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Message no. 1
From: GRANITE granite@**.net
Subject: Ballot Results - The People Have Spoken!
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 17:48:03 -0700
OK..The People Have Spoken..Here are the results of the first
ballot!!

Third Edition Hard Cover issue number
YES
==Color of TShirt fabric.
Black
==In order of preferance the Top 3 Themes are:
1] Some variation of the Shadowrun "S'
2] the troll in the bathrobe and bunny slippers
3] "ShadowRN: Dealing with Dragons since '89"

This is where artists should concentrate their efforts..Developing one
or more of these ideas... So here's the new deadline 18 APR 99 all
artwork to be completed and online somewhere for concideration in the
artwork ballot. That should be ALL artwork including contenders for
the back design [please keep in mind that the back should try to
include space for the 4 digit number of the SR3HC - If you cannot fit
it in please note that somewhere]

Here are the ideas that received votes and how many each received:
================Do you want the back of the shirt to also contain the Shadowrun
Third Edition Hard Cover issue number [assuming there is room]?
YES - 21
NO - 13
ABSTAIN - 5
================1] "Run with the Best, or THWAPPED like the rest" ShadowRN - 1
==2] the troll in the bathrobe and bunny slippers - 7
Variations:
holding a carp like a club with a look in his
eyes like your gonna be on the receiving end of
the carp. Perhaps toss a few unconscious bodies in the
background and the simple quote of "Next!"
Got Runners?
Runner's Day Off
Got NERPS
'Shadowrun / Be your own boss.'
'Don't even think it...'
"What Woodchuck?"
==3] Troll hoisting the CARP with the words "I've been - 1
Thwapped at shadowrn@*********.org".
=] a Troll Head and Shoulders with the - 2
phrase "Frag Off"
=] A 3 quarters view of pill with a - 2
3-D cut (what's the word for the opposite of
relief where the image goes in instead of out?
or are they both relief?) of SR 'S' imbedded in
it. Below (or above) it: "Got Nerps?"
=]Something with the phrase "Got NERPS?" - 2
=] Actually the "Menthos" commercial with the - 2
runner hanging from the chopper.
=] "ShadowRN: Dealing with Dragons since '89" (or - 4
whenever shadowRN was started).
I see this with a runner or group of runners in
the forground and the shadow of a Dragon cast
across the background onto a brick wall as from
an alley
= ] Something like "The Matrix: Welcome to *our* - 1
world." or "The Matrix: We Were Here First."
with an image of a runner/listmember dodging a
bunch of thrown carp?
=#] How about a picture of a decker connected to a computer - 1
with the quote: "Stay wired in, with ShadowRN."
===
24] Somevariation of the Shadowrun "S' - 12
===
26] Perhaps one side of an image being a "chrome - 1
type"(either Matrix or Street Sam) and the other side being more
"astral projectionish"?
===
28] Cow &Runners idea or some variatioon - 2
===
29] THE 6TH WORLD12 YEARS AND COUNTING - 1
-==============
Color of TShirt fabric.
Black - 31
Grey - 3
Green - 1
White - 1
ABSTAIN - 3
--------------------------------GRANITE
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Message no. 2
From: grahamdrew grahamdrew@*********.com
Subject: Ballot Results - The People Have Spoken!
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 20:16:09 -0400
Ok, I hope someone else didn't already mention this but here goes:

It seems that the "some variation on the shadowrun 'S' won out and that
got me thinking. What if we combined that with the "The Matrix: We were
here first" design? What if we combined the green binary 1s and 0s
design (I'm sorry to whoever did that wonder piece of art, I'd give you
credit but I'm horable with names) with that wierd code in the movie,
The Matrix (anyone who's sen it will know what I'm talking about, those
strange scrolling characters that were on the multiple screens....)? If
we replaced the binary stuff with the wierd little characters, it might
add a little somehting to the mixture. Make the whole greater than the
sum of it's parts.

Well, that's about all I got. I have this vivid image in my head of the
thing, and I hope my description has done it justice.
Message no. 3
From: Kyoto the Angel dann1@********.erols.com
Subject: Ballot Results - The People Have Spoken!
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 23:17:04 -0400
>It seems that the "some variation on the shadowrun 'S' won out and that
>got me thinking. What if we combined that with the "The Matrix: We were
>here first" design? What if we combined the green binary 1s and 0s
>design (I'm sorry to whoever did that wonder piece of art, I'd give you
>credit but I'm horable with names) with that wierd code in the movie,
>The Matrix (anyone who's sen it will know what I'm talking about, those
>strange scrolling characters that were on the multiple screens....)? If
>we replaced the binary stuff with the wierd little characters, it might
>add a little somehting to the mixture. Make the whole greater than the
>sum of it's parts.
>
Whoa

<pictures that>

That looks absolutely astounding in my head, in fact, maybe I'll go make it
in PhotoShop, just for grins...

