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Message no. 1
From: Lorden <westln@***.EDU>
Subject: Astral mage hit by a biker.
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 05:37:52 -0400
I'm fairly new to GMing but I had a problem come up last weekend
that is just not covered and was wondering how other would
handle it.

A PC Mage manifested infront of a speeding go ganger. He was
trying to get him to swerve and have an accident. The ganger
failed his perception and drove right through the mage. Since
the mage was astral nothing happened to the biker. What should
have happened to the mage?

The player thought since he was astral and could not effect the
biker it would be as if the mage had no mass and was just
bounced out of the way. I accepted that and to his surprised
bounced him from the Barrens to the slopes of Mt. Reiner.

It took him a while to figure out where he was and head back to
the barrens to start searching for his body. You see his body
was in the van following the biker. After checking the rules on
finding your body, we figured that a watcher has a better chance
of finding it than he did. So he summoned a watcher and followed
it back to his body.

My questions are:
What should of happened to the mage hit by the biker?
Can a projecting mage summon a watcher?
What would you have done differently?
Also can a projecting mage or shamon summon anything while
projecting?


--
Nigel westln@***.edu
AKA C. Yossarrian, UPAC Projectionist
AKA Lorden
Speaking for myself, and no one else.
Message no. 2
From: Lorden <westln@***.EDU>
Subject: Astral mage hit by a biker
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 07:00:53 -0400
Appologizes if you see this twice.

I'm fairly new to GMing but I had a problem come up last weekend
that is just not covered and was wondering how other would
handle it.

A PC Mage manifested infront of a speeding go ganger. He was
trying to get him to swerve and have an accident. The ganger
failed his perception and drove right through the mage. Since
the mage was astral nothing happened to the biker. What should
have happened to the mage?

The player thought since he was astral and could not effect the
biker it would be as if the mage had no mass and was just
bounced out of the way. I accepted that and to his surprised
bounced him from the Barrens to the slopes of Mt. Reiner.

It took him a while to figure out where he was and head back to
the barrens to start searching for his body. You see his body
was in the van following the biker. After checking the rules on
finding your body, we figured that a watcher has a better chance
of finding it than he did. So he summoned a watcher and followed
it back to his body.

My questions are:
What should of happened to the mage hit by the biker?
Can a projecting mage summon a watcher?
What would you have done differently?
Also can a projecting mage or shamon summon anything while
projecting?

--
Nigel westln@***.edu
AKA C. Yossarrian, UPAC Projectionist
AKA Lorden
Speaking for myself, and no one else.
Message no. 3
From: Christian Werner <i21axray@*******.RZ.UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE>
Subject: Re: Astral mage hit by a biker
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 13:40:18 +0200
> Appologizes if you see this twice.

> I'm fairly new to GMing but I had a problem come up last weekend
> that is just not covered and was wondering how other would
> handle it.

> A PC Mage manifested infront of a speeding go ganger. He was
> trying to get him to swerve and have an accident. The ganger
> failed his perception and drove right through the mage. Since
> the mage was astral nothing happened to the biker. What should
> have happened to the mage?

> The player thought since he was astral and could not effect the
> biker it would be as if the mage had no mass and was just
> bounced out of the way. I accepted that and to his surprised
> bounced him from the Barrens to the slopes of Mt. Reiner.

The Mage is not corporeal, so nothing happens to the Mage, the Biker drives
simply through him, like he were a ghost.

> It took him a while to figure out where he was and head back to
> the barrens to start searching for his body. You see his body
> was in the van following the biker. After checking the rules on
> finding your body, we figured that a watcher has a better chance
> of finding it than he did. So he summoned a watcher and followed
> it back to his body.

> My questions are:
> What should of happened to the mage hit by the biker?
See above
> Can a projecting mage summon a watcher?
Certainly
> What would you have done differently?
> Also can a projecting mage or shamon summon anything while
> projecting?
Certainly

> --
> Nigel westln@***.edu
> AKA C. Yossarrian, UPAC Projectionist
> AKA Lorden
> Speaking for myself, and no one else.




