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Message no. 1
From: Bull bull@***********.com
Subject: FASA Site Down? (GC RAVE)
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 19:21:27 -0500
At 06:27 PM 11/22/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Once upon a time, Drew Curtis wrote;
>
> The key phrase there was announcement. I have no idea how much was
>done before the announcement was made.

Exactly... From what I've seen/heard/deduced, this deal was in the works
for at least a couple of months before it was initially announced. It was
possibly a mistake on the part of Decipher/FASA to announce everything
before most of the major details were worked out. Of course, maybe this
was an attempt at crowd control too. Who knows, maybe someone at one of
the companies slipped up and let some of the info out, and rather than
allow rumors to run rampant (We all know how the internet and the gaming
industry is with rumors :)). <shrug>

Oh, and that's minor possibilty, BTW... AFAIK, no one did that, so no
rumors! :]

Bull
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Message no. 2
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: FASA Site Down? (GC RAVE)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 19:24:19 EST
In a message dated 11/20/1999 3:19:51 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
remo@***.net writes:

> Am I the only one who's had trouble connecting to their website? It's been
> a few days since I was last able to connect. Any of you closer to Chicago
> know what the deal might be?
>
> In a related question, does anyone know the status of the Decipher deal?
> Haven't heard anything about it since about Gen-Con.

I've read Dvixen's reply, and as of Tuesday this week last, the deal has not
been finalized. I have little to any specifics as to the state of things
however, and can't help out any more than that.

AND FOR ANYONE ELSE!!!!

GENCON TO GO TO INDIANAPOLIS IN 2003!!!!!!!!!!!!

OH YES!!!!

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Message no. 3
From: MC23 mc23@**********.com
Subject: FASA Site Down? (GC RAVE)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 09:36:22 -0500
Once upon a time, Ereskanti@***.com wrote;

>> In a related question, does anyone know the status of the Decipher deal?
>> Haven't heard anything about it since about Gen-Con.
>
>I've read Dvixen's reply, and as of Tuesday this week last, the deal has not
>been finalized. I have little to any specifics as to the state of things
>however, and can't help out any more than that.

Searching through Decipher's site it said nothing in it's
announcements but reading through the Decipher Con reports they described
FASA as their new miniature wargame devision. Damn annoying.
Hasbro finalized buying WotC within a month of making their initial
announcement. Really damn annoying.

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Message no. 4
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: FASA Site Down? (GC RAVE)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 12:36:08 EST
In a message dated 11/21/1999 9:37:17 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
mc23@**********.com writes:

> Searching through Decipher's site it said nothing in it's
> announcements but reading through the Decipher Con reports they described
> FASA as their new miniature wargame devision. Damn annoying.
> Hasbro finalized buying WotC within a month of making their initial
> announcement. Really damn annoying.

I can make a guess about Hasbro/WotC ... Hasbro moved into the whole deal
with a massive amount of cash flow, and no real concept of what a
role-playing games' production was like. I also bet that WotC (who still
hasn't paid off all of TSR's debt last I heard) and Hasbro are still working
over things as time goes on, but made that part of their agreement.

Besides, we all know that Hasbro just wanted stuff like M:TG and Pokemon for
their own purposes.

As for Decipher and FASA being their miniatures production ... that is an
interesting announcement to make on the web. I could see that perhaps slowly
things are merging then.

-K
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Message no. 5
From: dbuehrer@****.org dbuehrer@****.org
Subject: FASA Site Down? (GC RAVE)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 07:48:32 -0700
Ereskanti@***.com wrote:
\ In a message dated 11/21/1999 9:37:17 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
\ mc23@**********.com writes:
\
\ > Searching through Decipher's site it said nothing in it's
\ > announcements but reading through the Decipher Con reports they described
\ > FASA as their new miniature wargame devision. Damn annoying.
\ > Hasbro finalized buying WotC within a month of making their initial
\ > announcement. Really damn annoying.
\
\ I can make a guess about Hasbro/WotC ... Hasbro moved into the whole deal
\ with a massive amount of cash flow, and no real concept of what a
\ role-playing games' production was like. I also bet that WotC (who still
\ hasn't paid off all of TSR's debt last I heard) and Hasbro are still working
\ over things as time goes on, but made that part of their agreement.

Speaking from experience, when a really big company (like Hasbro) buys
another company things move along fairly quickly (the speed at which things
change can actually be kind of frightening). However, when the purchasing
company is medium sized (like Decipher) or smaller, the sale usually
progresses pretty slowly (and it's usually aggravatingly slow for everyone
involved, not just customers).

-Graht
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but by going through it."
Message no. 6
From: Drew Curtis dcurtis@***.net
Subject: FASA Site Down? (GC RAVE)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 11:05:00 -0500 (EST)
On Sun, 21 Nov 1999, MC23 wrote:

> Hasbro finalized buying WotC within a month of making their initial
> announcement. Really damn annoying.
>
My company is currently in a merger situation, they normally take much
longer than a month. I'm surprised the WotC deal took that little time.

