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Message no. 1
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: My wave book so far....
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 08:11:00 -0700
Mark Steedman wrote:
|
[snip: questions about oxygenated liquid for deep sea diving]
|
|Its a liquid.
|Basically you fill your lungs with the stuff and its recirculated
|somehow through a system that keeps it topped up with oxygen.
|Stories about it have been going about for a few years, i don't know
|any serious details, but at least the US armed forces have it working
|(don't know how much of the details are classified though, enough is
|know to use it in SR, we need to know what it does not how to build
|one :) ) It solves most of the problems with the bends, and allows
|diving to a much greater depth than does compressed air.

And, on a side note, the stuff has applications for jet
fighters too. Put the pilot in a suit so he can "breath"
the stuff (like the suit from the Abyss), and then fill the
cockpit with liquid. I don't know exactly how it works,
but the pilot can now take more Gs (centripital force)
before passing out. Of course there are a lot of technical
problems to overcome.

-David

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Message no. 2
From: IEngelmann@***.COM
Subject: Re: My wave book so far....
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 18:53:21 -0500
>Mark Steedman wrote:
>|
>[snip: questions about oxygenated liquid for deep sea diving]
>|
>|Its a liquid.
>|Basically you fill your lungs with the stuff and its recirculated
>|somehow through a system that keeps it topped up with oxygen.
>|Stories about it have been going about for a few years, i don't know
>|any serious details, but at least the US armed forces have it working
>|(don't know how much of the details are classified though, enough is
>|know to use it in SR, we need to know what it does not how to build
>|one :) ) It solves most of the problems with the bends, and allows
>|diving to a much greater depth than does compressed air.
>
>And, on a side note, the stuff has applications for jet
>fighters too. Put the pilot in a suit so he can "breath"
>the stuff (like the suit from the Abyss), and then fill the
>cockpit with liquid. I don't know exactly how it works,
>but the pilot can now take more Gs (centripital force)
>before passing out. Of course there are a lot of technical
>problems to overcome.
>
>-David

Yeah the main problem would be the mass. A few hundred kilograms are a lot.
You need extra power. And cockpits must be filled absolutely exact or you'll
have at these high G-forces big probs with stability.

Ilja
Message no. 3
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: My wave book so far....
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 10:30:39 -0700
IEngelmann@***.COM wrote:
|
|>Mark Steedman wrote:
|>|
|>[snip: questions about oxygenated liquid for deep sea diving]
|>|
|>|Its a liquid.
|>|Basically you fill your lungs with the stuff and its recirculated
|>|somehow through a system that keeps it topped up with oxygen.
|>|Stories about it have been going about for a few years, i don't know
|>|any serious details, but at least the US armed forces have it working
|>|(don't know how much of the details are classified though, enough is
|>|know to use it in SR, we need to know what it does not how to build
|>|one :) ) It solves most of the problems with the bends, and allows
|>|diving to a much greater depth than does compressed air.
|>
|>And, on a side note, the stuff has applications for jet
|>fighters too. Put the pilot in a suit so he can "breath"
|>the stuff (like the suit from the Abyss), and then fill the
|>cockpit with liquid. I don't know exactly how it works,
|>but the pilot can now take more Gs (centripital force)
|>before passing out. Of course there are a lot of technical
|>problems to overcome.
|
|Yeah the main problem would be the mass. A few hundred kilograms are a lot.
|You need extra power. And cockpits must be filled absolutely exact or you'll
|have at these high G-forces big probs with stability.

With a jet fighter it would be a major pain in the ass, but
with something like a Banshee, which already weighs 10+
tons and is pretty solid, it becomes a possibility.

-David

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"His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking
alliances like underpants in a dryer without Cling Free."
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Message no. 4
From: IEngelmann@***.COM
Subject: Re: My wave book so far....
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 18:34:03 -0500
>|>Mark Steedman wrote:
>|>|
>|>[snip: questions about oxygenated liquid for deep sea diving]
>|>|
>|>|Its a liquid.
>|>|Basically you fill your lungs with the stuff and its recirculated
>|>|somehow through a system that keeps it topped up with oxygen.
>|>|Stories about it have been going about for a few years, i don't know
>|>|any serious details, but at least the US armed forces have it working
>|>|(don't know how much of the details are classified though, enough is
>|>|know to use it in SR, we need to know what it does not how to build
>|>|one :) ) It solves most of the problems with the bends, and allows
>|>|diving to a much greater depth than does compressed air.
>|>
>|>And, on a side note, the stuff has applications for jet
>|>fighters too. Put the pilot in a suit so he can "breath"
>|>the stuff (like the suit from the Abyss), and then fill the
>|>cockpit with liquid. I don't know exactly how it works,
>|>but the pilot can now take more Gs (centripital force)
>|>before passing out. Of course there are a lot of technical
>|>problems to overcome.
>|
>|Yeah the main problem would be the mass. A few hundred kilograms are a lot.
>|You need extra power. And cockpits must be filled absolutely exact or
you'll
>|have at these high G-forces big probs with stability.
>
>With a jet fighter it would be a major pain in the ass, but
>with something like a Banshee, which already weighs 10+
>tons and is pretty solid, it becomes a possibility.
>
Yeah, that's it. And you don't need to fill the whole thing, only a small
tank just large enough to accomodate the pilot and his seat.
But how do we put these into rules? Maybe the handling drops by one point or
target numbers at high speed maneuvers drop by one or two points or something
like that.

Ilja
Message no. 5
From: The Digital Mage <mn3rge@****.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: My wave book so far....
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 14:50:26 +0000
> >And, on a side note, the stuff has applications for jet
> >fighters too. Put the pilot in a suit so he can "breath"
> >the stuff (like the suit from the Abyss), and then fill the
> >cockpit with liquid. I don't know exactly how it works,
> >but the pilot can now take more Gs (centripital force)
> >before passing out. Of course there are a lot of technical
> >problems to overcome.

This is just like the stuff in Gerry Anderson's old series UFO (currently
being repeated in the UK on BBC 2), the aliens used the technology to
survive space travel at incredible speeds, but the liquid tinged their
skin green :)

The Digital Mage : mn3rge@****.ac.uk
"Life is a choice, Death....an obligation."-Me
Shadowrun WWW site at http://www.bath.ac.uk/~mn3rge/Shadowrun
Message no. 6
From: BulletShower <nmatausc@****.CIP.FAK14.UNI-MUENCHEN.DE>
Subject: Re: My wave book so far....
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 09:22:54 +1000
Hey guys!

Is it a problem for you to snip emails? You copy the whole darn
things again and again, just to attach two or three lines of personal
comment. Help prevent mail floods, will ya?

:)
Bullet

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