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Message no. 1
From: Shane Courtrille <hardware@*******.DATANET.AB.CA>
Subject: Re: FASA Being Sold? Semi-OOC?
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 22:23:57 +0000
>Actually, I for one, do not believe that WOTC is financially in a
>position to buy out FASA. Buying out FASA would be entirely more
>financially straining then buying out TSR. TSR, is needy. They
>_need_to be bought to survive. FASA has done a extraordinary job
>with their licensing and I'm sure the royalties they receive are
>fair. With FASA's new interactive company, it looks like they are
>doing well, and are financially healthy.

Then you really do not understand the amount of money WOTC is
bringing in through sales of Magic, and now Legend of the five rings,
and soon TSR items. WOTC has already bought TSR and then another
company. Money is not the issue for them.. they are planning on
taking over the people that make Warhammer.. which is a pretty
massive company...

most people give them a year before they'll finally get it...
Shane Courtrille - hardware@*******.ab.ca

Being in love... What a trip...
Message no. 2
From: Charles R Joseph <arcaneacuity@****.COM>
Subject: Re: FASA Being Sold? Semi-OOC?
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 02:27:27 -0400
On Sun, 6 Jul 1997 22:23:57 +0000 Shane Courtrille
<hardware@*******.DATANET.AB.CA> writes:
>Then you really do not understand the amount of money WOTC is
>bringing in through sales of Magic, and now Legend of the five rings,
>and soon TSR items. WOTC has already bought TSR and then another
>company. Money is not the issue for them.. they are planning on
>taking over the people that make Warhammer.. which is a pretty
>massive company...

What other company? I haven't been paying atttention lately.
TSR was an easy buy because the company was bankrupt.
The chances of ANYONE taking over GDW are very, very low. GDW
are the closest thing in the gaming industry to nazis, aggressively
crushing competing companies. I don't see them selling out to a softy
company like WotC.

>most people give them a year before they'll finally get it...
>Shane Courtrille - hardware@*******.ab.ca

If they did, I'd consider it an act of heroism on the part of
WotC...or of self-corruption. GSW is on my list of top five most evil
game companies.


Winter Wolfe Arcane
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Message no. 3
From: "Steven A. Tinner" <bluewizard@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: FASA Being Sold? Semi-OOC?
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 03:08:02 -0400
> The chances of ANYONE taking over GDW are very, very low. GDW
> are the closest thing in the gaming industry to nazis, aggressively
> crushing competing companies. I don't see them selling out to a softy
> company like WotC.

Umm ... I think you're referring to GM - Games Workshop.
The UK miniatures people right?

GDW was Game Designers Workshop, makers of Traveller, Twilight 2000, the
excellent Challenge Magazine, and the SR ripoff Dark Conspiracy.
They also happen to be defunct, bankrupt and gone.

And since we're all bandying about rumors like a bunch of old maids
gossiping, rumor has it that GW IS in trouble, due to their EVIL pricing
practices.

Steven A. Tinner
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Message no. 4
From: Charles R Joseph <arcaneacuity@****.COM>
Subject: Re: FASA Being Sold? Semi-OOC?
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 03:33:45 -0400
On Thu, 17 Jul 1997 03:08:02 -0400 "Steven A. Tinner"
<bluewizard@*****.COM> writes:
>> The chances of ANYONE taking over GDW are very, very low.
>>GDW are the closest thing in the gaming industry to nazis, aggressively
>> crushing competing companies. I don't see them selling out to a
>>softy company like WotC.
>
>Umm ... I think you're referring to GM - Games Workshop.
>The UK miniatures people right?

Oops...yeah...I almost always get those names confused.

>GDW was Game Designers Workshop, makers of Traveller, Twilight 2000,
>the excellent Challenge Magazine, and the SR ripoff Dark Conspiracy.
>They also happen to be defunct, bankrupt and gone.

Yup...life sucks, doesn't it?

>And since we're all bandying about rumors like a bunch of old maids
>gossiping, rumor has it that GW IS in trouble, due to their EVIL
>pricing
>practices.

Yeah...they are catching flak, though I'm not sure how serious it
is. I do know that some of their practices are in the grey area of
legality, and for the most part just plain underhanded. That's another
reason I doubt anyone would want to buy them...who would want to buy a
company with that much legal baggage?


