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Message no. 1
From: dbuehrer@****.org dbuehrer@****.org
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:38:12 -0600
abortion_engine wrote:
\ > > *British* remedy? People who believe that milk, of all
\ > > things, should be mixed in with tea? Next thing I know, you'll be
\ > > extolling the merits of British cuisine.
\ >
\ I know, on behalf of my country, I should be offended, but I can't seem to
\ muster the irrationality. :) However, now that I live in the States, I do
\ think I'm qualified to complain about just how digusting Big Macs are.

To what heights do you think the fast food industry of Shadowrun have sunk to?

Anyone ever seen how they make a jelly donut? They take the unfilled
"roll" and stick it onto a large needle-like device and then fill the
"roll" with jelly.

I can just see a Shadowrun fast food chain in which the employees (or
perhaps a machine) use the same method to fill rolls with tasty soy paste
(which comes in a variety of flavors of course).

No containers would be required, reducing polution, other than perhaps
wraping it in biodegradable paper with the restaurant's logo emblazoned on
it. Almost no skills would be required of the employees (even people who
can't deep fry french fries could plunch a bread roll on a soy paste
hypodermic).

...which reminds me, it's lunch time for me.

What can you think of?



-Graht
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Message no. 2
From: Grim Shear grim_shear@*******.com
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 15:16:10 CDT
>What can you think of?
>-Graht

How about how McDonalds makes the egg part of their "Egg McMuffins".
They've got a just add water powder that they mix up and store in tanks on
the roof (around here anyway). Then they squirt the resulting paste into
molds to make the McMuffin. That is truly nasty!

Grim Shear
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not the pin." Spoken soon after telling a _really_ stupid
(and well roleplayed Troll), to pull the pin and throw it.

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Message no. 3
From: Strago strago@***.com
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:26:01 -0400
Grim Shear wrote:

> >What can you think of?
> >-Graht
>
> How about how McDonalds makes the egg part of their "Egg
McMuffins".
> They've got a just add water powder that they mix up and store in tanks on
> the roof (around here anyway). Then they squirt the resulting paste into
> molds to make the McMuffin. That is truly nasty!
>

Well, at Applebee's (and Olive Garden, I think), the pasta comes from a bag,
pre-cooked, soaked with oil, and then nuked for a minute with the sauce on top.
After you've seen that (and done it a few hundred times), it's kinda disgusting.

Another thing: don't EVER walk into a restaurant less than a half-hour before it
closes. After working in 3 different restaurants, I can tell you that you
definitely won't get the best-prepared food, or even food that's prepared the
way it's supposed to be. I've seen steaks cooked in a fryalator, I've COOKED
fajitas in the fryer, and I've also seen some stuff done which can't be repeated
but let's just say the customer got more than they paid for. (And this was at an
Applebee's, one of the better fast-food/sit down restaurants I know. I shudder
to think about a TGI-Friday's or a restaurant of it's caliber).

>
> Grim Shear
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> not the pin." Spoken soon after telling a _really_ stupid
> (and well roleplayed Troll), to pull the pin and throw it.
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Message no. 4
From: dbuehrer@****.org dbuehrer@****.org
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:29:53 -0600
Grim Shear wrote:
\ >What can you think of?
\ >-Graht
\
\ How about how McDonalds makes the egg part of their "Egg McMuffins".
\ They've got a just add water powder that they mix up and store in tanks on
\ the roof (around here anyway). Then they squirt the resulting paste into
\ molds to make the McMuffin. That is truly nasty!

Now translate that to Shadowrun and make a restaurant chain out of the
concept :)

"Earn what you have been given."
Message no. 5
From: lomion lomion@*********.escnd1.sdca.home.com
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:05:43 -0700
At 03:16 PM 10/12/99 -0500, you wrote:
>>What can you think of?
>>-Graht
>
> How about how McDonalds makes the egg part of their "Egg
> McMuffins". They've got a just add water powder that they mix up and
> store in tanks on the roof (around here anyway). Then they squirt the
> resulting paste into molds to make the McMuffin. That is truly nasty!

That;s not how it was done when i was a manager for McD's, the local one
seems to be the same, they use real eggs for the mcmuffins their scrambled
stuff is pre-mixed and pasteurized though. I've never heard of them doing
that, it wasn;t even in the ordering catalog for stuff.


--lomion
Message no. 6
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:06:56 -0700 (PDT)
> >>What can you think of?
> >>-Graht
> >
> > How about how McDonalds makes the egg part
of their "Egg McMuffins". They've got a just add water
powder that they mix up and store in tanks on the roof
(around here anyway). Then they squirt the resulting
paste into molds to make the McMuffin. That is truly
nasty!
>
> That;s not how it was done when i was a manager for
McD's, the local one seems to be the same, they use
real eggs for the mcmuffins their scrambled stuff is
pre-mixed and pasteurized though. I've never heard of
them doing that, it wasn;t even in the ordering
catalog for stuff.
> --lomion

Corporate apologist scum capitalist pig imperialist
running dog!!!

Stop lying to cover the tracks of your megacorporate
slavemaster!!!

*Doc' apologises, but thinks he's gotten the Communism
out of his system again...*

P.S. That's a scary thought. The world's first
megacorp will be a food company - either whoever owns
McDonalds, or whoever owns CocaCola...

====Doc'
(aka Mr. Freaky Big, Super-Dynamic Troll of Tomorrow)

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Message no. 7
From: Paul Gettle RunnerPaul@*****.com
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 22:08:00 -0400
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Maybe one will buy the other.

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Message no. 8
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 20:07:38 -0700 (PDT)
> :P.S. That's a scary thought. The world's first
:megacorp will be a food company - either whoever owns
:McDonalds, or whoever owns CocaCola...
>
> Maybe one will buy the other.
> -- Paul Gettle, #970 of 1000

Probably. The question is, which one?