Kyoto the Angel
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Message no. 4
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Ballot Results - The People Have Spoken!
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 23:24:29 EDT
In a message dated 4/5/1999 9:53:32 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
grahamdrew@*********.com writes:

>
> It seems that the "some variation on the shadowrun 'S' won out and that
> got me thinking. What if we combined that with the "The Matrix: We were
> here first" design? What if we combined the green binary 1s and 0s
> design (I'm sorry to whoever did that wonder piece of art, I'd give you
> credit but I'm horable with names) with that wierd code in the movie,
> The Matrix (anyone who's sen it will know what I'm talking about, those
> strange scrolling characters that were on the multiple screens....)? If
> we replaced the binary stuff with the wierd little characters, it might
> add a little somehting to the mixture. Make the whole greater than the
> sum of it's parts.
>
> Well, that's about all I got. I have this vivid image in my head of the
> thing, and I hope my description has done it justice.

The idea is really interesting, I do have to admit, especially since I've had
the Matrix screen saver on my computer now for over a month (now if I just a
REALLY Powerful Video Card to do it justice instead of just this 4megger...).

Anywho...personally, would like to. However, and do NOT quote me on this, I
doubt anyone at FASA would like that one....and talk about begging for a
gripe. Let's create an image that put two parallel ideas (FASA created "the
Matrix" as we play it...Warner Brothers created "the Matrix" as we *might*
view it). Sure, okay...I'll watch from over *there*....thankyouverymuch!!!
;-P

-K
Message no. 5
From: dghost@****.com dghost@****.com
Subject: Ballot Results - The People Have Spoken!
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 22:53:39 -0500
On Mon, 5 Apr 1999 17:48:03 -0700 "GRANITE" <granite@**.net> writes:
<SNIP>
>3] "ShadowRN: Dealing with Dragons since '89"

This was the quote that went was intended to be accompanied by the
picture Lowfyr we can't use, right?

>This is where artists should concentrate their efforts..Developing one
>or more of these ideas... So here's the new deadline 18 APR 99 all
>artwork to be completed and online somewhere for concideration in the
>artwork ballot. That should be ALL artwork including contenders for
>the back design [please keep in mind that the back should try to
>include space for the 4 digit number of the SR3HC - If you cannot fit
>it in please note that somewhere]

18th of April. That's 13 days ... your lucky number? ;)

>Here are the ideas that received votes and how many each received:
<SNIP>
>11] A 3 quarters view of pill with a - 2
<SNIP>
>it. Below (or above) it: "Got Nerps?"

Cool beans!

<SNIP>
>15] "ShadowRN: Dealing with Dragons since '89" (or - 4
> whenever shadowRN was started).
>I see this with a runner or group of runners in
>the forground and the shadow of a Dragon cast
>across the background onto a brick wall as from
>an alley

Ah ... This sounds familiar actually, is something similar in a SR book?

<SNIP>
>24] Somevariation of the Shadowrun "S' - 12
<SNIP>

Wow. Congratualations David!

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Message no. 6
From: David Buehrer dbuehrer@******.carl.org
Subject: Ballot Results - The People Have Spoken!
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 07:19:17 -0600 (MDT)
dghost@****.com wrote:
/
/ <SNIP>
/ >24] Somevariation of the Shadowrun "S' - 12
/ <SNIP>
/
/ Wow. Congratualations David!

Thanks. But I want to point out that Mongoose and Dvixen also did "S"
designs. It's still a three way race. And given the artistic talent
this year I expect more to join the race :)

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Message no. 7
From: MC23 mc23@**********.com
Subject: Ballot Results - The People Have Spoken!
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 10:17:17 -0400
Once upon a time, GRANITE wrote;

>Do you want the back of the shirt to also contain the Shadowrun
>Third Edition Hard Cover issue number [assuming there is room]?
>YES - 21
> NO - 13
>ABSTAIN - 5

So only 39 people voted. Seems like a low turn out to me. This year seems
overly rushed and railroaded along. I might be sitting this one out.

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Message no. 8
From: Tim Kerby drekhead@***.net
Subject: Ballot Results - The People Have Spoken!
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 10:35:06 -0400
On 6 Apr 99, at 10:17, MC23 wrote:

> So only 39 people voted. Seems like a low turn out to me. This year seems
> overly rushed and railroaded along. I might be sitting this one out.

I couldn't agree more. I don't know if I want to spend my money on
something that was rushed.

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Message no. 9
From: Lehlan Decker DeckerL@******.com
Subject: Ballot Results - The People Have Spoken!
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 10:38:47 -0400
>YES - 21
> NO - 13
>ABSTAIN - 5

>So only 39 people voted. Seems like a low turn out to me. This
>year seems
>overly rushed and railroaded along. I might be sitting this one
>out.

I've thought the same thing, and until the very end, it was hard to
seperate the signal from the noise. I'm thinking it might almost
be worth a list for those who want to hash out the details, and just
post to this list for the final vote,where to send order. Or if
everyone uses the tags correctly, at least my filter will sort it out.
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Message no. 10
From: Manx timburke@*******.com.au
Subject: Ballot Results - The People Have Spoken!
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 00:40:28 +1000
At 10:35 6/04/99 -0400 Tim Kerby wrote
>On 6 Apr 99, at 10:17, MC23 wrote:
>
>> So only 39 people voted. Seems like a low turn out to me. This year seems
>> overly rushed and railroaded along. I might be sitting this one out.
>
>I couldn't agree more. I don't know if I want to spend my money on
>something that was rushed.
>

Hey guys before we all start doom-mongering the Shirt
why don't you wait for the final designs? To say that people
have been railroaded is a very unfair accusation. The shirt
thread has been going for long enough for those that are
interested in having a say.