Winter Wolfe Arcane
arcaneacuity@****.com

"When our hatred is violent, it sinks us even beneath those we hate."
Message no. 5
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: FASA Being Sold? Semi-OOC?
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 03:44:05 -0400
At 02:27 AM 7/17/97 -0400, Charles R Joseph wrote these timeless words:

> What other company? I haven't been paying atttention lately.
>TSR was an easy buy because the company was bankrupt.
> The chances of ANYONE taking over GDW are very, very low. GDW
>are the closest thing in the gaming industry to nazis, aggressively
>crushing competing companies. I don't see them selling out to a softy
>company like WotC.
>
Actually, as a small note here... It isn;t GDW, it's GW... Games Workshop. And while I
seriously expect GW to run into marketing problems within the year (They're REALLY making
some bad marketing moves, such as hideous price hikes, self distributorship, and now they
require game store to buy specific blister packs in lots of 6 (as in, 6 High Elf Mages).
This is REALLY making things difficult for smaller game stores), I doubt they'll ever sell
out. The company is STILL making money hand over fist, and their mainstream games
(Warhammer and 40K) have hit an all time high in popularity in the US.

GDW, on the other hand was Games Designers Workshop. They put out smaller games like Dark
Conspiracy, and even published some novels, such as Stackpole's Dark Conspiracy novels.
They went out of business a few years ago when the gaming market started to falter, though
most of their products have since found their way into other companies hands...

And While I can buy the fact that WOTC has their eyes on others in the business,
especially GW, I doubt that they will manage to get the companies. If these companies
were "public", with stocks and such, I could see a hostile takeover/buyout
taking place, but as things stand now...

I also know WHY WOTC wants a company like GW. Miniatures. They have the largest card
game, and have recently acquired the dying giant of the RPG world. Now they want a
different branch. miniatures, and more specifically, a Miniatures Game.

This may also be the reason they are interested in FASA, if they truly are. Battletech.
It's a game that they don;t have yet. But i don;t think they'll get it. their best bet,
if they want a Mini's company, is Ral Partha. RP has lost a LOT over the years to GW and
the other newer companies. The standard in Fanatasy Mini's has grown from the old 25mm
scale, which RP still makes minis for, to the larger 28-30mm used by GW's Citadel
Miniatures, Marauder Miniatures (I believe an old subdivision of Citadel), Heartbreaker,
and most of the newer companies. Also, compared to most of GW's mini's, RP's are lacking
a LOT of detail...

Of course, they're still a good deal cheaper...:]

Anyways, That's my 2 bits on the whole situation, yet again...;]

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Message no. 6
From: Shane Courtrille <hardware@*******.DATANET.AB.CA>
Subject: Re: FASA Being Sold? Semi-OOC?
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 01:59:42 +0000
> On Sun, 6 Jul 1997 22:23:57 +0000 Shane Courtrille
> <hardware@*******.DATANET.AB.CA> writes:
> >Then you really do not understand the amount of money WOTC is
> >bringing in through sales of Magic, and now Legend of the five rings,
> >and soon TSR items. WOTC has already bought TSR and then another
> >company. Money is not the issue for them.. they are planning on
> >taking over the people that make Warhammer.. which is a pretty
> >massive company...
>
> What other company? I haven't been paying atttention lately.
> TSR was an easy buy because the company was bankrupt.
<snip>
> crushing competing companies. I don't see them selling out to a softy
> company like WotC.

WOTC bought out AEG, who AFAIK own'ed Shadis magazine, and Legend of
the 5 Rings which is another fairly large card game.. biggest
competition Magic had at least... and if you think WotC is a softly..
*chuckle* I betcha they said the same thing about Microsoft when it
first started :)

Shane Courtrille - hardware@*******.ab.ca

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Message no. 7
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: FASA Being Sold? Semi-OOC?
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 12:39:43 +0100
Charles R Joseph said on 2:27/17 Jul 97...

> >[WotC] are planning on
> >taking over the people that make Warhammer.. which is a pretty
> >massive company...
>
[snip]
> The chances of ANYONE taking over GDW are very, very low. GDW
> are the closest thing in the gaming industry to nazis, aggressively
> crushing competing companies. I don't see them selling out to a softy
> company like WotC.