Ciao Christian
Message no. 4
From: Lorden <westln@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Astral mage hit by a biker
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 08:10:37 -0400
On Apr 25, 13:40, Christian Werner wrote:
> Subject: Re: Astral mage hit by a biker
> > Appologizes if you see this twice.
>
> > I'm fairly new to GMing but I had a problem come up last weekend
> > that is just not covered and was wondering how other would
> > handle it.
>
> > A PC Mage manifested infront of a speeding go ganger. He was
> > trying to get him to swerve and have an accident. The ganger
> > failed his perception and drove right through the mage. Since
> > the mage was astral nothing happened to the biker. What should
> > have happened to the mage?
>
> > The player thought since he was astral and could not effect the
> > biker it would be as if the mage had no mass and was just
> > bounced out of the way. I accepted that and to his surprised
> > bounced him from the Barrens to the slopes of Mt. Reiner.
>
> The Mage is not corporeal, so nothing happens to the Mage, the Biker drives
> simply through him, like he were a ghost.
>
<SNIP>

>
> Ciao Christian
>-- End of excerpt from Christian Werner
I have a problem with that. The biker is a living being,
just as much as a tree or grass or Ivy. Since a projecting mage/
shaman cannot pass through Ivy why would the Mage be passed thru
by the biker.

--
Nigel westln@***.edu
AKA C. Yossarrian, UPAC Projectionist
AKA Lorden
Speaking for myself, and no one else.
Message no. 5
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: Astral mage hit by a biker.
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 07:49:25 -0600
Lorden wrote:
|
| A PC Mage manifested infront of a speeding go ganger. He was
| trying to get him to swerve and have an accident. The ganger
| failed his perception and drove right through the mage. Since
| the mage was astral nothing happened to the biker. What should
| have happened to the mage?
|
| The player thought since he was astral and could not effect the
| biker it would be as if the mage had no mass and was just
| bounced out of the way. I accepted that and to his surprised
| bounced him from the Barrens to the slopes of Mt. Reiner.

If the astral mage has no mass, then he can't be bounced. He would
be pushed out of the way and his movement would stop as soon the
biker was no longer pushing him. No mass, no momentum.

Just for fun I would have had the mage get tangled up with the biker
and taken for a short ride :)

| ...can a projecting mage or shamon summon anything while
| projecting?

Yes.

-David
--
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alliances like underpants in a dryer without Cling Free."
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Message no. 6
From: "Faux Pas (Thomas)" <thomas@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Astral mage hit by a biker
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:00:30 -0500
On 07:00 AM 4/25/97 -0400, Lorden typed:
>Mage manifested infront of a speeding go ganger. He was
>trying to get him to swerve and have an accident. The ganger
>failed his perception and drove right through the mage. Since
>the mage was astral nothing happened to the biker. What should
>have happened to the mage?
>
>The player thought since he was astral and could not effect the
>biker it would be as if the mage had no mass and was just
>bounced out of the way. I accepted that and to his surprised
>bounced him from the Barrens to the slopes of Mt. Reiner.

Ah, welcome to the FAB debate.

Two auras colliding, no resistance - the astral mage would have bounced.
The biker's aura wouldn't be affected as it has a physical counterpart.


-Thomas Deeny
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Message no. 7
From: Mike Hartmann <hartmann@***********.M.EUNET.DE>
Subject: Re: Astral mage hit by a biker
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 19:18:53 +0000
On 25 Apr 97 at 13:40, Christian Werner wrote:

> > A PC Mage manifested infront of a speeding go ganger. He was
> > trying to get him to swerve and have an accident. The ganger
> > failed his perception and drove right through the mage. Since
> > the mage was astral nothing happened to the biker. What should
> > have happened to the mage?

> The Mage is not corporeal, so nothing happens to the Mage, the Biker drives
> simply through him, like he were a ghost.

You sure? Projecting magicians can't pass living things, so he should
get hit by the gangers aura and be driven back. How much damage he
should take? Dunno. Perhaps treat the gangers essence as the barrier
rating and calculate damage like he had hit the barrier with the
speed of the ganger? Any suggestions?