As for something that's been rushed my personal opinion
of the RN shirt that I _have_ seen from a previous year
left alot to be desired and it wasn't rushed.

If we were to not "rush" the shirts then we'd end up with
the Lighbulb scenario personified (check Blair's previous
OT post.)

Manx
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Message no. 11
From: Ryan W. Bolduan emeottrw@***.umn.edu
Subject: Ballot Results - The People Have Spoken!
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 09:53:34 -0500 (CDT)
On Tue, 6 Apr 1999, MC23 wrote:

> Once upon a time, GRANITE wrote;
>
> >Do you want the back of the shirt to also contain the Shadowrun
> >Third Edition Hard Cover issue number [assuming there is room]?
> >YES - 21
> > NO - 13
> >ABSTAIN - 5
>
> So only 39 people voted. Seems like a low turn out to me. This year seems
> overly rushed and railroaded along. I might be sitting this one out.
>

Couldn't agree more. It seemed to start off on the wrong foot, and end on
the wrong foot. I was hopeful at the start, but I too will sit this one
out (for a multitude of reasons).

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Message no. 12
From: Tim Kerby drekhead@***.net
Subject: Ballot Results - The People Have Spoken!
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:03:47 -0400
On 7 Apr 99, at 0:40, Manx wrote:

> If we were to not "rush" the shirts then we'd end up with
> the Lighbulb scenario personified (check Blair's previous
> OT post.)

Sometimes the best ideas come from the Lightbulb scenario.

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Message no. 13
From: Manx timburke@*******.com.au
Subject: Ballot Results - The People Have Spoken!
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 01:17:04 +1000
At 11:03 6/04/99 -0400 Tim Kerby wrote
>On 7 Apr 99, at 0:40, Manx wrote:
>
>> If we were to not "rush" the shirts then we'd end up with
>> the Lighbulb scenario personified (check Blair's previous
>> OT post.)
>
>Sometimes the best ideas come from the Lightbulb scenario.
>

Granted that may very well sometimes be the case.

However some of us are glad that the pace is
somewhat more energetic so that we actually
_see_ a shirt this year.

Manx
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Message no. 14
From: Rat winterhawk@*********.net
Subject: Ballot Results - The People Have Spoken!
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 10:12:39 -0700
> From: dghost@****.com

> On Mon, 5 Apr 1999 17:48:03 -0700 "GRANITE" <granite@**.net> writes:
> <SNIP>
> >3] "ShadowRN: Dealing with Dragons since '89"
>
> This was the quote that went was intended to be accompanied by the
> picture Lowfyr we can't use, right?
>


Bonehead question from Rat... (I really should know this, since I'm
a technical writer in Real Life and *should* know copyright
law at least a little bit, but...):

I own the original of this picture. I bought it fair and
square from Jim Nelson, the artist. Does that mean I have
the right to say whether or not it can be on the shirt, or
does Jim still own "intellectual property rights" to it?
(Or maybe FASA does, if it was done as a 'work for hire'
for them.)

If the former, I'll freely give permission to use it (as long
as it doesn't leave my possession during the scanning/
whatever process, of course.) If the latter, then I guess
it would take getting Jim's/FASA's permission to use it.

--Rat

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Message no. 15
From: Ken Hart satyr9@********.com
Subject: Ballot Results - The People Have Spoken!
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 09:38:20 -0800
On Tuesday, April 7, thus did Manx <timburke@*******.com.au> speak:

>Hey guys before we all start doom-mongering the Shirt
>why don't you wait for the final designs? To say that people
>have been railroaded is a very unfair accusation. The shirt
>thread has been going for long enough for those that are
>interested in having a say.

Agree 100 percent. The T-shirt discussion has been going on for a long time, so these
comments about the process being rushed are baseless. (When did they expect a decision,
anyway? Late April? May?) In any event, people should wait until the final designs are
ready for viewing before making these blanket "count me out" statements.

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Message no. 16
From: Mongoose m0ng005e@*********.com
Subject: Ballot Results - The People Have Spoken!
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 13:48:25 -0500
:So only 39 people voted. Seems like a low turn out to me. This year seems
:overly rushed and railroaded along. I might be sitting this one out.


IIRC, only 43 people voted on the FINALIZED shirt designs last year.
Heck, there was only 62 or so names on it. So you are looking at, easily, a
60% turnout. The American electorate should be so coscientious.

Realize also that this is basically a committee guideline for artistic
advice- a good dark horse image could still enter the race and take the
sweeps, though I'M not cooking one up.