My money's on Coke. They already have their claws into
McDonalds.

*Doc' thinks it'll begin when McDonalds realises their
dependency on Coke for their Value Meals. When they go
looking for a new cola provider, Coke will attack.
Thus will start the first corporate war.

Ronald McDonald will be the first casualty. Rest in pieces...*

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Message no. 9
From: Fanguad fanguad@****.rit.edu
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 23:10:25 -0400
> > :P.S. That's a scary thought. The world's first
> :megacorp will be a food company - either whoever owns
> :McDonalds, or whoever owns CocaCola...
> >
> > Maybe one will buy the other.
> > -- Paul Gettle, #970 of 1000
>
> Probably. The question is, which one?
>
> My money's on Coke. They already have their claws into
> McDonalds.
> Doc'

I'm voting for Pepsi. They are being really aggressive and making
companies & what not sign exclusive contracts. They already have
exclusive contracts on several college campuses.

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Message no. 10
From: lomion lomion@*********.escnd1.sdca.home.com
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 20:35:57 -0700
At 08:07 PM 10/12/99 -0700, you wrote:
> > :P.S. That's a scary thought. The world's first
>:megacorp will be a food company - either whoever owns
>:McDonalds, or whoever owns CocaCola...
> >
> > Maybe one will buy the other.
> > -- Paul Gettle, #970 of 1000
>
>Probably. The question is, which one?
>
>My money's on Coke. They already have their claws into
>McDonalds.
>
>*Doc' thinks it'll begin when McDonalds realises their
>dependency on Coke for their Value Meals. When they go
>looking for a new cola provider, Coke will attack.
>Thus will start the first corporate war.

nah won;t be coke...coke isnt that pervasivein McD's. McD's will buy
coke...McD's is creating future wage-slave customers with it's value meals.

Now here is a thought: a crazy bunch that models themselves after McD's stuff:

Ronald McDonald the fixer
Grimace the street sam
Hamburglar is a shaman - hamburger shaman
the fry guys would be a hit team
birdie is a rigger...

ok im getting to into this...

>--lomion
Message no. 11
From: lomion lomion@*********.escnd1.sdca.home.com
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 20:35:57 -0700
At 08:07 PM 10/12/99 -0700, you wrote:
> > :P.S. That's a scary thought. The world's first
>:megacorp will be a food company - either whoever owns
>:McDonalds, or whoever owns CocaCola...
> >
> > Maybe one will buy the other.
> > -- Paul Gettle, #970 of 1000
>
>Probably. The question is, which one?
>
>My money's on Coke. They already have their claws into
>McDonalds.
>
>*Doc' thinks it'll begin when McDonalds realises their
>dependency on Coke for their Value Meals. When they go
>looking for a new cola provider, Coke will attack.
>Thus will start the first corporate war.

nah won;t be coke...coke isnt that pervasivein McD's. McD's will buy
coke...McD's is creating future wage-slave customers with it's value meals.

Now here is a thought: a crazy bunch that models themselves after McD's stuff:

Ronald McDonald the fixer
Grimace the street sam
Hamburglar is a shaman - hamburger shaman
the fry guys would be a hit team
birdie is a rigger...

ok im getting to into this...

>--lomion
Message no. 12
From: Chris Miller poettech@*********.net
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 23:49:27 -0400
> I'm voting for Pepsi. They are being really aggressive and making
> companies & what not sign exclusive contracts. They already have
> exclusive contracts on several college campuses.

Heh... it's already happened. The first megacorp is Disney. Disney owns
Warner, which in turn owns Coca-Cola as well as a large number of fast-food
chains... Warner in turn owns a good number of print media companies...

Disney itself also has a *huge* media conglomerate; in addition to it's
own Disney channel, Disney owns ABC as well as MTV Networks which itself
owns MTV, MTV2, VH1, Nickelodeon, ESPN, and ESPN2. Of course, you all know
about Buena Vista television and movie productions and MGM... Can anybody
name another company that has such a grip on pop culture?

Now AFAIK, Disney hasn't achieved extraterritoriality yet, but are any of
you aware that Disney World down here in Florida (I live in Boca Raton,
about three hours south of Orlando) is actually in an incorporated *town*
called Reedy Creek? That it operates its own bona fide police force and
fire department? I won't go into the fact that every security officer in
the resort is a Reedy Creek Sheriffs Office deputy and that most of them are
elite undercover operatives... When was the last time any of ya'll *saw* a
security officer in any of the parks?

Anyone paranoid yet? :)

--Chris
Message no. 13
From: dghost@****.com dghost@****.com
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 00:10:40 -0700
On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 20:07:38 -0700 (PDT) Rand
Ratinac?<docwagon101@*****.com> writes:
<SNIP>
> *Doc' thinks it'll begin when McDonalds realises their
> dependency on Coke for their Value Meals. When they go
> looking for a new cola provider, Coke will attack.
> Thus will start the first corporate war.
>
> Ronald McDonald will be the first casualty. Rest in pieces...*

Grimace, Birdie and Mayor McCheese will become the first Shadowrunners
when they assinate Santa Claus* in retaliation.

--
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Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.
-Groucho Marx

*Santa Claus and all distinctive likenesses are copyright 1999 the
Coca-Cola Company.
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Message no. 14
From: abortion_engine abortion_engine@*******.com
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 08:20:46 -0400
> <snip food discussion>
>
> P.S. That's a scary thought. The world's first
> megacorp will be a food company - either whoever owns
> McDonalds, or whoever owns CocaCola...
>
Do remember, Stuffer Shack is a wholly owned subsidiary of Aztechnology.

