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Message no. 1
From: runnerpaul@*****.com runnerpaul@*****.com
Subject: New on fasa.com
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 00:32:18 -0400 (EDT)
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Looks like FASA's got their GenCon schedule up on their website.

More interesting though: They've posted a picture of what's supposed
to be the cover of the Quickstart Rules, and cover art for Man &
Machine (can you spot the Vor ad hidden in the picture).

The cover art on Quickstart Rules is the same from the Neo-A's Guide
to RL. It is one of my favorite pieces of cover art, but why not
something new?

Then again, I don't trust any cover pictures until the product is put
out. Somewhere around here, I've got saved what amazon.com had posted
as the cover for the BBB3 before it was released (Imagine the BBB2
cover, with the artwork from DMZ, and it says Third Edition at the
bottom.)

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Message no. 2
From: Twist0059@***.com Twist0059@***.com
Subject: New on fasa.com
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 07:05:53 EDT
In a message dated 7/30/99 12:33:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
runnerpaul@*****.com writes:

> More interesting though: They've posted a picture of what's supposed
> to be the cover of the Quickstart Rules, and cover art for Man &
> Machine (can you spot the Vor ad hidden in the picture).


They did the same trick in New Seattle's B&W of the Renraku Arcology. Dare I
say cheesy? (A certain Schizi never likes that word.)






-Twist
Message no. 3
From: runnerpaul@*****.com runnerpaul@*****.com
Subject: New on fasa.com
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 12:23:35 -0400 (EDT)
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At 07:05 AM 7/30/99 -0400, Twist0059@***.com wrote:
::(can you spot the Vor ad hidden in the picture)
:
:They did the same trick in New Seattle's B&W of the Renraku
:Arcology.

And the same B&W picture of the Arc was in R:AS.

These subliminals are getting a bit heavy-handed, aren't they?

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Message no. 4
From: Mark Fender markf@******.com
Subject: New on fasa.com
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:31:47 -0500
> ::(can you spot the Vor ad hidden in the picture)
> :
> :They did the same trick in New Seattle's B&W of the Renraku
> :Arcology.
>
> And the same B&W picture of the Arc was in R:AS.
>
> These subliminals are getting a bit heavy-handed, aren't they?
>
They're not any worse than they've been in the past. Anyone remember NERPS?
The damn Queensryche symbol in practically every Paul Hume picture? The
horrible, horrible Laubenstein pictures (no subliminal messages, but it
makes you subliminally hate the game).
Message no. 5
From: Penta cpenta@*****.com
Subject: New on fasa.com
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 12:46:37 -0700
Mark Fender wrote:

> They're not any worse than they've been in the past. Anyone remember NERPS?
> The damn Queensryche symbol in practically every Paul Hume picture? The
> horrible, horrible Laubenstein pictures (no subliminal messages, but it
> makes you subliminally hate the game).

What *WAS* NERPS, anyway?:>

John
Message no. 6
From: Number Ten Ox number_10_ox@**********.com
Subject: New on fasa.com
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 09:47:41 -0700 (PDT)
---Mark Fender <markf@******.com> wrote:

> The damn Queensryche symbol in practically every Paul Hume picture?
I didn't know Hume drew as well as wrote.

> The
> horrible, horrible Laubenstein pictures (no subliminal messages, but it
> makes you subliminally hate the game).

Which ones are those?

Pet peeve: whichever moron did the illustrations for the Columbia,
Missouri "Harlequin" run. Those are truly awful.

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Message no. 7
From: runnerpaul@*****.com runnerpaul@*****.com
Subject: New on fasa.com
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 17:35:41 -0400 (EDT)
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At 11:31 AM 7/30/99 -0500, Mark Fender wrote:
::These subliminals are getting a bit heavy-handed, aren't they?

:They're not any worse than they've been in the past. Anyone remember
: NERPS?

NERPS was strictly an in game thing. NERPS wasn't a real world
product that FASA wanted people to buy.

