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Message no. 1
From: Trollrunner@***.com Trollrunner@***.com
Subject: Dunkelzahn's death
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 17:32:45 EST
I have been looking for the canon info regarding this subject. Specifically
I was looking for the Portfolio of a Dragon and the first book of the Dragon
Heart Trilogy. I have had very little luck finding either (except once on
ebay for a ridiculous price). I can find snippets in some of the other
source books, but nothing concrete. So I was hoping somebody out there may
have an alternative source (website, summary info, other books with good
info). Or, if the above mentioned books are really that helpful, are they
worth the price?

Thanks for the help
Big Q
Message no. 2
From: Jonathan Choy jjchoy@*********.net
Subject: Dunkelzahn's death
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 17:38:42 -0500
----- Original Message -----
From: <Trollrunner@***.com>
To: <shadowrn@*********.com>
Sent: 29 November 2000 5:32 PM
Subject: Dunkelzahn's death


> I have been looking for the canon info regarding this subject.
Specifically
> I was looking for the Portfolio of a Dragon and the first book of the
Dragon
> Heart Trilogy. I have had very little luck finding either (except once on
> ebay for a ridiculous price). I can find snippets in some of the other
> source books, but nothing concrete. So I was hoping somebody out there
may
> have an alternative source (website, summary info, other books with good
> info). Or, if the above mentioned books are really that helpful, are they
> worth the price?
>
Depends what you have to pay for them. I got both of mine at list price, and
consider them well worth it. DragonHeart is a fairly good read, even if it
does have some ED recycling going on...

<PLUG>fof.net may have both in stock (my local game store support for the
year</plug>

Also, check bn.com - they may still have / be able to get the dragonheart
novels.

Of course, the last word in Dragonheart bk 3 makes the series worth it,
IMNSHO.


Tetsujin no Oni
Jonathan Choy
'Of course I feel dirty... I'm from the Horde!'
Message no. 3
From: Paul Collins paulcollins@*******.com
Subject: Dunkelzahn's death
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:15:13 +1100
----- Original Message -----
From: <Trollrunner@***.com>
To: <shadowrn@*********.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 9:32 AM
Subject: Dunkelzahn's death


> I have been looking for the canon info regarding this subject.
Specifically
> I was looking for the Portfolio of a Dragon and the first book of the
Dragon
> Heart Trilogy. I have had very little luck finding either (except once on
> ebay for a ridiculous price). I can find snippets in some of the other
> source books, but nothing concrete. So I was hoping somebody out there
may
> have an alternative source (website, summary info, other books with good
> info). Or, if the above mentioned books are really that helpful, are they
> worth the price?
>
> Thanks for the help
> Big Q

Try here.
http://www.milsims.com.au/

They have an online credit card purchase capability too. The three Dragon
Heart books are listed for about A$12.00 or so.


Annachie


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Message no. 4
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: Dunkelzahn's death
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 11:08:13 +0100
According to Jonathan Choy, on Wed, 29 Nov 2000 the word on the street was...

> Of course, the last word in Dragonheart bk 3 makes the series worth it,
> IMNSHO.

"Odom"?

;)

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Message no. 5
From: Jonathan Choy jjchoy@*********.net
Subject: Dunkelzahn's death
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 12:57:48 -0500
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
To: <shadowrn@*********.com>
Sent: 30 November 2000 5:08 AM
Subject: Re: Dunkelzahn's death


> According to Jonathan Choy, on Wed, 29 Nov 2000 the word on the street
was...
>
> > Of course, the last word in Dragonheart bk 3 makes the series worth it,
> > IMNSHO.
>
> "Odom"?

Huh?

Tetsujin no Oni
Jonathan Choy
'Of course I feel dirty... I'm from the Horde!'
Message no. 6
From: Jak Koke jak@****.org
Subject: Dunkelzahn's death
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:07:08 -1000
I believe you can Stranger Souls (DHS #1) on http://www.fasa.com, and
http://www.doordice.com I know it's out of print now and harder and harder
to find. That sucks.

Jak Koke
Writer (http://www.koke.org/jak/ )
Editor (http://www.thrillerdoctor.com )
Webmaster (http://www.webstudiojk.com )
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Message no. 7
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: Dunkelzahn's death
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 19:33:16 +0100
According to Jonathan Choy, on Thu, 30 Nov 2000 the word on the street was...

> > > Of course, the last word in Dragonheart bk 3 makes the series worth it,
> > > IMNSHO.
> >
> > "Odom"?
>
> Huh?

