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Message no. 1
From: "Steven A. Tinner" <bluewizard@*****.COM>
Subject: Dodger the Spike Baby?
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 00:34:14 -0400
Where does this info come from?
I know Sean Laverty and Ehran and the other elves in Never Trust and Elf
are SB's, but where is it mentioned that Dodger is?

I was always under the impression that he was a regular old elf?
I'd appreciate it if someone can give me a page reference where it states
that Dodger is a Spike Baby.

Steven A. Tinner
bluewizard@*****.com
http://www.ncweb.com/users/bluewizard
"I'm about to get my swerve on!"
Message no. 2
From: Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Dodger the Spike Baby?
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 22:40:30 -0700
---"Steven A. Tinner" wrote:
>
> Where does this info come from?
> I know Sean Laverty and Ehran and the other elves in Never Trust and
Elf
> are SB's, but where is it mentioned that Dodger is?

It implies it in Never Trust an Elf as well. Dodger is in a picture
with Laverty, and Miko estimates Dodger is over 100 years old.

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Message no. 3
From: Sean Carley <scarley@***.GETONTHE.NET>
Subject: Re: Dodger the Spike Baby?
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 01:20:18 -0500
At 12:34 AM 6/4/97 -0400, Steven wrote:
>Where does this info come from?
>I know Sean Laverty and Ehran and the other elves in Never Trust and Elf
>are SB's, but where is it mentioned that Dodger is?
>
>I was always under the impression that he was a regular old elf?
>I'd appreciate it if someone can give me a page reference where it states
>that Dodger is a Spike Baby.

Page 161 in Never Trust An Elf
On the second half of the page, Dodger declares himself a spike baby with
his own words. An the next page, he claims to remember events over 50
years old. Page 160, Neko claims he was born before 2011.
Message no. 4
From: "Mark E. Manhardt" <droopy@**.NET>
Subject: Re: Dodger the Spike Baby?
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 08:38:53 +0000
> From: "Steven A. Tinner" <bluewizard@*****.COM>
> Subject: Dodger the Spike Baby?

> I know Sean Laverty and Ehran and the other elves in Never Trust and Elf
> are SB's, but where is it mentioned that Dodger is?

When did this happen? Did I miss something?

> I was always under the impression that he was a regular old elf?
> I'd appreciate it if someone can give me a page reference where it states
> that Dodger is a Spike Baby.

I think there was a reference in the Tir Taingire book in the section
that talks about Ehran. I may be wrong though....


--Droopy

droopy@**.net
Message no. 5
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Dodger the Spike Baby?
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 17:19:50 +0100
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|> From: "Steven A. Tinner" <bluewizard@*****.COM>
|> Subject: Dodger the Spike Baby?
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|> I know Sean Laverty and Ehran and the other elves in Never Trust and Elf
|> are SB's, but where is it mentioned that Dodger is?
|
|When did this happen? Did I miss something?

Ehran? A Spike Baby???????
Nope. Defnatly not. No way. Never.

Dodger and Laverty however, yes.
The entire foundation was formed specifically FOR spike babies, IIRC.

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Message no. 6
From: Patrick Gearman <Hadruak@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Dodger the Spike Baby?
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 16:16:08 -0400
In a message dated 97-06-04 12:28:58 EDT, you write:

>> I know Sean Laverty and Ehran and the other elves in Never Trust and Elf
>> are SB's, but where is it mentioned that Dodger is?
>
>>When did this happen? Did I miss something?
>
>Ehran? A Spike Baby???????
>Nope. Defnatly not. No way. Never.
>
>Dodger and Laverty however, yes.
>The entire foundation was formed specifically FOR spike babies, IIRC.

As far as I know, Ehran is one of those wierd elves from the previous
Awakening. He's practically immortal. (As in doesn't get old.)

Specter
Message no. 7
From: Kim Christiansen <kimc@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Dodger the Spike Baby?
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 18:44:15 +0100
> From: "Steven A. Tinner" <bluewizard@*****.COM>
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> I was always under the impression that he was a regular old elf?
> I'd appreciate it if someone can give me a page reference where it states
> that Dodger is a Spike Baby.
>
> Steven A. Tinner

Steve, It was in one of the Shadowrun books, like, find your own truth, or
never deal with a dragon I think.....
Message no. 8
From: Raven <florian.goll@******.UNI-WEIMAR.DE>
Subject: Re: Dodger the Spike Baby?
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 10:06:28 +0200
Steven A. Tinner wrote:
>
> Where does this info come from?
> I know Sean Laverty and Ehran and the other elves in Never Trust and Elf
> are SB's, but where is it mentioned that Dodger is?
That's quite wrong spoiler Worlds without End)
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AFAIK Laverty, Ehran, Aina etc. are about 30.000 Years old. They belong
to the Earthdawn Books/Game. That plays in the last cycle of Magic
30.000 Years befor SR.
They are alll quite Powerful mages (Well, after 30.000 Years they could
be Initiates 1000).
Oh and btw In Harlequins Back it says that the big H has a natural
essence/magic rating of 8.