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Message no. 8
From: Twist0059@***.com Twist0059@***.com
Subject: New on fasa.com
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 17:45:38 EDT
In a message dated 7/30/99 1:15:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cpenta@*****.com
writes:

> > They're not any worse than they've been in the past. Anyone remember
NERPS?
> > The damn Queensryche symbol in practically every Paul Hume picture? The
> > horrible, horrible Laubenstein pictures (no subliminal messages, but it
> > makes you subliminally hate the game).
>
> What *WAS* NERPS, anyway?:>
>
> John


NERPS was SR's (or maybe Hume's) cute way of duplicating the nonsenical
endless advance of consumer junk for every possible thing a person could
want. So NERPS is the answer for everything, and every product, all without
FASA having to name the flood of products that would naturally be in SR and
while looking satirical while doing it.




-Twist
Message no. 9
From: Darrell L. Bowman darrell@******.dhr.state.nc.us
Subject: New on fasa.com
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 21:50:33 -0400
On 30 Jul 99, at 11:31, Mark Fender wrote:

> They're not any worse than they've been in the past. Anyone remember
> NERPS? The damn Queensryche symbol in practically every Paul Hume picture?
> The horrible, horrible Laubenstein pictures (no subliminal messages, but
> it makes you subliminally hate the game).

At last,.. somebody else who wonders what the frag FASA is
thinking having Laubenstein do their art.

---
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the bottom of the wings.
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Message no. 10
From: NightLife NightLif@***.net
Subject: New on fasa.com
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 02:05:36 -0400
>At last,.. somebody else who wonders what the frag FASA is
>thinking having Laubenstein do their art.

Proving that everybody except elves have at least five or six warts/moles
etc.. on their face. ;)

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Message no. 11
From: Bull bull@*******.net
Subject: New on fasa.com
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 04:02:16 -0400 (EDT)
At 02:05 AM 7/31/99 -0400, NightLife wrote these timeless words:
>>At last,.. somebody else who wonders what the frag FASA is
>>thinking having Laubenstein do their art.
>
>Proving that everybody except elves have at least five or six warts/moles
>etc.. on their face. ;)
>
Hmm, maybe I'm alone here, but I love Laubenstein artwork for teh Trolls
and Orks, and even trolls. Humans and elves leave a bit to be desired,
but... Him and Jim Nelson are the only two I've ever seen do justice to
the trog races :]

Bull
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Message no. 12
From: Steven A. Tinner bluewizard@*****.com
Subject: New on fasa.com
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 10:21:21 -0400
>Hmm, maybe I'm alone here, but I love Laubenstein artwork for teh Trolls
>and Orks, and even trolls. Humans and elves leave a bit to be desired,
>but... Him and Jim Nelson are the only two I've ever seen do justice to
>the trog races :]

Paul Bonner does a nice trog too.
IMO Laubenstein is the single largest reason I ever bought SR1 back in the
day.
I loved, and still love his Archetype pix. They are probably what I miss
most in SR3!

Laubenstein IMO draws people in a manner that is simultaneously cartoonish,
and realistic.
I enjoy the fact that not all of his runners are heroicly handsome, with
Charisma scores of 6.
I like the fact that his trogs are vile warty monsters - it helps you
understand why there is that racism in SR.

I think the best part of his art is that while anything he draws is
instantly identifiable as his artwork, each of his characters is unique. The
trolls, the elves, whatever, every character is an individual, with their
own flaws in appearance. That's refreshingly different from the stale boring
flat illustration style of other artists.

Laubenstien's artwork is easily understood if you compare it to that line
from Monty Python's "Holy Grail"
"How can you tell he's a king?"
"Because he hasn't got shit all over him"

"How can you tell that's not a Laubenstein picture?"
"Because he hasn;t got shit all over him!" ;-)

Steven A. Tinner
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http://listen.to/tinner
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Message no. 13
From: Martin Murray martin.murray@**********.com
Subject: New on fasa.com
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 16:19:52 +0100
>
> I think the best part of his art is that while anything he draws is
> instantly identifiable as his artwork, each of his characters is unique.
The
> trolls, the elves, whatever, every character is an individual, with their
> own flaws in appearance. That's refreshingly different from the stale
boring
> flat illustration style of other artists.
>


I agree with your sentiments entirely, the only other game illustrator that
I can readily identify is Elmore. But all of his characters have moviestar
looks, even the ugly ones.