The last word in the last book of the Dragonheart Saga (at least, in the
copy I borrowed off Chipeloi) is "Odom" -- the very last page has an advert
for other SR novels, and on the last line it says ... *looks in book*

*embarrased pause*

Ahem, sorry, I looked in the wrong book this morning :) The last word in the
third book is actually "Smedman", in a similar advert to what I was talking
about above; the last line is "Blood Sport, by Lisa Smedman" -- so taken
literally, you feel that the book is worth it because the name Smedman is
in it :)

All that said, I'm amazed nobody's thwapped me yet for making that reply in
the first place... Where's this list coming to? :)

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Message no. 8
From: Jonathan Choy jjchoy@*********.net
Subject: Dunkelzahn's death
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 14:13:28 -0500
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
To: <shadowrn@*********.com>
Sent: 30 November 2000 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: Dunkelzahn's death


> According to Jonathan Choy, on Thu, 30 Nov 2000 the word on the street
was...
>
> > > > Of course, the last word in Dragonheart bk 3 makes the series worth
it,
> > > > IMNSHO.
> > >
> > > "Odom"?
> >
> > Huh?
>
> The last word in the last book of the Dragonheart Saga (at least, in the
> copy I borrowed off Chipeloi) is "Odom" -- the very last page has an
advert
> for other SR novels, and on the last line it says ... *looks in book*
>
> *embarrased pause*
>
> Ahem, sorry, I looked in the wrong book this morning :) The last word in
the
> third book is actually "Smedman", in a similar advert to what I was
talking
> about above; the last line is "Blood Sport, by Lisa Smedman" -- so taken
> literally, you feel that the book is worth it because the name Smedman is
> in it :)
>
> All that said, I'm amazed nobody's thwapped me yet for making that reply
in
> the first place... Where's this list coming to? :)
>
Obviously, I was referring to the last word in the author's portion of the
book, rather than the last word on the last page printed by Fasa. ;>

TOLMWAPPERs and fishes and a sub-orbital carp have been dispatched...

Tetsujin no Oni
Jonathan Choy
'Of course I feel dirty... do you have any idea how messy sub-orbital carp
are to load?'
Message no. 9
From: NeoJudas neojudas@******************.com
Subject: Dunkelzahn's death
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 16:28:54 -0500
From: "Jonathan Choy" <jjchoy@*********.net>
Subject: Re: Dunkelzahn's death


> From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
>
> > All that said, I'm amazed nobody's thwapped me yet for making that reply
> in
> > the first place... Where's this list coming to? :)
> >
> Obviously, I was referring to the last word in the author's portion of the
> book, rather than the last word on the last page printed by Fasa. ;>
>
> TOLMWAPPERs and fishes and a sub-orbital carp have been dispatched...

Nah.. save the ammunition Jonathan... Gurth's already been so thoroughly
blasted that the mere scent of it lingers around the stairs. Personally, I
think its part of his evil plan to horde the stairs to himself. Make
approaching them as impossible as you can, and let others do that work for
you (saves on cost overhead).

And Gurth... I'm sure there are others who are planning as well for
bombardment level retaliation... me, I'll scheme for a while... ;-)
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
J. Keith Henry ("K" "NeoJudas")
THREEH.COM (www.threeh.com)
Hoosier Hacker House (www.hoosierhackerhouse.com)
Message no. 10
From: NeoJudas neojudas@******************.com
Subject: Dunkelzahn's death
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 16:33:06 -0500
From: "Jak Koke" <jak@****.org>
Subject: Re: Dunkelzahn's death


> I believe you can Stranger Souls (DHS #1) on http://www.fasa.com, and
> http://www.doordice.com I know it's out of print now and harder and
harder
> to find. That sucks.
>
> Jak Koke

JAK!!!! Geesh guy, been wondering if you were still alive. Nice to see you
are!
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
J. Keith Henry ("K" "NeoJudas")
THREEH.COM (www.threeh.com)
Hoosier Hacker House (www.hoosierhackerhouse.com)
Message no. 11
From: Jak Koke (koke.org) jak@****.org
Subject: Dunkelzahn's death
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 12:48:00 -1000
> JAK!!!! Geesh guy, been wondering if you were still alive. Nice
> to see you
> are!


Not dead yet...

just busy. :)

--Jak

BTW, NeoJudas, let me know when your flash story is done. I'd like to take a
look.
Message no. 12
From: Patrick Goodman pgoodman13@************.com
Subject: Dunkelzahn's death
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 12:02:44 -0600
From: Gurth
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 8:04 PM

> All that said, I'm amazed nobody's thwapped me yet for making
> that reply in the first place... Where's this list coming to? :)

Some of us have been away for a while.

*THWAP!*

--
Patrick Goodman
"We say atoms are bound by weak attractors. Why not admit the truth: The
universe is held together by love."
-- Michio Von Kerr, Wayist Physicist
(from GENE RODDENBERRY'S ANDROMEDA)
Message no. 13
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Hahns Shin)
Subject: Dunkelzahn's death
Date: Tue Apr 16 14:45:00 2002
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It was my understanding that Ghostwalker is actually Icewing, Dunkelzahn's
brother, also known as Puppetmaster, and several other dragon names.
Dunkelzahn (Mountainshadow) and Ghostwalker (Icewing) are both descended
from All-Wings, and they have a special bond as such. Probably the rift
created by Dunkelzahn's death "called" out to Ghostwalker's lost soul (lost
in some elemental plane, no doubt) so that he could find his way back to
Earth. The physical description of Ghostwalker is very similar to Icewing,
and the comments from the other great dragons, as well as his use of spirits
and other manifestations, seem to verify.