BTW, IIRC, McD's and CocaCola are owned by the same holding company. PepsiCo
owns most of the rest of the "fast food joints." Holding companies are this
century's megacorps.
Message no. 15
From: Grim Shear grim_shear@*******.com
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 08:59:35 CDT
>P.S. That's a scary thought. The world's first megacorp will be a food
>company - either whoever owns McDonalds, or whoever owns CocaCola...

Just think if CocaCola and Pepsi merged. It would be illegal as all
hell in most countries with anti-monopoly laws, but they would have almost
100% of the soft drink business.
That or if Microsoft absorbed all the other computer software
companies. I don't think even Microsoft has that much money, but it is a
scary thought.
No more corporate conspiracies for me, except in Shadowrun that is.

Grim Shear
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not the pin." Spoken soon after telling a _really_ stupid
(and well roleplayed Troll), to pull the pin and throw it.

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Message no. 16
From: abortion_engine abortion_engine@*******.com
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 10:54:46 -0400
> >P.S. That's a scary thought. The world's first megacorp will be a food
> >company - either whoever owns McDonalds, or whoever owns CocaCola...
>
> Just think if CocaCola and Pepsi merged. It would be illegal as all
> hell in most countries with anti-monopoly laws, but they would have almost
> 100% of the soft drink business.

IIRC, expanding on my earlier post, the holding company that owns CocaCola
and McDonalds also owns PepsiCo. Of course, since it's an overseas holding
company, American anti-trust laws don't apply, so long as a competitive
atmosphere exists between each product, as well as allowing other company's
products to compete. Which is why they let Faygo exist at all. :)

Of course, this information is a little out-of-date, but I seem to recall
doing a profile on that holding company a few years ago at work.
Message no. 17
From: Steven A. Tinner bluewizard@*****.com
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 23:39:44 -0400
>To what heights do you think the fast food industry of Shadowrun have sunk
to?

Fast food?
For that matter, what does the entire food industry look like.

IMO to start with, meat is simply a luxury.
The street people probably make a good deal of money catching, selling and
eating rats, dogs, and other assorted gutter vermin.
I'd imagine Redmond and Puyallup have several locations where "Street
Butchers" ply their wares.

Moving up the food chain, I can imagine that the variety of non-meat food
would be very wide.
With the huge mix of cultures (Atlzlan, Japan, Native American, etc.) all in
Seattle, their cuisine has got to be a real mix of flavors.
Nyx Smith did a good job of capturing this in the Striper short story in
"Into the Shadows."
There's a scene where Striper passes through a street bazarre in Redmond,
and samples a wide array of national foodstuffs.

The average wage slave probably sees less meat even than the street people.
Odds are the corpslaves eat a lot of instant packaged soy.
Self-heating containers have got to be popular for those lunches at your
desk.
For vegetables, i'd lay odds on a lot of algae and vat grown plant life.

High level executives probably still get "real food"
They probably eat some very odd stuff too.
Some items we consider inedible would likely be considered delicacies to
jaded suits in 2060.
Animal eyes are quite popular in some cultures, and would certainly be
something different for a jaded palatte.

For some other good fancy food ideas, listen to NPR's weekend food show "The
Spledid Table"
Aside from being a darn entertaining show, the host is always on the lookout
for something new and exotic.
In fact they recently did a show about a chef who is pulping and
crystallizing food that were never meant to be pastes.
Things like ground, shaped meat, and spun vegetables.
Very odd stuff.

Just a few ideas to toss around.

Steven A. Tinner
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Message no. 18
From: lomion lomion@*********.escnd1.sdca.home.com
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 08:20:01 -0700
At 08:20 AM 10/13/99 -0400, you wrote:
> > <snip food discussion>
> >
> > P.S. That's a scary thought. The world's first
> > megacorp will be a food company - either whoever owns
> > McDonalds, or whoever owns CocaCola...
> >
>Do remember, Stuffer Shack is a wholly owned subsidiary of Aztechnology.
>
>BTW, IIRC, McD's and CocaCola are owned by the same holding company. PepsiCo
>owns most of the rest of the "fast food joints." Holding companies are this
>century's megacorps.

That brings a though to mind, what about current big names like Proctor &
Gamble, or Dupont or Sony? What you think happens to them in SR? I'd say
they would be candidates to become the first megacorps.

--lomion
Message no. 19
From: Sommers sommers@*****.edu
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 11:51:02 -0400
At 08:20 AM 10/13/99 -0700, you wrote:

>At 08:20 AM 10/13/99 -0400, you wrote:
>> > <snip food discussion>
>> >
>> > P.S. That's a scary thought. The world's first
>> > megacorp will be a food company - either whoever owns
>> > McDonalds, or whoever owns CocaCola...
>> >
>>Do remember, Stuffer Shack is a wholly owned subsidiary of Aztechnology.
>>
>>BTW, IIRC, McD's and CocaCola are owned by the same holding company. PepsiCo
>>owns most of the rest of the "fast food joints." Holding companies are
this
>>century's megacorps.
>
>That brings a though to mind, what about current big names like Proctor &
>Gamble, or Dupont or Sony? What you think happens to them in SR? I'd say
>they would be candidates to become the first megacorps.
>
>--lomion


One of my aero classes is working on the business aspects of the aerospace
industry. One quote that he gave us is that if you add up the total money
that all of Mitsubishi's various companies make every year, it comes out to
be one-quarter of the GDP of Japan.


Sommers
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Message no. 20
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:20:20 EDT
In a message dated 10/12/1999 3:00:20 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
dbuehrer@****.org writes:

> To what heights do you think the fast food industry of Shadowrun have sunk
to?

