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Message no. 1
From: Jason Messer <bitter@****.ncn.com>
Subject: Disregard/invisisbility
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 19:47:42 -0800
This seems like kind of silly question, but it actually came up in play last
night.
My street shaman had a spell similar to the disregard spell (mine just had a
higher drain code and slightly different rules) so the GM allowed me to
switch it over.Another character cast an invisibility spell on himself, then
my Dwarven Rat shaman cast disregard on him. The question was: which spell
needs to broken first? The diregard is telling your brain "nobody here" and
the improved invisibility is preventing you from seeing the charcter in the
first place.
A related question :does disregard affect astral perception,smell,sound,etc.?
Message no. 2
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Disregard/invisisbility
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 11:57:29 +0100
Jason Messer said on 17 Dec 95...

> My street shaman had a spell similar to the disregard spell (mine just had a
> higher drain code and slightly different rules) so the GM allowed me to
> switch it over.

Disregard spell? There goes my favorite explanation of how an invisibility
spell works :(

> Another character cast an invisibility spell on himself, then
> my Dwarven Rat shaman cast disregard on him. The question was: which spell
> needs to broken first? The diregard is telling your brain "nobody here" and
> the improved invisibility is preventing you from seeing the charcter in the
> first place.

Hmm... I take it this is from Awakenings (which I don't have yet), so I
can't be 100% sure of how it works. I do have a basic idea, though...
I'd say that if the Disregard is broken, you have the normal chance of
spotting an invisible character (roll Perception vs. twice the number of
the spell's successes). If Invisibility is broken, I think Disregard would
remain in place.

> A related question :does disregard affect astral perception,smell,sound,etc.?

Not knowing what the spell description actually says, I guess it does. If
your brain is ignoring a person completely, you also won't notice their
aura, stench, etc.

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Message no. 3
From: "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Disregard/invisisbility
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 11:03:18 +0000 (GMT)
>
> This seems like kind of silly question, but it actually came up in play last
> night.
> My street shaman had a spell similar to the disregard spell (mine just had a
> higher drain code and slightly different rules) so the GM allowed me to
> switch it over.Another character cast an invisibility spell on himself, then
> my Dwarven Rat shaman cast disregard on him. The question was: which spell
> needs to broken first? The diregard is telling your brain "nobody here" and
> the improved invisibility is preventing you from seeing the charcter in the
> first place.
> A related question :does disregard affect astral perception,smell,sound,etc.?

I haven't seen the spell yet but.....

Invisibility. Does not stop IR/Sonar/Sound/Smell etc

Disregard: I'm not here. Just forget you ever saw me....
I'd say disregard stops all physical senses. An astral mage WOULD see him
because the mage would be unaffected by the spell.
Also, invisibility is a physical spell, so it will deceive cameras....
Is disregard physical? It doesn't sound it!
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Message no. 4
From: sedahdro@*****.com (Victor Rodriguez, Jr)
Subject: Re: Disregard/invisisbility
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 95 13:24 EST
>This seems like kind of silly question, but it actually came up in play last
>night.
>My street shaman had a spell similar to the disregard spell (mine just had a
>higher drain code and slightly different rules) so the GM allowed me to
>switch it over.Another character cast an invisibility spell on himself, then
>my Dwarven Rat shaman cast disregard on him. The question was: which spell
>needs to broken first? The diregard is telling your brain "nobody here" and
>the improved invisibility is preventing you from seeing the charcter in the
>first place.

If it's by a flesh looking through mechanical device only improved
invisibility, but if its by flesh alone both spells would have to be broken,
A generous GM would say the first or second spell cast would need to be
broken first. A not so generous GM would say only the spell with the
highest target would need to be broken, since if they can see you through a
Imp. Inv. with a target of 20, they are going to see you through a Disregard
target 10.

>A related question :does disregard affect astral perception,smell,sound,etc.?
As far as astral perception goes I would say yes. If they can be assenced
(page 145 SRII), they can be seen. As far as other senses, I would have to
say no. Look at the drain and target it is the same as Invisibiliy. They
appear to be the exact same spell, just a different name.
---Sedah Drol
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Message no. 5
From: Adrian Mink <psu01071@****.cc.pdx.edu>
Subject: Re: Disregard/invisisbility
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 15:18:42 -0800 (PST)
On Sun, 17 Dec 1995, Jason Messer wrote:

> This seems like kind of silly question, but it actually came up in play last
> night.
> My street shaman had a spell similar to the disregard spell (mine just had a
> higher drain code and slightly different rules) so the GM allowed me to
> switch it over.Another character cast an invisibility spell on himself, then
> my Dwarven Rat shaman cast disregard on him. The question was: which spell
> needs to broken first? The diregard is telling your brain "nobody here" and
> the improved invisibility is preventing you from seeing the charcter in the
> first place.
> A related question :does disregard affect astral perception,smell,sound,etc.?
>
Well, I would think that disregard does not effect any of your senses,
it's that your senses tell you they are there and you just don't believe
it.
With both spells up you would be disregarding scent, sound, ect, but
not sight as you can't see tham. If the disregard spell went down first
than you would have a chance of detecting them with senses other than sight.
If the imp. invis. spell went down but the disregard stayed up people
still would not know you were there, but should probably get another
chance to throw off the effects of the spell.
Disregard does not affect astral perception, as you can see the spell
itself in astral space around the effected person.

-adrian

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