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Message no. 1
From: caelric@****.com caelric@****.com
Subject: Decker Mage was Re: A Van...
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 18:41:05 -0700
>I've played a decker mage before, but he ended up on the path of Burnout. I
>can't even imagine playing a rigger-mage (though I've played an NPC as a GM
>who was one... he got geeked HARD during that particular run). Sorry... just
>my rant on power gamers. I'm sorry you have to deal with one (thank
>goodness the guys in my gaming group are roleplayers).

Deckers don't need alot of cyberware. A data jack is the only necessary
thing. A math spu would be nice, along with some headware memory, but not
required. Heck, the datajack is not technically required, although that
would make for a somewhat slow decker.

A basic combat decker/mage can be made with boosted reflexes 1, smartlink,
and a datajack. With alphaware, which is not too extraordinary, that is
only .96 essence. This leaves 5 for magic.....

Of course, it's the skill areas that you start hurting for points.
Computer, computer b/r, conjuring, sorcery...... How many skill points do
you have left...;)

Dave
Message no. 2
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: Decker Mage was Re: A Van...
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 12:08:25 +0200
According to caelric@****.com, at 18:41 on 30 May 00, the word on the
street was...

> Deckers don't need alot of cyberware. A data jack is the only necessary
> thing. A math spu would be nice, along with some headware memory, but not
> required.

Although virtually all deckers seem to have it (including mine), I have
never actually found much use for headware memory in the game, except for
copying the contents of skillsofts into... Am I missing something here?

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Message no. 3
From: Iridios iridios@*****.com
Subject: Decker Mage was Re: A Van...
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 07:22:53 -0400
Gurth wrote:
>
> According to caelric@****.com, at 18:41 on 30 May 00, the word on the
> street was...
>
> > Deckers don't need alot of cyberware. A data jack is the only necessary
> > thing. A math spu would be nice, along with some headware memory, but not
> > required.
>
> Although virtually all deckers seem to have it (including mine), I have
> never actually found much use for headware memory in the game, except for
> copying the contents of skillsofts into... Am I missing something here?

Sure. If a decker is using a "disposable" deck, he can download his
target info into his headware memory and walk out with nothing more
than a datajack. Throw on a maintainance workers uniform, 5 o'clock
shadow, pushing a mop bucket, and using a fairly well forged ID and
you should be able to stroll right past security. Hopefully.

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Message no. 4
From: Manolis Skoulikas great_worm@*****.com
Subject: Decker Mage was Re: A Van...
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 01:26:39 +0300
Iridios wrote:

> Sure. If a decker is using a "disposable" deck, he can download his
> target info into his headware memory and walk out with nothing more
> than a datajack. Throw on a maintainance workers uniform, 5 o'clock
> shadow, pushing a mop bucket, and using a fairly well forged ID and
> you should be able to stroll right past security. Hopefully.
>
Iridios! I see you ditching an MPCP 6 deck in the trashbin and I'm
coming after you! :)
(if it is less than 6 you would probably be toast anyway) :)

the wiz (that keeps trying to get a decent deck for the team's decker
who keeps losing them)
Message no. 5
From: Manolis Skoulikas great_worm@*****.com
Subject: Decker Mage was Re: A Van...
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 01:26:42 +0300
caelric@****.com wrote:
>
> >I've played a decker mage before, but he ended up on the path of Burnout. I
> >can't even imagine playing a rigger-mage (though I've played an NPC as a GM
> >who was one... he got geeked HARD during that particular run).
> A basic combat decker/mage can be made with boosted reflexes 1, smartlink,
> and a datajack. With alphaware, which is not too extraordinary, that is
> only .96 essence. This leaves 5 for magic.....
>

you don't need the boosted reflexes, just use a sustaining spell focus
with increase reflexes +3.
Use a sustaing spell focus with enhance Aim. Save the essence for cyber
eyes with magnification and thermo and don'y forget a rangefinder. Ears
can work miracles and so can the Math Spu and chipjack. Pay for betaware
at the start if the GM allows you to start with these.

If you fancy rigging get a second datajack and a VCR (first lvl paid
beta, or delta if possible) and skill wires 5 or 6 with CED for the
extra pool.

