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Message no. 1
From: steven mancini <mancinis@******.CC.PURDUE.EDU>
Subject: Aren't Totems Funny! :)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 1994 19:20:14 EST
This is off the top of my head and I do not have my Grim near
me to confirm or refute this thought.

Take your average shaman. As I remember it, if he pisses
off his totem, he gets a warning. If he does it again,
he is reduced to spells/spirits for which he gets a
totemic bonus. If he does it again, he loses power.
My question is how do toxic shamans get away with it?!?!?!

Wouldn't you think that if Dog, Rat, Wolf, etc. saw one
of their fledglings going astray, they would pull the
plug on that shaman?

Unless of course, there is some toxic aspect to the
totems that sustains these avengers/poisoners....

Da Minotaur
Message no. 2
From: The Deb Decker <RJR96326@****.UTULSA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Aren't Totems Funny! :)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 1994 19:35:36 -0600
> Wouldn't you think that if Dog, Rat, Wolf, etc. saw one
> of their fledglings going astray, they would pull the
> plug on that (toxic) shaman?

No. Toxic Shamans follow toxic totems, which are *not* the same as
their more benevolent counterparts. Toxic Dog and Dog are not the same;
Toxic Gator and Gator are not the same.

> Unless of course, there is some toxic aspect to the
> totems that sustains these avengers/poisoners....

Not exactly. They are simply different totems.


J Roberson
Message no. 3
From: Neal A Porter <nap@*****.PHYSICS.SWIN.OZ.AU>
Subject: Re: Aren't Totems Funny! :)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 1994 14:52:27 +1100
>
> > Wouldn't you think that if Dog, Rat, Wolf, etc. saw one
> > of their fledglings going astray, they would pull the
> > plug on that (toxic) shaman?
>
>No. Toxic Shamans follow toxic totems, which are *not* the same as
>their more benevolent counterparts. Toxic Dog and Dog are not the same;
>Toxic Gator and Gator are not the same.
>
>> Unless of course, there is some toxic aspect to the
>> totems that sustains these avengers/poisoners....
>
>Not exactly. They are simply different totems.
>
>
>J Roberson
>


This is interesting, if they are two different totems you set the dangerous
precident of allowing a shaman to change totems (even though this has been
used before for the Insects S in Queen E) without penalty. Of course in this
sort of case you could rule that only NPC shamans can change totems, and
even then only to the Toxic form of it. (And I know that only NPCs can be
Toxics, but I was approaching the problem as if the change was between
any two totems) Better in this case I believe to say they, ie Toxic and
non Toxic, are just radically different aspects of the one totem. I mean
that there are vast variations in the temprementsof different breeds of dogs,
why wouldn't Dog posess some of these variations itself.

Either way I'd like to hear what others think.
'Are they two, or just aspects of one?'


Adeus.

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