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Message no. 1
From: "Mike (Leszek Karlik)" <trrkt@******.COM>
Subject: Munchkin man :P
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 06:10:44 +0000
Hmmm...

I've been reading through the Paranoid Animals of NA, and saw the
Speed Samurai archetype...

What a wussie... :P

Now, think about that: a physical adept (or, better yet, physical
mage) with at least 1st grade initation (so he can have the +2D6
bioware and the max. adept initiative increase (+3D6) for IIRC 5
magic points...). Now, that gives him a 6D6 initiative, but that's
not all... Now, add an increase reflexes +3D6 spell, for a total of
9D6 initiative. And now Critterform him into a tiger or a panther,
for an additional 2D6 to initiative. Voila, a whopping 11D6
initiative, for an average roll of 33, whitout counting the reaction.
Make the critterform force 6, cast with 6 magic pool and 12 successes
(Karma and Team Karma), that adds +6 to all physical attributes of
the tiger, increasing the reaction by 3 (at least).

(I think I should be shot, to miminalize the suffering of my
immediate entourage. Heh. :P )

PS: Oh, yeah, the physical mage could cast spells in critterform.
Talk about a spellvindicator... :>

MUHAHAHAHAHAA!

(Of course, one could say that in critterform, the bioware bonus does
not apply... In that case, skip the critterform unless you want to
engage in HTH, or rather HTP combat. Still, you've got yourself an
adept with 9D6 initiative. Add the raise reaction power, raise
attribute spells and you've got one fast fragger. Also, he should be
rather high-graded init to mask all that Christmas lights, err..
spell locks. :P Or, while we're at it, give the initiate physad a
beta or delta-grade wired 3 instead of the bioware - if you allow
spell and cyberware stacking. Which is not appilcable in any sane
campaign...).


Mike (Leszek Karlik) - trrkt@******.com; http://www.wlkp.top.pl/~bear/mike
FL/GN Leszek/Raptor II/ISD Vanguard, (ISM) {IWATS-IIC} JH(Sith)/House Scholae Palatinae
(Emperor's Hammer)
I'm trying to find myself. Anyone seen me lately?
Message no. 2
From: John E Pederson <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Munchkin man :P
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 00:59:31 EDT
On Sun, 20 Jul 1997 06:10:44 +0000 "Mike (Leszek Karlik)"
<trrkt@******.com> writes:
>Hmmm...
>
>I've been reading through the Paranoid Animals of NA, and saw the
>Speed Samurai archetype...
>
>What a wussie... :P
<snip>
>(I think I should be shot, to miminalize the suffering of my
>immediate entourage. Heh. :P )


I agree. Unfortunately, I don't have any firearms (of the lead
slug-throwing variety) so you'll have to make do with...THIS!
<sounds of whirring and clicking as portable fully-automatic carp
launcher is readied and aimed>
Safeties off <click>
FIRE!!!

THWAPTHWAPTHWAPTHWAPTHWAPTHWAPTHWAPTHWAP!

@#$%&! Give me a moment (one bad thing about carp launchers - you can't
fit many carp in a clip:)

:)
>PS: Oh, yeah, the physical mage could cast spells in critterform.
>Talk about a spellvindicator... :>


Hmm...I think I may have a carp grenade around here somewhere...

:)
--
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and the Alcoran, than that this universal frame is without a mind.
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Message no. 3
From: "Mike (Leszek Karlik)" <trrkt@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Munchkin man :P
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 10:10:13 +0000
Hmmm...

> >I've been reading through the Paranoid Animals of NA, and saw the
> >Speed Samurai archetype...
>
> <snip munchy, rule-jumping-up-and-down-on char. concept>
>
> Gurth, could you post the latest version of your speed elf?

a) Did this go to the list, or only to me?
b) Damn, I should have known there's a better, faster model on the
market... :P


Mike (Leszek Karlik) - trrkt@******.com; http://www.wlkp.top.pl/~bear/mike
FL/GN Leszek/Raptor II/ISD Vanguard, (ISM) {IWATS-IIC} JH(Sith)/House Scholae Palatinae
(Emperor's Hammer)
Since using your shampoo, my hair has come alive. Signed: Medusa.
Message no. 4
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Munchkin man :P
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 11:28:23 +0100
Mike (Leszek Karlik) said on 6:10/20 Jul 97...

> I've been reading through the Paranoid Animals of NA, and saw the
> Speed Samurai archetype...
>
> What a wussie... :P

Fastest character you can make (AFAIK) with the standard character
generation rules (with the More Metahumans optional rule and without using
Cybertechnology, that is; with CT he gets up to 21+4D6).

> Now, think about that: a physical adept (or, better yet, physical
> mage) with at least 1st grade initation (so he can have the +2D6
> bioware and the max. adept initiative increase (+3D6) for IIRC 5
> magic points...). Now, that gives him a 6D6 initiative, but that's
> not all... Now, add an increase reflexes +3D6 spell, for a total of
> 9D6 initiative. And now Critterform him into a tiger or a panther,
> for an additional 2D6 to initiative. Voila, a whopping 11D6
> initiative, for an average roll of 33, whitout counting the reaction.
> Make the critterform force 6, cast with 6 magic pool and 12 successes
> (Karma and Team Karma), that adds +6 to all physical attributes of
> the tiger, increasing the reaction by 3 (at least).

