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Message no. 1
From: Shadowrunner <nocturnal@*******.NET>
Subject: Ares Cascade rifle
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 09:35:08 +0000
Hey... does anyone know the power of the Ares Cascade rifle, in respect for the power and
range of the spread for shotgun mode?

Thanks,
-Noc
Message no. 2
From: Matb <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: Ares Cascade rifle
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:31:31 -0700
Shadowrunner wrote:
>
> Hey... does anyone know the power of the Ares Cascade rifle, in respect for the power
and
> range of the spread for shotgun mode?

From the Corporate Security Handbook, p. 68:"If using stream mode, treat
the weapon as an SMG for range purposes. When using spray mode, treat
the weapon as a shotgun with effective choke of 2 (this cannot be
changed)."


- Matt

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Message no. 3
From: Mike Bobroff <Airwasp@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Ares Cascade rifle
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 13:48:04 EDT
In a message dated 7/12/98 9:37:05 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
nocturnal@*******.NET writes:

> Hey... does anyone know the power of the Ares Cascade rifle, in respect for
> the power and
> range of the spread for shotgun mode?

There is no power for the Cascade itself ... the only thing that matters is
the type of chemical compound thrown in for fun into the Cascade.

-Mike
Message no. 4
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Ares Cascade rifle
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 19:58:06 +0100
Shadowrunner said on 9:35/12 Jul 98,...

> Hey... does anyone know the power of the Ares Cascade rifle, in respect for the power
and
> range of the spread for shotgun mode?

It has a choke of 2, so for every 2 meters the spray travels, it
goes out for one meter. IOW, a cone with a 60-degree top angle.

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Message no. 5
From: Paul Gettle <RunnerPaul@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Ares Cascade rifle
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:42:41 -0400
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At 01:48 PM 7/12/98 -0400, Mike wrote:
>In a message dated 7/12/98 9:37:05 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
>nocturnal@*******.NET writes:
>
>> Hey... does anyone know the power of the Ares Cascade rifle, in
respect for
>> the power and
>> range of the spread for shotgun mode?
>
>There is no power for the Cascade itself ... the only thing that
matters is
>the type of chemical compound thrown in for fun into the Cascade.

However, if you use the Cascade's spray mode, you are supposed to
"treat the weapon as a shotgun with an effective choke of 2.... See p.
95, SRII, for information on shotgun spread patterns."

And when you look at the rules for shotgun spread patterns, the
effective range is based off of the power of the weapon. Each spread
drops the power of the attack by 1, and when the power reaches 0, that
is the far end of the range of the shotgun blast.

The sentence from the rules for the Cascade "Power reduction should be
applied to the chemical user to reflect dispersal," while poorly
worded, seems to indicate that you should reduce the power level of
the chemical itself.

While I could see this for some of the chemicals one would put in a
Cascade, (smaller dose leading to a lesser effect) there are a few
chemicals in the SR arsenal that are supposed to be effective in
relatively small doses.

I'm not sure if there's a simple fix for this one.

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Message no. 6
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Ares Cascade rifle
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:35:48 -0500
On Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:42:41 -0400 Paul Gettle <RunnerPaul@*****.COM>
writes:
>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>At 01:48 PM 7/12/98 -0400, Mike wrote:
>>In a message dated 7/12/98 9:37:05 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
>>nocturnal@*******.NET writes:
<SNIP>

>>There is no power for the Cascade itself ... the only thing that
matters is
>>the type of chemical compound thrown in for fun into the Cascade.

>However, if you use the Cascade's spray mode, you are supposed to
>"treat the weapon as a shotgun with an effective choke of 2.... See p.
>95, SRII, for information on shotgun spread patterns."
>
>And when you look at the rules for shotgun spread patterns, the
>effective range is based off of the power of the weapon. Each spread
>drops the power of the attack by 1, and when the power reaches 0, that
>is the far end of the range of the shotgun blast.
>
>The sentence from the rules for the Cascade "Power reduction should be
>applied to the chemical user to reflect dispersal," while poorly
>worded, seems to indicate that you should reduce the power level of
>the chemical itself.
>
>While I could see this for some of the chemicals one would put in a
>Cascade, (smaller dose leading to a lesser effect) there are a few
>chemicals in the SR arsenal that are supposed to be effective in
>relatively small doses.
>
>I'm not sure if there's a simple fix for this one.
>
<SNIP PGP>
> -- Paul Gettle (RunnerPaul@*****.com)
<SNIP More PGP and Sig>