Don't you mean GW, i.e. Games Workshop, instead of Game Designers
Workshop (GDW)? The former is the big British company from Nottingham,
(in)famous for the Warhammer series and, through Citadel, a HUGE range of
metal and plastic figures with weird body proportions; the latter used to
publish wargames and RPGs such as Traveller and Twilight: 2000, but went
bankrupt in January 1996. I don't think anyone would want to take over
GDW, for starters because AFAIK it doesn't exist anymore...

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Message no. 8
From: Michael Broadwater <mbroadwa@*******.GLENAYRE.COM>
Subject: Re: FASA Being Sold? Semi-OOC?
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 09:55:44 -0500
At 03:08 AM 7/17/97 -0400, Steven A. Tinner wrote:

>GDW was Game Designers Workshop, makers of Traveller, Twilight 2000, the
>excellent Challenge Magazine, and the SR ripoff Dark Conspiracy.


Whoa...back the truck up. The what? Have you ever played Dark Conspiracy?
If you're going to say that DC is a rip off of Sr, then perhaps you better
mention how Sr is a rip off of Cyberpunk and AD&D. Or are you just
mindlessly rude?



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Message no. 9
From: "M. Sean Martinez" <ElBandit@***.COM>
Subject: Re: FASA Being Sold? Semi-OOC?
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 11:30:11 -0400
In a message dated 97-07-17 11:08:55 EDT, you write:

<< And since we're all bandying about rumors like a bunch of old maids
gossiping, rumor has it that GW IS in trouble, due to their EVIL pricing
practices. >>

I haven't heard the rumors about GW's troubles. So what is the latest scoop?

-Bandit
Message no. 10
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: FASA Being Sold? Semi-OOC?
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 15:35:04 -0400
At 11:30 AM 7/17/97 -0400, M. Sean Martinez wrote these timeless words:
>In a message dated 97-07-17 11:08:55 EDT, you write:
>
><< And since we're all bandying about rumors like a bunch of old maids
> gossiping, rumor has it that GW IS in trouble, due to their EVIL pricing
> practices. >>
>
>I haven't heard the rumors about GW's troubles. So what is the latest scoop?
>
At the moment, GW doesn't have any true problems... But they DO have a lot of pissed off
players who are desperately looking for Miniatures Elsewhere for the games...

GW has been doing some really BAD things... Like raising the price of EVERY blister pack
of mini's 50 cents, and raising all their boxed sets 10% across the board. plus some of
their newer mini's have some rediculous prices, like the Green Knight. It's a REALLY cool
looking and nicely done, but at $20.00 for a single mounted mini, it's hideously
overpriced...:(

They have also stopped making or supporting several of their "smaller" games,
such as their Warhammer Quest and Blood Bowl games, which has frustrated the gamers for
those games.

Plus, they went to direct distributorship, and then required a certain amount to be
ordered, thus makig it near impossible for smaller shops to afford the mini's, thus they
stopped carrying them.

And now, GW is requiring stores to buy the newer blister packs in lots of 6, per blister.
thus, a store has to buy 6 Elf Mage blisters...:( This is really becoming a problem for
the stores and gamers alike.

However, Warhamemr products have reached an all time high in popularity in the US, which
is part of the reason GW is getting greedy.

Hopefully, GW will learn from TSR's mistakes. Otherwise, the giant of the Mini Industry
could find itself needing rescued, in which case I can definately see WOTC bailing them
out.

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Message no. 11
From: "Bruce H. Nagel" <NAGELBH@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU>
Subject: Re: FASA Being Sold? Semi-OOC?
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 19:32:54 -0500
You wrote:
> Whoa...back the truck up. The what? Have you ever played Dark Conspiracy?
> If you're going to say that DC is a rip off of Sr, then perhaps you better
> mention how Sr is a rip off of Cyberpunk and AD&D. Or are you just
> mindlessly rude?
And DC is definitely not a ripoff of SR anyway, that's plain silly.

losthalo
Message no. 12
From: Glenn Munro <eazy@*****.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: FASA Being Sold? Semi-OOC?
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 20:54:18 +1000
Bull wrote:
>>In a message dated 97-07-17 11:08:55 EDT, you write:
>>
>><< And since we're all bandying about rumors like a bunch of old maids
>> gossiping, rumor has it that GW IS in trouble, due to their EVIL pricing
>> practices. >>

>At the moment, GW doesn't have any true problems... But they DO have a
lot of pissed off players who are desperately looking for Miniatures
Elsewhere for the games...

