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Message no. 1
From: Jeremy Smith <jsmith@*****.ORG>
Subject: Mage Go Bye bye
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 17:36:30 -0500
Get this.

An Air Force pilot (this is a RL story) is flying along on a training
mission when she loses her sight all of a sudden. She's stuck in
the air for a while, until the fellas at the base can talk her down in a
landing. Turns out that the Russians had been experimenting with a
low-powered laser in orbit. Targeted the woman's eyes, _even though she
had a helmet on and was flying approximately 700 mph_, and temporarily
blinded her.

Hmmmm...Mage can't hurt what he can't see.


Mist.
Message no. 2
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Mage Go Bye bye
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 18:55:15 -0400
[dazzler story deleted]

Standard tactics for messing up surveillance satellites for the past 20+
years is to use low-wattage lasers to "blind" the sensors as they pass over
head. The technique is also capable of being used against aircraft if you
can get a good radar lock.

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Message no. 3
From: MILLIKEN DAMION A <u9467882@***.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Mage Go Bye bye
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 17:24:13 +1000
Mist writes:

> Hmmmm...Mage can't hurt what he can't see.

Hmm, a thought along these lines. Can a blinded mage still see on the
astral? More precisely, can they astrally perceive? 'Cause if they can, then
all the need to do to zap you is switch to astral senses. They are astrally
perceiving, so they have the astral/physical link, and they can see you, so
you would be toast. But I'm not so sure that they would be able to see. I
don't know if astral sight is all that connected to normal sight or not. If
it is closely connected, then you'd be safe, if not...

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Message no. 4
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Mage Go Bye bye
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 09:34:06 -0400
>>>>> "MILLIKEN" == MILLIKEN DAMION A <u9467882@***.EDU.AU>
writes:

MILLIKEN> Hmm, a thought along these lines. Can a blinded mage still see on
MILLIKEN> the astral? More precisely, can they astrally perceive?

Yes to both questions. Which means physically blinding the mage isn't going
to stop him from chucking spells at you, any more than blinding him is
going to affect his hearing. It's another sense entirely.

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Message no. 5
From: "C. Paul Douglas" <granite@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: Mage Go Bye bye
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 10:06:19 -0400
On Thu, 8 Sep 1994, Stainless Steel Rat wrote:

> >>>>> "MILLIKEN" == MILLIKEN DAMION A
<u9467882@***.EDU.AU> writes:
>
> MILLIKEN> Hmm, a thought along these lines. Can a blinded mage still see on
> MILLIKEN> the astral? More precisely, can they astrally perceive?
>
> Yes to both questions. Which means physically blinding the mage isn't going
> to stop him from chucking spells at you, any more than blinding him is
> going to affect his hearing. It's another sense entirely.
>
Actually the answer to the first is no..Since the mage has lost his/her
sight he/she looses the astral analog of sight...This blind mage could
still astrally precieve but ONLY with extremely high target
numbers...Somewhere this is born out in a module I believe..I don't
remember which one..
-----------------------------GRANITE
Message no. 6
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Mage Go Bye bye
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 11:17:29 -0400
>>>>> "C" == C Paul Douglas <granite@*****.NET> writes:

C> Actually the answer to the first is no..Since the mage has lost his/her
C> sight he/she looses the astral analog of sight...

Please explain to me how loss of one sense means the loss of another?
Astral perception (note the non-use of the word "sight") does NOT rely on
natural eyesight. It's another sense entirely.

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Message no. 7
From: Nightfox <DJWA@******.UCC.NAU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Mage Go Bye bye
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 10:11:33 -0700
>Hmm, a thought along these lines. Can a blinded mage still see on the
>astral? More precisely, can they astrally perceive?

The germany source book mentions a type of adept whose only power is astral
perception or some type of magical sensing. When these people loose there sight
they loose their power, but the book says this is more because of psycological
trauma then any metaphysical damage, they also only had a tenuous link before
the loss.

Mages, IMHO, should not loose astral sight if they loose their eyes, since
Astral sight is really a misnomer and is in no way connected to your eyes, it is
literally a sixth sense (or seventh +, if you want to count time or
acceleration sensing before it). Some mages may loose their ability to see in
astral if they loose their eyes simply because they don't believe they can do it
anymore - magic is very difficult to do if you tell yourself you can't do it.

Staying in perception mode though can be dangerous, people can ground spells
into you, and you tend to atract astral visitors like just recently freed
spirits who decide that they aren't going to live on this plane (and become a
free spirit) but rather go back home. They see an active mage - they might fear
being bound again so they will just geek you from behind.