MJM
Message no. 14
From: Bruce gyro@********.co.za
Subject: New on fasa.com
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 18:36:31 +0200
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From: Stefan <casanova@***.passagen.se>
To: shadowrn@*********.org <shadowrn@*********.org>
Date: 01 August 1999 01:24
Subject: RE: New on fasa.com


> > >At last,.. somebody else who wonders what the frag FASA is
> > >thinking having Laubenstein do their art.
> >
> > Proving that everybody except elves have at least five or six
warts/moles
> > etc.. on their face. ;)
>
> Hell, even his elves do.

What is wrong with Jeffs artwork ? OK I can agree on that there is a
hmm slightly higher wart factor in his work than in others, atleast
in the clipart or small pictures inside books. But if you look at
cover like Threats and NAN2 (which he drew) there are no warty orcs,
dragons or bugs ...

Other possible answers is that well if I am not wrong he does live in
Chicago and works at FASA so why not use there inhouse talent ? ok
there are a bunch of other talented artist around to but I don't see
what is so wrong about Jeff.

()()()()()() where are those damn arrow things? reply below
()()()()()()()()

I dont know about working for FASA, but lots of the newer Magic TG
cards are
illustrated by Jeff Laubenstein. Doing a good job of it too...

- - BRUCE <gyro@********.co.za>

<hard@****>
Message no. 15
From: Twist0059@***.com Twist0059@***.com
Subject: New on fasa.com
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 15:55:12 EDT
In a message dated 7/31/99 11:18:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
martin.murray@**********.com writes:

> >
> > I think the best part of his art is that while anything he draws is
> > instantly identifiable as his artwork, each of his characters is unique.
> The
> > trolls, the elves, whatever, every character is an individual, with their
> > own flaws in appearance. That's refreshingly different from the stale
> boring
> > flat illustration style of other artists.
> >
>
>
> I agree with your sentiments entirely, the only other game illustrator that
> I can readily identify is Elmore. But all of his characters have moviestar
> looks, even the ugly ones.


I always liked McDoughall (sp?) myself. He's the guy who did so many of the
Bug City illos and you can always tell his b&ws instantly. Now, for my least
favorite illustrator, I'd have to say Prescott. The guy has this
sloping-jaw, big-eye/lips combination technique which makes everybody look
like they're from Innsmouth or something.






-Twist
Message no. 16
From: Arcady arcady@***.net
Subject: New on fasa.com
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 14:19:24 -0700
> > I agree with your sentiments entirely, the only other game illustrator
that
> > I can readily identify is Elmore. But all of his characters
> > have moviestar looks, even the ugly ones.
>
> I always liked McDoughall (sp?) myself. He's the guy who did so many of
the
> Bug City illos and you can always tell his b&ws instantly. Now, for my
least
> favorite illustrator, I'd have to say Prescott. The guy has this
> sloping-jaw, big-eye/lips combination technique which makes
> everybody look like they're from Innsmouth or something.

Ah; another MacDougal fan. I've been wowed by his art since I bought GURPS
Witch World way back when.
I like Prescott too. Macdougal's my favorite but Prescott has a certain
strange style that fits SR very well. Wouldn't want to see him do my
Champions book though. :)

Actually I've been very impressed with Shadowrun Art in the more recent
books.

On to Elmore though. He's a very good painter. But... every single one of
his women looks like the same person. I've been told it's his wife. he needs
to get more models though.

Arcady http://www.jps.net/arcady/ <0){{{{><
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Message no. 17
From: Scott Wheelock iscottw@*****.nb.ca
Subject: New on fasa.com
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 19:21:10 -0300
"And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to Steven A. Tinner."
] Laubenstein IMO draws people in a manner that is simultaneously cartoonish,
] and realistic.
] I enjoy the fact that not all of his runners are heroicly handsome, with
] Charisma scores of 6.
] I like the fact that his trogs are vile warty monsters - it helps you
] understand why there is that racism in SR.
]
] I think the best part of his art is that while anything he draws is
] instantly identifiable as his artwork, each of his characters is unique. The
] trolls, the elves, whatever, every character is an individual, with their
] own flaws in appearance. That's refreshingly different from the stale boring
] flat illustration style of other artists.