One company I've found is Enigma Miniatures (based in Canada). The do some
minis the right scale and feel for GW games. They plan to release BloodBowl
Minis as well. The stuff I bought was 1/3 the price of GW (yes that is
correct 1/3 the price). Decent quality too and should get better.

>
>GW has been doing some really BAD things... Like raising the price of
EVERY blister pack of mini's 50 cents, and raising all their boxed sets 10%
across the board. plus some of their newer mini's have some rediculous
prices, like the Green Knight. It's a REALLY cool looking and nicely done,
but at $20.00 for a single mounted mini, it's hideously overpriced...:(
>
>They have also stopped making or supporting several of their "smaller"
games, such as their Warhammer Quest and Blood Bowl games, which has
frustrated the gamers for those games.
>
>Plus, they went to direct distributorship, and then required a certain
amount to be ordered, thus makig it near impossible for smaller shops to
afford the mini's, thus they stopped carrying them.
>
>And now, GW is requiring stores to buy the newer blister packs in lots of
6, per blister. thus, a store has to buy 6 Elf Mage blisters...:( This is
really becoming a problem for the stores and gamers alike.
>

You forgot the bit how when a stores figures go above a certain point they
then decide to open a GW store nearby thus leaving the real gamestore in
the cold (but giving them the nifty title of 'support store')

>
>However, Warhamemr products have reached an all time high in popularity in
the US, which is part of the reason GW is getting greedy.
>
>Hopefully, GW will learn from TSR's mistakes. Otherwise, the giant of the
Mini Industry could find itself needing rescued, in which case I can
definately see WOTC bailing them out.
>

They better learn quick. From what I've seen this won't happen and WOTC
takes another step towards becoming a megacorp ;)

Quickfix

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The man who bought it did not use it;
The man who used it did not know it.
Message no. 13
From: "M. Sean Martinez" <ElBandit@***.COM>
Subject: Re: FASA Being Sold? Semi-OOC?
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 10:15:30 -0400
In a message dated 97-07-18 04:03:51 EDT, you write:

>At the moment, GW doesn't have any true problems... But they DO have a lot
of >pissed off players who are desperately looking for Miniatures Elsewhere
for the >games...

But the players still buy the figures. I see it all the time in the store I
used to run. "Bob" would come in and complain about the prices, but still buy
the figures.

Though, I have noticed that some players are getting alternative figures for
their armies, not as many in my area. (About 1 out of 25 players)

The clone figures produced by several other companies could pose a problem
for GWUS, so I do see your point.

>GW has been doing some really BAD things... Like raising the price of EVERY
>blister pack of mini's 50 cents, and raising all their boxed sets 10% across
the >board. plus some of their newer mini's have some rediculous prices,
like the Green >Knight. It's a REALLY cool looking and nicely done, but at
$20.00 for a single >mounted mini, it's hideously overpriced...:(

The price increase doesn't really bother me that much, since their figures
are always the best quality. Lead/pewter I do not mind paying for, but their
plastics are really over priced.

>They have also stopped making or supporting several of their "smaller"
games, >such as their Warhammer Quest and Blood Bowl games....

Blood bowl is coming back. I am not sure what's going on with Warhammer
quest, but I have heard that they have some new stuff for it coming out at
the begining of next year.

>Plus, they went to direct distributorship, and then required a certain
amount to be >ordered, thus makig it near impossible for smaller shops to
afford the mini's, thus >they stopped carrying them.

Games Work shop had to go to direct distributorship to survive. When magic
was at its peek in '94, Games Workshop would call their distributors and be
told "No, we don't need your product, magic is making our money for us." (I
got this from David Kingston who used to work at GWUS in the trade sales
relations office, as head of the department.) If they hadn't, GWUS would be
almost gone now.

I will admit that the $500 minimum order can be a bit steep for some shops,
but the average GWUS player will have to sppend $300+ to get their armies. If
the shops can not meet the minimum once a month, then truthfully they will do
better carring something else. My shop finally got to the point where most of
our customers were dealing on the internet, buying at cost, so we droped the
line.