Then start initiaing fast to get that magic up,up,up...
All the while keep making orichalcum to make a decent power focus to
help you with the low magic.

Start with Computer, pistols or launch weapons(if your INT is
low),sorcery, conjuring, enchanting and get etiqutte related knowledge
skills to compensate for the lack of social active skills.

the wiz
Message no. 6
From: Alfredo B Alves dghost@****.com
Subject: Decker Mage was Re: A Van...
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 18:30:18 -0500
On Wed, 31 May 2000 12:08:25 +0200 "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl> writes:
<SNIP>
> Although virtually all deckers seem to have it (including mine), I
> have
> never actually found much use for headware memory in the game,
> except for
> copying the contents of skillsofts into... Am I missing something
> here?

Otaku. By the book, unless they have headware memory, they can't download
data. What a load of crap ...

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Message no. 7
From: Iridios iridios@*****.com
Subject: Decker Mage was Re: A Van...
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 19:40:11 -0400
Manolis Skoulikas wrote:
>
> Iridios wrote:
>
> > Sure. If a decker is using a "disposable" deck, he can download his
> > target info into his headware memory and walk out with nothing more
> > than a datajack. Throw on a maintainance workers uniform, 5 o'clock
> > shadow, pushing a mop bucket, and using a fairly well forged ID and
> > you should be able to stroll right past security. Hopefully.
> >
> Iridios! I see you ditching an MPCP 6 deck in the trashbin and I'm
> coming after you! :)

Are you kidding??? If it's between an MPCP 6 deck or my arse in some
corporate klink, I'll ditch the deck. Especially if I planned ahead
and left evidence on the deck incriminating someone else! ;)

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Message no. 8
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: Decker Mage was Re: A Van...
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 21:10:27 -0700 (PDT)
> > Deckers don't need alot of cyberware. A data jack
is the only necessary thing. A math spu would be
nice, along with some headware memory, but not
required.
>
> Although virtually all deckers seem to have it
(including mine), I have never actually found much use
for headware memory in the game, except for copying
the contents of skillsofts into... Am I missing
something here?
> Gurth@******.nl -

*Doc' boggles at Gurth...*

Get yourself an opticam and recorder and record your
meets. That way you can go back over what was said AND
you have dirt on the Johnson and your teammates if
anyone tries to screw you over.

Get an image link and/or display link. Upload text
files or other junk to headware memory, then use the
link to display it whenever you need it. You can now
give a flawless speech. :) A really useful trick is to
use the image link to view maps (not as good as a
GPS/Orientation System combo, but less essence
intensive).

Here's one I just came up with - I've got a character
with headware memory, an opticam and an image link. He
can AUTOMATICALLY see through mana-based illusions.
How? The opticam records to memory. Neither of those
are effected by the illusion, so you record the REAL
picture. Then you upload the recording to the image
link and you can see what's REALLY going on.

Record passwords, birthdays, bank account numbers,
phone numbers, your clothing size...

Lord, Gurth, the possibilities are literally ENDLESS...

====Doc'
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Message no. 9
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: Decker Mage was Re: A Van...
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 10:51:00 +0200
According to Alfredo B Alves, at 18:30 on 31 May 00, the word on the
street was...

> > Although virtually all deckers seem to have it (including mine), I have
> > never actually found much use for headware memory in the game, except for
> > copying the contents of skillsofts into... Am I missing something here?
>
> Otaku. By the book, unless they have headware memory, they can't download
> data. What a load of crap ...

The problem there is that a starting otaku almost can't have headware
memory at all...

Starting money: 5000 nuyen
Datajack: 1000 nuyen
ASIST converter: 50 nuyen
Squatter lifestyle: 100 nuyen

That leaves 3850 nuyen, enough for 25 Mp of headware memory and have 100
nuyen left over. Without the squatter lifestyle, you can get a whopping 26
Mp and have 50 nuyen to start with. Just enough for a set of clothes (I've
long ruled that if you don't buy clothes for your character, he or she
doesn't have any :)

Of course, all this means you have to do without plenty of other
essentials for at least your first run... Not sure you'd survive that,
though.

It seems much handier to let otaku port data to an offline storage device
through a second datajack or something. That way, the 2850 nuyen left over
after buying another datajack can pay for 5600 Mp...