Well, as you long as we first of all remember that Taco Bell won the Fast
Food franchise wars...we're off to a good start... ;-P

> Anyone ever seen how they make a jelly donut? They take the unfilled
> "roll" and stick it onto a large needle-like device and then fill the
> "roll" with jelly.

Actually, that is how making "filled-anything" is done pretty much. There
are (some) instances where this isn't quite so (Chicken Cordon Bleu varies
I've noticed).

> I can just see a Shadowrun fast food chain in which the employees (or
> perhaps a machine) use the same method to fill rolls with tasty soy paste
> (which comes in a variety of flavors of course).

Actually, this sounds like the "Nuke'm Burritos" which are an amazing hit
here in the states.

> No containers would be required, reducing polution, other than perhaps
> wraping it in biodegradable paper with the restaurant's logo emblazoned on
> it. Almost no skills would be required of the employees (even people who
> can't deep fry french fries could plunch a bread roll on a soy paste
> hypodermic).

Okay, time for a bit of dark matter here (skip the gray stuff, its' only in
the way of the stomach after all ;). I seriously doubt that as many
"ecological conscious" companies exist in the time of SR as we *real world*
citizens might like to pray. Hell, with the information provided in
Corporate Download, the idea of all those plastic "Nuke'm Burritoes" (Nuke'm
*anything* actually) pumped by Aztechnology leads to me to having images of
wind-carried wrappers replacing wind-carried newspapers on low-lifestyle
neighborhoods.

And, even though my favorite "fictional commercial" we've joke about here on
the list is the Trollified version of the "Got Milk" series (for those of
that remember those), I also think that hype is 1,000% of the market, I
believe that health conscious individuals are probably overdoing it *just* a
tad.

I can the see the "pillpoppers lunchbox" being a common thing actually,
especially for those that are on the go a lot more. Nutritional supplements
are considered a common occurence for just about every level of lifestyle,
especially with the piss-poor quality of food's actual nutritional value that
has been eluded to in the past.

> ...which reminds me, it's lunch time for me.

We're making chili, with real 'turkish hots' and 'southwestern bell reds',
lots of diced tomatoes (some from the vines out back), beef/hot sausage mix,
mushrooms and *beans* (the magical fruit). Simmering until much later
tonight (ignoring the samples I did while making it of course). Find a way
to get here, and we'll share :)

-K
Message no. 21
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:21:30 EDT
In a message dated 10/12/1999 3:17:36 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
grim_shear@*******.com writes:

> How about how McDonalds makes the egg part of their "Egg McMuffins".
> They've got a just add water powder that they mix up and store in tanks on
> the roof (around here anyway). Then they squirt the resulting paste into
> molds to make the McMuffin. That is truly nasty!

Really? the MckeyD's around here actually still use eggs....

-K
Message no. 22
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:29:48 EDT
In a message dated 10/12/1999 3:41:33 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
dbuehrer@****.org writes:

> \ How about how McDonalds makes the egg part of their "Egg McMuffins".
> \ They've got a just add water powder that they mix up and store in tanks
on
>
> \ the roof (around here anyway). Then they squirt the resulting paste into
> \ molds to make the McMuffin. That is truly nasty!
>
> Now translate that to Shadowrun and make a restaurant chain out of the
> concept :)

Already been done actually, in the books. Find the term "McHughes" (I think
that is how its' spelled) and you can really begin to get the idea of exactly
*how insane* Ronald really is. ;-P

-K (who remembers the time the group got into a sniper fight around a
McHughes in Seattle during one of those famous "freezing rain" incidents and
someone thought they'd be funny and three "Ice Sheet").
Message no. 23
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:43:32 EDT
In a message dated 10/12/1999 8:57:33 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
docwagon101@*****.com writes:

>
> P.S. That's a scary thought. The world's first
> megacorp will be a food company - either whoever owns
> McDonalds, or whoever owns CocaCola...

Doc', I think you need to look at things *VERY* carefully. The biggest
corporation on the planet *IS* about food last time I checked at least.

-K
Message no. 24
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:54:15 EDT
In a message dated 10/13/1999 12:08:08 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
dghost@****.com writes:

> > *Doc' thinks it'll begin when McDonalds realises their
> > dependency on Coke for their Value Meals. When they go
> > looking for a new cola provider, Coke will attack.
> > Thus will start the first corporate war.
> >
> > Ronald McDonald will be the first casualty. Rest in pieces...*
>
> Grimace, Birdie and Mayor McCheese will become the first Shadowrunners
> when they assinate Santa Claus* in retaliation.

You all do realize of course that not only does Santa have Awakened Reindeer,
he's also been secretly breeding Awakened Polar Bears, right??? But, I've
also been told the Weasel and Lizards are planning a total degree of
retaliation, now that the Frogs' have more or less been moved out of the way.

And of course who's the leader of all this mayhem? The Chihuaha down in
Aztlan ... remember, Taco Bell wins the Fast Food Franchise
Wars...............

