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Message no. 1
From: Bull bull@*******.net
Subject: [OT] General List Behavior and Attitude towards FASA
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:32:29 -0400 (EDT)
I just wanted to say that I'm *REALLY* dissappointed in some of you.

This list was, at one point and time (And still is, to a MUCH lesser
degree) a place where friendships were forged and people got together to
intelligently and rationally discuss Shadowrun as well as other, more fun
(though OT) things like Woodchucks, tea, and peanut butter.

But lately, a LOT of the fun has been lost. You bicker, complain, and
criticize, occasionally going way beyond the line of good taste and openly
flame people.

And frankly, I miss the old days.

This is not directed towards everyone, or even anyone in particular, it's
just an open post. But guys, relax and have fun. Really, if you take
things this seriously, remember: IT'S JUST A GAME! We're doing this for
fun. And if you're doing it for ANY other reason, get out now, because
you're playing for the wrong reason.

Ok, I'm done. <sigh>

Bull -- Feeling the years
--
Bull -- The Best Ork Decker You Never Met
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Message no. 2
From: Twist0059@***.com Twist0059@***.com
Subject: [OT] General List Behavior and Attitude towards FASA
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:34:41 EDT
In a message dated 8/10/99 11:20:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
bull@*******.net writes:

> Bull -- Feeling the years
> --
> Bull -- The Best Ork Decker You Never Met


I agree with you, Bull. You're right. If my older posts about my dislike
of the DHS helped chime into this feeling of bickering, I apologize.

On to lighter topics, about your sig line. Very cool. Here's something I
was wondering though: All things being equal, an Ork could never be a better
decker than a Human. Att maxes and att links and all. Doesn't that seem a
little wonky? I know aptitudes can greatly influence talent, and that's why
someone who doesn't work as hard as someone else can still be better than the
other person, but should this apply to whole races?




-Twist
Message no. 3
From: GreyWolf sparrow@***.net.au
Subject: [OT] General List Behavior and Attitude towards FASA
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:37:43 +1000
Bull wrote:

> I just wanted to say that I'm *REALLY* dissappointed in some of you.
>
> This list was, at one point and time (And still is, to a MUCH lesser
> degree) a place where friendships were forged and people got together to
> intelligently and rationally discuss Shadowrun as well as other, more fun
> (though OT) things like Woodchucks, tea, and peanut butter.
>
> But lately, a LOT of the fun has been lost. You bicker, complain, and
> criticize, occasionally going way beyond the line of good taste and openly
> flame people.
>
> And frankly, I miss the old days.
>
> This is not directed towards everyone, or even anyone in particular, it's
> just an open post. But guys, relax and have fun. Really, if you take
> things this seriously, remember: IT'S JUST A GAME! We're doing this for
> fun. And if you're doing it for ANY other reason, get out now, because
> you're playing for the wrong reason.
>
> Ok, I'm done. <sigh>
>
> Bull -- Feeling the years

*GreyWolf applauds Bull.. and looks forward to meeting the big guy finally at
origins or gencon sometime in the next 2 years or so*


--
"I don't know, Scotty. Maybe it's just the _idea_ of an inflatable
rubber starship that bothers me."
Message no. 4
From: Jon Oess oess@*******.com
Subject: [OT] General List Behavior and Attitude towards FASA
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:00:35 -0500
Twist0059@***.com wrote:

> > Bull -- The Best Ork Decker You Never Met
>
> I agree with you, Bull. You're right. If my older posts about my dislike
> of the DHS helped chime into this feeling of bickering, I apologize.
>
> On to lighter topics, about your sig line. Very cool. Here's something I
> was wondering though: All things being equal, an Ork could never be a better
> decker than a Human.

He doesn't say he's the best decker, only the best ORK decker...
Message no. 5
From: Twist0059@***.com Twist0059@***.com
Subject: [OT] General List Behavior and Attitude towards FASA
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 04:26:51 EDT
In a message dated 8/11/99 12:11:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
oess@*******.com writes:

> > > Bull -- The Best Ork Decker You Never Met
> >
> > I agree with you, Bull. You're right. If my older posts about my
> dislike
> > of the DHS helped chime into this feeling of bickering, I apologize.
> >
> > On to lighter topics, about your sig line. Very cool. Here's something
I
> > was wondering though: All things being equal, an Ork could never be a
> better
> > decker than a Human.
>
> He doesn't say he's the best decker, only the best ORK decker...
>


I know, but it got me thinking about the situation with metas like Orks and
Trolls and intelligence-based archtypes. (Which reminds me, Bull, I'd love
to see the decker's stats, if you wouldn't mind.)




-Twist
Message no. 6
From: Steven A. Tinner bluewizard@*****.com
Subject: [OT] General List Behavior and Attitude towards FASA
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 05:53:44 -0400
>I know, but it got me thinking about the situation with metas like Orks and
>Trolls and intelligence-based archtypes. (Which reminds me, Bull, I'd
love
>to see the decker's stats, if you wouldn't mind.)

No you wouldn't.
Beleive me.
He's posted them before, and people just start screaming "Munchkin!" before
they consider that the character is ... what ... 8 years old now?

Steven A. Tinner
bluewizard@*****.com
http://listen.to/tinner
"God is my co-pilot, but the Devil is my bombardier."
Message no. 7
From: Twist0059@***.com Twist0059@***.com
Subject: [OT] General List Behavior and Attitude towards FASA
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 07:13:58 EDT
In a message dated 8/11/99 5:56:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
bluewizard@*****.com writes:

> >I know, but it got me thinking about the situation with metas like Orks and
> >Trolls and intelligence-based archtypes. (Which reminds me, Bull, I'd
> love
> >to see the decker's stats, if you wouldn't mind.)
>
> No you wouldn't.
> Beleive me.
> He's posted them before, and people just start screaming "Munchkin!"
before
> they consider that the character is ... what ... 8 years old now?
>


Bull: The Best <and Scariest> Ork Decker You Never Met????

I don't think a powerful character that was created 8 years ago is
munchkinism. Now, let me describe munchkinism to you: Online game I was in
briefly (very briefly, like 2 sessions brief; the GM got tired) had a
character. A Vampire PC character, an Adept Vampire PC. (::gag::) This
Vampire PC was under 2 years old since creation (which only means about 1
year at most because of the online gaming time-lag). This character had an
Unarmed Combat Skill of 28. No, that isn't a mis-type. Unarmed Combat 28.

Nevermind the character never *acted* like a Vampire. It was all a
power-game for the guy.

That is a munchkin.





-Twist
Message no. 8
From: Schizi@***.com Schizi@***.com
Subject: [OT] General List Behavior and Attitude towards FASA
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 11:31:09 EDT
In a message dated 8/11/99 5:56:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
bluewizard@*****.com writes:

> No you wouldn't.
> Beleive me.
> He's posted them before, and people just start screaming "Munchkin!"
before
> they consider that the character is ... what ... 8 years old now?
>
IIRC from his site, isn't he also the "Best Wendigo Decker You Never Met"
now? :-)
Message no. 9
From: Geoffrey Haacke knight_errant30@*******.com
Subject: [OT] General List Behavior and Attitude towards FASA
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:51:46 CST
>From: Bull <bull@*******.net>
>Bull -- Feeling the years

Umm, Bull, you're not that old. Yet. :)

Geoff Haacke
"If you not part of the solution then you are part of the precipitate."
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups."


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