Also, GWUS products are available to distributors, they just get the same
deal that retailers do, so they could carry them. I believe greenfield and
armory carry the line.

>And now, GW is requiring stores to buy the newer blister packs in lots of 6,
per >blister....

Yeah, I know. I understand that GW wants everyone to carry the full rack, but
I think they should create line fillers as opposed to having shops ordering
entire sleeves.

>However, Warhamemr products have reached an all time high in popularity in
the >US, which is part of the reason GW is getting greedy.

Let's face it, they admit that they are in it to make money. I would be too.

>Hopefully, GW will learn from TSR's mistakes. Otherwise, the giant of the
Mini >Industry could find itself needing rescued, in which case I can
definately see WOTC >bailing them out.

TSR made many other mistakes, like ticking off their distribtors at GenCon
one year or how about hiring friends to sit and shuffle papers. My favorite
was when TSR was building their new office, sold the old before the new one
was completed, only to rent it back for 3 months from the new owners.

-Bandit
Message no. 14
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: FASA Being Sold? Semi-OOC?
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 17:16:44 -0400
At 10:15 AM 7/18/97 -0400, M. Sean Martinez wrote these timeless words:
>In a message dated 97-07-18 04:03:51 EDT, you write:
>
>>At the moment, GW doesn't have any true problems... But they DO have a lot
>of >pissed off players who are desperately looking for Miniatures Elsewhere
>for the >games...
>
>But the players still buy the figures. I see it all the time in the store I
>used to run. "Bob" would come in and complain about the prices, but still
buy
>the figures.
>
Agreed... I still buy *some* figures, despite the attrocious cost.
However, I've passed on quite a few neat mini's that I would have otherwise
bought for various reasons. The Green Knight, for example. I could think
of a dozen fun conversions to do to the thing to make it a cool Empire
General or a great mutated Chaos Knight, or even a Champion (I play Empire,
Chaos, and Chaos Dwarves, so...;)). But at $20.00, it wasn't worth it...

>Though, I have noticed that some players are getting alternative figures for
>their armies, not as many in my area. (About 1 out of 25 players)
>
>The clone figures produced by several other companies could pose a problem
>for GWUS, so I do see your point.
>
The problem now is hat there aren't enough of the clone figures available
yet, and the ones that are out there are hard to find. And of course if
you want to play in any official GW tourney... YOu have to have official
GW mini's...

>>GW has been doing some really BAD things... Like raising the price of EVERY
>>blister pack of mini's 50 cents, and raising all their boxed sets 10% across
>the >board. plus some of their newer mini's have some rediculous prices,
>like the Green >Knight. It's a REALLY cool looking and nicely done, but at
>$20.00 for a single >mounted mini, it's hideously overpriced...:(
>
>The price increase doesn't really bother me that much, since their figures
>are always the best quality. Lead/pewter I do not mind paying for, but their
>plastics are really over priced.
>
I think they are ALL getting overpriced. it wasn't so bad a year ago, but
they've started making their boxed sets smaller and more expensive, and
raising the price on their new blisters. hell, the game shop near me, when
I started putting my Empire army together earlier this year, had a couple
of the old Emp Morters. They were 5 bucks. They just got in a bunch of
the new Morter that GW did. I don;t think it's any nicer than the old one,
but it still cost $9.50! That's almost double the price!!

But you're right, the plastics cost almost as much as the metal mini's
anymore, and that's just ridiculous...

>>They have also stopped making or supporting several of their "smaller"
>games, >such as their Warhammer Quest and Blood Bowl games....
>
>Blood bowl is coming back. I am not sure what's going on with Warhammer
>quest, but I have heard that they have some new stuff for it coming out at
>the begining of next year.
>
Yeah, But I think BB os ONLY making a come back because there are a LOT of
fans out there with net access, and they've been pestering Jervis Johnson
about it ever since it got discontinued. hell, the Blood Bowl mailing list
got almost as much traffic as this one while I was on it...

As for WHQ, there is some support for it, but it's minimal. And GW has
been promising more support for the game for a long time now, and all we've
seen in a year was the Brettonian Knight...

