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Message no. 1
From: Jeremiah Stevens <jeremiah@********.EDU>
Subject: Re: Permanency of Anchorings ( Was: Making Magical Potions)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:31:59 -0500
On Tue, 4 Nov 1997, Justin Pinnow wrote:

>
> *Sigh* How many times do we have to say it? Anchored spells ARE NOT
> PERMANENT. They are used up and go away and have to be re-Anchored if you
> want to use them again.
>
> Justin :)
>
While the spell goes away when it is triggered, the object to which it was
anchored is still prepared to accept another anchoring, the mage must
simply cas the spell. There is no need to spend additional karma to
reprepare the object. In this respect, anchoring is a permanent effect.
This is stated rather explicitly in Grim. II.
Message no. 2
From: Matthew Johnson <mjohnson@*.ARIZONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Permanency of Anchorings ( Was: Making Magical Potions)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:43:28 -0700
> On Tue, 4 Nov 1997, Justin Pinnow wrote:
>
> >
> > *Sigh* How many times do we have to say it? Anchored spells ARE NOT
> > PERMANENT. They are used up and go away and have to be re-Anchored if
you
> > want to use them again.
> >
Okay, this topic is important to me. Let me get this straight. An item is
prepared, the karma spent. The spell(s) and link(s) are anchored. Unless
there is a temporal link (and the spell is a sustained spell), the spell is
gone after it is deactivated. The item can later have spells anchored to
it, up to a certain amount of Force, without requiring additional Karma.
Is this on the right track?

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Matthew Johnson
mjohnson@*.arizona.edu
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Message no. 3
From: David Thompson <david.s.thompson@****.EDU>
Subject: Re: Permanency of Anchorings ( Was: Making Magical Potions)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 18:18:45 -0400
At 01:43 PM 11/4/97 -0700, you wrote:
>> On Tue, 4 Nov 1997, Justin Pinnow wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > *Sigh* How many times do we have to say it? Anchored spells ARE NOT
>> > PERMANENT. They are used up and go away and have to be re-Anchored if
>you
>> > want to use them again.
>> >
>Okay, this topic is important to me. Let me get this straight. An item is
>prepared, the karma spent. The spell(s) and link(s) are anchored. Unless
>there is a temporal link (and the spell is a sustained spell), the spell is
>gone after it is deactivated. The item can later have spells anchored to
>it, up to a certain amount of Force, without requiring additional Karma.
>Is this on the right track?

Exactly, think of the amount of karma put into the anchoring as the limit
on the total of [force points of spells AND number of links] that the
object can hold. Additionally, the mage can then add more karma, thereby
increasing the total (you don't have to start from scratch but can
increment the amount it can hold). One final note, only the mage who put
the karma in can cast spells + links into the object, but I believe other
mages can put their own karma in and use the object as well (but of that
I'm not sure).

--DT
Message no. 4
From: Mark Steedman <M.J.Steedman@***.RGU.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Permanency of Anchorings ( Was: Making Magical Potions)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 11:23:04 GMT
Matthew Johnson writes

> Okay, this topic is important to me. Let me get this straight. An item is
> prepared, the karma spent. The spell(s) and link(s) are anchored. Unless
> there is a temporal link (and the spell is a sustained spell), the spell is
> gone after it is deactivated. The item can later have spells anchored to
> it, up to a certain amount of Force, without requiring additional Karma.
> Is this on the right track?
>
This is correct. The later spells don't have to be the same even,
just the total summed force of the spells plus the number of links
may not exceed the karma spend on making the item anchoring suitable.

Mark
Message no. 5
From: "Jackson, Hank" <Hank.Jackson@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Permanency of Anchorings ( Was: Making Magical Potions)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 08:41:01 -0500
Hello all,

>>Matthew Johnson writes

>>The item can later have spells anchored to
>> it, up to a certain amount of Force, without requiring additional
Karma.
>> Is this on the right track?

A couple of people have confirmed that this is correct, but in all of my
reading of the Grimore I had not been able to find where this was
stated. I had been under the impression that once the spell was
activated, the anchoring unraveled unless there were other spells
anchored to the item holding it together. It appears that I was wrong.
Thus, a mage could create a bracelet that stored a very low power Heal
Serious Damage that activated he she clapped her hands. After the spell
was activated, the anchoring would be still active, but she would have
to recast the Heal spell in order to make it usable again.

On another note, it is my understanding that an anchor could be attacked
from astral space and be "unraveled". What happens to the spell energy
stored in it?

Intrigued,

Galen
Message no. 6
From: Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Permanency of Anchorings ( Was: Making Magical Potions)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 09:11:39 +0000
> A couple of people have confirmed that this is correct, but in all of my
> reading of the Grimore I had not been able to find where this was
> stated. I had been under the impression that once the spell was

I don't have my book on hand, but I've confirmed at other times, so
its in there somewhere.

> was activated, the anchoring would be still active, but she would have
> to recast the Heal spell in order to make it usable again.

True. Or she could put another spell in there. All that matters is
the sum of the Force of the spell(s) and the number of links.

> On another note, it is my understanding that an anchor could be attacked
> from astral space and be "unraveled". What happens to the spell energy
> stored in it?