Bye Mike


>
> > It took him a while to figure out where he was and head back to
> > the barrens to start searching for his body. You see his body
> > was in the van following the biker. After checking the rules on
> > finding your body, we figured that a watcher has a better chance
> > of finding it than he did. So he summoned a watcher and followed
> > it back to his body.
>
> > My questions are:
> > What should of happened to the mage hit by the biker?
> See above
> > Can a projecting mage summon a watcher?
> Certainly
> > What would you have done differently?
> > Also can a projecting mage or shamon summon anything while
> > projecting?
> Certainly
>
> > --
> > Nigel westln@***.edu
> > AKA C. Yossarrian, UPAC Projectionist
> > AKA Lorden
> > Speaking for myself, and no one else.
>
>
>
>
> Ciao Christian
>
Message no. 8
From: David Thompson <david.s.thompson@****.EDU>
Subject: Re: Astral mage hit by a biker.
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 14:01:42 -0400
At 07:49 AM 4/25/97 -0600, you wrote:
>Lorden wrote:
>|
>| A PC Mage manifested infront of a speeding go ganger. He was
>| trying to get him to swerve and have an accident. The ganger
>| failed his perception and drove right through the mage. Since
>| the mage was astral nothing happened to the biker. What should
>| have happened to the mage?
>|
>| The player thought since he was astral and could not effect the
>| biker it would be as if the mage had no mass and was just
>| bounced out of the way. I accepted that and to his surprised
>| bounced him from the Barrens to the slopes of Mt. Reiner.
>
>If the astral mage has no mass, then he can't be bounced. He would
>be pushed out of the way and his movement would stop as soon the
>biker was no longer pushing him. No mass, no momentum.
>
>Just for fun I would have had the mage get tangled up with the biker
>and taken for a short ride :)
>
Just a thought, but, the astral mages's reactoin is probably 20+ and he
moves at the speed of thought. There is no way a guy on a motorcycle is
going to hit him if he doesn't want to be hit, even if he got in the path of
the bike in the first place. If he was hit for whatever reason, I'd agree
that he is pushed along until he can untangle himself. However, shooting
him up the side of a mountain is fun also. :)

(Oh, and, physics point, light has no mass, but has energy and imparts
momentum.
I don't think simple mechanics is the best way to talk about astral bodies.)

--DT
Message no. 9
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: Astral mage hit by a biker.
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:15:55 -0600
David Thompson wrote:
|
| (Oh, and, physics point, light has no mass, but has energy and imparts
| momentum.
| I don't think simple mechanics is the best way to talk about astral bodies.)

Doh, I got caught by that during the FAB debate to and forgot about
it. In *my game* I view astral space as having no physical
qualities. None, zero, nada, zip. YMMV :)

-David
--
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alliances like underpants in a dryer without Cling Free."
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Message no. 10
From: Loki <gamemstr@********.COM>
Subject: Re: Astral mage hit by a biker.
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:01:44 -0700
> My questions are:
> What should of happened to the mage hit by the biker?

I would have said the living aura of the biker bounced or bumped the mage
out of the way, but not as drastically as you may have handled it. A few
meters in a random scatter direction would've sufficed/

> Can a projecting mage summon a watcher?

In my game no, see below.

> What would you have done differently?

Just not have bounced the mage a few dozen kilometers or allowed the
summoning/

> Also can a projecting mage or shamon summon anything while
> projecting?
I say no. A mage can't sustain a spell while projecting. In my opinion this
is because he's not tied to his physical body and thus not creating a
bridge to pull these energies into the physical plane. I rule the same for
summoning. He's not physical and thus able to accurately open a gate (via
dancing, gesturing, crying out, or whatever it takes) to pull other
forces/beings into this plane as well. Now this is just my GM's opinion
though.

@>--,--'--- Loki

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
- A. C. Clarke


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Message no. 11
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Astral mage hit by a biker.
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 14:43:08 +0100
Lorden said on 5:37/25 Apr 97...

> A PC Mage manifested infront of a speeding go ganger. He was
> trying to get him to swerve and have an accident. The ganger
> failed his perception and drove right through the mage. Since
> the mage was astral nothing happened to the biker. What should
> have happened to the mage?

I'd have let it be dragged along by the biker, until the mage had
side-stepped to get out of the way. IMO your solution is as good as any,
though.

[snip]
> It took him a while to figure out where he was and head back to
> the barrens to start searching for his body. You see his body
> was in the van following the biker. After checking the rules on
> finding your body, we figured that a watcher has a better chance
> of finding it than he did. So he summoned a watcher and followed
> it back to his body.

I tried that too once, when I actually got to play. I asked the watcher to
find my body, and it pointed to me (my astral image) and said "There you
are!! I found you!!" I liked that, and since that time I've been using it
myself too.

> My questions are:
[first three snipped]
> Also can a projecting mage or shamon summon anything while
> projecting?

I'm 99% sure I read somewhere once that it's impossible to summon a
spirit when you're astrally projecting, but I can't find it in any SR
rulebooks anymore :( Still this is also a rule I like, and even if it
doesn't exist (anymore?) as an official rule, I use it as a house rule.

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Message no. 12
From: Christian Werner <i21axray@*******.RZ.UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE>
Subject: Re: Astral mage hit by a biker
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 10:09:56 +0200
> On 25 Apr 97 at 13:40, Christian Werner wrote:

>> > A PC Mage manifested infront of a speeding go ganger. He was
>> > trying to get him to swerve and have an accident. The ganger
>> > failed his perception and drove right through the mage. Since
>> > the mage was astral nothing happened to the biker. What should
>> > have happened to the mage?

