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Message no. 1
From: NeoJudas neojudas@******************.com
Subject: Agents, Daemons' and Sprites... Oh My!!! )(Re: PROGR...)
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 21:43:42 -0500
From: <vocenoctum@****.com>
Subject: Re: PROGRAMMING TIMES: VR2 vs Matrix. Also known as "otaku are
karma whores"


> > <Tzeentch> Can't anyone blow Karma for successes on any test?
> > <Maelwys> yeah...
> > <Tzeentch> Then big deal, so they can do what everyone else can ;)
>
> Just a quick note, other's CAN burn karma POOL, Otaku (in this instance)
> are using GOOD karma, big difference.

Uhm, what instance are you thinking of here VN?

> > <Maelwys> "to Learn a complex form, the otaku simply makes an Intel
> > test.
> > They TN is equal to the complex form rating, +1 per option, and
> > reduced by
> > half the Otaku's Willpower (round down)
> > <Tzeentch> Well that otaku better have some INSANE Wilpower,
> > Intelligence,
> > and Charisma scores to get Rating 10 anything
>
> Dorias v4.0 is in final stages of polishing, final stats. Intel,
> Willpower, Charisma=9
> Still only got that starting Computer of 8, but the MPCP is
> 10(BEMS/10/10/10)

Is this a beginning character or an NPC concept???

> > <Tzeentch> Its Karma that makes an otakus world go round
> > <Tzeentch> Otaku=karma whores
> > <Maelwys> yup
> > <Maelwys> More so then Magicians, IIRC
>
> Well, mages spells drain karma too, and now Otaku have initiation to
> worry about.

I pointed that out as well.

> Course (not counting your house rules) you still need money for cyber/bio
> such as the Math SPU and cerebral booster.
> The time frame is what always bugged me about programming. At least now
> its only 1GK for the Complex Form.

Yeah, that is an improvement I must admit.

> Next time you guys get bored, try to make a Sprite or Daemon :-)

I'm sure its been done. And actually, I must admit the Daemons and Agents
are probably the area of greatest potential, even if they are the hardest to
come by due to the immense programming times that are involved. I've often
wondered the extents and limits of them, especially since it is now possible
to create an Agent/Daemon, Frame/Sprite that can serve as a better Autopilot
than what is even remotely possible withing the rules of R3.
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Message no. 2
From: vocenoctum@****.com vocenoctum@****.com
Subject: Agents, Daemons' and Sprites... Oh My!!! )(Re: PROGR...)
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 19:03:02 -0400
On Sat, 2 Sep 2000 21:43:42 -0500 "NeoJudas"
<neojudas@******************.com> writes:
> From: <vocenoctum@****.com>
> > Just a quick note, other's CAN burn karma POOL, Otaku (in this
> instance)
> > are using GOOD karma, big difference.
>
> Uhm, what instance are you thinking of here VN?
>

Matrix pg 138, bottom right corner, Otaku can spend Good Karma Points to
purchase extra successes (1 per success) to further reduce time.

SR3.1 BBB, pg 246. "Buying Successes"
A player can purchase successes for his character BURNING 1 Karma POOL
point per success. Must have one success naturally.

Thats a pretty big difference :-)


> > Dorias v4.0 is in final stages of polishing, final stats.
> Intel,
> > Willpower, Charisma=9
> > Still only got that starting Computer of 8, but the MPCP is
> > 10(BEMS/10/10/10)
>
> Is this a beginning character or an NPC concept???
>

beggining character,
http://members.xoom.com/vocenoctum/secondary/doriasv4.htm


> > > <Tzeentch> Its Karma that makes an otakus world go round
> > > <Tzeentch> Otaku=karma whores
> > > <Maelwys> yup
> > > <Maelwys> More so then Magicians, IIRC
> >
> > Well, mages spells drain karma too, and now Otaku have initiation
> to
> > worry about.
>
> I pointed that out as well.

Yes, but I was first, so HA! :-)



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Message no. 3
From: NeoJudas neojudas@******************.com
Subject: Agents, Daemons' and Sprites... Oh My!!! )(Re: PROGR...)
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 05:02:18 -0500
From: <vocenoctum@****.com>
Subject: Re: Agents, Daemons' and Sprites... Oh My!!! )(Re: PROGR...)


> > > Just a quick note, other's CAN burn karma POOL, Otaku (in this
> > instance)
> > > are using GOOD karma, big difference.
>
> Matrix pg 138, bottom right corner, Otaku can spend Good Karma Points to
> purchase extra successes (1 per success) to further reduce time.
>
> SR3.1 BBB, pg 246. "Buying Successes"
> A player can purchase successes for his character BURNING 1 Karma POOL
> point per success. Must have one success naturally.
>
> Thats a pretty big difference :-)

Uhm, perhaps it wasn't very clear. NO CHARACTER can buy successes in a
skill test with anything but Karma Pool. That may perhaps make a good,
suggestable, errata simply in an attempt to make information more clear in
the future.

