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Message no. 1
From: Tobias Berghoff <Zixx@*****.TEUTO.DE>
Subject: G11 (was: Re: Today's state of the art VS. SR design options)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 21:10:00 GMT
on 15.11.97 jlindsay@******.CA wrote:

j> Here's another question: Is the G-11 "officially" adopted for use by the
j> German army yet? Has it replaced the G-3 (or whatever they were using
j> last)? I remember over the summer Germany sent armed troops off German
j> soil as part of a UN-sanctioned incident for the first time since WW2 and I
j> can't remember what the grunts may have been armed with...

Well, they planed to give the Bundeswehr the G11, but then the
reunification came and the whole thing would have been to expensive. They
still use the G3s and the G11 projects is on ice.
The way I know the folks form the Bundeswehr, what they took to Bosnia was
a deck of cards and a sixpack beer. :)



Tobias Berghoff a.k.a Zixx a.k.a. Charon, your friendly werepanther physad.

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Message no. 2
From: Sascha Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@**********.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE>
Subject: Re: G11 (was: Re: Today's state of the art VS. SR design options
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:16:51 +0000
On 15 Nov 97 at 21:10, Tobias Berghoff wrote:
> j> Here's another question: Is the G-11 "officially" adopted for use by
the
> j> German army yet?
[snip]
> Well, they planed to give the Bundeswehr the G11, but then the
> reunification came and the whole thing would have been to expensive. They
> still use the G3s and the G11 projects is on ice.
> The way I know the folks form the Bundeswehr, what they took to Bosnia was
> a deck of cards and a sixpack beer. :)
AFAIK, the G11 got banned, as it is (nearly) impossible to wound a
target with it, as the impact shock is meant to kill the victim (real
high velocity weapon). (<- note: From what I heared. I am no gun
expert, other people may/will know better, I am sure)

Heckler & Koch went bankrupt over the development (well... at least
this seems to be one of the reasons), and the German Bundeswehr still
uses H&K G3 assault rifles as primary weapons. From what I heared, some
models of the G11 have been handed out for test purposes, but am not
too sure how valid that rumor is.

Sascha
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Message no. 3
From: "Paul J. Adam" <shadowrn@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: G11 (was: Re: Today's state of the art VS. SR design options
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 19:48:47 +0000
In article <m0xXTsQ-0004wfC@*******.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE>, Sascha
Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@**********.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE> writes
>AFAIK, the G11 got banned, as it is (nearly) impossible to wound a
>target with it, as the impact shock is meant to kill the victim (real
>high velocity weapon). (<- note: From what I heared. I am no gun
>expert, other people may/will know better, I am sure)

Nope. It was effective, but it fell victim to the end of the Cold War
and to German reunification: there was no budget to re-equip the
Bundeswehr with a new and expensive, if capable, weapon.

Excessive lethality wasn't an issue.

>Heckler & Koch went bankrupt over the development (well... at least
>this seems to be one of the reasons), and the German Bundeswehr still
>uses H&K G3 assault rifles as primary weapons. From what I heared, some
>models of the G11 have been handed out for test purposes, but am not
>too sure how valid that rumor is.

According to the H&K reps, the G11 is dead. The G36 has been adopted by
the Bundeswehr to replace the G3s.

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praiseworthy...

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