>> The Mage is not corporeal, so nothing happens to the Mage, the Biker
>> drives
>> simply through him, like he were a ghost.

> You sure? Projecting magicians can't pass living things, so he should
> get hit by the gangers aura and be driven back. How much damage he
> should take? Dunno. Perhaps treat the gangers essence as the barrier
> rating and calculate damage like he had hit the barrier with the
> speed of the ganger? Any suggestions?

> Bye Mike

So what happens, when somebody is trying to hit a manifesting Mage with his
fist / etc.. A manifest Mage cannot be harmed, otherwise, he would be like a
spirit, and then it should be possible to interact with the world.




Ciao Christian
Message no. 13
From: Christian Werner <i21axray@*******.RZ.UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE>
Subject: Fw: Re: Astral mage hit by a biker
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 10:07:35 +0200
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From: dbuehrer@****.org (David Buehrer)
Date: 25.04.97, 08:17:29
Subject: Re: Astral mage hit by a biker

Christian Werner wrote:
|
| > Appologizes if you see this twice.
|
| > I'm fairly new to GMing but I had a problem come up last weekend
| > that is just not covered and was wondering how other would
| > handle it.
|
| > A PC Mage manifested infront of a speeding go ganger. He was
| > trying to get him to swerve and have an accident. The ganger
| > failed his perception and drove right through the mage. Since
| > the mage was astral nothing happened to the biker. What should
| > have happened to the mage?
|
| > The player thought since he was astral and could not effect the
| > biker it would be as if the mage had no mass and was just
| > bounced out of the way. I accepted that and to his surprised
| > bounced him from the Barrens to the slopes of Mt. Reiner.
|
| The Mage is not corporeal, so nothing happens to the Mage, the Biker
drives
| simply through him, like he were a ghost.

Um, no. An astral mage is not corporeal. He cannot pass through the
auras of living beings. However, neither can he affect anything on
the physical plane. So, the biker hits the mage, the mage doesn't
affect the biker at all, and the biker's aura pushes the mage out of
the way.

