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Message no. 1
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Darren Gilliver)
Subject: cybertasers and smartlinks
Date: Sat Mar 31 11:15:01 2001
Hey guys.

After reading r.talsorians cybergeneration this weekend (thanks phil,you too wavy) i've
been thinking about cybertasers,just like the bolters have in cybergen (that is a
cybertaser in each arm that fires from the base of the hand)
However,being the big munchkin I am I didn't want any old cybertaser,oh no I wanted mine
to be smartlinked.
It's here I find my problem,there seem to be a few different ways to do this and I was
wondering witch one is "right" from a rules standpoint.

Method one.
I get the tasers installed and use a router with two non-headware ports(for the tasers)
and one headware port(for the smartlink) and use that to get them to "talk" to
each other.

Method two.
I get the tasers installed and get a datajack at the same time,as data jacks come with
five ports,I can use the remaining three(two are taken up by the connection to the braion
and the "jack" plug)to connect my smartlink and my two tasers to the datajack
and get them too "talk" that way.

method three.
i pay double cost for the tasers and get them internally smartlinked as they are
installed.

Of these i prefer the datajack option because it just seems more high tech to me and im
always up for new gadgets.

So do any of these look wrong?

Darren,kobold master chef.


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Message no. 2
From: shadowrn@*********.com (M.S. "Herc" Bobroff)
Subject: cybertasers and smartlinks
Date: Sat Mar 31 12:45:00 2001
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darren Gilliver" <Darius@**********.every1.net>


> Hey guys.
>
> After reading r.talsorians cybergeneration this weekend (thanks phil,you
too wavy) i've been thinking about cybertasers,just like the bolters have in
cybergen (that is a cybertaser in each arm that fires from the base of the
hand)
> However,being the big munchkin I am I didn't want any old cybertaser,oh no
I wanted mine to be smartlinked.
> It's here I find my problem,there seem to be a few different ways to do
this and I was wondering witch one is "right" from a rules standpoint.
>
> Method one.
> I get the tasers installed and use a router with two non-headware
ports(for the tasers) and one headware port(for the smartlink) and use that
to get them to "talk" to each other.

This option, IMO, is the one I would use. You will still need to
'smartlink' both of the tasers though.

> Method two.
> I get the tasers installed and get a datajack at the same time,as data
jacks come with five ports,I can use the remaining three(two are taken up by
the connection to the braion and the "jack" plug)to connect my smartlink and
my two tasers to the datajack and get them too "talk" that way.
>

This method would increase the number of datajacks you would have. Each
datajack only loses the use of two of it's ports. One port from each goes
to the smartlink processor. The other port can connect to your 'primary
datajack', which would also allow both datajacks to communicate with each
other also.

> So do any of these look wrong?

None of them look wrong except for the third, which has to be done anyway.
A note, if the tasers are installed in cyberlimbs you may have to (I don't
remember right now and am too lazy to scope out the M&M) attach DNI to both
of the tasers.

-Mike
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Message no. 3
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Darren Gilliver)
Subject: cybertasers and smartlinks
Date: Sat Mar 31 17:15:06 2001
--- "M.S. \"Herc\" Bobroff" <airwisp@******************.com>
> wrote:
<snip!>
>> Method one.
>> I get the tasers installed and use a router with two non-headware
>ports(for the tasers) and one headware port(for the smartlink) and use that
>to get them to "talk" to each other.
>
>This option, IMO, is the one I would use. You will still need to
>'smartlink' both of the tasers though.

see,this is the munchkin half I was talking about,should have worked that out myself.

>> Method two.
>> I get the tasers installed and get a datajack at the same time,as data
>jacks come with five ports,I can use the remaining three(two are taken up by
>the connection to the braion and the "jack" plug)to connect my smartlink and
>my two tasers to the datajack and get them too "talk" that way.
>>
>
>This method would increase the number of datajacks you would have. Each
>datajack only loses the use of two of it's ports. One port from each goes
>to the smartlink processor. The other port can connect to your 'primary
>datajack', which would also allow both datajacks to communicate with each
>other also.

Yeah, i kinda figured that,but i don't have any datajacks yet and i was looking for a way
to do it witout filling my head with too many plugs.(Alias is a razor-boy after all)

>A note, if the tasers are installed in cyberlimbs you may have to (I don't
>remember right now and am too lazy to scope out the M&M) attach DNI to both
>of the tasers.

Nah,there cybertasers so they can be cybernetically controlled already.

Darren,kobold master chef.

