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From:	Simon Fuller sfuller@******.com.au
Subject:	censorship
Date:	Thu, 2 Mar 2000 11:05:54 +1100

Message no. 1 -----Original Message-----
From: Tzeentch <tzeentch666@*********.net>
To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
Date: Thursday, March 02, 2000 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [ADMIN] RE: insiders: cannon companion due?

><INSANE AMOUNTS OF SNIPPING!!>
>
>Hey, I'll be blunt here - I can't STAND censorship, especially censorship
>thinly veiled as "for our own good."
>
>When Subversive Agent was banned then every one of his posts retroactively
>deleted I pretty much lost any sort of good feeling about the DR forums.
>When I see threads on ShadowRN closed "for our own" good I feel the same
>way. I still contribute, but that's mainly because where else can I go? I
>sure don't feel that these forums are sounding boards for new ideas
>anymore - that I should make clear.
>
>I'm almost sad to see things end up this way. So much for the internet
being
>a forum where everyone can be heard eh? It's a joke, and the worst part is
I
>can't even bring myself to get overly excited about it.
>
>"Big deal, we're in charge and we do x ,y, and z for the community.." etc
>etc. Whatever. It's very depressing in a way that only the death of
>creativity can be though. It won't stop of course, and I see plenty of
>killed threads and banned persons here and in DR in the future. But I feel
I
>should at least speak my mind while I can. BEcause hey, you never know when
>you'll find I'm the one who is banned on DR, has ever post deleted, or no
>longer is subscribed to ShadowRN. Maybe you'll be next. Cliche? Doubtful.
>
><shrug> I probably won't respond to comments to this BTW.
>
>Thanks,
>Ken
>
How about the thread being stopped for my good? I'm here for Shadowrun, not
Mike Mulvihil. It is interesting to see what others think on a subject, but
it is not interesting to wade through hundreds of emails about why <edgy
username A> thinks <edgy username B> is wrong. It took a few minutes to
download this morning's emails, and they were almost all on the same
subject. There were a few voices of reason, but they were lost in the
shouting. I am against censorship on the whole, but guidelines are needed. I
have no idea who subversive agent is or was, and I don't subscribe to that
list anyway, but I do know that it doesn't make my games on a Monday
afternoon any better, and that's why I'm here.
Please, keep it manapunk.
-Simon, being slightly hypocritical.

From:	Deirdre M. Brooks xenya@********.com
Subject:	Censorship
Date:	Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:44:43 -0700

Message no. 2 dbuehrer@******.carl.org wrote:
>
> Strago wrote:
> >"Deirdre M. Brooks" wrote:
> >
> > > Strago wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I was about to suggest the same thing myself, even though it smacks of
> > > > censorship. But anyway, that's for another time and place...
> > > <SNIP>
> > > Technically speaking, asking that a thread stop is GRIDSEC's job, but
> > > otherwise...killing a thread isn't censorship.
> >
> >Actually, I was referring to the fact that we could no longer talk about
> >that topic. That sounds kinda like censorship. As you say, killing threads
> >is their job. But killing a thread which has degenerated into a heated
> >argument and saying "No, you can't talk about this" are two totally
> >different things, IMO.
>
> Please re-read Dvixen's post. She didn't say "you can't talk about this".

In fact, if someone had felt up to it, he or she could have created a
list on eGroups for discussion of the very topic (what is art?) and
invited interested parties to join.

This is not censorship. :-)

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