Dunkelzahn is not totally "dead", as it were... it is implied at the end of
the Dragonheart trilogy that he reincarnated as the spirit Lethe, the
current owner of the orichalcum focus known as the Dragon Heart (created by
Dunkelzahn when he died). This is very confusing for people who haven't read
the novels, so I'll just leave it at that. Suffice to say, this closed the
door on any looming "Horror invasion" plotline that may surface, though some
of the Horrors did manage to escape into Earth.

Hahns Shin, MS II
Budding cybersurgeon

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Message no. 14
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Downtym)
Subject: Dunkelzahn's death
Date: Tue Apr 16 15:05:01 2002
On Tue, 16 Apr 2002, Hahns Shin wrote:

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> It was my understanding that Ghostwalker is actually Icewing, Dunkelzahn's
> brother, also known as Puppetmaster, and several other dragon names.
> Dunkelzahn (Mountainshadow) and Ghostwalker (Icewing) are both descended
> from All-Wings, and they have a special bond as such. Probably the rift
> created by Dunkelzahn's death "called" out to Ghostwalker's lost soul (lost
> in some elemental plane, no doubt) so that he could find his way back to
> Earth. The physical description of Ghostwalker is very similar to Icewing,
> and the comments from the other great dragons, as well as his use of spirits
> and other manifestations, seem to verify.
>
> Dunkelzahn is not totally "dead", as it were... it is implied at the end of
> the Dragonheart trilogy that he reincarnated as the spirit Lethe, the
> current owner of the orichalcum focus known as the Dragon Heart (created by
> Dunkelzahn when he died). This is very confusing for people who haven't read
> the novels, so I'll just leave it at that. Suffice to say, this closed the
> door on any looming "Horror invasion" plotline that may surface, though
some
> of the Horrors did manage to escape into Earth.

I'm currently using "Chantrel's Horror" as my own personal plot device
at the moment. My players keep asking me if I wanted to have an early
Halloween or something like that.

Downtym |
Email: gte138j@*****.gatech.edu | Post no bills
Message no. 15
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Aethelwulf)
Subject: Dunkelzahn's death
Date: Tue Apr 16 21:00:02 2002
-----Original Message-----
From: shadowrn-admin@*********.com
[mailto:shadowrn-admin@*********.com]On Behalf Of Hahns Shin
Sent: April 16, 2002 12:45 PM
To: shadowrn@*********.com
Subject: Re: Dunkelzahn's death


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where did you get the info on ghostwalker (icewing)? and Mountainshadow as
one of Dunkie's names that he hasn't shared?
Message no. 16
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Chris Beilby)
Subject: Dunkelzahn's death
Date: Tue Apr 16 21:10:01 2002
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> where did you get the info on ghostwalker (icewing)? and Mountainshadow as
> one of Dunkie's names that he hasn't shared?
>
>

That would most likely be from somewhere in Earthdawn.
Message no. 17
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Bryan Pow)
Subject: Dunkelzahn's death
Date: Tue Apr 16 23:20:01 2002
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> where did you get the info on ghostwalker (icewing)? and Mountainshadow as
> one of Dunkie's names that he hasn't shared?

>From Earthdawn, most specifically the Dragons sourcebook. In that book a dragon named
Mountainshadow, who's description is close to Dunk's, has an agent called Dark Tooth. Dark
Tooth in german is dunkel zahn.

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Message no. 18
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Benjamin John Hayes)
Subject: Dunkelzahn's death
Date: Wed Apr 17 00:40:01 2002
> >From Earthdawn, most specifically the Dragons sourcebook. In that
book a dragon named Mountainshadow, who's description is close to
Dunk's, has an agent called Dark Tooth. Dark Tooth in german is dunkel
zahn.

It's also hinted that Dark Tooth is in fact Mountainshadow in
disguise.

Ben the Chunky Dwarf
TDoW
Message no. 19
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: Dunkelzahn's death
Date: Wed Apr 17 05:25:04 2002
According to Aethelwulf, on Wed, 17 Apr 2002 the word on the street was...

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> where did you get the info on ghostwalker (icewing)? and Mountainshadow
> as one of Dunkie's names that he hasn't shared?

From the Earthdawn main rulebook (the first (FASA) edition anyway; I
haven't looked at the second), it's pretty clear that Dunkelzahn is the
Sixth World name of the ED dragon Mountainshadow -- in the latter's
description, it states that Mountainshadow has a "human agent" named Dark
Tooth. Translate that into German, and you get ... precisely.

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