>>Plus, they went to direct distributorship, and then required a certain
>amount to be >ordered, thus makig it near impossible for smaller shops to
>afford the mini's, thus >they stopped carrying them.
>
>I will admit that the $500 minimum order can be a bit steep for some shops,
>but the average GWUS player will have to sppend $300+ to get their armies. If
>the shops can not meet the minimum once a month, then truthfully they will do
>better carring something else. My shop finally got to the point where most of
>our customers were dealing on the internet, buying at cost, so we droped the
>line.
>
I don;t agree here... Yeah, 300+ bucks for an army sounds right, but a lot
of people don't go out an blow taht much at one time. they can't afford
to. most people buy the boxed set, some support mini's for the army of
their choice, and use the basic figs from the boxed set as whatever is
needed until they can pick up more figs for their army. hell, I still use
a lot of Empire and Chaos knights from the old Battlemasters game.

Plus, most stores around here don;t carry WH mini's as major line, or
mini's in general. tehre's only one out of 4 that has enough of a customer
base to really stock the figures. But the other stores DID make some money
from selling the Mini's before, and since they were closer for me, it was
nice to be able to pick up a few new figs from the store around the corner.

By requiring a minimum purchase of mini's, a lot of the stores lost a small
corner of their market by not being able to stock the figs. EVen a couple
hundred bucks a month can make a big difference in a small game shop's
profits... And we really only have small game shops out here.

>>However, Warhamemr products have reached an all time high in popularity in
>the >US, which is part of the reason GW is getting greedy.
>
>Let's face it, they admit that they are in it to make money. I would be too.
>
Agreed... But when you start sacrificing your players in the name of
profit.., that's the road to destruction...:] TSR did the same thing.
Look at how many people here vehemently hate TSR and everything related to
them!

>>Hopefully, GW will learn from TSR's mistakes. Otherwise, the giant of the
>Mini >Industry could find itself needing rescued, in which case I can
>definately see WOTC >bailing them out.
>
>TSR made many other mistakes, like ticking off their distribtors at GenCon
>one year or how about hiring friends to sit and shuffle papers. My favorite
>was when TSR was building their new office, sold the old before the new one
>was completed, only to rent it back for 3 months from the new owners.
>
Agreed... But GW is quicklymaking similar mistakes, and it's costing them
some of their old player base. It's going to cost them, and cost them big,
soon...

>-Bandit
>
Bull
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Message no. 15
From: Tim Cooper <z-i-m@****.COM>
Subject: Re: FASA Being Sold? Semi-OOC?
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 17:15:28 EDT
On Fri, 18 Jul 1997 20:54:18 +1000 Glenn Munro <eazy@*****.COM.AU>
writes:
>The man who made it did not want it;
>The man who bought it did not use it;
>The man who used it did not know it.

Unless he was a vampire..
Message no. 16
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: FASA Being Sold? Semi-OOC?
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 22:19:14 +0100
|
|On Fri, 18 Jul 1997 20:54:18 +1000 Glenn Munro <eazy@*****.COM.AU>
|writes:
|>The man who made it did not want it;
|>The man who bought it did not use it;
|>The man who used it did not know it.

DAMN I hate riddles....
Especially ones I knew (and later forgot) the answers to....
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Message no. 17
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: FASA Being Sold? Semi-OOC?
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 22:24:06 +0100
|
||
||On Fri, 18 Jul 1997 20:54:18 +1000 Glenn Munro <eazy@*****.COM.AU>
||writes:
||>The man who made it did not want it;
||>The man who bought it did not use it;
||>The man who used it did not know it.
|
|DAMN I hate riddles....
|Especially ones I knew (and later forgot) the answers to....

Errr..... Poison????
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|u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk| "Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky?" |
|Andrew Halliwell | |
|Principal subjects in:- | "I think so brain, but this time, you control |
|Comp Sci & Electronics | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice..." |
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|GCv3.1 GCS/EL>$ d---(dpu) s+/- a- C++ U N++ o+ K- w-- M+/++ PS+++ PE- Y t+ |
|5++ X+/++ R+ tv+ b+ D G e>PhD h/h+ !r! !y-|I can't say F**K either now! :( |
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Message no. 18
From: Matb <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: FASA Being Sold? Semi-OOC?
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 17:24:24 -0500
>>The man who made it did not want it;
>>The man who bought it did not use it;
>>The man who used it did not know it.
>
>Unless he was a vampire..


dingdingding.. we have ourselves a winnah!

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