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Message no. 1
From: "J.D. Falk" <jdfalk@***.GWU.EDU>
Subject: Educational Institutions
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1993 00:58:29 -0500
This discussion about educational institutions has cought my
fancy, you might say. I find it interesting, in other words.
In a discussion with Eric Trager, who knows much more about
Shadowrun history & such than I do, we came up with these ideas:
1 -- Corp wage slaves don't really need any education outside of
what the corp gives 'em.
2 -- Very few corps will employ enough neurosurgeons, as an
example, to have a complete neurosurgery training facility. For this,
either a number of corps will share it, or (more likely, really) it will
be independant -- perhaps where the National Institutes of Health is now
(Bethesda, Maryland, near Washington, D.C.) Other specialties would be
dealt with in much the same way.

So, the large colleges and such will probably have continued more
or less as before, as long as they could handle the governmental changes
(for example, Harvard is more likely to last than the University of
Maryland.) The smaller private places and the suddenly unfunded public
universities will probably have either closed up and been forgotten,
merged with other places nearby, or sold their campus, supplies, and
probably facuilty to a corp.
On the other hand, some of the governmentally-funded institutions
may _still_ be governmentally funded, serving much the same purpose as the
corp schools.

What do y'all think? I know most people are set NOMAIL right now,
or are just letting their boxes clutter (right, Fearless Leader?), so I'll
repost this later if my interest keeps up.

"Education with inert ideas is not only useless;
it is, above all things, harmful." -Alfred North Whitehead
/-----------------------------------\
| J.D. Falk -- jdfalk@***.gwu.edu |
| (They done educated me real good) |
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Message no. 2
From: The Deb Decker <RJR96326@****.UTULSA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Educational Institutions
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1993 19:30:48 -0600
> 1 -- Corp wage slaves don't really need any education outside of
>what the corp gives 'em.


As I said before, people will be hired for those skills not easily
duplicated by machines (such as the ability to screen vistors, for
secretarial types).

> On the other hand, some of the governmentally-funded institutions
>may _still_ be governmentally funded, serving much the same purpose as the
>corp schools.

Or they may be getting funding from corps/governments anyway. The
University of Washington (whi is a HUGE school) is mentioned several
times in Shadowrun background materials, I believe, and it is a public
institution.

These smaller instituions won't die out either, neccesarily. They will find
a new demographic, such as those who cannot gain access (due to deficient
skills, lack of resources, or blatant discrimination, among other things).

Also, I believe that while the traditional concept of the classroom may
cease to exist, teachers will remain important, serving as guides to
and through information. Given the data glut of the coming century, I think
navigating through all the available information will be best accomplished
with experienced guides.


J Roberson
Message no. 3
From: Joseph Cotton <Joseph.Cotton@*******.OIT.UNC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Educational Institutions
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1993 08:35:03 EST
J Roberson writes:

>
> Also, I believe that while the traditional concept of the classroom may
> cease to exist, teachers will remain important, serving as guides to
> and through information. Given the data glut of the coming century, I think
> navigating through all the available information will be best accomplished
> with experienced guides.
>

As an aside, Shadowbeat (in the section on simsense) speaks of simsense
chips taken from students attending lectures, to enable people to take
a sort of "virtual class."

Joe Cotton
Joseph.Cotton@*******.oit.unc.edu
Message no. 4
From: The Deb Decker <RJR96326@****.UTULSA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Educational Institutions
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1993 19:20:18 -0600
>As an aside, Shadowbeat (in the section on simsense) speaks of simsense
>chips taken from students attending lectures, to enable people to take
>a sort of "virtual class."

The problem with that is that, if it's just a recording, there's no guidance.
The student watching on playback can't ask quesitons, and must be content
with those that were asked by the recorded class (which can be pretty lame
considering some of the classes I've been in, though I'm ure they would
only record the best). The medium of delivery is irrelevant; what's important
is that it be interactive.


J Roberson
Message no. 5
From: Joseph Cotton <Joseph.Cotton@*******.OIT.UNC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Educational Institutions
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1993 09:19:59 EST
The Deb Decker writes:

[I mention simsense class lecture chips.]

> The problem with that is that, if it's just a recording, there's no guidance.
> The student watching on playback can't ask quesitons, and must be content
> with those that were asked by the recorded class (which can be pretty lame
> considering some of the classes I've been in, though I'm ure they would
> only record the best). The medium of delivery is irrelevant; what's important
> is that it be interactive.
>

Well, I wasn't offering this up as "proof" that regular classes aren't
needed - if for no other reason, someone obviously needed to take the
class in the first place. But these would be no less interactive than
classes by TV (available now), or correspondence courses, and might
be slightly more effective than either of those. For example, fewer
distractions as you are able to immerse yourself in the lecture, even
though you're at home.

Joe Cotton
Joseph.Cotton@*******.oit.unc.edu
Message no. 6
From: "C. Paul Douglas" <granite@********.CLARK.NET>
Subject: Re: Educational Institutions
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1993 14:32:37 -0500
On Wed, 22 Dec 1993, Joseph Cotton wrote:

, fewer
> distractions as you are able to immerse yourself in the lecture, even
> though you're at home.

I think it would be even more effective than some seem to realize -
afterall the simsense chip could be made by some of the greatest minds
of the time..and as i understand simsense this might not simply be a dry
lecture on a mind video tape but, something more akin to a true
understanding of the subject being brought up on the chip......
----------------GRANITE

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