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Message no. 1
From: "David R. Henry" <dhenry@******.NODAK.EDU>
Subject: HMHVV, Werewolves, Shapechangers...
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1993 22:46:52 CST
The Nightstalker listed:

> Minotaur here is the list to the best of my knowledge:
>
> Metahuman Race: Vampire type:
> Dwarf Not known if possible
> Elf Banshee
> Human Vampire or Nosferatu
> Ork Wendigo
> Troll Dzoo-noo-qua
>
> drh indicated that dwarves become goblins, but I think goblins are a distinct
> paranatural race. Of course I don't have PHGNA or PNGE to consult on that.

The European critter book is very distinct on it: Goblins are the vampiric
(or a vampiric) form of Dwarfs. Even more interesting is that they don't
have infection, if I recall, and the shadowbabble in their entry points out
that that means someone is most likely deliberately _spreading_ the virus...

> No HMHVV type is indicated for Ghouls, which I think would be immune to HMHVV
> since they are significantly magical (dual-natured) beings. Note that ghouls
> goblinize from base human stock, just like the other metahuman species.

A good point. All other vampiric base-forms are not dual-natured.

>
> drh asked:
>
> >>I was wondering about the "werewolfization" of the other human
races myself.
> >>Humans get to become loup-garou (lucky us). What would a galloping Troll-
> >>garou become? Besides icky, of course.
>
> Shapechangers are not human. They are intelligent animals that can turn
> themselves into humans (not elves, dwarfs, orks, or trolls). It's right there
> in the basic rulebook.

I know _that_, Jason, I was wondering about the "werewolfization." Sheesh,
read it yourself. :-). I was mumbling in my beard about whether the
Loup-Garou virus would do to any other metatype besides normal humans.
Since Loup-Garou is French for "werewolf," I coined the useful phrase above
to show a person contracting the lovely illness. No Shapechangers need
apply.

Having corrected that bit of trivia, I return to my lurking. :-)

drh
Message no. 2
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: HMHVV, Werewolves, Shapechangers...
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1993 23:58:05 -0600
...oh my.

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Message no. 3
From: "Jason Carter, Nightstalker" <CARTER@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: HMHVV, Werewolves, Shapechangers...
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 17:59:31 -0800
> No HMHVV type is indicated for Ghouls, which I think would be immune to HMHVV
> since they are significantly magical (dual-natured) beings. Note that ghouls
> goblinize from base human stock, just like the other metahuman species.

>>A good point. All other vampiric base-forms are not dual-natured.

Actually, Doctor Doom pointed out that Sastacques (hell I can't spell) become
bandersnatches when infected with HMHVV. This means that Dual-natured beings
can be affected by HMHVV and that HMHVV is not isolated to "Human MetaHuman"
as the name implies.

>>I know _that_, Jason, I was wondering about the "werewolfization."
Sheesh,
>>read it yourself. :-). I was mumbling in my beard about whether the
>>Loup-Garou virus would do to any other metatype besides normal humans.
>>Since Loup-Garou is French for "werewolf," I coined the useful phrase
above
>>to show a person contracting the lovely illness. No Shapechangers need
>>apply.

There is no Loup-Garou virus. The legends of "were-creatures" were merely
memories of Shapeshifters. The stuff about were's infecting their prey and
turning into humans when killed were just errorenous.

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See Ya in Shadows, "Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer."
Jason J Carter -- Deep Throat, The X-Files
The Nightstalker Carter@***.EDU
Message no. 4
From: The Reverend <mdb0213@******.TAMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: HMHVV, Werewolves, Shapechangers...
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1993 01:43:22 -0600
]There is no Loup-Garou virus. The legends of "were-creatures" were merely
]memories of Shapeshifters. The stuff about were's infecting their prey and
]turning into humans when killed were just errorenous.

Or another thought: that there IS something like that in SR. Chilling...

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Message no. 5
From: Deird'Re Brooks <deirdre@***.ORG>
Subject: Re: HMHVV, Werewolves, Shapechangers...
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1993 09:55:13 -0800
> Actually, Doctor Doom pointed out that Sastacques (hell I can't spell) become
> bandersnatches when infected with HMHVV. This means that Dual-natured beings
> can be affected by HMHVV and that HMHVV is not isolated to "Human
MetaHuman"
> as the name implies.

Are you certain that the Sasquatches _aren't_ Metahuman? There
are plenty more Metahuman races out there than we've heard about.
Just _what_ does that 'Other' line they always give in the
population stats mean, anyway? HMHVV victims, Ghouls, Leshy,
beings like that, I'd say . . .

> There is no Loup-Garou virus. The legends of "were-creatures" were merely
> memories of Shapeshifters. The stuff about were's infecting their prey and
> turning into humans when killed were just errorenous.

He was referring to the variant on the HMHVV that the loup-garou
contract to become bestial psychotic killers. It seems that
every magical virus that pops up is called a variant on HMHVV,
Me, I think it was planted by the Horrors, but who'm'I to judge?

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