroscopic reactions into
> account, the computer could do "fly by wire" calculations
> to apply force just so so that the minigun would aim where
> you wanted it to. If this was applied to a sentry gun...
> run away (minigun firing at full auto with no recoil).
>
In my opinion, the recoil reductions of bipods and tripods, as well as
vehicle mounts, are small. A SAW on a bipod can go full auto with not
very much alterations in its stream of fire.
Message no. 11
From: "Robert Pendergrast (Tom)" <3011_3@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: 6 gas vents on a minigun (was Re: Assault cannons)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 10:40:34 -0700
> >One question about a minigun. Wouldn't the fact that the barrels are
> >spinning help offset recoil? You know, that principle about trying to
> >rotate something that is spinning? I don't remember the name off the top
> >of my head...
>
> Absolutely true! But this depends on the 2spinning momentum" whoch depends
> on (among others) the weight, so the heavier the barles are, the better
> recoil is reduced. Unfortunatley there are a lot of thigs requiering the
> barrels beeing as light as possible...

I remember the name of the principle now! *Precession*.

-Tom-
Message no. 12
From: "Robert Pendergrast (Tom)" <3011_3@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: 6 gas vents on a minigun (was Re: Assault cannons)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 10:43:34 -0700
> > One question about a minigun. Wouldn't the fact that the barrels are
> > spinning help offset recoil? You know, that principle about trying to
> > rotate something that is spinning? I don't remember the name off the top
> > of my head...
>
> Gyroscopes and all that? If something is spinning, it wants to keep the
> axis in the same direction -- it's what allows you to ride a two-wheeled
> bike without falling over.
>
> Unfortunately, two forces at straight angles don't influence each other,
> and because the bullet's flightpath (in theory, anyway) is at a straight
> angle to the way the barrels spin, the two don't interact. (I'd draw a
> diagram if I could, but ASCII sucks for this :)

Yeah, but isn't the penalty from recoil attributed to the barrel<s>
kicking the gun up at an angle? The spinning would counter that wouldn't
it? (BTW, I'm not speaking from ANY real life experience here, just SRII
and what little intuition I have.)

-Tom-
Message no. 13
From: "Paul J. Adam" <shadowrn@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: 6 gas vents on a minigun (was Re: Assault cannons)
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 00:34:36 +0000
In message <Pine.PMDF.3.91.961205200309.545292435F-
100000@*******.cwu.edu>, "Robert Pendergrast (Tom)" <3011_3@***.EDU>
writes
>One question about a minigun. Wouldn't the fact that the barrels are
>spinning help offset recoil? You know, that principle about trying to
>rotate something that is spinning? I don't remember the name off the top
>of my head...

Gyroscopic principles. No, it wouldn't. The fact that the barrels were
experiencing a force _up_ would result in a movement _sideways_.
Gyroscope theory can be found in most mechanics texts, but only the
truly dedicated need apply, it's tedious.

Answer, tune the gas vents properly when you fit them.


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Message no. 14
From: "Paul J. Adam" <shadowrn@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: 6 gas vents on a minigun (was Re: Assault cannons)
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 00:31:33 +0000
In message <199612060134.LAA25692@*******.peg.apc.org>, Robert Watkins
<robertdw@*******.NET.AU> writes
>One problem... the gas goes up. Reaction means something else goes down.
>Okay, the barrel going down isn't a bad thing... it will compensate
>slightly for the lift the spin of the barrel would give (but it wouldn't
>compensate for the sideways thrust, however). But, the bullet would also
>be affected, surely.

Nope. Remember, the bullet _is_ the gas seal. By the time gas is passing
through the baffles of the muzzle brake, the bullet is out of the barrel
and gone.

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Message no. 15
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: 6 gas vents on a minigun (was Re: Assault cannons)
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 12:54:01 +0100
Robert Pendergrast (Tom) said on 10:43/ 6 Dec 96...

> Yeah, but isn't the penalty from recoil attributed to the barrel<s>
> kicking the gun up at an angle? The spinning would counter that wouldn't
> it? (BTW, I'm not speaking from ANY real life experience here, just SRII
> and what little intuition I have.)

Recoil goes in the direction opposite the path taken by the bullet. It's
the way the weapon is built and/or held by the firer that causes the
muzzle to climb. For example, recoil will push a straight back when it's
fired; if the top of the butt in a rifle is below the barrel, a turning
movement will result around the firer's shoulder. This is the reason why
weapons like the M16 are of a "straight through" layout -- find a picture
of an M16 and put a ruler along the barrel to see what I mean.

I think you're right in that the spinning barrels would prevent muzzle
climb to some extent, if the gun pivots around a point that allows the
recoiling force to push the gun up a bit.

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Message no. 16
From: Robert Watkins <robertdw@*******.NET.AU>
Subject: Re: 6 gas vents on a minigun (was Re: Assault cannons)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 13:26:20 +1100
>One question about a minigun. Wouldn't the fact that the barrels are
>spinning help offset recoil? You know, that principle about trying to
>rotate something that is spinning? I don't remember the name off the top
>of my head...

The trouble is that the barrel end is lighter at one point of the
cycle... whilst the barrel is re-loading. This means that your weight
isn't balanced, and gives miniguns a tendency to drag up, and to the side.