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Message no. 25
From: Atis Kleinbergs oogis@******.net
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 14:03:15 -0400
----------
> From: Ereskanti@***.com
> To: shadowrn@*********.org
> Subject: Re: Disgusting Food
> Date: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 1:43 PM
>
> In a message dated 10/12/1999 8:57:33 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
> docwagon101@*****.com writes:
>
> >
> > P.S. That's a scary thought. The world's first
> > megacorp will be a food company - either whoever owns
> > McDonalds, or whoever owns CocaCola...
>
> Doc', I think you need to look at things *VERY* carefully. The biggest
> corporation on the planet *IS* about food last time I checked at least.
>
> -K
Okay, you want to do something very scary? Do some research on Monsanto
Corp. These folks own the patent on caffeine, for crying out loud. They
are the ones that the French farmers have sacked all the McDonald's
restaurants in protest of. Monsanto They are the (shadow?)corp who do the
genetic engineering on almost everything you and I are currently eating
(and didn't know it was genetically engineered!). These guys are the ones
who encode a genetic resistance into their seed products to make crops
immune to their particular brand of pesticides. Sort of a designer
combination. They also hold farmers under contract not to plant using
seeds from first generation crops (Hmm...genetically unstable?) Forget Coke
and McDonald's. They might be huge, but there are others with more
influence and power.
Message no. 26
From: Sommers sommers@*****.umich.edu
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 14:17:49 -0400
At 02:03 PM 10/13/99 , Atis Kleinbergs wrote:
>Okay, you want to do something very scary? Do some research on Monsanto
>Corp. These folks own the patent on caffeine, for crying out loud. They
>are the ones that the French farmers have sacked all the McDonald's
>restaurants in protest of. Monsanto They are the (shadow?)corp who do the
>genetic engineering on almost everything you and I are currently eating
>(and didn't know it was genetically engineered!). These guys are the ones
>who encode a genetic resistance into their seed products to make crops
>immune to their particular brand of pesticides. Sort of a designer
>combination. They also hold farmers under contract not to plant using
>seeds from first generation crops (Hmm...genetically unstable?) Forget Coke
>and McDonald's. They might be huge, but there are others with more
>influence and power.

Nah, its nothing about being genetically unstable. Its pure economics. They
charge about the same for seed that that is modified (instead of
"natural"). Its genetic, so that if the farmers collect the seed from their
first crop, they can use it to help plant the next years crop. The farmers
would like to do this because the seed grows crops that are more resistant
to disease and need less fertilizer and pesticides. For the next crop, they
use their own and don't need the corp. If they sign a contract not to do
that, they have to pay again, but still make more money because of
increased yield and decreased chemical use.

One thing I'm waiting for in genetic engineering is taking the narcotic
chemicals out of hemp, or marijuana. The plant itself is useful for a
variety of applications and will grow just about anywhere. This year the
stats of Ohio had a record haul for seizing pot crops. They were having a
bit of a drought and not too many of the plants looked healthy - except for
marijuana. All the cops did was fly around the state looking for green
crops. :)

Oh, and are you sure about that patent? I don't see how you can patent
caffeine since its a naturally occurring substance. They might hold a
patent on a specific type of coffee beans that produce more caffeine, for
example. But the drug itself?

Sommers
Insert witty quote here.
Message no. 27
From: Atis Kleinbergs oogis@******.net
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:01:33 -0400
----------
> From: Sommers <sommers@*****.umich.edu>
> To: shadowrn@*********.org
> Subject: Re: Disgusting Food
> Date: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 2:17 PM
> Oh, and are you sure about that patent? I don't see how you can patent
> caffeine since its a naturally occurring substance. They might hold a
> patent on a specific type of coffee beans that produce more caffeine, for

> example. But the drug itself?
>
> Sommers
> Insert witty quote here.

No, not absolutely positive. I have that from a highly trusted second-hand
source. Perhaps they hold the patent for the food-additive form of
caffeine.
Message no. 28
From: lomion lomion@*********.escnd1.sdca.home.com
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 12:49:53 -0700
>And of course who's the leader of all this mayhem? The Chihuaha down in
>Aztlan ... remember, Taco Bell wins the Fast Food Franchise
>Wars...............

i knew it the damn dog is the Enemy

--lomion
Message no. 29
From: lomion lomion@*********.escnd1.sdca.home.com
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 12:51:35 -0700
>Actually, this sounds like the "Nuke'm Burritos" which are an amazing hit
>here in the states.

For those in the states think 7-eleven on speed. That's how i envision the
nuke food and stuffer shacks.

--Lomion
Message no. 30
From: vocenoctum@****.com vocenoctum@****.com
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:23:08 -0400
On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:54:15 EDT Ereskanti@***.com writes:

>
> And of course who's the leader of all this mayhem? The Chihuaha
> down in
> Aztlan ... remember, Taco Bell wins the Fast Food Franchise
> Wars...............
>
Taco Bell, thats the other one owned by PepsiCo, forgot them

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Message no. 31
From: vocenoctum@****.com vocenoctum@****.com
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:04:57 -0400
On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 08:20:46 -0400 "abortion_engine"
<abortion_engine@*******.com> writes:

> Do remember, Stuffer Shack is a wholly owned subsidiary of
> Aztechnology.

IIRC, they just own most of the product lines there. Myself, I think SK
owns Stuffer and uses them as bases for their operations. They are the
largest corp and yet are seldom seen in most nations...think about
it...:-)

> BTW, IIRC, McD's and CocaCola are owned by the same holding company.
> PepsiCo
> owns most of the rest of the "fast food joints." Holding companies
> are this
> century's megacorps.
>
PepsiCo owns Pizza Hut, KFC, Hot & Now (if there are any left) and
probably many others.

Myself, I'd still place money on Time/Warner :-)

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Message no. 32
From: Richard Tomasso rtomasso@*******.com
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:45:50 -0400 (EDT)
lomion wrote:
> nah won;t be coke...coke isnt that pervasivein McD's. McD's will buy
> coke...McD's is creating future wage-slave customers with it's value meals.

Never happen. If McD's bought Coke, all the other fast food chains would
start using Pepsi products. Much like what happened when Pepsi bought out
KFC, etc al and all the competing chains started buying Coke products.
It's all about hurting the competition. Besides, I'm pretty sure Coke is
a larger enterprise than McD's, not that it matters.
Message no. 33
From: Grim Shear grim_shear@*******.com
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:24:36 CDT
>Really? the MckeyD's around here actually still use eggs....

Then it seems that either the McDonalds here in lil 'ol Winnipeg are really
progessive, or just cheap.