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Message no. 4
From: shadowrn@*********.com (M.S. "Herc" Bobroff)
Subject: cybertasers and smartlinks
Date: Sat Mar 31 21:00:01 2001
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darren Gilliver" <Darius@**********.every1.net>


> --- "M.S. \"Herc\" Bobroff"
<airwisp@******************.com>
> > wrote:

> >> Method one.
> >> I get the tasers installed and use a router with two non-headware
> >ports(for the tasers) and one headware port(for the smartlink) and use
that
> >to get them to "talk" to each other.
> >
> >This option, IMO, is the one I would use. You will still need to
> >'smartlink' both of the tasers though.
>
> see,this is the munchkin half I was talking about,should have worked that
out myself.

No, that is not the munchkin half of it ... if you want a weapon to be
smartlink compatible you need to put a smartlink in/on the weapon.

> >> Method two.
> >> I get the tasers installed and get a datajack at the same time,as data
> >jacks come with five ports,I can use the remaining three(two are taken up
by
> >the connection to the braion and the "jack" plug)to connect my
smartlink
and
> >my two tasers to the datajack and get them too "talk" that way.
> >>
> >
> >This method would increase the number of datajacks you would have. Each
> >datajack only loses the use of two of it's ports. One port from each
goes
> >to the smartlink processor. The other port can connect to your 'primary
> >datajack', which would also allow both datajacks to communicate with each
> >other also.
>
> Yeah, i kinda figured that,but i don't have any datajacks yet and i was
looking for a way to do it witout filling my head with too many plugs.(Alias
is a razor-boy after all)
>

Then what you could do is get a router hub (IIRC) and run a pair of routers
to each of the tasers and then they connect to the smartlink processor via
another router running from the same hub.

-Mike
Message no. 5
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Sebastian Wiers)
Subject: cybertasers and smartlinks
Date: Sun Apr 1 00:50:00 2001
>Method one.
>I get the tasers installed and use a router with two non-headware ports(for
the tasers) and one headware port(for the smartlink) and use that to get
them to "talk" to each other.

Valid

>Method two.
>I get the tasers installed and get a datajack at the same time,as data
jacks come with five ports,I can use the remaining three(two are taken up by
the connection to the braion and the "jack" plug)to connect my smartlink and
my two tasers to the datajack and get them too "talk" that way.

Equally valid. In fact, the two are equivalent- the ports are the same,
regardless of source.

>method three.
>i pay double cost for the tasers and get them internally smartlinked as
they are installed.

I don't think this is automatically valid, since theres no way for the data
exchange to happen- the normal induction pad is not being used, so you need
some other route for the data. I'm not sure its nescessarily wrong, just
not as right.

>Of these i prefer the datajack option because it just seems more high tech
to me and im always up for new gadgets.
>
>So do any of these look wrong?

No, and the first two methods could save you some essence if you wanted to
get the smartlink without an induction pad. With the second, you could
still use other guns, you would just need to "jack" them, instead of using a
pad, or get some sort of glove mounted induction loop that could plug into
your datajack.

-Mongoose
Message no. 6
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Darren Gilliver)
Subject: cybertasers and smartlinks
Date: Sun Apr 1 14:45:01 2001
--- "M.S. \"Herc\" Bobroff" <airwisp@******************.com>
> wrote:

>> Yeah, i kinda figured that,but i don't have any datajacks yet and i was
>looking for a way to do it witout filling my head with too many plugs.(Alias
>is a razor-boy after all)
>>
>
>Then what you could do is get a router hub (IIRC) and run a pair of routers
>to each of the tasers and then they connect to the smartlink processor via
>another router running from the same hub.

Im not sure what your talking about here,router hubs?,never heard of them.

Darren,kobold master chef.

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Message no. 7
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Darren Gilliver)
Subject: cybertasers and smartlinks
Date: Sun Apr 1 14:50:01 2001
--- "Sebastian Wiers" <m0ng005e@*****.com>
> wrote:
>>Method one.
>>I get the tasers installed and use a router with two non-headware ports(for
>the tasers) and one headware port(for the smartlink) and use that to get
>them to "talk" to each other.
>
>Valid
>
>>Method two.
>>I get the tasers installed and get a datajack at the same time,as data
>jacks come with five ports,I can use the remaining three(two are taken up by
>the connection to the braion and the "jack" plug)to connect my smartlink and
>my two tasers to the datajack and get them too "talk" that way.
>
>Equally valid. In fact, the two are equivalent- the ports are the same,
>regardless of source.
>
>>method three.
>>i pay double cost for the tasers and get them internally smartlinked as
>they are installed.
>
>I don't think this is automatically valid, since theres no way for the data
>exchange to happen- the normal induction pad is not being used, so you need
>some other route for the data. I'm not sure its nescessarily wrong, just
>not as right.