Mongoose
Message no. 17
From: Scott Wheelock iscottw@*****.nb.ca
Subject: Ballot Results - The People Have Spoken!
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 18:37:31 -0300
"And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to Rat."
] > 3] "ShadowRN: Dealing with Dragons since '89"
]
] > This was the quote that went was intended to be accompanied by the
] > picture Lowfyr we can't use, right?
] >
] Bonehead question from Rat... (I really should know this, since I'm
] a technical writer in Real Life and *should* know copyright
] law at least a little bit, but...):
]
] I own the original of this picture. I bought it fair and
] square from Jim Nelson, the artist. Does that mean I have
] the right to say whether or not it can be on the shirt, or
] does Jim still own "intellectual property rights" to it?
] (Or maybe FASA does, if it was done as a 'work for hire'
] for them.)
]
] If the former, I'll freely give permission to use it (as long
] as it doesn't leave my possession during the scanning/
] whatever process, of course.) If the latter, then I guess
] it would take getting Jim's/FASA's permission to use it.
]
] --Rat

Has anyone asked Mr. Nelson or FASA about this picture?
We might luck out. It's worth a try.
And Rat, how's the contest judging going?

-Murder of One
Message no. 18
From: Patrick Goodman remo@***.net
Subject: Ballot Results - The People Have Spoken!
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 22:26:42 -0500
>> So only 39 people voted. Seems like a low turn out to me. This year seems
>> overly rushed and railroaded along. I might be sitting this one out.
>
>I couldn't agree more. I don't know if I want to spend my money on
>something that was rushed.

I concur. Can someone tell me why we're apparently in such a blasted rush?
Where's the fire, to rip off a cliche?

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Message no. 19
From: dghost@****.com dghost@****.com
Subject: Ballot Results - The People Have Spoken!
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 01:37:25 -0500
On Tue, 6 Apr 1999 22:26:42 -0500 "Patrick Goodman" <remo@***.net>
writes:
>>> So only 39 people voted. Seems like a low turn out to me. This year
seems
>>> overly rushed and railroaded along. I might be sitting this one out.

>>I couldn't agree more. I don't know if I want to spend my money on
>>something that was rushed.

>I concur. Can someone tell me why we're apparently in such a blasted
rush?
>Where's the fire, to rip off a cliche?

Granite feels that we need to hurry in order to get the shirts MAILED
BEFORE Gencon. Last year the shirts got to some people AT Gencon; K hand
delivered them. I have no idea if Granite's time table is rushed or on
target, but I'm not taking over... ;)

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Message no. 20
From: Airwasp@***.com Airwasp@***.com
Subject: Ballot Results - The People Have Spoken!
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 09:56:30 EDT
On roughly the same topic, but a little different, only 38 people have done
anything with the RN Shirt survey on HHH to get information to begin getting
a basis for cost, colors, and things of that nature.

There are a lot more people out their on the list, please fill out the survey
so those who eventually get "drafted" to do the shirts will be able to get us
good price quotes before anyone even begins to make an ordering page.

-Herc
Message no. 21
From: Ryan W. Bolduan emeottrw@***.umn.edu
Subject: Ballot Results - The People Have Spoken!
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 09:31:25 -0500 (CDT)
On Wed, 7 Apr 1999 Airwasp@***.com wrote:

> On roughly the same topic, but a little different, only 38 people have done
> anything with the RN Shirt survey on HHH to get information to begin getting
> a basis for cost, colors, and things of that nature.
>
> There are a lot more people out their on the list, please fill out the survey
> so those who eventually get "drafted" to do the shirts will be able to get
us
> good price quotes before anyone even begins to make an ordering page.
>
> -Herc
>
My vote is probably that 38 to 39 vote difference. I don't have access to
the page durring the day at all. I might be able to get to it tonight,
but we'll have to see. I do* want to get my vote in though.

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Message no. 22
From: Kama kama@*******.net
Subject: Ballot Results - The People Have Spoken!
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 10:47:04 -0400 (EDT)
On Wed, 7 Apr 1999, Ryan W. Bolduan wrote:

> On Wed, 7 Apr 1999 Airwasp@***.com wrote:
>
> > On roughly the same topic, but a little different, only 38 people have done
> > anything with the RN Shirt survey on HHH to get information to begin getting
> > a basis for cost, colors, and things of that nature.
> >
> > There are a lot more people out their on the list, please fill out the survey
> > so those who eventually get "drafted" to do the shirts will be able to
get us
> > good price quotes before anyone even begins to make an ordering page.
> >
> > -Herc
> >
> My vote is probably that 38 to 39 vote difference. I don't have access to
> the page durring the day at all. I might be able to get to it tonight,
> but we'll have to see. I do* want to get my vote in though.
>

Well, I did fill out the HHH survey, but did not vote on the list. As to
why (since some people seem to be speculating) it was a several fold
thing. I don't care about the BABY issue. The T-shirt color issue was
going the way I would have voted (Black). The design issue wasn't too
important to me right now. I like the S design ideas. I like the idea of
using the Dragon print if it turns out the copyright went with the
original. On the whole, I figure the final vote on completed designs is
the most important, Finally, the ballot was a bit confusing and lost in my
in-box. I had meant to get back ot it, but couldn't figure out how to
express my opinions clearly and quickly (unlike on the HHH site) so I
didn't worry about it.

However, my lack of a vote should not be taken as disintrest in the
T-shirt. I'll be purchasing two (unless the final design ends up being
really offensive).

Kama
Keeper of the Dicebag from Hell(tm)
Message no. 23
From: Rat winterhawk@*********.net
Subject: Ballot Results - The People Have Spoken!
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 08:47:45 -0700
> From: Scott Wheelock <iscottw@*****.nb.ca>
>
> Has anyone asked Mr. Nelson or FASA about this picture?
> We might luck out. It's worth a try.