Grim Shear
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not the pin." Spoken soon after telling a _really_ stupid
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Message no. 34
From: Grim Shear grim_shear@*******.com
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:36:35 CDT
>One thing I'm waiting for in genetic engineering is taking the narcotic
>chemicals out of hemp, or marijuana. The plant itself is useful for a
>variety of applications and will grow just about anywhere. This year the
>stats of Ohio had a record haul for seizing pot crops. They were having a
>bit of a drought and not too many of the plants looked healthy - except for
>marijuana. All the cops did was fly around the state looking for green
>crops. :)
>Oh, and are you sure about that patent? I don't see how you can patent
>caffeine since its a naturally occurring substance. They might hold a
>patent on a specific type of coffee beans that produce more caffeine, for
>example. But the drug itself?

Hemp is not Marijuana. Around here its legal to grow _Hemp_. Hell, I've got
a tin of Hemp oil Elbow Grease. In the bottom of the tin it says "Hemp is
Hope, Not Dope".
Fields of green, seven feet high and fiberous to choke the machines that
harvest it (and these are specially designed to deal with the high fiber
content).

And as for patents; Microsoft _technically_ owns zero's and ones (good old
binary 01).

Grim Shear
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Message no. 35
From: lomion lomion@*********.escnd1.sdca.home.com
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:10:03 -0700
At 04:24 PM 10/13/99 -0500, you wrote:
>>Really? the MckeyD's around here actually still use eggs....
>
> Then it seems that either the McDonalds here in lil 'ol Winnipeg
> are really progessive, or just cheap.

might be a test mareket..they pick markets to test stuff, usually whole
regions.

--Larry
Message no. 36
From: Paul Gettle RunnerPaul@*****.com
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 19:04:15 -0400
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::Oh, and are you sure about that patent? I don't see how you can
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::might hold patent on a specific type of coffee beans that produce
::more caffeine, for example. But the drug itself?
:
:No, not absolutely positive. I have that from a highly trusted
:second-hand source. Perhaps they hold the patent for the
:food-additive form of caffeine.

Are you sure you're not thinking of the artificial sweetener
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I know Monsanto holds the patent to that.

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Message no. 37
From: lomion lomion@*********.escnd1.sdca.home.com
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:18:44 -0700
A:
>:No, not absolutely positive. I have that from a highly trusted
>:second-hand source. Perhaps they hold the patent for the
>:food-additive form of caffeine.
>
>Are you sure you're not thinking of the artificial sweetener
>Aspartame, brand name NutraSweet?
>I know Monsanto holds the patent to that.

You can't patent caffeine, it's a naturally occuring chemical. It's like
trying to patent a law of physics, it cannot be done.


--Lomion
Message no. 38
From: Iridios iridios@*****.com
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 19:47:40 -0400
lomion wrote:
>
> A:
> >:No, not absolutely positive. I have that from a highly trusted
> >:second-hand source. Perhaps they hold the patent for the
> >:food-additive form of caffeine.
> >
> >Are you sure you're not thinking of the artificial sweetener
> >Aspartame, brand name NutraSweet?
> >I know Monsanto holds the patent to that.
>
> You can't patent caffeine, it's a naturally occuring chemical. It's like
> trying to patent a law of physics, it cannot be done.

No, but a company can patent (copyright?) a formula to synthesize
caffeine. Synthesized caffeine would be quite a bit cheaper than
trying to extract it from it's natural source.


--
Iridios
"Accept what you cannot avoid,
Avoid what you cannot accept."
Message no. 39
From: Atis Kleinbergs oogis@******.net
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 20:25:57 -0400
----------
> From: lomion <lomion@*********.escnd1.sdca.home.com>
> To: shadowrn@*********.org
> Subject: Re: Disgusting Food
> Date: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 7:18 PM
>
> A:
> >:No, not absolutely positive. I have that from a highly trusted
> >:second-hand source. Perhaps they hold the patent for the
> >:food-additive form of caffeine.
> >
> >Are you sure you're not thinking of the artificial sweetener
> >Aspartame, brand name NutraSweet?
> >I know Monsanto holds the patent to that.
>
> You can't patent caffeine, it's a naturally occuring chemical. It's like

> trying to patent a law of physics, it cannot be done.

No, you are correct. But you *can* patent the process by which caffeine is
extracted, refined, and sold as a food additive. Because we all know that
caffeine does not naturally occur in orange soda... :) (Did a little
research myself. Monsanto added caffeine to their product line in 1904.)
Message no. 40
From: lomion lomion@*********.escnd1.sdca.home.com
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:34:07 -0700
A
>No, you are correct. But you *can* patent the process by which caffeine is
>extracted, refined, and sold as a food additive. Because we all know that
>caffeine does not naturally occur in orange soda... :) (Did a little
>research myself. Monsanto added caffeine to their product line in 1904.)
>

Ok..that's what i figured just the inital post made it sound like they
patented caffeine.

--lomion
Message no. 41
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 19:01:33 -0700 (PDT)
> > P.S. That's a scary thought. The world's first
megacorp will be a food company - either whoever owns
McDonalds, or whoever owns CocaCola...
>
> Doc', I think you need to look at things *VERY*
carefully. The biggest corporation on the planet *IS*
about food last time I checked at least.
>
> -K

Thanks a LOT, K.

Way to ruin a perfectly good unfounded scaremongering
campaign.

*Doc' goes off to sulk...*

P.S. Which corp would that be, then?

====Doc'
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Message no. 42
From: Penta cpenta@*****.com
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 22:06:04 -0400
Rand Ratinac wrote:

> P.S. Which corp would that be, then?

I want to say Nestle. MAY be Coca-Cola or PepsiCo, though. Perhaps even
McDonalds.