Drew Curtis, President, Digital Crescent, Incorporated
http://www.dcr.net (502) 226 3376 Internet services.
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Message no. 7
From: MC23 mc23@**********.com
Subject: FASA Site Down? (GC RAVE)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 18:27:49 -0500
Once upon a time, Drew Curtis wrote;

>> Hasbro finalized buying WotC within a month of making their initial
>> announcement. Really damn annoying.
>>
>My company is currently in a merger situation, they normally take much
>longer than a month. I'm surprised the WotC deal took that little time.

The key phrase there was announcement. I have no idea how much was
done before the announcement was made.

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tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less."
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Message no. 8
From: Spike spike1@*******.co.uk
Subject: FASA Site Down? (GC RAVE)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 00:08:20 +0000 (GMT)
> Once upon a time, Drew Curtis wrote;
>
> >> Hasbro finalized buying WotC within a month of making their initial
> >> announcement. Really damn annoying.

I find it quite hilarious...
WoTC lost all my respect when they fired their RPG staff just before
christmas...

LOL!


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Message no. 9
From: Bruce iti03678@****.co.za
Subject: FASA Site Down? (GC RAVE)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 13:27:27 +0200
-----Original Message-----
From: Spike <spike1@*******.co.uk>
To: shadowrn@*********.org <shadowrn@*********.org>
Date: 23 November 1999 02:12
Subject: Re: FASA Site Down? (GC RAVE)


>> Once upon a time, Drew Curtis wrote;
>>
>> >> Hasbro finalized buying WotC within a month of making their
initial
>> >> announcement. Really damn annoying.
>
>I find it quite hilarious...
>WoTC lost all my respect when they fired their RPG staff just before
>christmas...
>
>LOL!
>
>
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Welcome back Mr Haliwell :)
Message no. 10
From: Spike spike1@*******.co.uk
Subject: FASA Site Down? (GC RAVE)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:03:58 +0000 (GMT)
> Welcome back Mr Haliwell :)

Thanks...
Anything interesting happen while I was gone?

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Message no. 11
From: Bruce iti03678@****.co.za
Subject: FASA Site Down? (GC RAVE)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 16:54:27 +0200
-----Original Message-----
From: Spike <spike1@*******.co.uk>
To: shadowrn@*********.org <shadowrn@*********.org>
Date: 23 November 1999 04:09
Subject: Re: FASA Site Down? (GC RAVE)


>> Welcome back Mr Haliwell :)
>
>Thanks...
>Anything interesting happen while I was gone?
>
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Take a guess :)

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Message no. 12
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: FASA Site Down? (GC RAVE)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 19:26:36 +0100
According to Spike, at 14:03 on 23 Nov 99, the word on the street was...

> > Welcome back Mr Haliwell :)
>
> Thanks...

I'd say "hi" too, but I already knew you were coming back :)

> Anything interesting happen while I was gone?

Well... we had a bit of a flame war which caused some people to leave the
list. The damnest thing is that I can't remember what it was about,
though...

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Message no. 13
From: abortion_engine abortion_engine@*******.com
Subject: FASA Site Down? (GC RAVE)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:03:46 -0500
> > Anything interesting happen while I was gone?
>
> Well... we had a bit of a flame war which caused some people to leave the
> list. The damnest thing is that I can't remember what it was about,
> though...

Well, Jacob Machinov and Bull had one of the big festive arguements,
regarding SR2 v. SR3, which can be found at
http://lists.html.com/pipermail/shadowrn/Week-of-Mon-19990913/thread.html#15
139. This resulted in Machinov being banned for a week and leaving, and Bull
leaving for a while, by his own volition, if I recall. Oh, and the offending
thread was, of course, shut down. Bull eventually returned, thankfully.

And IronRaven and myself had a real whiz-banger regarding mystisism, which
resulted in bans for both of us, after which he decided to leave and never
come back. Unfortunately, I decided to stay. This can be found around the
same time, at the same page.

Just thought you'd like to know someone was keeping score.

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Message no. 14
From: dghost@****.com dghost@****.com
Subject: FASA Site Down? (GC RAVE)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 18:14:29 -0800
On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:03:58 +0000 (GMT) Spike <spike1@*******.co.uk>
writes:
> Thanks...
> Anything interesting happen while I was gone?

Well ... we starting to miss you so we took a pair of clippers to a
woodchuck, gave him a mohawk, and named him spike ... -:)

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Message no. 15
From: Spike spike1@*******.co.uk
Subject: FASA Site Down? (GC RAVE)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 01:35:24 +0000 (GMT)
> On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:03:58 +0000 (GMT) Spike <spike1@*******.co.uk>
> writes:
> > Thanks...
> > Anything interesting happen while I was gone?
>
> Well ... we starting to miss you so we took a pair of clippers to a
> woodchuck, gave him a mohawk, and named him spike ... -:)

<shakes fist>

GRRRRRRRR!

</shakes fist>

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