Once I'm assured that he won't just laugh at me for
such an idiotic notion, I'll send him a note. :)


> And Rat, how's the contest judging going?
>

It's coming along. Got quite a few entries this time
(but then again, they're short!)

I've got three more ideas for contests coming up,
not even mentioning the second annual Short Story
Contest in August. Sharpen those keyboards, chummers!

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Message no. 24
From: David Buehrer dbuehrer@******.carl.org
Subject: Ballot Results - The People Have Spoken!
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 12:17:12 -0600 (MDT)
GRANITE wrote:
/
/ So here's the new deadline 18 APR 99 all
/ artwork to be completed and online somewhere for concideration in the
/ artwork ballot.

I think that April 18th is way to soon. I would be happier with a May
15th art deadline. Then we can start voting on the final ballot on May
16th and tally the results on June 1st. Give everyone until June 15th
to put in their t-shirt order. Wait until July 15th for the money. On
July 16th the hapless volunteer goes down to the t-shirt shop and puts
in the final order, waits for the t-shirts to be printed, and ships
them ASAP.

The t-shirts should arrive in mailboxes in time for GenCon, which is
mid to late August IIRC. If GenCon is in early August then we just
have to adjust the due dates a little bit.

Also, I think we should consider the first ballot a preliminary ballot
for purposes of providing focus. I don't think it should be considered
the final ballot in any way shape or form. If in the final ballot the
list decides that the t-shirt should be bright orange then it's bright
orange, for example :) Ditto for the Baby #s. Right now it seems that
they are desired and artists should take that into account. But if the
list changes it's mind on the final ballot then they should be
history.

-David B.
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Message no. 25
From: Manx timburke@*******.com.au
Subject: Ballot Results - The People Have Spoken!
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 04:16:48 +1000
>The t-shirts should arrive in mailboxes in time for GenCon, which is
>mid to late August IIRC. If GenCon is in early August then we just
>have to adjust the due dates a little bit.
>

Which means that anyone living outside the USA is likely
to get them sometime around Christmas/New Year.

Can you see why I'm keen to get something done now?
This list _is_ global. GenCon should not be the only
consideration with regards to timelines.

Manx
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Message no. 26
From: Adam J adamj@*********.html.com
Subject: Ballot Results - The People Have Spoken!
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 12:37:22 -0600
At 12:17 4/7/99 -0600, David Buehrer wrote:

>The t-shirts should arrive in mailboxes in time for GenCon, which is
>mid to late August IIRC. If GenCon is in early August then we just
>have to adjust the due dates a little bit.

First weekend of August, actually. I say make the voting times shorter.. if
you can't get on the net once a week to check mail, I question why you're
on ShadowRN.. :-)

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Message no. 27
From: Tim Kerby drekhead@***.net
Subject: Ballot Results - The People Have Spoken!
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:47:38 -0400
On 8 Apr 99, at 4:16, Manx wrote:

> Which means that anyone living outside the USA is likely
> to get them sometime around Christmas/New Year.

And the problem with that is? If you Aussie's were doing the shirt, I
wouldn't care to wait that long for it, if it was good. Wouldn't you
rather get a t-shirt in the summer anyway? :)

> Can you see why I'm keen to get something done now?
> This list _is_ global. GenCon should not be the only
> consideration with regards to timelines.

But it is. People who are going to GenCon (a good number) want the
list shirt to show off there, or use to find other listmembers.

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Message no. 28
From: David Buehrer dbuehrer@******.carl.org
Subject: Ballot Results - The People Have Spoken!
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:08:42 -0600 (MDT)
Tim Kerby wrote:
/
/ > Can you see why I'm keen to get something done now?
/ > This list _is_ global. GenCon should not be the only
/ > consideration with regards to timelines.
/
/ But it is. People who are going to GenCon (a good number) want the
/ list shirt to show off there, or use to find other listmembers.

And we can do what was done last year. A U.S. member can volunteer to
deliver t-shirts to the "outsiders" at GenCon. AFAIK it worked well
last year. We can easily arrange things so that everyone who is going
to GenCon can have a 99 t-shirt.

-David B.
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Message no. 29
From: David Buehrer dbuehrer@******.carl.org
Subject: Ballot Results - The People Have Spoken!
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:11:54 -0600 (MDT)
Manx wrote:
/
/ >The t-shirts should arrive in mailboxes in time for GenCon, which is
/ >mid to late August IIRC. If GenCon is in early August then we just
/ >have to adjust the due dates a little bit.
/
/ Which means that anyone living outside the USA is likely
/ to get them sometime around Christmas/New Year.

I thought mailing times across the pond didn't take more than a month
these days. Am I mistaken?

-David B.
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Message no. 30
From: David Buehrer dbuehrer@******.carl.org
Subject: Ballot Results - The People Have Spoken!
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:22:32 -0600 (MDT)
Adam J wrote:
/
/ At 12:17 4/7/99 -0600, David Buehrer wrote:
/
/ >The t-shirts should arrive in mailboxes in time for GenCon, which is
/ >mid to late August IIRC. If GenCon is in early August then we just
/ >have to adjust the due dates a little bit.
/
/ First weekend of August, actually.

