From: | s c rose <scrose@****.COM> |
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Subject: | Re: Ammo and law enforcement |
Date: | Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:07:28 -0600 |
<snip> interesting but not what I want to discuss at this time.
>
> I'd call it a bigger gun :) Multiple hits from the same burst have a
> rather nasty synergy.
This I would agree with 95% of the time or more.
> >>Again: shades of the Stechkin, the VP70, the Glock 18, the Beretta
> >>93R...
> >
> >Shades of, not exact mirror replicas. I have to ask this, do you have a
> >problem with imagination? Are you so locked up in a real world
> >environment that it is becoming impossible to just sit back and dream
> >for a moment?
>
> Nope. I just like to see an evolutionary path, and some common sense. If
> you can make a .50AE pistol fire full-auto in a controllable manner, why
> can't you chamber it in a submachinegun? Given that a SMG gains in
> ballistics from the longer barrel anyway, why has nobody seized the
> opportunity to market a SMG with 10M base damage?
Sounds like a nasty toy to me, could be done but I don't think it could
be concealed very well.
The desert eagle that is chambered for .50 AE holds 6 rounds and is a
monster of a pistol.
Quite simple to figure out that this thing would have to fairly large
and not be easily hidden.
> I don't have a problem with FASA fudging their damage codes to make
> heavy pistols competitive weapons against SMGs and assault rifles (for a
> close-up fight, at least). It makes the game more cinematic, and for me
> more enjoyable. I just choose to regard it as a rules fudge, rather than
> the result of calculated thought about firearms evolution between today
> and the 2050s :)
Again I tend to share this opinion for a number of reasons. A select
fire weapons which uses
the exact same bullets as a side arm. (9 mm para, and .45acp) These
weapons which are intended
to use burst fire and have a longer barrel do a great deal more damage.
Their semi auto shorter
barrel counter parts using the same rounds are at a disadvantage.
> >As is bigger bullets. Why is the trend in law enforcement to go for
> >heavier calibre weapons?
This is my pet theory on this one, for a time everyone was jumping on
the 9 mm band wagon.
well it turns out that 9 mm para suffers from the same over penetration
problems that 38s does.
At one time many law enforcement officers where using heavy double
action revolvers mostly
the S&W J frames chambered for .357mag. The trend 15 years ago was away
from wheel guns which
is still the case. Now these same people who wanted more lighter bullets
also want more stopping
power and/or knock down power. Which is why S&W .40 is becoming popular
as a law enforcement
round for cops on the street.
> If your threat is that hard to stop, then maybe something like a shotgun
> - or a MP-5 or a M4 carbine firing softnose bullets - is a better option
> than a "bigger pistol". It'll also be more effective against body
> armour.
Now you have run into a quirk of the United States. While the citizens
of most counties have
little to no problem with the police force running around with SMG's and
rifles. This is not something that many US citizens would react well to.
When a SWAT team shows up with heavy weapons people tend get a little on
edge... Case in point in the UK and all over europe for that matter
military and police forces work very closely with each other on many
counter terrorist operations. Terrorism is just now starting to become
an issue for US law enforcement and quite frankly. US counter terrorism
tactics are years behind the rest of the world in many ways. It does not
build public confidance for the police to admit that terrorist
situations are becoming more common in the US and that a patrol officer
is not equipted to deal with it.
The rest got snipped because of a subject change and I might address
that subject as well...
Regards