> I was always under the impression that he was a regular old elf?
> I'd appreciate it if someone can give me a page reference where it states
> that Dodger is a Spike Baby.
The Dodger knows a lot of the old Elves, so IMHO he must to be a spike
baby. Ithink it's written down somewhere, but I don't know where

----Raven
Message no. 9
From: "MARTIN E. GOTTHARD" <s457033@*******.GU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Dodger the Spike Baby?
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 22:19:59 +1000
> AFAIK Laverty, Ehran, Aina etc. are about 30.000 Years old. They belong
> to the Earthdawn Books/Game. That plays in the last cycle of Magic
> 30.000 Years befor SR.
> They are alll quite Powerful mages (Well, after 30.000 Years they could
> be Initiates 1000).
> Oh and btw In Harlequins Back it says that the big H has a natural
> essence/magic rating of 8.
>

They never rated Harlequin's stats, because anything that they rate a
player somewhere will find a way to kill.

Marty
Message no. 10
From: Mark Steedman <M.J.Steedman@***.RGU.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Dodger the Spike Baby?
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 14:32:36 GMT
Raven writes

> Steven A. Tinner wrote:
> >
> > Where does this info come from?
> > I know Sean Laverty and Ehran and the other elves in Never Trust and Elf
> > are SB's, but where is it mentioned that Dodger is?
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> AFAIK Laverty, Ehran, Aina etc. are about 30.000 Years old. They belong
> to the Earthdawn Books/Game. That plays in the last cycle of Magic
> 30.000 Years befor SR.
> They are alll quite Powerful mages (Well, after 30.000 Years they could
> be Initiates 1000).
No the age is about 7,900. The fifth age was about 5250 years long,
you can find the date for its end in 'Ehran to the Young Elven
Technologists' and the other ages are a similar length. The figure of
7,900 is just before the scourge in the fourth world. I have accurate
dates for most things somewhere, these elves are dated by the start
of the scourge in the fourth world and the note in HB putting them
over 7000 not over 8000 years old. Harlequin is a little older than
Ehran, Harlequin has socks older than Ehran (p50 Tir Taingire), so
probably by a year or so.

> Oh and btw In Harlequins Back it says that the big H has a natural
> essence/magic rating of 8.
>
There is a lot more data on dating things in there as well if you
know how everything fits together though FASA's dates don't seem to
exactly match the Mayan calander so accuratcies better than a few
years are tricky, even when dates or time periods are stated better
than to the nearest 100 years.

Mark
Message no. 11
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Dodger the Spike Baby?
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 16:58:22 +0100
|>Ehran? A Spike Baby???????
|>Nope. Defnatly not. No way. Never.
|>
|>Dodger and Laverty however, yes.
|>The entire foundation was formed specifically FOR spike babies, IIRC.
|
|As far as I know, Ehran is one of those wierd elves from the previous
|Awakening. He's practically immortal. (As in doesn't get old.)

Exactly. He isn't a spike baby, he was born during the 4th world.
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|u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk| "Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky?" |
|Andrew Halliwell | |
|Principal subjects in:- | "I think so brain, but this time, you control |
|Comp Sci & Electronics | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice..." |
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|GCv3.1 GCS/EL>$ d---(dpu) s+/- a- C++ U N++ o+ K- w-- M+/++ PS+++ PE- Y t+ |
|5++ X+/++ R+ tv+ b+ D G e>PhD h/h+ !r! !y-|I can't say F**K either now! :( |
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Message no. 12
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Dodger the Spike Baby?
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 16:59:27 +0100
|>Ehran? A Spike Baby???????
|>Nope. Defnatly not. No way. Never.
|>
|>Dodger and Laverty however, yes.
|>The entire foundation was formed specifically FOR spike babies, IIRC.
|
|As far as I know, Ehran is one of those wierd elves from the previous
|Awakening. He's practically immortal. (As in doesn't get old.)

Exactly. He was born during the 4th world, so, he's not a spike baby.
--
______________________________________________________________________________
|u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk| "Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky?" |
|Andrew Halliwell | |
|Principal subjects in:- | "I think so brain, but this time, you control |
|Comp Sci & Electronics | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice..." |
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|GCv3.1 GCS/EL>$ d---(dpu) s+/- a- C++ U N++ o+ K- w-- M+/++ PS+++ PE- Y t+ |
|5++ X+/++ R+ tv+ b+ D G e>PhD h/h+ !r! !y-|I can't say F**K either now! :( |
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Message no. 13
From: Raven <florian.goll@******.UNI-WEIMAR.DE>
Subject: Re: Dodger the Spike Baby?
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 10:34:32 +0200
MARTIN E. GOTTHARD wrote:

> They never rated Harlequin's stats, because anything that they rate a
> player somewhere will find a way to kill.

Can't find it now, but it says somewhere. Hey btw 8 is his essence
rating and H is old enough to have a much higher Nagic-rating than 8, so
its not his stats, its just a hint of how old and powerful he is.
Message no. 14
From: Mark Steedman <M.J.Steedman@***.RGU.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Dodger the Spike Baby?
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 09:56:54 GMT
Raven writes

> MARTIN E. GOTTHARD wrote:
>
> > They never rated Harlequin's stats, because anything that they rate a
> > player somewhere will find a way to kill.
>
'Harlequin' Master cast of shadows, Harlequins back.

> Can't find it now, but it says somewhere. Hey btw 8 is his essence
'The Bridge part one' Harlequins Back.

> rating and H is old enough to have a much higher Nagic-rating than 8, so
> its not his stats, its just a hint of how old and powerful he is.

'He is initiated to a double digit grade' [Harlequin, master cast of
shadows] This is probably 15 maybe as much as grade 30 but given an
ED adept is defined power wise by talents not numerical circle (that
merely gives access to them) the true 'sky highness' of this figure
is little indication.

Mark

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