Well, I certainly can't draw for crud, so I guess I should
acknowledge that he does have talent. But I can't stand his work...his
artwork often has these problems: limbs that aren't the same length,
impossible anatomy, and incredible amounts of lines with no shadow for
depth. I much prefer other atists. I'd also point out that many other
artists are instantly identifiable: Bergting, Bradstreet, Aulisio,
Jackson, MacDougall, Baxa, etc.

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Message no. 18
From: Darrell L. Bowman darrell@******.dhr.state.nc.us
Subject: New on fasa.com
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 18:59:29 -0400
On 31 Jul 99, at 2:05, NightLife wrote:

> >At last,.. somebody else who wonders what the frag FASA is
> >thinking having Laubenstein do their art.
>
> Proving that everybody except elves have at least five or six warts/moles
> etc.. on their face. ;)

Hell, even his elves do.

---
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censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom
denied, chains us all irrevocably.
-- Captain Picard, Star Trek - TNG: The Drumhead


Nightshade, Human Racoon Shaman
or
Raven, Elven Irish Rigger with an attitude.

Darrell Bowman
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Message no. 19
From: Stefan casanova@***.passagen.se
Subject: New on fasa.com
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 01:23:33 +0000
> > >At last,.. somebody else who wonders what the frag FASA is
> > >thinking having Laubenstein do their art.
> >
> > Proving that everybody except elves have at least five or six warts/moles
> > etc.. on their face. ;)
>
> Hell, even his elves do.

What is wrong with Jeffs artwork ? OK I can agree on that there is a
hmm slightly higher wart factor in his work than in others, atleast
in the clipart or small pictures inside books. But if you look at
cover like Threats and NAN2 (which he drew) there are no warty orcs,
dragons or bugs ...

Other possible answers is that well if I am not wrong he does live in
Chicago and works at FASA so why not use there inhouse talent ? ok
there are a bunch of other talented artist around to but I don't see
what is so wrong about Jeff.

.stefan


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Message no. 20
From: Darrell L. Bowman darrell@******.dhr.state.nc.us
Subject: New on fasa.com
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 19:32:32 -0400
On 31 Jul 99, at 4:02, Bull wrote:

> At 02:05 AM 7/31/99 -0400, NightLife wrote these timeless words:
> >>At last,.. somebody else who wonders what the frag FASA is
> >>thinking having Laubenstein do their art.
> >
> >Proving that everybody except elves have at least five or six warts/moles
> >etc.. on their face. ;)
> >
> Hmm, maybe I'm alone here, but I love Laubenstein artwork for teh Trolls
> and Orks, and even trolls. Humans and elves leave a bit to be desired,
> but... Him and Jim Nelson are the only two I've ever seen do justice to
> the trog races :]

I'm sorry Bull, but I just feel he over does it with the trolls,
orks, and especially the dwarves. Even his inanimate objects
are bumpy!!


---
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-- Smilin' Jack.


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or
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Darrell Bowman
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Message no. 21
From: Darrell L. Bowman darrell@******.dhr.state.nc.us
Subject: New on fasa.com
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 20:37:17 -0400
On 1 Aug 99, at 1:23, Stefan wrote:

> > > >At last,.. somebody else who wonders what the frag FASA is
> > > >thinking having Laubenstein do their art.
> > >
> > > Proving that everybody except elves have at least five or six
> > > warts/moles etc.. on their face. ;)
> >
> > Hell, even his elves do.
>
> What is wrong with Jeffs artwork ? OK I can agree on that there is a hmm
> slightly higher wart factor in his work than in others, atleast in the
> clipart or small pictures inside books. But if you look at cover like
> Threats and NAN2 (which he drew) there are no warty orcs, dragons or bugs

Bumpy people. Not just warts. To me, all his characters look
"rounded" at all their joints, their noses, etc... NAN2 is just
as bad as any of the other work I've seen, and the dragon on
Threats looks like a joke. I know it's being eaten, but what the
hey.. Remember too,.. this is just me. Jeff might be
considered a great artist, but I don't care for his stuff and I
wonder why so much of FASA stuff seems to be by him. I
guess somebody in their art department likes his stuff.

As a side note, I've got a buddy who submitted what I thought
was spectacular art to FASA and basically got a "we're not
interested" note back. When I compare what he sent in with
some of what they publish, I gotta' scratch my head.