John
Message no. 43
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 22:14:11 EDT
In a message dated 10/13/1999 4:26:06 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
grim_shear@*******.com writes:

>
> >Really? the MckeyD's around here actually still use eggs....
>
> Then it seems that either the McDonalds here in lil 'ol Winnipeg are
really
> progessive, or just cheap.

Actually, they're probably being cheap, and *might* even be able to get
themselves in a world of hurt for nothing else other than false advertising
(as part of the Egg McMuffin ads actually). Probably a 'shortcut' (shrug).

-K
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Message no. 44
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 22:22:16 EDT
In a message dated 10/13/1999 8:51:09 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
docwagon101@*****.com writes:

>
> P.S. Which corp would that be, then?

At the time of the information, it was Nestle. I don't know if they actually
still hold the title of "World's Biggest", but I'm sure they're still pretty
high up.

-K
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Message no. 45
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 22:10:05 EDT
In a message dated 10/13/1999 3:38:11 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
vocenoctum@****.com writes:

> > Do remember, Stuffer Shack is a wholly owned subsidiary of
> > Aztechnology.
>
> IIRC, they just own most of the product lines there. Myself, I think SK
> owns Stuffer and uses them as bases for their operations. They are the
> largest corp and yet are seldom seen in most nations...think about
> it...:-)

Again, as per Corporate Download, "Stuffer Shacks" are property of
Aztechnology.

> > BTW, IIRC, McD's and CocaCola are owned by the same holding company.
> > PepsiCo
> > owns most of the rest of the "fast food joints." Holding companies
> > are this
> > century's megacorps.
> >
> PepsiCo owns Pizza Hut, KFC, Hot & Now (if there are any left) and
> probably many others.
>
> Myself, I'd still place money on Time/Warner :-)

Ah hell no, Teddy might have lots of stuff, no argument there, but
Megacorporate Material??? No way...

-K
Message no. 46
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 22:08:59 EDT
In a message dated 10/13/1999 3:37:01 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
vocenoctum@****.com writes:

> > And of course who's the leader of all this mayhem? The Chihuaha
> > down in
> > Aztlan ... remember, Taco Bell wins the Fast Food Franchise
> > Wars...............
> >
> Taco Bell, thats the other one owned by PepsiCo, forgot them
>
Actually, IIRC, the "Holding Company" mentality now exists with regards to
this. PepsiCo. still has the beverage contract with Taco Bell, and the other
two it let go at the same time (Pizza Hut and Kentucky Fried Chicken). As
for direct ownership. No longer.

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Message no. 47
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 23:22:09 -0700 (PDT)
> > >Really? the MckeyD's around here actually still
> use eggs....
> >
> > Then it seems that either the McDonalds here in
> lil 'ol Winnipeg are
> really
> > progessive, or just cheap.
>
> Actually, they're probably being cheap, and *might*
even be able to get themselves in a world of hurt for
nothing else other than false advertising (as part of
the Egg McMuffin ads actually). Probably a 'shortcut'
(shrug).
> -K

That could very well happen. I don't know about you
guys, but we had a "Grilled Chicken" burger over here
for a while from them. They had to pull it, though,
when it was revealed that the "grill marks" were
actually painted on with food colouring and it was
just microwaved like all their other burgers. False
advertising indeed.

Just as well the burger sucked. :)

*Doc' markets compressed chicken giblets as the "White
Meat Surprise!" burger...*

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Message no. 48
From: BRUCE gyro@********.co.za
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 11:44:51 +0200
<schnipp>
>Actually, IIRC, the "Holding Company" mentality now exists with
regards to
>this. PepsiCo. still has the beverage contract with Taco Bell, and
the other
>two it let go at the same time (Pizza Hut and Kentucky Fried
Chicken). As
>for direct ownership. No longer.
>
>-K
>[Hoosier Hacker House]

IMO, the Megas are nothing more than glorified holding companies. They
employ the best corporate sharks ...umm I mean businessmen, they can
get their hands on and maintain small staffs considering the size of
the company. These guys are there to ensure that all the little fish
stay in the pond and grow as big as possible and also to find new fish
to put into the pond. I would hazard it to say that very few Megacorp
employees know anything about the businesses they control in a
"getting hands dirty" fashion. They are there to ensure growth and to
enforce the rules.

Bruce <gyro@********.co.za>
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Message no. 49
From: Grim Shear grim_shear@*******.com
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:22:16 CDT
>I'm voting for Pepsi. They are being really aggressive and making
>companies & what not sign exclusive contracts. They already have
>exclusive contracts on several college campuses.

Coke is pretty aggressive to. At the Pan American games, when you were
entering an event, if you had a non-Coke soft drink, they made you remove
the label or put it in a plastic cup; seeing as they didn't want to annoy
their corporate sponser.

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Message no. 50
From: BRUCE gyro@********.co.za
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 16:04:56 +0200
----Original Message-----
From: Grim Shear <grim_shear@*******.com>
To: shadowrn@*********.org <shadowrn@*********.org>
Date: 14 October 1999 03:27
Subject: Re: Disgusting Food


>>I'm voting for Pepsi. They are being really aggressive and making
>>companies & what not sign exclusive contracts. They already have
>>exclusive contracts on several college campuses.
>
> Coke is pretty aggressive to. At the Pan American games, when
you were
>entering an event, if you had a non-Coke soft drink, they made you
remove
>the label or put it in a plastic cup; seeing as they didn't want to
annoy
>their corporate sponser.
>
> Grim Shear

A couple of years back Pepsi attempted to get back into the South
African market through an black empowerment company. Great idea. They
spent a fortune of marketing and advertising, competitions,
promotional give aways , flooding KFC outlets with product the whole
trip.