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Message no. 17
From: Droopy <droopy@*******.NB.NET>
Subject: Re: 6 gas vents on a minigun (was Re: Assault cannons)
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 00:56:16 +0000
> From: Robert Watkins <robertdw@*******.NET.AU>
> Subject: Re: 6 gas vents on a minigun (was Re: Assault cannons)

> >One question about a minigun. Wouldn't the fact that the barrels are
> >spinning help offset recoil? You know, that principle about trying to
> >rotate something that is spinning? I don't remember the name off the top
> >of my head...
>
> The trouble is that the barrel end is lighter at one point of the
> cycle... whilst the barrel is re-loading. This means that your weight
> isn't balanced, and gives miniguns a tendency to drag up, and to the side.

I'm not sure if this is applicable to this specific discussion, but
the A10 has a recoil compensator on it's 30mm cannon that fits over
all of the barrels. I'm not sure how it works, but I guess it works
to some degree considering that prolonged fireing of the gun will
stop the aircraft dead in the air.


--Droopy
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Message no. 18
From: Droopy <droopy@*******.NB.NET>
Subject: Re: 6 gas vents on a minigun (was Re: Assault cannons)
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 00:56:15 +0000
> From: "Paul J. Adam" <shadowrn@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
> Subject: Re: 6 gas vents on a minigun (was Re: Assault cannons)

> Nope. Remember, the bullet _is_ the gas seal. By the time gas is passing
> through the baffles of the muzzle brake, the bullet is out of the barrel
> and gone.

What about the gas on the other side of the bullet? <G>


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Message no. 19
From: Guido Hölker <Guido@******.COM>
Subject: Re: 6 gas vents on a minigun (was Re: Assault cannons)
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 10:36:59 +0100
>> Nope. Remember, the bullet _is_ the gas seal. By the time gas is passing
>> through the baffles of the muzzle brake, the bullet is out of the barrel
>> and gone.
>
>What about the gas on the other side of the bullet? <G>

Is used to move the lock and to reload.
Message no. 20
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: 6 gas vents on a minigun (was Re: Assault cannons)
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 12:06:30 +0100
Guido Hoelker said on 10:36/11 Dec 96...

> >> Nope. Remember, the bullet _is_ the gas seal. By the time gas is passing
> >> through the baffles of the muzzle brake, the bullet is out of the barrel
> >> and gone.
> >
> >What about the gas on the other side of the bullet? <G>
>
> Is used to move the lock and to reload.

Are you sure you understood the (joke-)question? The gas that works the
action in a gas-operated weapon (like most assault rifles) is the
propellant gas; it will only unlock the bolt _after_ the bullet has passed
the hole drilled in the side of the barrel.

As I understand it, the "gas on the other side of the bullet" consists of
about 78% nitrogen, 21% oxygen, and a little over 1% trace gases...

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Message no. 21
From: Taro Lachéra <taro@******.COM>
Subject: Re: 6 gas vents on a minigun (was Re: Assault cannons)
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 12:43:37 +0100
>As I understand it, the "gas on the other side of the bullet" consists of
>about 78% nitrogen, 21% oxygen, and a little over 1% trace gases...

OK, you caught me...
(hey, this happens when you try to read/answer all this messages when your
boss is standing behind you and you try tro pretend that you're busy working..
Fortunatley they are people here bitching about our german versions so I can
at least say that this is *somehow* related to my job-
Message no. 22
From: Sascha Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@**********.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE>
Subject: Re: 6 gas vents on a minigun (was Re: Assault cannons)
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 19:18:48 +0000
On 11 Dec 96 at 12:43, Taro Lachera wrote:
[snip]
> (hey, this happens when you try to read/answer all this messages when your
> boss is standing behind you and you try tro pretend that you're busy working..
> Fortunatley they are people here bitching about our german versions so I can
> at least say that this is *somehow* related to my job-
You mean I did something good? *grin*

Sascha
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Message no. 23
From: Guido Hölker <guido@******.COM>
Subject: Re: 6 gas vents on a minigun (was Re: Assault cannons)
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 11:18:07 +0100
>You mean I did something good? *grin*

Actually: Yes.
(And I'm still interested in critics and please don't mention tranbslations
from 1993; of these I know they are quite bad in some places...) but for
most newer things I would love to hear what is so bad about them..
Message no. 24
From: Droopy <droopy@*******.NB.NET>
Subject: Re: 6 gas vents on a minigun (was Re: Assault cannons)
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 17:49:25 +0000
> From: Guido Hölker <Guido@******.COM>
> Subject: Re: 6 gas vents on a minigun (was Re: Assault cannons)

> >> Nope. Remember, the bullet _is_ the gas seal. By the time gas is pass=
ing
> >> through the baffles of the muzzle brake, the bullet is out of the bar=
rel
> >> and gone.
> >
> >What about the gas on the other side of the bullet? <G>
>
> Is used to move the lock and to reload.

I meant that it passes through the muzzle brake before the bullet
does.


BTW....is that you in the credits for Realms of Arkana: Star Trail?


--Droopy
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Message no. 25
From: Sascha Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@**********.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE>
Subject: Re: 6 gas vents on a minigun (was Re: Assault cannons)
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 21:52:44 +0000
On 12 Dec 96 at 11:18, Guido Hoelker wrote:

> >You mean I did something good? *grin*
>
> Actually: Yes.
> (And I'm still interested in critics and please don't mention tranbslations
> from 1993; of these I know they are quite bad in some places...) but for
> most newer things I would love to hear what is so bad about them..
Sorry, no way. That would mean I'd have to buy or at least borrow the books,
and that I will not do.

Last I bought was the "Deutschland in den Schatten" (Germany Sourcebook) and
it didn't even follow the formats for vehicles, the weapons are all "better,
easier to conceal, and cheaper"-munckin-stuff...

Nice stuff about Berlin, but that's about all I use - especially since many
information conflicts with the stuff from Harlequin...

Sascha
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