Why not just base range off a power of 8 or 10? and then reduce the power
of the chemicals seperately (not neccisarily at a different ratio)

D.Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, and RuPixel)
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Message no. 7
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Ares Cascade rifle
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:52:48 EDT
In a message dated 7/12/98 9:37:01 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
nocturnal@*******.NET writes:

> Hey... does anyone know the power of the Ares Cascade rifle, in respect for
> the power and
> range of the spread for shotgun mode?
>
Okay, I haven't gone through all my mail yet, so I don't know everyone elses'
take on this. I am going to presume that you mean "the power of the spray/gel
reservoire upon release". How much pressure is that hose putting out. IMO,
it's really good, but not so good as to make people get thrown out of the way
or take damage from it in a direct fashion (like a high pressure hose from a
water cannon for instance).

Does this make a good enough analogy for you to answer your own question?

-K
Message no. 8
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Ares Cascade rifle
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:54:04 EDT
In a message dated 7/12/98 8:43:50 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
RunnerPaul@*****.COM writes:

> However, if you use the Cascade's spray mode, you are supposed to
> "treat the weapon as a shotgun with an effective choke of 2.... See p.
> 95, SRII, for information on shotgun spread patterns."

After I posted to this the first time around, I thought about it some more and
it occurred to me that you were wanting some range information.

> And when you look at the rules for shotgun spread patterns, the
> effective range is based off of the power of the weapon. Each spread
> drops the power of the attack by 1, and when the power reaches 0, that
> is the far end of the range of the shotgun blast.

Yep, that is what I thought.

> The sentence from the rules for the Cascade "Power reduction should be
> applied to the chemical user to reflect dispersal," while poorly
> worded, seems to indicate that you should reduce the power level of
> the chemical itself.

Okay then, how is this. You could base the power of the Cascade by the
chemical potency of the material in question. This causes other problems down
the road.

You could also use the same "Power" as a shotgun, which goes from 7 to 10
IIRC. Lets go for a nice solid "8" on this end as a suggestion, and then hope
someone more in the know could answer us better.

-K (who remember making some -REALLY- nasty flamethrowers out of a Cascade and
gel-junk)
Message no. 9
From: Shadowrunner <nocturnal@*******.NET>
Subject: Re: Ares Cascade rifle
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:58:59 +0000
Matb wrote:
>
> Shadowrunner wrote:
> >
> > Hey... does anyone know the power of the Ares Cascade rifle, in respect for the
power and
> > range of the spread for shotgun mode?
>
> >From the Corporate Security Handbook, p. 68:"If using stream mode, treat
> the weapon as an SMG for range purposes. When using spray mode, treat
> the weapon as a shotgun with effective choke of 2 (this cannot be
> changed)."
>
> - Matt
>
> ------------------------------------
> Quid gignitur ex hyaena et psittaco?
> Animal uiribus ridendi in ioca sua eximum.
>
> GridSec: SRCard / Freedonian Research Assistant
> Teen Poets FAQ: http://pw1.netcom.com/~mbreton/poetry/poetfaq.htm
> SRTCG Website: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/2189/ccgtop.htm

nononono..... I dont need the damage of it- I need to know what the number next to the
damage letter < L,M,S,D > would be to determine the range...
-Noc
Message no. 10
From: Dan Gelinske <dunkelzahn@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Ares Cascade rifle
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:21:59 -0700
<snip all the junk at the top>

>nononono..... I dont need the damage of it- I need to know what the number
next to the
>damage letter < L,M,S,D > would be to determine the range...
> -Noc
>

Please look at the FAQ at http://coastnet.com/~dvixen/index.html for
guidelines to posting to this list. Having to go through stuff I read
before and peoples .sigs just to get to one small comment can be quite
annoying. Thanks.

Nebiru

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