Yeah,i've kinda figured that although the different systems can communicate with each
other,the tasers still need to be smartlinked,just because you have a smartlink dosen't
mean that your guns are equiped to use it. so the real answer is a combitation of these
methods.

>>Of these i prefer the datajack option because it just seems more high tech
>to me and im always up for new gadgets.
>>
>>So do any of these look wrong?
>
>No, and the first two methods could save you some essence if you wanted to
>get the smartlink without an induction pad. With the second, you could
>still use other guns, you would just need to "jack" them, instead of using a
>pad, or get some sort of glove mounted induction loop that could plug into
>your datajack.

yeah,i've been thinking about these as well(smartgloves?),Anyone have an idea of how much
they should cost,do you still count the smartlink as wholely cybernetic if you use
something like this?

Darren,kobold master chef.


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Message no. 8
From: shadowrn@*********.com (M.S. "Herc" Bobroff)
Subject: cybertasers and smartlinks
Date: Sun Apr 1 18:10:01 2001
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darren Gilliver" <Darius@**********.every1.net>


> >Then what you could do is get a router hub (IIRC) and run a pair of
routers
> >to each of the tasers and then they connect to the smartlink processor
via
> >another router running from the same hub.
>
> Im not sure what your talking about here,router hubs?,never heard of them.

Okay, looking at M&M, on page 22 is the information on Routers.

And now that I am reading more into it, the idea of placing a router
connection to the smartlinks in the arms needs to be accomplished with DNI
interfaces and those could connect to a Router.

-Mike
Message no. 9
From: shadowrn@*********.com (shadowrn@*********.com)
Subject: cybertasers and smartlinks
Date: Sun Apr 1 21:40:01 2001
>Nah,there cybertasers so they can be cybernetically controlled already.
>
>Darren,kobold master chef.

I point you to pg 36 M&M "Equipment capacity cost table"

A cyber taser is listed as needing a DNI to be cybernetically controlled.
Otherwise you still have to pull the trigger manually! :)

Big Q
Message no. 10
From: shadowrn@*********.com (leafsplace)
Subject: cybertasers and smartlinks
Date: Mon Apr 2 02:55:00 2001
Can some one help me get off of this list?

Dwayne
shadows@**********.com

At 09:40 PM 4/1/01 Sunday -0400, you wrote:
> >Nah,there cybertasers so they can be cybernetically controlled already.
> >
> >Darren,kobold master chef.
>
>I point you to pg 36 M&M "Equipment capacity cost table"
>
>A cyber taser is listed as needing a DNI to be cybernetically controlled.
>Otherwise you still have to pull the trigger manually! :)
>
>Big Q
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From: shadowrn@*********.com (Adam J)
Subject: cybertasers and smartlinks
Date: Mon Apr 2 03:05:02 2001
At 23:51 01/04/2001, leafsplace wrote:
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Message no. 12
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Darren Gilliver)
Subject: cybertasers and smartlinks
Date: Mon Apr 2 06:45:00 2001
--- "M.S. \"Herc\" Bobroff" <airwisp@******************.com>
> wrote:
>Okay, looking at M&M, on page 22 is the information on Routers.
>
>And now that I am reading more into it, the idea of placing a router
>connection to the smartlinks in the arms needs to be accomplished with DNI
>interfaces and those could connect to a Router.

Hmmmm, that dosen't sound quite right to me.What im talking about doing is bypassing the
induction pad and linking the tasers directly to the smartlink prossecor. Since im useing
cybertasers and not customiseing a regular taser for cybernetic use i din't see how i
would need another dni either.

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Message no. 13
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Darren Gilliver)
Subject: cybertasers and smartlinks
Date: Mon Apr 2 06:50:01 2001
--- Trollrunner@***.com
> wrote:
>>Nah,there cybertasers so they can be cybernetically controlled already.
>>
>>Darren,kobold master chef.
>
>I point you to pg 36 M&M "Equipment capacity cost table"
>
>A cyber taser is listed as needing a DNI to be cybernetically controlled.
>Otherwise you still have to pull the trigger manually! :)

true,but this is refering to implaning into a cyberarm,not a meat arm.
Putting it into a cyberarm takes up space but no essence,putting it into a meat arm costs
a little essence,This is because all cyberware comes with a dni,the only reason you need a
dni for cyberarm equiptment like this is because its built into the caseing or frame of
the cyberarm(or leg for that matter) and this does notnessesarily mean it is dni
controlled.