Null persperation :)

Art deadline: May 15th.
Final voting begins on May 16th and ends on May 22nd.
Results of the final vote are posted on May 23rd.
T-Shirt orders are due by May 31st.
Money is due by June 30th.
The final T-Shirt order is placed on July 1st and mailed ASAP.

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Message no. 31
From: Tim Kerby drekhead@***.net
Subject: Ballot Results - The People Have Spoken!
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:31:24 -0400
On 7 Apr 99, at 13:22, David Buehrer wrote:

> Null persperation :)
>
> Art deadline: May 15th.
> Final voting begins on May 16th and ends on May 22nd.
> Results of the final vote are posted on May 23rd.
> T-Shirt orders are due by May 31st.
> Money is due by June 30th.
> The final T-Shirt order is placed on July 1st and mailed ASAP.

Sounds good to me.

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Message no. 32
From: Josh strago@***.com
Subject: Ballot Results - The People Have Spoken!
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 15:50:45 -0400
David Buehrer wrote:

> GRANITE wrote:
> /
> / So here's the new deadline 18 APR 99 all
> / artwork to be completed and online somewhere for concideration in the
> / artwork ballot.
>
> I think that April 18th is way to soon. I would be happier with a May
> 15th art deadline. Then we can start voting on the final ballot on May
> 16th and tally the results on June 1st. Give everyone until June 15th
> to put in their t-shirt order. Wait until July 15th for the money. On
> July 16th the hapless volunteer goes down to the t-shirt shop and puts
> in the final order, waits for the t-shirts to be printed, and ships
> them ASAP.
>
> The t-shirts should arrive in mailboxes in time for GenCon, which is
> mid to late August IIRC. If GenCon is in early August then we just
> have to adjust the due dates a little bit.
>
> Also, I think we should consider the first ballot a preliminary ballot
> for purposes of providing focus. I don't think it should be considered
> the final ballot in any way shape or form. If in the final ballot the
> list decides that the t-shirt should be bright orange then it's bright
> orange, for example :) Ditto for the Baby #s. Right now it seems that
> they are desired and artists should take that into account. But if the
> list changes it's mind on the final ballot then they should be
> history.
>

I too think that April 18th is too soon. However, I think it is a good goal to
have. I work on a newspaper, and I know that we shoot for being done by midnight.
However, most times it doesn't happen, either someone doesn't arrive until 8, or
something happens. So I'm used to shifting deadlines. If we say that you should TRY
to have the artwork done by the 18th, give everyone a week to vote, and then have
the ballot on the 25th of April, you give artists 16 days to do it, and then post
it somewhere. I know I'd be willing to post pictures at my Shadowrun webpage, if
people send them to me. That way, you can give people a week to vote, to May 2, a
week to order the shirts, May 9, and they can be started printing May 10. This way,
they'd probably be in the mail by May 20th (at the latest, I think. I'm not too
sure about how long it would take to do).
Strago
Message no. 33
From: Manx timburke@*******.com.au
Subject: Ballot Results - The People Have Spoken!
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 07:41:39 +1000
At 14:47 7/04/99 -0400 Tim Kerby wrote
>On 8 Apr 99, at 4:16, Manx wrote:
>
>> Which means that anyone living outside the USA is likely
>> to get them sometime around Christmas/New Year.
>
>And the problem with that is? If you Aussie's were doing the shirt, I
>wouldn't care to wait that long for it, if it was good. Wouldn't you
>rather get a t-shirt in the summer anyway? :)

Sure I'd love a Tshirt in the summer but..

>> Can you see why I'm keen to get something done now?
>> This list _is_ global. GenCon should not be the only
>> consideration with regards to timelines.
>
>But it is. People who are going to GenCon (a good number) want the
>list shirt to show off there, or use to find other listmembers.
>
>--

And that is exactly my point. What about the listmembers
that _are_ going to GenCon that live outside the USA.
Getting their shirt at Christmas/New Year hardly helps them
does it ? Doing the shirt now ensures that we all get
them in time for GenCon.

Manx
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Message no. 34
From: Manx timburke@*******.com.au
Subject: Ballot Results - The People Have Spoken!
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 07:44:12 +1000
At 13:11 7/04/99 -0600 David Buehrer wrote
>Manx wrote:
>/
>/ >The t-shirts should arrive in mailboxes in time for GenCon, which is
>/ >mid to late August IIRC. If GenCon is in early August then we just
>/ >have to adjust the due dates a little bit.
>/
>/ Which means that anyone living outside the USA is likely
>/ to get them sometime around Christmas/New Year.
>
>I thought mailing times across the pond didn't take more than a month
>these days. Am I mistaken?
>
>-David B.

One month....LOL if only...

You are very lucky to get something inside of
three months when coming from the USA.
Going to is _alot_ quicker.

The last thing that I had sent from Seattle
took 14 weeks.

Manx
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Message no. 35
From: Manx timburke@*******.com.au
Subject: Ballot Results - The People Have Spoken!
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 07:55:31 +1000
>Null persperation :)
>
>Art deadline: May 15th.
>Final voting begins on May 16th and ends on May 22nd.
>Results of the final vote are posted on May 23rd.
>T-Shirt orders are due by May 31st.
>Money is due by June 30th.
>The final T-Shirt order is placed on July 1st and mailed ASAP.
>
>-David B.