Nightfox


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Message no. 8
From: Marc A Renouf <jormung@*****.UMICH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Mage Go Bye bye
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 14:51:31 -0400
On Thu, 8 Sep 1994, Stainless Steel Rat wrote:

> >>>>> "MILLIKEN" == MILLIKEN DAMION A
<u9467882@***.EDU.AU> writes:
>
> MILLIKEN> Hmm, a thought along these lines. Can a blinded mage still see on
> MILLIKEN> the astral? More precisely, can they astrally perceive?
>
> Yes to both questions. Which means physically blinding the mage isn't going
> to stop him from chucking spells at you, any more than blinding him is
> going to affect his hearing. It's another sense entirely.

Right on. think of it this way. If you get cybereyes, you can
still see and can still astrally perceive, right? But I highly doubt
that the cybereyes that say, a combat mage might get support the "astral
perception" modification when the street sam's don't (but wouldn't it be a
trip if you could get it?). This seems to imply that a mage can see on
the astral even if he doesn't even have his meat eyes anymore, which in
turn implies that astral perception doesn't require eyes.

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Earth, presumably from space.)
Message no. 9
From: "C. Paul Douglas" <granite@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: Mage Go Bye bye
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 15:53:18 -0400
>
> Please explain to me how loss of one sense means the loss of another?
> Astral perception (note the non-use of the word "sight") does NOT rely on
> natural eyesight. It's another sense entirely.

This has all been gone over in great detail before..Personally I think
that it is a great role-playing oportunity..But in their research others
have found that there are examples of blind mages who loose the ability
to cast spells that require sight to target them..I am not going to argue
this point as that dead horse won't run..
-----------------------------GRANITE
Message no. 10
From: Matthew Alan Hufstetler <gt2778a@*****.GATECH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Mage Go Bye bye
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 23:13:49 -0400
> numbers...Somewhere this is born out in a module I believe..I don't
> remember which one..

Hmm, I remember reading somewhere about the mage restraints and other
stuff from Denver before, but I can't remember where. It wasn't in
Harlequin was it?
Message no. 11
From: MILLIKEN DAMION A <u9467882@***.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Mage Go Bye bye
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 1994 01:03:06 +1000
GRANITE writes:

> > Yes to both questions. Which means physically blinding the mage isn't going
> > to stop him from chucking spells at you, any more than blinding him is
> > going to affect his hearing. It's another sense entirely.
> >
> Actually the answer to the first is no..Since the mage has lost his/her
> sight he/she looses the astral analog of sight...This blind mage could
> still astrally precieve but ONLY with extremely high target
> numbers...Somewhere this is born out in a module I believe..I don't
> remember which one..

Um, I too remember something along these lines. It was a female magician,
Yakuza connected, um, daughter of somebody high up, um, she used astral
sight and clairvoyance spells, um, I just can't remember which module it
was. One of the earlier ones I think. Hang on, it might have been Elven
Fire, not too earlier heh. Not too sure on that though, and I'm too lazy to
go all the way back to my room to check.

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Message no. 12
From: Marc A Renouf <jormung@*****.UMICH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Mage Go Bye bye
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 11:53:50 -0400
On Thu, 8 Sep 1994, Matthew Alan Hufstetler wrote:

> > numbers...Somewhere this is born out in a module I believe..I don't
> > remember which one..
>
> Hmm, I remember reading somewhere about the mage restraints and other
> stuff from Denver before, but I can't remember where. It wasn't in
> Harlequin was it?
>

It was in the Neo-Anarchists' Guide to North America, in the
section on DC, I think.

Marc
Message no. 13
From: John Moeller <John.Moeller@*.CC.UTAH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Mage Go Bye bye
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 10:00:53 -0600
On Thu, 8 Sep 1994, Matthew Alan Hufstetler wrote:

> > numbers...Somewhere this is born out in a module I believe..I don't
> > remember which one..
>
> Hmm, I remember reading somewhere about the mage restraints and other
> stuff from Denver before, but I can't remember where. It wasn't in
> Harlequin was it?

I think it's in NAGNA.

John IV aka John Moeller <John.Moeller@*.cc.utah.edu>
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Message no. 14
From: Matthew Alan Hufstetler <gt2778a@*****.GATECH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Mage Go Bye bye
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 1994 01:51:23 -0400
> It was in the Neo-Anarchists' Guide to North America, in the
> section on DC, I think.
>
Hmm, I haven't read that in a long time. But it seems to me that as none
of our characters have been captured (yet) we never ran into those
nasties. But I just know that our esteemed GM will see fit to throw them
at us.

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