-David
--
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"His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking
alliances like underpants in a dryer without Cling Free."
~~~http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/1068/homepage.htm~~~~



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Ciao Christian
Message no. 14
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Astral mage hit by a biker.
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 21:52:38 -0400
Gurth once dared to write,

>I tried that too once, when I actually got to play. I asked the watcher to
>find my body, and it pointed to me (my astral image) and said "There you
>are!! I found you!!" I liked that, and since that time I've been using it
>myself too.

B>]# I LOVE IT!!!


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Message no. 15
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Astral mage hit by a biker
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 10:24:15 +0100
Christian Werner said on 10:09/26 Apr 97...

> So what happens, when somebody is trying to hit a manifesting Mage with his
> fist / etc.. A manifest Mage cannot be harmed, otherwise, he would be like a
> spirit, and then it should be possible to interact with the world.

The magician is displaced by the movement of the fist, plain and simple,
and no harm is done to either the magician or the "attacker."

However, don't ask about what happens if the astral magician happens to
have been tied, with living vines or a FAB-filled tube, against a tree,
and then someone decides to punch him/her... :)

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I don't know when...
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Message no. 16
From: Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Astral mage hit by a biker.
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 16:45:02 -0700
---Gurth wrote:
> > Also can a projecting mage or shamon summon anything while
> > projecting?
>
> I'm 99% sure I read somewhere once that it's impossible to summon a
> spirit when you're astrally projecting, but I can't find it in any SR
> rulebooks anymore :( Still this is also a rule I like, and even if it
> doesn't exist (anymore?) as an official rule, I use it as a house
rule.

I'm in the same boat, Gurth. I don't allow summoning while
projecting...but did I read the rule somewhere, or is it one I just
came up with? If you ever find it in B&W somewhere liet me know.

@>--,--'--- Loki

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Message no. 17
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Astral mage hit by a biker.
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:29:38 +0100
Loki said on 16:45/27 Apr 97...

> > I'm 99% sure I read somewhere once that it's impossible to summon a
> > spirit when you're astrally projecting, but I can't find it in any SR
> > rulebooks anymore :( Still this is also a rule I like, and even if it
> > doesn't exist (anymore?) as an official rule, I use it as a house
> rule.
>
> I'm in the same boat, Gurth. I don't allow summoning while
> projecting...but did I read the rule somewhere, or is it one I just
> came up with? If you ever find it in B&W somewhere liet me know.

I'm looking through Awakenings now, and I haven't found anything that
supports this yet, but I did find the following, on page 32. This reaches
back to a small thread of a few days ago:

"A shaman can conjure only one nature spirit in a given place. But he can
assign the spirit a service that continues past the shaman leaving the
domain, as long as the task doesn't exceed the spirit's normal time of
service (sunrise or sunset)."

It then goes on to give a few examples, and it implies shamans can have
more than one nature spirit under their control at a time (though it
doesn't explicitly /say/ so). Page 102 does, I noticed after some more
reading. Any spirit that isn't given a continuous service to perform
leaves as soon as the shaman leaves the domain. however.

Still, I couldn't find that rule that says you can't summon a spirit when
you're astrally projctin, and I'm sure I read it somewhere once, several
years ago... :/

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Message no. 18
From: Mark Steedman <M.J.Steedman@***.RGU.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Astral mage hit by a biker
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:30:43 GMT
Christian Werner writes

> >> > A PC Mage manifested infront of a speeding go ganger. He was
> >> > trying to get him to swerve and have an accident. The ganger
> >> > failed his perception and drove right through the mage. Since
> >> > the mage was astral nothing happened to the biker. What should
> >> > have happened to the mage?
>
gotten knocked out of the way. May go head over heels a few times
which is distracting but thats about it.

> >> The Mage is not corporeal, so nothing happens to the Mage, the Biker
> >> drives
> >> simply through him, like he were a ghost.
>
Sorry auras cannot pass through each other. The mage gets shoved out
of the way, the ganger feels nothing.

>
> So what happens, when somebody is trying to hit a manifesting Mage with his
> fist / etc.. A manifest Mage cannot be harmed, otherwise, he would be like a
> spirit, and then it should be possible to interact with the world.
>
The mage gets knocked back, and if hit goes flying for a 'grand slam'
type hit. It won't hurt the mage in the slightest, no damage transfer
but it may well be annoying and possibly embarrasing depending on
who's watching at the time. If his attacker has an active weapon
focus life gets more interesting, though genearally unless the
attacker is astrally active an able to engage in astral combat the
mage should be immune to actual damage [the magicians ego is another
matter :) ]

Mark
Message no. 19
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: Astral mage hit by a biker
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 08:27:36 -0600
Gurth wrote:
|
| However, don't ask about what happens if the astral magician happens to
| have been tied, with living vines or a FAB-filled tube, against a tree,
| and then someone decides to punch him/her... :)

That's easy. The universe folds in upon itself :)

Seriously though, based on the rules, the absence of rules, and
FASAMike's answer to the whole FAB debate, the tube would not pass
through the mage's astral form, and the mage would be unharmed. As I
understand it, the mage cannot exert force on the physical world, but
the physical world can exert force on the mage. However, the mage's
form will block a physical force if backed by another physical force
(will support a FAB net if caught between a FAB net and the ground).
Please note that this is conjecture, and not canon. The effects of
extreme forces are implied in the sidebars (death of the mage), but
IMO are at the discretion of each GM.

-David
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Message no. 20
From: Mark Steedman <M.J.Steedman@***.RGU.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Astral mage hit by a biker
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 16:44:53 GMT
David Buehrer writes

> Gurth wrote:
> |
> | However, don't ask about what happens if the astral magician happens to
> | have been tied, with living vines or a FAB-filled tube, against a tree,
> | and then someone decides to punch him/her... :)
>
> That's easy. The universe folds in upon itself :)
>
> Seriously though, based on the rules, the absence of rules, and
> FASAMike's answer to the whole FAB debate, the tube would not pass
> through the mage's astral form, and the mage would be unharmed. As I
> understand it, the mage cannot exert force on the physical world, but
> the physical world can exert force on the mage. However, the mage's
> form will block a physical force if backed by another physical force
> (will support a FAB net if caught between a FAB net and the ground).
> Please note that this is conjecture, and not canon.
It agrees with my opinion at least, a mage caught on 'living' earth
by a FAB net is trapped and not squashed, but drop a ten ton blosk
with a fab coating on the base on the poor mage and you get mage
pancake same as if you did the same to the poor souls physical body.
This interpretaion has the advantage of making common sense not some
silly and incomplete set of arbitary rules applicable to resolving
wierd situations players manage to achieve :). Note splattering an
astral mage with your fab roller equipped steam roller should by
damage repercussion have a similar effect on his body, this could be
very gruesome for his poor team mates.

> The effects of
> extreme forces are implied in the sidebars (death of the mage), but
> IMO are at the discretion of each GM.
>
Agreed though i comment above on what i will use if it comes to it.
Hopefully i will never manage to get a mage in this situation but
considering the silly things players manage to do .....

Mark

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