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Message no. 10
From: Marc Renouf renouf@********.com
Subject: Decker Mage was Re: A Van...
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 10:58:35 -0400 (EDT)
On Wed, 31 May 2000, Alfredo B Alves wrote:

> Otaku. By the book, unless they have headware memory, they can't download
> data. What a load of crap ...

And where else, pray tell, would they put it? They don't have a
deck, so other than headware memory, where are they going to store
multiple megapulses of raw data?
Personally, I feel that if you're going to play an Otaku (which I
don't allow in my game because I think both the concept and the related
rules suck ass), you probably shouldn't even be worried about storage.
Otaku don't strike me as folks who are all that big into data theft and
delivery. So long as they *know* what the data pertains to, they're
happy. I don't need to store an entire MS Word document to have read it
and be familiar with its contents. Why worry about storage in the first
place. Otaku of all people should know that information is transitory,
and that being "in the know" is far more valuable and less bothersome than
being "in possession" of raw data.

Just my $0.02

Marc
Message no. 11
From: Alfredo B Alves dghost@****.com
Subject: Decker Mage was Re: A Van...
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 10:47:40 -0500
On Thu, 1 Jun 2000 10:51:00 +0200 "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl> writes:
<SNIP>
> It seems much handier to let otaku port data to an offline storage
> device
> through a second datajack or something. That way, the 2850 nuyen
> left over
> after buying another datajack can pay for 5600 Mp...

Isn't that a "meatworld" action? Even though it's a cybernetic command
and is related to the decking, shouldn't that technically incur the +8
target number for attempting an action while decking? (I'm not asking
logically, should it, I'm asking by the rules, technically, does it?)

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Message no. 12
From: Alfredo B Alves dghost@****.com
Subject: Decker Mage was Re: A Van...
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 11:05:13 -0500
On Thu, 1 Jun 2000 10:58:35 -0400 (EDT) Marc Renouf <renouf@********.com>
writes:
<SNIP>
> And where else, pray tell, would they put it? They don't
> have a
> deck, so other than headware memory, where are they going to store
> multiple megapulses of raw data?

Personally, I think they should in effect deck through gutted decks that
have only a few features like gobs of storage memory where they can d/l
files ...

<SNIP>
> So long as they *know* what the data pertains to, they're
> happy. I don't need to store an entire MS Word document to have
> read it
> and be familiar with its contents. Why worry about storage in the
> first
> place. Otaku of all people should know that information is
> transitory,
> and that being "in the know" is far more valuable and less
> bothersome than
> being "in possession" of raw data.

"But I saw the video and I know where to get it if I need it. So hand
over 1 milliio-"
*click*
"What was that?"
"I just deleted the video file."
(to self damn ...) "Yeah ... well ... I ... uh ... I made a copy!"
"Goodbye."

There are many cases where you need your own copies of the data ... What
are they going to do? Copy it to their webspace on www.blackmailers.com?

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Message no. 13
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: Decker Mage was Re: A Van...
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 19:29:41 +0200
According to Alfredo B Alves, at 10:47 on 1 Jun 00, the word on the street
was...

> > It seems much handier to let otaku port data to an offline storage device
> > through a second datajack or something. That way, the 2850 nuyen left over
> > after buying another datajack can pay for 5600 Mp...
>
> Isn't that a "meatworld" action? Even though it's a cybernetic command
> and is related to the decking, shouldn't that technically incur the +8
> target number for attempting an action while decking? (I'm not asking
> logically, should it, I'm asking by the rules, technically, does it?)

To tell the truth, I have no idea... I would simply go with the logical
conclusion here, which is (to me, anyway) that the storage device is
accessible to the otaku "from the Matrix," as it were.

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Message no. 14
From: Sebastian Wiers m0ng005e@*********.com
Subject: Decker Mage was Re: A Van...
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 15:37:43 -0500
:There are many cases where you need your own copies of the data ... What
:are they going to do? Copy it to their webspace on www.blackmailers.com?
:
:--
:D. Ghost

Actually, yes, or much like that. Otaku could have a "contact" who is a
dathaven, likes, say, Shadowland. Hell, they could go to some cheasy little
blue host and not only stash the data, but leave a comand set to broadcast /
deleate it after a given time period- going back to cancel the command set
when needed, of course. Admitedly, a file online is vulnerable to enemy
deckers, but "hide the data in the matrix" is a game Otaku can play pretty
well.