There are several problems with the character you're talking about. First
and foremost, he/she CANNOT be made as a starting character, unless for
some reason your GM allows you to use Force Points for initiations (which
I definitely don't).

Second, and this uses a ruling by Tom Dowd that you probably aren't aware
of and which some people might heavily dispute (MC23, keep quiet, OK? :)
namely that only the highest initiative boost applies. That means your
character would have only +3D6, not +11D6.

--
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All these worthless nights, all these wasted days
-> NERPS Project Leader & Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
-> The Plastic Warriors Page: http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/plastic.html <-

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Message no. 5
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Munchkin man :P
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 11:28:23 +0100
Mike (Leszek Karlik) said on 10:10/20 Jul 97...

> > Gurth, could you post the latest version of your speed elf?
>
> a) Did this go to the list, or only to me?

Probably only to you, since you have (had?) a reply-to address set in your
mailer, which the list doesn't override, unfortunately.

> b) Damn, I should have known there's a better, faster model on the
> market... :P

The original Speed Sam was designed about a year before Cybertechnology
came out; a few months ago I upgraded him. If you want to I'll send you a
copy privately, since most subscribers to the list will have seen him
before.

--
Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
All these worthless nights, all these wasted days
-> NERPS Project Leader & Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
-> The Plastic Warriors Page: http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/plastic.html <-

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Message no. 6
From: "Mike (Leszek Karlik)" <trrkt@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Munchkin man :P
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 21:25:43 +0000
Hmmm...

<an example of munchkinism snipped>

> There are several problems with the character you're talking about. First
> and foremost, he/she CANNOT be made as a starting character, unless for
> some reason your GM allows you to use Force Points for initiations (which
> I definitely don't).

Yes, I know... However, you could then give him a +2D6 initiative
physad ability... Or just don't give him bioware...

> Second, and this uses a ruling by Tom Dowd that you probably aren't aware
> of and which some people might heavily dispute (MC23, keep quiet, OK? :)
> namely that only the highest initiative boost applies. That means your
> character would have only +3D6, not +11D6.

Well, I don't know about this one... But since DLoH said so... (Exar
Kun anyone?)

Mike (Leszek Karlik): http://www.wlkp.top.pl/~bear/mike/index.htm
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Message no. 7
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: Munchkin man :P
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 17:48:30 -0600
Gurth wrote:
|
| The original Speed Sam was designed about a year before Cybertechnology
| came out; a few months ago I upgraded him. If you want to I'll send you a
| copy privately, since most subscribers to the list will have seen him
| before.

But, the last version you sent to the list had an error, and you
never sent the corrected version :)

-David
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/1068/homepage.htm
--
"Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing
which ones to keep."
Message no. 8
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Munchkin man :P
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 12:22:33 +0100
Mike (Leszek Karlik) said on 21:25/20 Jul 97...

> Yes, I know... However, you could then give him a +2D6 initiative
> physad ability... Or just don't give him bioware...

I'll probably, when I have nothing better to do, try to design as fast as
possible a character who _doesn't_ use cyberware, and see how that
compares to the speed sam.

--
Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
All these worthless nights, all these wasted days
-> NERPS Project Leader & Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
-> The Plastic Warriors Page: http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/plastic.html <-

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Message no. 9
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Munchkin man :P
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 12:22:33 +0100
David Buehrer said on 17:48/20 Jul 97...

> But, the last version you sent to the list had an error, and you
> never sent the corrected version :)

Yes, I did... After the mistake (which happened because I confused the
two Essence costs given on the page with the Reaction Enhancer in
Cybertechnology) I corrected it and IIRC posted the latest version.

--
Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
All these worthless nights, all these wasted days
-> NERPS Project Leader & Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
-> The Plastic Warriors Page: http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/plastic.html <-

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Message no. 10
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: Munchkin man :P
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 10:50:53 -0600
Gurth wrote:
|
| David Buehrer said on 17:48/20 Jul 97...
|
| > But, the last version you sent to the list had an error, and you
| > never sent the corrected version :)
|
| Yes, I did... After the mistake (which happened because I confused the
| two Essence costs given on the page with the Reaction Enhancer in
| Cybertechnology) I corrected it and IIRC posted the latest version.

Whoops. I musta gotten confused (or maybe received the posts out of
order). Well then, I'll just have to throw version 2.1 at my players
the next time I run <EGMG>.

-David
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/1068/homepage.htm
--
"Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing
which ones to keep."
Message no. 11
From: Michael Broadwater <mbroadwa@*******.GLENAYRE.COM>
Subject: Re: Munchkin man :P
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 14:54:38 -0500
At 06:10 AM 7/20/97 +0000, Mike (Leszek Karlik) wrote:
>Hmmm...
>
>I've been reading through the Paranoid Animals of NA, and saw the
>Speed Samurai archetype...
>
>What a wussie... :P

<snip>

Of course, what you're suggesting isn't a starting character, and the speed
elf is.


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