This timeframe sounds reasonable to me but a few questions first.

1) Who is looking after the ballot?

2) Can someone place the RULES of the ballot
somewhere prominent so that there is NO CORRESPONDENCE
entered into about it's administration and that noone can
complain about it.

3) How can the integrity of this ballot be guarenteed?
What's stopping a few vocal listmembers invalidating this vote as well?

The last thing that we need is the damned 2056 election.
Shouldn't this whole drama be listed under "Life imitates game"?

Maybe not popular questions but certainly vaild I feel.

Manx
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Message no. 36
From: Robert Watkins robert.watkins@******.com
Subject: Ballot Results - The People Have Spoken!
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:07:53 +1000
Tim Burke writes:
> >The t-shirts should arrive in mailboxes in time for GenCon, which is
> >mid to late August IIRC. If GenCon is in early August then we just
> >have to adjust the due dates a little bit.
> >
>
> Which means that anyone living outside the USA is likely
> to get them sometime around Christmas/New Year.

Only if K mails them... ;)

Seriously, surface mail times is a few weeks, not a few months. You'll get
it within two months, at most.

(Speaking as someone who regularly gets stuff posted to him surface mail
from the States)

> Can you see why I'm keen to get something done now?
> This list _is_ global. GenCon should not be the only
> consideration with regards to timelines.

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Message no. 37
From: Patrick Goodman remo@***.net
Subject: Ballot Results - The People Have Spoken!
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 20:56:15 -0500
>/ First weekend of August, actually.
>
>Null persperation :)
>
>Art deadline: May 15th.
>Final voting begins on May 16th and ends on May 22nd.
>Results of the final vote are posted on May 23rd.
>T-Shirt orders are due by May 31st.
>Money is due by June 30th.
>The final T-Shirt order is placed on July 1st and mailed ASAP.

Now this I can live with.

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Message no. 38
From: Lady Jestyr jestyr@*********.html.com
Subject: Ballot Results - The People Have Spoken!
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 15:47:26 +1000
>/ >The t-shirts should arrive in mailboxes in time for GenCon, which is
>/ >mid to late August IIRC. If GenCon is in early August then we just
>/ >have to adjust the due dates a little bit.
>/
>/ Which means that anyone living outside the USA is likely
>/ to get them sometime around Christmas/New Year.
>
>I thought mailing times across the pond didn't take more than a month
>these days. Am I mistaken?

To Australia, anything less than 10-12 weeks is *fast*. I don't care what
UPS websites or anything else say; everything I have ever had sent from the
states (other than airmail, which is prohibitively expensive) has taken at
LEAST two months.

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Message no. 39
From: XaOs [David Goth] xaos@*****.net
Subject: Ballot Results - The People Have Spoken!
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 00:54:03 -0500
> To Australia, anything less than 10-12 weeks is *fast*. I don't care what
> UPS websites or anything else say; everything I have ever had
> sent from the
> states (other than airmail, which is prohibitively expensive) has taken at
> LEAST two months.

Talk to Tim (Manx) then. If I recall correctly, he got his copy of UB from
me relatively quickly (any delays were likely my fault. I don't remember how
prompt I was in getting it to the post office).

Please do not totally discount the site I gave in the other thread. It *is*
accurate. 10 to 12 weeks is outrageous when compared to what happened in
actual practice. Those prices, frankly, are not prohibitively expensive. In
fact, the airmail prices were generally only a few dollars over surface.



-XaOs-
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Message no. 40
From: XaOs [David Goth] xaos@*****.net
Subject: Ballot Results - The People Have Spoken!
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 01:01:12 -0500
> To Australia, anything less than 10-12 weeks is *fast*. I don't care what
> UPS websites or anything else say; everything I have ever had
> sent from the
> states (other than airmail, which is prohibitively expensive) has taken at
> LEAST two months.

Again, if you did miss it, here's the quote (1 pound weight used in
calculation):

Small Packets - Airmail : 4 - 7 Days : $9.25 : Max. length 24", max. length
plus girth 36"

A t-shirt will easily fit those dimensions.

Tim and I used:

Global Priority Mail - Flat-rate Envelope (large) : 3 - 5 Days : $8.95 :
9-1/2" x 12-1/2"

...to ship a copy of Universal Brotherhood. The number of days *is*
relatively accurate, and was off by no more than one week. (Probably closer
to just a couple of days off).

Here's the link to the calculator again: http://ircalc.usps.gov

Surface mail was not that much cheaper than the air prices. (I hope this
message comes off correctly as clarification, not argumentation).



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Message no. 41
From: chimerae@***.ie chimerae@***.ie
Subject: Ballot Results - The People Have Spoken!
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:00:51 +0100
and thus did David Buehrer speak on 7 Apr 99, at 13:11:

> I thought mailing times across the pond didn't take more than a month
> these days. Am I mistaken?

I don't know about the rest of the world, but for Europe it's about 6-8
weeks by surface mail.

Come to think of it, they probably chuck them in the same rowing
boats the Hollywood guys use to bring the movies over here >:( .

