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Message no. 1
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: [OT] FASA in the toons? (Was Re: FASA in the movies)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 23:32:56 -0400
At 08:09 PM 7/23/98 EDT, Michael vanHulst wrote these timeless words:
>In a message dated 98-07-23 18:59:11 EDT, you write:
>
>> I kinda like the Spiderman Animated TV show as well as The Superman
>> Animated
>> Adventures. Nothing compared to anime, but still decent as far as humor
and
>> plot goes.
>
>Spiderman and X-men and even Fantastic Four would be better if they actually
>had new plots instead of rehashing comics from forever ago.
>
Fantastic Four/Iron Man (Done by the same company/animators/writers, I
believe) sucked, IMNSHO. They changed too much about the characters and
how stuff worked in Iron Man, and FF was just lame.

X-men had a lot of promise, but I've never been able to see two consecutive
episodes in a row. They did a bad joib of how the aired those, and the
series took too long to go anywhere when I DID figure out what was happening.

Spiderman and the rather short lived Hulk cartoons were the only two I saw
that I thought were well done, though SPidey started suiffering the same
fate as all toons shown on Fox... They don;t believe in continuity.
That's fine for single episode toons like Animaniacs or most of the stuff
they show (EVen most of the Batman/SUperman eps), but for Spidey (And
Gargoyles when it was still shown on FOx) there was a definate linear
storyline, with the characters and even minor charcaters developing as the
show went on. So when they show one epsiode from the first season today,
and one epsiode from season three tomorrow, it gets confusing. Add in the
factor that the show was often done in multi-part storylines, things really
get bad...

Anyways, to be honest, one of the reasons that I liked the cartoons was
that I was highly amused to see how they took 30 years of character history
and crammed stuff together to make a new storyline. Sure, some of the
stuff was just WRONG, and they mixed and matched too much, but overall the
effect was that sure, I kinda recgnize this plot, but it's almost totally
different now. Sort of like watching an alternate timeline...

I especially liked Secret Wars. That was really fragging cool to see how
they m,ashed that together. Barely resembled the old secret wars... :]

Anyways, to drag this on topic, you're right. SHadowrun would most likely
not be a good syndicated cartoon. It could do well as a carton format,
though I also don;t agree that it would have to be done outsode the US for
it to be any good. I've seen an awful lot of Japanese Trash as well.
There's just so much more Anime available, and what gets imported is the
stuff that's different from our own, because why do we want to see a
Japanese version of the Flinstones, we have that. But we don;t have
anything like Record of Lodoss War or Guyver.

If it could be sold to one of the cable networks, you might be able to
really do something that relfects the darker Shadowrun world (THough lets
face it, we'll all argue over just how dark SR really is.). Spawn as a
concept is a good start. (THough I think the cartoon has really abused the
fact that it can show nudity and swear and show masses of blood and guts.
ANd I don;t think much of McFarlane as a peron or a writer. Decent artist,
if a bit reprtitive. At least the HBO series actually developed a plot
after an epsiode or two. I read the first 16 issues of the comic and
almost nothing happened). Invasion America was a good start, whether you
liked the story or not, it was a major step towards creating a serious
animated drama.

Besides... I could really get behind the Bull the Heroic Ork Decker Action
Figure battling Evil Wasp Spirits and the evil Aztechnology Megacorp :]

<grin>

Anyways, just my 2 cents.. Enjoy :]

Bull


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Message no. 2
From: "M. Sean Martinez" <ElBandit@***.COM>
Subject: Re: [OT] FASA in the toons? (Was Re: FASA in the movies)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 14:06:22 EDT
In a message dated 7/24/98 12:27:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, chaos@*****.COM
writes:

> Spiderman and the rather short lived Hulk cartoons were the only two I saw
> that I thought were well done, though SPidey started suiffering the same
> fate as all toons shown on Fox... They don;t believe in continuity.

Now Imagine the nightmare of taping them! Even WB doesn't really their cartoon
in order either, but they at least show parts 1 and 2 consectively.

-El Bandit
Message no. 3
From: "Ubiratan P. Alberton" <ubiratan@**.HOMESHOPPING.COM.BR>
Subject: Re: [OT] FASA in the toons? (Was Re: FASA in the movies)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:09:29 -0300
At 23:32 23/07/98 -0400, you wrote:
>At 08:09 PM 7/23/98 EDT, Michael vanHulst wrote these timeless words:
>>In a mess
>Anyways, to drag this on topic, you're right. SHadowrun would most likely
>not be a good syndicated cartoon. It could do well as a carton format,
>though I also don;t agree that it would have to be done outsode the US for
>it to be any good. I've seen an awful lot of Japanese Trash as well.
>There's just so much more Anime available, and what gets imported is the
>stuff that's different from our own, because why do we want to see a
>Japanese version of the Flinstones, we have that. But we don;t have
>anything like Record of Lodoss War or Guyver.

Yes, there is a lot of bad anime. But in Japan, the anime industry is
like the movie industry for
the US. You find productions of all genres, and in all range sof quality.
The good anime is better than
most things that come out of American drawing boards, IMnsHO. (Compare the
two Darkstalkers : ) ).


Bira

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