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Message no. 14
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Darren Gilliver)
Subject: cybertasers and smartlinks
Date: Mon Apr 2 06:55:01 2001
--- Darren Gilliver <Darius@**********.every1.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>--- "M.S. \"Herc\" Bobroff" <airwisp@******************.com>
>> wrote:
>>Okay, looking at M&M, on page 22 is the information on Routers.
>>
>>And now that I am reading more into it, the idea of placing a router
>>connection to the smartlinks in the arms needs to be accomplished with DNI
>>interfaces and those could connect to a Router.
>
>Hmmmm, that dosen't sound quite right to me.What im talking about doing is bypassing
the induction pad and linking the tasers directly to the smartlink prossecor. Since im
useing cybertasers and not customiseing a regular taser for cybernetic use i din't see how
i would need another dni either.

I should probably also state that i am not putting these tasers into cyberlimbs,just a
pair of normal,factory guarenteed,meat arms.

Darren,kobold master chef

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Message no. 15
From: shadowrn@*********.com (M.S. "Herc" Bobroff)
Subject: cybertasers and smartlinks
Date: Mon Apr 2 11:05:01 2001
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darren Gilliver" <Darius@**********.every1.net>


> --- "M.S. \"Herc\" Bobroff"
<airwisp@******************.com>
> > wrote:
> >Okay, looking at M&M, on page 22 is the information on Routers.
> >
> >And now that I am reading more into it, the idea of placing a router
> >connection to the smartlinks in the arms needs to be accomplished with
DNI
> >interfaces and those could connect to a Router.
>
> Hmmmm, that dosen't sound quite right to me.What im talking about doing is
bypassing the induction pad and linking the tasers directly to the smartlink
prossecor. Since im useing cybertasers and not customiseing a regular taser
for cybernetic use i din't see how i would need another dni either.
>

In other words the smartlink system in the pc is only going to work for the
tasers then?

If the smartlink is directly linked in this way then yes, there is no need
for a DNI.

However, if the tasers are not directly linked then you will still need to
get DNI added onto both weapons so they can connect to the smartlink
processor. The reason I am saying they need to be DNI'd is that the tasers
are considered to be equipment in the arm. As the description for DNI
(pp.38 of M&M) goes "is a device that links the a user's brain to a
specially modified piece of equipment in order for that piece of equipment
to be cybernetically controlled.

Hope this helps,
-Mike
Message no. 16
From: shadowrn@*********.com (M.S. "Herc" Bobroff)
Subject: cybertasers and smartlinks
Date: Mon Apr 2 11:10:01 2001
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darren Gilliver" <Darius@**********.every1.net>


> >Hmmmm, that dosen't sound quite right to me.What im talking about doing
is bypassing the induction pad and linking the tasers directly to the
smartlink prossecor. Since im useing cybertasers and not customiseing a
regular taser for cybernetic use i din't see how i would need another dni
either.
>
> I should probably also state that i am not putting these tasers into
cyberlimbs,just a pair of normal,factory guarenteed,meat arms.

I agree, this does change everything. Doing this would mean the weapons
would already have DNI.

Thanks,
-Mike
Message no. 17
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Darren Gilliver)
Subject: cybertasers and smartlinks
Date: Mon Apr 2 14:25:00 2001
--- "M.S. \"Herc\" Bobroff" <airwisp@******************.com>
> wrote:
>In other words the smartlink system in the pc is only going to work for the
>tasers then?

No, i still plan to have the induction pads fitted if I use the router method,or I might
use the datajack method in witch case I can jack any other gun I might use.

>However, if the tasers are not directly linked then you will still need to
>get DNI added onto both weapons so they can connect to the smartlink
>processor. The reason I am saying they need to be DNI'd is that the tasers
>are considered to be equipment in the arm. As the description for DNI
>(pp.38 of M&M) goes "is a device that links the a user's brain to a
>specially modified piece of equipment in order for that piece of equipment
>to be cybernetically controlled.

Yeah,but I always find cyberlimbs to be Ugly or very little use except for replaceing a
lost arm or leg (granted theres quickness and strength bonuses but on the whole I prefer a
meat arm over a cyberlimb anyday)

>Hope this helps,

Yes it does.

Darren,kobold master chef.

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