But that is a fundamental rule of the game.
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Message no. 4
From: vocenoctum@****.com vocenoctum@****.com
Subject: Agents, Daemons' and Sprites... Oh My!!! )(Re: PROGR...)
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 11:54:26 -0400
On Mon, 4 Sep 2000 05:02:18 -0500 "NeoJudas"
<neojudas@******************.com> writes:
> > Matrix pg 138, bottom right corner, Otaku can spend Good Karma
> Points to
> > purchase extra successes (1 per success) to further reduce time.
> >
> > SR3.1 BBB, pg 246. "Buying Successes"
> > A player can purchase successes for his character BURNING 1 Karma
> POOL
> > point per success. Must have one success naturally.
> >
> > Thats a pretty big difference :-)
>
> Uhm, perhaps it wasn't very clear. NO CHARACTER can buy successes
> in a
> skill test with anything but Karma Pool. That may perhaps make a
> good,
> suggestable, errata simply in an attempt to make information more
> clear in
> the future.
>
> But that is a fundamental rule of the game.

so, the Matrix option for lowering the time with good karma (which it
specifically states "Good Karma") is an error?
this only applies to one specific action (for the test to reduce time)...



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Message no. 5
From: NeoJudas neojudas@******************.com
Subject: Agents, Daemons' and Sprites... Oh My!!! )(Re: PROGR...)
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 19:26:40 -0500
From: <vocenoctum@****.com>
Subject: Re: Agents, Daemons' and Sprites... Oh My!!! )(Re: PROGR...)


> > > SR3.1 BBB, pg 246. "Buying Successes"
> > > A player can purchase successes for his character BURNING 1 Karma
> > POOL
> > > point per success. Must have one success naturally.
> > >
> > > Thats a pretty big difference :-)
> >
> > Uhm, perhaps it wasn't very clear. NO CHARACTER can buy successes
> > in a
> > skill test with anything but Karma Pool. That may perhaps make a
> > good,
> > suggestable, errata simply in an attempt to make information more
> > clear in
> > the future.
> >
> > But that is a fundamental rule of the game.
>
> so, the Matrix option for lowering the time with good karma (which it
> specifically states "Good Karma") is an error?
> this only applies to one specific action (for the test to reduce time)...

No VN, it isn't an error, but perhaps you are trying to draw the wrong kinds
of conclusions to the material. Think of this way, the tasks in Matrix are
not all that different than any other build/repair or skill success test.
The same rules for karma expenditures work across the board now.

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Message no. 6
From: vocenoctum@****.com vocenoctum@****.com
Subject: Agents, Daemons' and Sprites... Oh My!!! )(Re: PROGR...)
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 21:57:57 -0400
On Mon, 4 Sep 2000 19:26:40 -0500 "NeoJudas"
<neojudas@******************.com> writes:
> No VN, it isn't an error, but perhaps you are trying to draw the
> wrong kinds
> of conclusions to the material. Think of this way, the tasks in
> Matrix are
> not all that different than any other build/repair or skill success
> test.
> The same rules for karma expenditures work across the board now.
>

not sure what you're saying.
Otaku can spend Good karma for successes on their programming test.
otaku and everyone else can burn Karma Pool for automatic successes in
any dice roll.

So, what wrong conclusions am I drawing?
Unless you're saying ANYBODY can spend Good Karma now for automatic
successes on certain dice rolls?

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Message no. 7
From: NeoJudas neojudas@******************.com
Subject: Agents, Daemons' and Sprites... Oh My!!! )(Re: PROGR...)
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 21:41:14 -0500
From: <vocenoctum@****.com>
Subject: Re: Agents, Daemons' and Sprites... Oh My!!! )(Re: PROGR...)


> not sure what you're saying.
> Otaku can spend Good karma for successes on their programming test.
> otaku and everyone else can burn Karma Pool for automatic successes in
> any dice roll.
>
> So, what wrong conclusions am I drawing?
> Unless you're saying ANYBODY can spend Good Karma now for automatic
> successes on certain dice rolls?

Everyone has always been able to spend karma for automatic successes for
years now on a variety of potential necessities, including B/R, design,
programming, etc.....

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Message no. 8
From: vocenoctum@****.com vocenoctum@****.com
Subject: Agents, Daemons' and Sprites... Oh My!!! )(Re: PROGR...)
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 22:39:35 -0400
On Mon, 4 Sep 2000 21:41:14 -0500 "NeoJudas"
<neojudas@******************.com> writes:
> From: <vocenoctum@****.com>
> Subject: Re: Agents, Daemons' and Sprites... Oh My!!! )(Re:
> PROGR...)
>
>
> > not sure what you're saying.
> > Otaku can spend Good karma for successes on their programming
> test.
> > otaku and everyone else can burn Karma Pool for automatic
> successes in
> > any dice roll.
> >
> > So, what wrong conclusions am I drawing?
> > Unless you're saying ANYBODY can spend Good Karma now for
> automatic
> > successes on certain dice rolls?
>
> Everyone has always been able to spend karma for automatic successes
> for
> years now on a variety of potential necessities, including B/R,
> design,
> programming, etc.....

yes, option two, burn karma pool. Is there abook reference where they
have been able to spend good karma besides this one instance?


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