Mongoose

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Message no. 15
From: kawaii trunks@********.org
Subject: Decker Mage was Re: A Van...
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 16:33:27 -0400
From: "Sebastian Wiers" <m0ng005e@*********.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 4:37 PM


>
> :There are many cases where you need your own copies of the data ... What
> :are they going to do? Copy it to their webspace on www.blackmailers.com?
> :
> :--
> :D. Ghost
>
> Actually, yes, or much like that. Otaku could have a "contact" who is
a
> dathaven, likes, say, Shadowland. Hell, they could go to some cheasy
little
> blue host and not only stash the data, but leave a comand set to broadcast
/
> deleate it after a given time period- going back to cancel the command set
> when needed, of course. Admitedly, a file online is vulnerable to enemy
> deckers, but "hide the data in the matrix" is a game Otaku can play pretty
> well.
>
> Mongoose
>

They might be able to hide the data in the matrix, but I don't know how many
of them would. I mean, would you trust sensitive data to some blue host? ;)
And if you put it in a more secure host, what is to keep the sysop's of that
host from finding it? =)

I think there is nothing more secure than keeping it in your head,
literally. ;) To remove it, they've gotta take your head, and if it gets to
that point, losing the data might be the least of your concerns.

Ever lovable and always scrappy,
kawaii
Message no. 16
From: JKeith Henry neojudas@******************.com
Subject: Decker Mage was Re: A Van...
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 20:06:22 -0500
From: "kawaii" <trunks@********.org>
Subject: Re: Decker Mage was Re: A Van...

> > :There are many cases where you need your own copies of the data ...
What
> > :are they going to do? Copy it to their webspace on
www.blackmailers.com?
> > :D. Ghost

What an interesting idea for a contact ....

> > Actually, yes, or much like that. Otaku could have a "contact"
who
is
> a
> > dathaven, likes, say, Shadowland. Hell, they could go to some cheasy
> little
> > blue host and not only stash the data, but leave a comand set to
broadcast
> /
> > deleate it after a given time period- going back to cancel the command
set
> > when needed, of course. Admitedly, a file online is vulnerable to enemy
> > deckers, but "hide the data in the matrix" is a game Otaku can play
pretty
> > well.
> > Mongoose

And actually, this is kind of what is done now but not with quite so nasty
an edge to it. The BBS-like function of the "shadowtalk" could carry
similar usefulness, especially if you start using embedded coding within
simple messages.

> They might be able to hide the data in the matrix, but I don't know how
many
> of them would. I mean, would you trust sensitive data to some blue host?
;)
> And if you put it in a more secure host, what is to keep the sysop's of
that
> host from finding it? =)

I WISH I could say more here, but literally this is such a done thing now
you probably have no real clue. For instance, and although people may not
realize it, I use not one but four web addresses to actually operate and
archive the Hoosier Hacker House website. The archiving is so I have
backups of stuff, and the diversification is so I don't rip load/bandwidth
too heavily from just one place for the really large files that are sitting
out there waiting for their day, let alone for the functions we are going to
be performing in August/September of this year.

And as far as a Sysop on the system finding it, that may be all well and
nice, but what if it is a LEGAL storage facility, for instance the
files/archives space provided to users of services such as eGroups that
exist now? If the data doesn't read as being "dangerous" (aka; it's not a
virus for instance, it's just data) then those servers wouldn't really give
a rats' about it without some kind of further notification.

> I think there is nothing more secure than keeping it in your head,
> literally. ;) To remove it, they've gotta take your head, and if it gets
to
> that point, losing the data might be the least of your concerns.

Gosh, you don't know the mages in our group, or the Deckers/Otaku. The
*FIRST* place they look for information is in an operators' head, especially
if an assensing has already showed that individual to have "gray areas" in
the skull regions of the head. And decking/hacking someone's headware MP is
so much easier than decking/hacking a cyberdeck or a host/server.