---
Lord, Grant Me The Serenity To Accept
The Things I Cannot Change,
The Courage To Change The Things I Can,
And The Wisdom To Hide The Bodies Of Those
People I Had To Kill Because They Pissed Me Off.
-- ShadowRunner's Serenity Prayer


Nightshade, Human Racoon Shaman
or
Raven, Elven Irish Rigger with an attitude.

Darrell Bowman
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Message no. 22
From: NightLife NightLif@***.net
Subject: New on fasa.com
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 02:19:10 -0400
>What is wrong with Jeffs artwork ? OK I can agree on that there is a
>hmm slightly higher wart factor in his work than in others, atleast
>in the clipart or small pictures inside books. But if you look at
>cover like Threats and NAN2 (which he drew) there are no warty orcs,
>dragons or bugs ...

Ok INSHO His images are cartoonish, the atanomy is all off and everybody
looks like the need plastic surgery. If nothing else to burn off some wart.
His trolls are indeed ugly but so are all his humans.

>Other possible answers is that well if I am not wrong he does live in
>Chicago and works at FASA so why not use there inhouse talent ? ok
>there are a bunch of other talented artist around to but I don't see
>what is so wrong about Jeff.

It's a preference. I don't like Berting's b&w's but his colors are really
good. Baxa is ok and MacDougal(sp?) cover to SR3 is one of the best.
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Message no. 23
From: Dennis Steinmeijer dv8@********.nl
Subject: New on fasa.com
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 00:15:39 +0200
Twist wrote:
> I always liked McDoughall (sp?) myself. He's the guy who did so many of
the
> Bug City illos and you can always tell his b&ws instantly. Now, for my
least
> favorite illustrator, I'd have to say Prescott. The guy has this
> sloping-jaw, big-eye/lips combination technique which makes everybody look
> like they're from Innsmouth or something.

Tim Bradstreet,...there is no comparison (http://www.timbradstreet.com). I
loved his work in SR1 (and perhaps even SR2) and I am eagerly awaiting the
opening of his website.

Dennis

"Abashed the Devil stood,...and felt how awful Goodness is..."
Message no. 24
From: Twist0059@***.com Twist0059@***.com
Subject: New on fasa.com
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 19:39:32 EDT
In a message dated 8/1/99 6:16:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dv8@********.nl
writes:

> Tim Bradstreet,...there is no comparison (http://www.timbradstreet.com). I
> loved his work in SR1 (and perhaps even SR2) and I am eagerly awaiting the
> opening of his website.
>
> Dennis


Yes, Bradstreet is excellent. He has a whole book of his artwork for sale as
well. It's worth it.




-Twist
Message no. 25
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: New on fasa.com
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 23:03:42 -0700 (PDT)
> > > > >At last,.. somebody else who wonders what the frag FASA is
thinking having Laubenstein do their art.
> > > >
> > > > Proving that everybody except elves have at least five or six
warts/moles etc.. on their face. ;)
> > >
> > > Hell, even his elves do.
> >
> > What is wrong with Jeffs artwork ? OK I can agree on that there is
a hmm slightly higher wart factor in his work than in others, atleast
in the clipart or small pictures inside books. But if you look at cover
like Threats and NAN2 (which he drew) there are no warty orcs, dragons
or bugs
>
> Bumpy people. Not just warts. To me, all his characters look
"rounded" at all their joints, their noses, etc... NAN2 is just as bad
as any of the other work I've seen, and the dragon on Threats looks
like a joke. I know it's being eaten, but what the hey.. Remember
too,.. this is just me. Jeff might be considered a great artist, but I
don't care for his stuff and I wonder why so much of FASA stuff seems
to be by him. I guess somebody in their art department likes his stuff.
<Snipples(TM)>
> Darrell Bowman
> darrell@******.dhr.state.nc.us

You wonder why so much is by Laubenstein? You guess somebody somebody
in their art department likes his stuff?

You doofs.

Guys, next time you pick up a SR book, especially some of the latter
ones, check out the lists of artists. I always do (in the vain hope
that FASA'll get Karl Waller (my all time favourite B&W artist) to do
pics for them again). Just have a look at what exactly it is that Jeff
Laubenstein does...

