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Message no. 1
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Charisma and Hitler as well as other people (way OT)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 11:21:02 +0100
Tobias Berghoff said on 14:12/ 8 Oct 97...

> Well, I'm not so sure about this. At least I would say, that if you look
> disgusting, it's a lot harder to be charismatic.

I don't think anyone in this discussion has mentioned a certain factor
we're all dealing with: email. Whether you like or dislike someone on this
list is entirely based on the way they post; sure, some listmembers have
pictures of themselves up on their web pages, but not everyone checks
those out. As long as nobody can see you, they're not going to be
prejudiced toward you based on the way you look, only on the way you
present yourself on the list. IMHO that has a lot to do with charisma as
well.

> Oh yeah. The Propaganda-Ministerium (good name :)) was one BIG
> organisation. They even made sure every German had a radio, so they could
> all hear Hitlers speeches.

Yeah, they got those radios from occupied countries -- two good things at
once: all Germans can listen to Hitler, and all people in the occupied
countries couldn't listen to resistance broadcasts from England anymore...

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Message no. 2
From: Tobias Berghoff <Zixx@*****.TEUTO.DE>
Subject: Re: Charisma and Hitler as well as other people (way OT)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 13:00:00 GMT
on 09.10.97 gurth@******.NL wrote:

g> > Well, I'm not so sure about this. At least I would say, that if you look
g> > disgusting, it's a lot harder to be charismatic.
g>
g> I don't think anyone in this discussion has mentioned a certain factor
g> we're all dealing with: email.

Erm, Gurth? I don't remember anything about Hitler useing e-mail...:)

g> Whether you like or dislike someone on this
g> list is entirely based on the way they post; sure, some listmembers have
g> pictures of themselves up on their web pages, but not everyone checks
g> those out. As long as nobody can see you, they're not going to be
g> prejudiced toward you based on the way you look, only on the way you
g> present yourself on the list. IMHO that has a lot to do with charisma as
g> well.

Sure, but that doesn't apply to Hitler (or politicians in general). They
*did* see him.

g>
g> > Oh yeah. The Propaganda-Ministerium (good name :)) was one BIG
g> > organisation. They even made sure every German had a radio, so they could
g> > all hear Hitlers speeches.
g>
g> Yeah, they got those radios from occupied countries -- two good things at
g> once: all Germans can listen to Hitler, and all people in the occupied
g> countries couldn't listen to resistance broadcasts from England anymore...

Smooth move, don't you think? (Sometimes I'm not sure if I should vomit or
laugh, when I talk about this stuff)



Tobias Berghoff a.k.a Zixx a.k.a. Charon, your friendly werepanther physad.

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Message no. 3
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Charisma and Hitler as well as other people (way OT)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 20:22:31 +0100
Tobias Berghoff said on 13:00/10 Oct 97...

> g> I don't think anyone in this discussion has mentioned a certain factor
> g> we're all dealing with: email.
>
> Erm, Gurth? I don't remember anything about Hitler useing e-mail...:)

That's not what I meant -- this got started as a charisma debate, and then
Hitler was brought in as an example of some weirdo who nonetheless seemed
to have/totally did not have (delete as appropriate to your point of view)
a huge charisma. I was trying to bring it back to the original by saying
that some people may be really cool through email, but if you were to meet
them IRL you might not want to have anything to do with, because then you
get to look at them as well as (or instead of) their writing.

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Message no. 4
From: Mon goose <landsquid@*******.COM>
Subject: Fwd: Re: Charisma and Hitler as well as other people (way OT)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 18:10:31 PDT
>> g> I don't think anyone in this discussion has mentioned a certain
factor
>> g> we're all dealing with: email.
>>
> I was trying to bring it back to the original by saying
>that some people may be really cool through email, but if you were to
>meet them IRL you might not want to have anything to do with, because
>then youget to look at them as well as (or instead of) their writing.

What this really brings up is the difference between things like "matrix
ettiquette" (specialization ShadowRN :) and charisma. Or, more
genarally, social skills and charisma.

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Message no. 5
From: Tobias Berghoff <Zixx@*****.TEUTO.DE>
Subject: Re: Charisma and Hitler as well as other people (way OT)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 18:54:00 GMT
on 11.10.97 gurth@******.NL wrote:

g> > g> I don't think anyone in this discussion has mentioned a certain factor
g> > g> we're all dealing with: email.
g> >
g> > Erm, Gurth? I don't remember anything about Hitler useing e-mail...:)
g>
g> That's not what I meant

I know.

g> -- this got started as a charisma debate, and then
g> Hitler was brought in as an example of some weirdo who nonetheless seemed
g> to have/totally did not have (delete as appropriate to your point of view)
g> a huge charisma.

I can't remember what is right, so whatever....

g> I was trying to bring it back to the original by saying
g> that some people may be really cool through email, but if you were to meet
g> them IRL you might not want to have anything to do with, because then you
g> get to look at them as well as (or instead of) their writing.

So true....(speaking from more experience than I want to have)



Tobias Berghoff a.k.a Zixx a.k.a. Charon, your friendly werepanther physad.

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