Martin
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Phantom Menace here?! &*%^$£!!!" *
Message no. 42
From: chimerae@***.ie chimerae@***.ie
Subject: Ballot Results - The People Have Spoken!
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:00:51 +0100
<color><param>0100,0100,0100</param><FontFamily><param>Helvetica</param><bigger>I
didn't see this pop up before, but about the name list on the back.

My 1995 or 6 t-shirt had the following lay-out:

name "nickname" lastname, e-mail.


So I gather that for this year it's going to be


name "nickname" lastname, e-mail, baby number ( / fake baby number
:)</color>


Since I prefer a minimalistic approach myself, plus it must be hell to fit a big
combo into the design how about this:


name "nickname" lastname, [baby no]


or even better:


nickname or name, [baby no]


I prefer to get rid of the baby number too, purely for esthetics. But since most
people want it on the shirt, I will respect that.


Just a suggestion, if it's too late for this, feel free to ignore,



<nofill>
Martin Steffens
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Message no. 43
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: Ballot Results - The People Have Spoken!
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 11:26:25 +0200
According to David Buehrer, at 13:11 on 7 Apr 99, the word on
the street was...

> / Which means that anyone living outside the USA is likely
> / to get them sometime around Christmas/New Year.
>
> I thought mailing times across the pond didn't take more than a month
> these days. Am I mistaken?

That depends. It can take up to two months at least, by surface mail.
Airmail I don't know about, but it *should* be faster (still, from the US
you never know...).

BTW, another thing to keep in mind is that it may be a good idea to mark
the shirts as either gifts or merchandise samples, to avoid import duties.
(This can be quite a hassle and a lot of money, a relative of mine
experienced recently.)

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Message no. 44
From: Lady Jestyr jestyr@*********.html.com
Subject: Ballot Results - The People Have Spoken!
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 21:55:13 +1000
>Martin
>* "What?! I have to wait how much longer before we get to see
>Phantom Menace here?! &*%^$£!!!" *

For us here in Aus, release date is June 3rd - only 15 days after US
release. Saw the preview tonight before The Matrix... on the topic of
which... ohmigod *drool*

It's been a long time since a 'populist' movie provoked that much thought
in me - last one was 'Contact', actually. Hot damn The Matrix was a good
movie. Gave me a kick in the teeth about adding spark to Matrix scenes in
SR, too.

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Message no. 45
From: A Halliwell u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk
Subject: Ballot Results - The People Have Spoken!
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 23:56:49 +0100 (BST)
And verily, did Lady Jestyr hastily scribble thusly...
|
|
|>Martin
|>* "What?! I have to wait how much longer before we get to see
|>Phantom Menace here?! &*%^$£!!!" *
|
|For us here in Aus, release date is June 3rd - only 15 days after US
|release.

What the **** is going on here???
We don't get the damned film until July or August!

I can't believe a backwater like aussieland gets it before the centre of the
universe(UK).

*>sulk*<

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Message no. 46
From: Robert Watkins robert.watkins@******.com
Subject: Ballot Results - The People Have Spoken!
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:05:48 +1000
Andrew Halliwell writes:
> |>* "What?! I have to wait how much longer before we get to see
> |>Phantom Menace here?! &*%^$£!!!" *
> |
> |For us here in Aus, release date is June 3rd - only 15 days after US
> |release.
>
> What the **** is going on here???
> We don't get the damned film until July or August!
>
> I can't believe a backwater like aussieland gets it before the
> centre of the
> universe(UK).

While I could take offence at the backwater comment (we're more like a
sidewater, not a backwater), I thought SW:TPM was being released in JULY in
Australia.

If it's June, I'll be happier... I'm sure my wife would prefer to take me to
see it as a birthday event, rather than an anniversary event.

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Message no. 47
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Ballot Results - The People Have Spoken!
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 00:57:20 EDT
In a message dated 4/7/1999 9:31:59 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
emeottrw@***.umn.edu writes:

> On Wed, 7 Apr 1999 Airwasp@***.com wrote:
>
> > On roughly the same topic, but a little different, only 38 people have
> done
> > anything with the RN Shirt survey on HHH to get information to begin
> getting
> > a basis for cost, colors, and things of that nature.

OKAY!!! So I was wrong in that other post...!!! So SUE ME!!! ;-PPPPP

-K
Message no. 48
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: Ballot Results - The People Have Spoken!
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:51:43 +0200
According to A Halliwell, at 23:56 on 8 Apr 99, the word on
the street was...

> |>* "What?! I have to wait how much longer before we get to see
> |>Phantom Menace here?! &*%^$£!!!" *
> |
> |For us here in Aus, release date is June 3rd - only 15 days after US
> |release.
>
> What the **** is going on here???
> We don't get the damned film until July or August!

Count yourself lucky, the UK usually gets new movies up to several months
before the rest of Europe. The Phantom Menace opens on 30 September, here,
for example... (Which, BTW, means I'll go and find a movie theater this
summer when I'm in the US for GenCon.)

> I can't believe a backwater like aussieland gets it before the centre of the
> universe(UK).
>
> *>sulk*<

What I've long wondered about is why movies have different release dates
in different countries in the first place. What's wrong with opening in
the same week (or even on the same day) all over the world?

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