Now I'm not sure if he's directly employed by FASA, but even if he
isn't, he's been working with them forever (just about since they first
started, if I'm not mistaken) and he does a LOT of arty stuff for them
besides drawing.

If he's in charge of the art for a book, do you think anyone's going to
tell him his pics aren't good enough?

Also, there's such a thing as loyalty. When someone's put that many
years into your books, you tend to be SOMEWHAT nice to them.

Oh, and Twist? When you were talking about MacDougall, did you mean THE
Doog? Larry MacDougall? You really LIKE his stuff?

*Doc' does an impression of a beached whale puking...*

I mean, really, his work SUCKS. I even like Bergting's stuff better.
There's absolutely no realism, except in a few, rare instances. Have
you ever checked out his pics in NAN1? We're talking non-human humans
here. Ack. Gag me.

*Doc' hurries into the toilet to purge himself of some vitriol before
it eats through his stomach lining...*
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Message no. 26
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: New on fasa.com
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 23:08:46 -0700 (PDT)
<Snippage(TM)>
> On to Elmore though. He's a very good painter. But... every single
one of his women looks like the same person. I've been told it's his
wife. he needs to get more models though.
> Arcady http://www.jps.net/arcady/ <0){{{{><

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Message no. 27
From: Scott Wheelock iscottw@*****.nb.ca
Subject: New on fasa.com
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 03:38:06 -0300
"And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to Rand Ratinac."

<snip reasonable well-thought out stuff>
] Oh, and Twist? When you were talking about MacDougall, did you mean THE
] Doog? Larry MacDougall? You really LIKE his stuff?
]
] *Doc' does an impression of a beached whale puking...*
]
] I mean, really, his work SUCKS. I even like Bergting's stuff better.
] There's absolutely no realism, except in a few, rare instances. Have
] you ever checked out his pics in NAN1? We're talking non-human humans
] here. Ack. Gag me.
]
] *Doc' hurries into the toilet to purge himself of some vitriol before
] it eats through his stomach lining...*

I guess it depends on what level of realism you like...I'm guessing,
Doc', that Bradstreet and Jackson would be more up your alley?
Bergting (my favourite SR artist) and MacDougall both have a very
stylized...umm, style. It ain't exactly photo-realistic, but it
conveys the idea, and the mood or the picture very well, I think.

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Message no. 28
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: New on fasa.com
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 00:08:58 -0700 (PDT)
> <snip reasonable well-thought out stuff>
> ] Oh, and Twist? When you were talking about MacDougall, did you mean
THE Doog? Larry MacDougall? You really LIKE his stuff?
> ]
> ] *Doc' does an impression of a beached whale puking...*
> ]
> ] I mean, really, his work SUCKS. I even like Bergting's stuff
better. There's absolutely no realism, except in a few, rare instances.
Have you ever checked out his pics in NAN1? We're talking non-human
humans here. Ack. Gag me.
> ]
> ] *Doc' hurries into the toilet to purge himself of some vitriol
before it eats through his stomach lining...*
>
> I guess it depends on what level of realism you like...I'm
guessing, Doc', that Bradstreet and Jackson would be more up your
alley? Bergting (my favourite SR artist) and MacDougall both have a
very stylized...umm, style. It ain't exactly photo-realistic, but it
conveys the idea, and the mood or the picture very well, I think.
> -Murder of One

Bradstreet was good and I quite like most of Jackson's work. As I
mentioned, my favourite was Karl Waller.

You have a point, I guess, but IMNSHO realism has to come in somewhere.
Doog's art doesn't strike me as stylised. "Messy" and "ugly" would be
better words IMO. But as always, YMMV.

If you hadn't guessed, I can't stand modern art (when talking about
paintings, esp. ones of people). It's gotta look somewhat real,
otherwise it doesn't take talent, it just takes paint. Sure, Doog and
Bergting have probably got talent (well, Bergting does - I do like that
elf with the top-hat near the front of MitS), but still...