> Ever lovable and always scrappy,
> kawaii

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Message no. 17
From: Manolis Skoulikas great_worm@*****.com
Subject: Decker Mage was Re: A Van...
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 00:35:19 +0300
Gurth wrote:
>
> According to Alfredo B Alves, at 18:30 on 31 May 00, the word on the
> street was...
>
> > > Although virtually all deckers seem to have it (including mine), I have
> > > never actually found much use for headware memory in the game, except for
> > > copying the contents of skillsofts into... Am I missing something here?
> >
> > Otaku. By the book, unless they have headware memory, they can't download
> > data. What a load of crap ...
>
> The problem there is that a starting otaku almost can't have headware
> memory at all...
>
> Starting money: 5000 nuyen
> Datajack: 1000 nuyen
> ASIST converter: 50 nuyen
> Squatter lifestyle: 100 nuyen
>
> That leaves 3850 nuyen, enough for 25 Mp of headware memory and have 100
> nuyen left over. Without the squatter lifestyle, you can get a whopping 26
> Mp and have 50 nuyen to start with. Just enough for a set of clothes (I've
> long ruled that if you don't buy clothes for your character, he or she
> doesn't have any :)
>
> Of course, all this means you have to do without plenty of other
> essentials for at least your first run... Not sure you'd survive that,
> though.
>

So I hack into a private clinic (Green rating/2 acording to M&M) and
convince the system That my sceduled (with the 3500 nuyen as down
payment)implant surgery (of 600 mp of internal memory, encephalon1,math
spu3) this afternoon is going to be taken care of (moneywise) in two
months time according to the deal made with the oh so unavailable doctor
X who keeps getting those obsene phonecalls on his cellphone and beeper
from the commlink 1 smartframe I just created.

Man, you just give me an otaku and these problems are at the very least
postponed! :)

> It seems much handier to let otaku port data to an offline storage device
> through a second datajack or something. That way, the 2850 nuyen left over
> after buying another datajack can pay for 5600 Mp...
>
I was under the impression that otaku could download anything through
asist converter anyway...

the wiz
Message no. 18
From: Manolis Skoulikas great_worm@*****.com
Subject: Decker Mage was Re: A Van...
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 00:35:12 +0300
Iridios wrote:
>
> Manolis Skoulikas wrote:
> >
> > Iridios wrote:
> >
> > > Sure. If a decker is using a "disposable" deck, he can download
his
> > > target info into his headware memory and walk out with nothing more
> > > than a datajack. Throw on a maintainance workers uniform, 5 o'clock
> > > shadow, pushing a mop bucket, and using a fairly well forged ID and
> > > you should be able to stroll right past security. Hopefully.
> > >
> > Iridios! I see you ditching an MPCP 6 deck in the trashbin and I'm
> > coming after you! :)
>
> Are you kidding??? If it's between an MPCP 6 deck or my arse in some
> corporate klink, I'll ditch the deck. Especially if I planned ahead
> and left evidence on the deck incriminating someone else! ;)
>

If they let me keep the 125,000 deck and programs, I might cosider
taking the blame!:)

Any way:
It's the principle of the thing man, you don't toss your children to the
wolves :)

Gee!And to think I am not a decker!

You could understand me better if you consider that we (as a team) are
still scraping crumbs and taking shitty runs to get the stupid decker a
decent deck... :)))

Pheew! I neede to say that out loud! :)

the wiz
Message no. 19
From: Manolis Skoulikas great_worm@*****.com
Subject: Decker Mage was Re: A Van...
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 00:35:15 +0300
Rand Ratinac wrote:

> Here's one I just came up with - I've got a character
> with headware memory, an opticam and an image link. He
> can AUTOMATICALLY see through mana-based illusions.
> How? The opticam records to memory. Neither of those
> are effected by the illusion, so you record the REAL
> picture. Then you upload the recording to the image
> link and you can see what's REALLY going on.
>

Cool thinking! But you got to say "Disbelieve" firest! :)

> Record passwords, birthdays, bank account numbers,
> phone numbers, your clothing size...
>

"Und Remember too eraze aall inteernal meemory of ze victi...I mean ze
patient!
I vill be keeping zose "special" phone noombers!...Fur sekoority
reeasonz!"

the wiz

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