This they mention as well....it goes off. For sustained spells,
nothing happens (Effect happens for 0 time), but instant spells go
whoosh. This tends to prevent offensive anchors.

-=SwiftOne=-
Brett Borger
SwiftOne@***.edu
AAP Techie
Message no. 7
From: Mark Steedman <M.J.Steedman@***.RGU.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Permanency of Anchorings ( Was: Making Magical Potions)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:19:41 GMT
Jackson, Hank writes
>
> >>The item can later have spells anchored to
> >> it, up to a certain amount of Force, without requiring additional
> Karma.
> >> Is this on the right track?
>
> A couple of people have confirmed that this is correct, but in all of my
> reading of the Grimore I had not been able to find where this was
> stated.
p46 GR2.

> I had been under the impression that once the spell was
> activated, the anchoring unraveled unless there were other spells
> anchored to the item holding it together. It appears that I was wrong.
The spell complex does but setting the spells in the object and
preparing the object for Anchoring (which is the big which requires
karma) are two different stages (prepre object left column p46 GR2,
set spells right hand column, same page)

> Thus, a mage could create a bracelet that stored a very low power Heal
> Serious Damage that activated he she clapped her hands.
yes.

> After the spell was activated, the anchoring would be still
> active,
no, but the object would still be prepared for Anchoring.

> but she would have
> to recast the Heal spell in order to make it usable again.
correct but thats all the magician would have to do.

>
> On another note, it is my understanding that an anchor could be attacked
> from astral space and be "unraveled". What happens to the spell energy
> stored in it?
>
see P49 GR2, depends on spell but Anchored fireballs and this
procedure are comparable to bomb disposal with a lighted match :)

Mark
Message no. 8
From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Permanency of Anchorings ( Was: Making Magical Potions)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 22:44:43 -0500
In a message dated 97-11-04 18:23:40 EST, david.s.thompson@****.EDU writes:

>
> Exactly, think of the amount of karma put into the anchoring as the limit
> on the total of [force points of spells AND number of links] that the
> object can hold. Additionally, the mage can then add more karma, thereby
> increasing the total (you don't have to start from scratch but can
> increment the amount it can hold). One final note, only the mage who put
> the karma in can cast spells + links into the object, but I believe other
> mages can put their own karma in and use the object as well (but of that
> I'm not sure).
>
That is not entirely correct actually. An Anchoring also requires a design
(theory) of it's own. That design is rather partial to itself. Modifying
the "anchoring" requires modification to the design itself. It's in the
rules.

As for the latter part about the originating magician being the only one to
put magic into an item later is open to debate, especially with Initiates and
Quests of Knowledge. It would be more like one guy learning the true name
for a Free Spirit then usurping/overriding the control of the being in
question. If a magician were to reverse-engineer or otherwise redevelop the
formula, they could in theory do much to the Anchoring itself.

An interesting twist to the idea of modifying an anchoring after it's initial
conception. Ever considered simply putting into the design of an "addition"
that "this effect" comes into effect once "the original anchoring"
turns on?

-K
Message no. 9
From: David Thompson <david.s.thompson@****.EDU>
Subject: Re: Permanency of Anchorings ( Was: Making Magical Potions)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 22:59:27 -0400
"J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM> wrote:

>That is not entirely correct actually. An Anchoring also requires a design
>(theory) of it's own. That design is rather partial to itself. Modifying
>the "anchoring" requires modification to the design itself. It's in the
>rules.

Actually the rules say nothing like that what-so-ever. What they say is
that the anchoring (spells + links) is "not designed into a spell as part
of the spell-design process, though they use the same kind of Drain Target
and Drain Level modifiers." The minimum time it takes to prepare an object
is 1 minute per (force points + links)/(success from enchanting test, if any)
and to cast the anchoring: time to cast spells + 1 complex action per
link. There is no design time at all. One can enchant the object further
(base time 10 days, no karma cost) to try to reduce the target number for
the anchoring, but that is not required.

In other words, if you have an already prepared object, you can cast
something like an invisibility spell with an activation link and temporal
(sustained) link in 3 complex actions, completely on the fly, and
irrespective of what the anchoring was used for before, as long as it was
yours to begin with. Of course, the drain will get you every time since
the magic pool does not refresh during the process of multiple spells
(triggers + spells), but it still can be done. Trying it with increase
reflexes +3D6 is asking for a nap, however.

--DT
Message no. 10
From: Mike Bobroff <AirWisp@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Permanency of Anchorings ( Was: Making Magical Potions)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 01:38:48 -0500
In a message dated 97-11-05 06:23:49 EST, you write:

> > Okay, this topic is important to me. Let me get this straight. An item is
> > prepared, the karma spent. The spell(s) and link(s) are anchored. Unless
> > there is a temporal link (and the spell is a sustained spell), the spell

> is
> > gone after it is deactivated. The item can later have spells anchored to
> > it, up to a certain amount of Force, without requiring additional Karma.
> > Is this on the right track?
> >
> This is correct. The later spells don't have to be the same even,
> just the total summed force of the spells plus the number of links
> may not exceed the karma spend on making the item anchoring suitable.
>
> Mark

A cigar is handed out to both of you ... yes ...

Mike

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