Yeah, whatever. You like it, I can't stand it. Such is life. :)

*Doc' breaks into a Doris Day medley...*
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Message no. 29
From: Twist0059@***.com Twist0059@***.com
Subject: New on fasa.com
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 15:50:13 EDT
In a message dated 8/2/99 2:01:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
docwagon101@*****.com writes:

> Oh, and Twist? When you were talking about MacDougall, did you mean THE
> Doog? Larry MacDougall? You really LIKE his stuff?


Yeah, I've loved his stuff ever since Bug City.





-Twist
Message no. 30
From: Twist0059@***.com Twist0059@***.com
Subject: New on fasa.com
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 15:50:56 EDT
In a message dated 8/2/99 2:09:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
docwagon101@*****.com writes:

> > On to Elmore though. He's a very good painter. But... every single
> one of his women looks like the same person. I've been told it's his
> wife. he needs to get more models though.
> > Arcady http://www.jps.net/arcady/ <0){{{{><
>
> *Doc' whistles. "He's got one VERY cute wife then..."*


No kidding. He's married to Sally Tsung!




-Twist
Message no. 31
From: Twist0059@***.com Twist0059@***.com
Subject: New on fasa.com
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 15:53:19 EDT
In a message dated 8/2/99 3:05:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
docwagon101@*****.com writes:

> Sure, Doog and
> Bergting have probably got talent (well, Bergting does - I do like that
> elf with the top-hat near the front of MitS), but still...
>
> Yeah, whatever. You like it, I can't stand it. Such is life. :)


Bergting is another of my favorite FASA artists. I'm partial to B&W illos.




-Twist
Message no. 32
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: New on fasa.com
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 21:26:16 -0700 (PDT)
<Snipples(TM)>
> Pet peeve: whichever moron did the illustrations for the Columbia,
Missouri "Harlequin" run. Those are truly awful.
>
> --Number 10.

Thank you, thank you.

That would be Doog (Larry MacDougall) - the man whose work I love to
hate...the most.

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Message no. 33
From: Darrell L. Bowman darrell@******.dhr.state.nc.us
Subject: New on fasa.com
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 02:09:42 -0400
On 1 Aug 99, at 23:03, Rand Ratinac wrote:

> You wonder why so much is by Laubenstein? You guess somebody somebody in
> their art department likes his stuff?
>
> You doofs.

Hey dufus, watch who you call names.

I know what he does. I know how long he's been doing it.
Yeah, somebody does like his stuff. But it ain't me and I don't
understand it, okay?


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Message no. 34
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: New on fasa.com
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 23:31:40 -0700 (PDT)
> > You wonder why so much is by Laubenstein? You guess somebody
somebody in their art department likes his stuff?
> >
> > You doofs.
>
> Hey dufus, watch who you call names.
>
> I know what he does. I know how long he's been doing it. Yeah,
somebody does like his stuff. But it ain't me and I don't understand
it, okay?
> Darrell Bowman

Sorry, Darrell. Forgot the smileys. :)

Btw, that wasn't directed JUST at you - "doofs" is the plural of
"doof". :)

And I don't get it either - but it sounds like there are enough people
on the list (and thus probably amongst all SR players) who DO like his
work for him to keep his job.

*:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) Doc' belches. "'Scuse me." :) :) :) :) :)
:) :) :)*
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Message no. 35
From: Schizi@***.com Schizi@***.com
Subject: New on fasa.com
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:44:30 EDT
In a message dated 8/4/99 2:28:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
docwagon101@*****.com writes:

> And I don't get it either - but it sounds like there are enough people
> on the list (and thus probably amongst all SR players) who DO like his
> work for him to keep his job.
>
note also, from the interview with Mike M on Bulls site, it seems Laubenstein
worked with a lot of them before FASA.
Message no. 36
From: Darrell L. Bowman darrell@******.dhr.state.nc.us
Subject: New on fasa.com
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 00:17:36 -0400
On 3 Aug 99, at 23:31, Rand Ratinac wrote:

> Sorry, Darrell. Forgot the smileys. :)

hehe,...

> Btw, that wasn't directed JUST at you - "doofs" is the plural of
> "doof". :)

Hmm,.. is a doof different than a dufus??

> And I don't get it either - but it sounds like there are enough people on
> the list (and thus probably amongst all SR players) who DO like his work
> for him to keep his job.

Yeah, there's no accounting for taste, huh?

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