At the launch party in Durban the Mayor of that fine city was in
attendance and was allegedly asked whether he would like a drink. His
reply?

Yes, A Brandy and Coke please.

Pepsi is no longer trading in South Africa.

Bruce <gyro@********.co.za>
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Message no. 51
From: Gordon McCormick gmcc@*********.ie
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:26:52 +0100
Grim Shear wrote:

> And as for patents; Microsoft _technically_ owns zero's and ones (good old
> binary 01).


http://www.theonion.com/onion3311/microsoftpatents.html

the onion is cool...

gordon

http://www.theonion.com/onion3121/billgates.html is my fave...
Message no. 52
From: Arclight arclight@*********.de
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 00:49:17 +0200
And finally, Ereskanti expressed himself by writing:

<snip>

> Doc', I think you need to look at things *VERY* carefully. The biggest
> corporation on the planet *IS* about food last time I checked at least.

The biggest corp is GM

arclight
Message no. 53
From: Raije murk@****.org.au
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 19:34:36 +1000
> *Santa Claus and all distinctive likenesses are copyright 1999 the
> Coca-Cola Company.

Just have to love how he wears their colours now don't ya. Well, that's why
I drink pepsi.

Either way I'm disinclined to drink anything that can kill a bug that can
withstand nuclear winters...

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Message no. 54
From: Airwasp@***.com Airwasp@***.com
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 13:21:56 EDT
In a message dated 10/13/99 12:31:12 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
Ereskanti@***.com writes:

<< Already been done actually, in the books. Find the term "McHughes" (I
think
that is how its' spelled) and you can really begin to get the idea of
exactly
*how insane* Ronald really is. ;-P

-K (who remembers the time the group got into a sniper fight around a
McHughes in Seattle during one of those famous "freezing rain" incidents and
someone thought they'd be funny and three "Ice Sheet"). >>

Actually, the fight at the McHugh's was in Atlanta.

The group had been hired to extract a research scientist from the MCT
Biotechnics laboratory down there. The group had the guys itinerary for the
next three days. No one in the group (The Crew, guys) thought anything
strange of it.

The run was a trap setup by a Winternight team.

On top of the McHugh's was a Barret-laden sniper, who began shooting at the
vehicle the scientist was in once the guy left the MCT Corpzone (he was going
home). The group begins to panic some, then notices a slow-moving delivery
van coming towards them, someone looks and inside are 5-6 individuals armed
to the teeth.

Fighting begins. In this infamous fight, the group realizes they are
fighting Winternight when the other group takes out the MCT guardshack with a
LAW rocket. Several Wolfhounds are fighting the group inside the garage
(remember, they are VTOL craft after all), in addition to the schizzed out
goons that were just not dropping for some reason or another after having
been shot in the (insert body place here).

This is the first run where Kenny died. And was promptly fixed back together
again.

All in all, the one realization I came with as a GM is that the Ice
Elementality spell effect is not something I want to really have to deal with
as it gives a smart group a definite advantage in some situations.

And for those GMs who may decide that ocean-going warfare is not threatening
enough, have some twit Phillipino pirate captain with a mage who knows Freeze
Water, cruise some 3,000 to 4,000 meters under a JMI fleet and have the mage
begin lobbing the Freeze Water spell off and creating rapidly ascending mines
of icebergs that begin rushing towards the surface of the water at beakneck
speeds. For a very simple spell, it does the most devastating damage to
naval vessels in the book, and no spirit-assistance is needed to achieve a
spell capable of doing this damage.

-Mike
Message no. 55
From: lomion lomion@*********.escnd1.sdca.home.com
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 16:01:02 -0700
At 07:34 PM 10/14/99 +1000, you wrote:
> > *Santa Claus and all distinctive likenesses are copyright 1999 the
> > Coca-Cola Company.

actually Coke is the official sponsor of Santa Claus, they won the contract
a few years back.

As an aside..in San Diego Coke and Pepsi are fighting for the city
exclusive contract, basically one or the other will only be available for
sale on the city property. Gives me some ideas for runs, say on company
is vying for another for a municipal contract ( and we all know gov't
contracts are money makers) say company A hires our Fearless Runners(tm) to
sabatoge Company B, say a little acident that makes them look bad or
stealing a copy of their bid...I love how todays events can give fuel to an
SR idea.


--lomion
Message no. 56
From: Grim Shear grim_shear@*******.com
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 14:21:59 CDT
>As an aside..in San Diego Coke and Pepsi are fighting for the city
>exclusive contract, basically one or the other will only be available for
>sale on the city property.

Personally I'd say that would be an infringment on my rights (if I lived
there). If I want something, it should be there, and not because some city
counciler decided to line his/her pocket.

Grim Shear
"Dammit man, I thought I told you to throw the _Grenade_
not the pin." Spoken soon after telling a _really_ stupid
(and well roleplayed Troll), to pull the pin and throw it.

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Message no. 57
From: Iridios iridios@*****.com
Subject: Disgusting Food
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 19:50:23 -0400
Grim Shear wrote:
>
> >As an aside..in San Diego Coke and Pepsi are fighting for the city
> >exclusive contract, basically one or the other will only be available for
> >sale on the city property.
>
> Personally I'd say that would be an infringment on my rights (if I lived
> there). If I want something, it should be there, and not because some city
> counciler decided to line his/her pocket.

Did you notice the line that says "available for sale on the *city
property*." They aren't restricting sales in the city, just in
places such as city hall, pd, fd, and etc. It's probably an attempt
to control (from the cities perspective) the number of vendors they
need to deal with. From the side of the winning vendor, it is a very
lucrative contract.


--
Iridios
"Accept what you cannot avoid,
Avoid what you cannot accept."

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