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Message no. 1
From: Lady Jestyr <jestyr@*******.DIALIX.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: Plastic Money [getting a bit OT]
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 10:00:03 +1100
> > Yep. Can't be ripped (easily), can go thru the wash unharmed, and is
> > extremely hard to counterfeit atm. The Reserve Bank of Australia says
>
> ANYthing can be copied. I'd guess that Austrailian money hasn't been
> copied because the profit isn't there, not because it is hard to do.

Wait until you've seen the money before you pass judgement. Yes, it may
technically be possible to copy the money (after all it has to be
possible to make it) but it's not worth doing because it is *so hard* to
copy. In what, five years since it came in? they haven't had a *single*
counterfeiting case in the entire country.

Lady Jestyr

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Message no. 2
From: "Elfman(Sgt Pepper) & Danita" <elf-dani@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Plastic Money [getting a bit OT]
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 18:34:18 -0700
: From: Lady Jestyr <jestyr@*******.DIALIX.COM.AU>
:
: Wait until you've seen the money before you pass judgement. Yes, it
may
: technically be possible to copy the money (after all it has to be
: possible to make it) but it's not worth doing because it is *so
hard* to
: copy. In what, five years since it came in? they haven't had a
*single*
: counterfeiting case in the entire country.
:
Hey this reminds me of something I have heard.

In some kind of trivia game somewhere was the following question:

Which country has the picture of a convicted counterfeiter(sp) on
it's money?

The answer was Australia, owning to the fact that it was once a
British penial colony, and the particular person was sent there for
counterfeiting, and once there, helped to establish the government
and became quite a figure in it.

I was wondering as to the truthfulness of this. Can any of the
Aussies shed any light on it?

Sgt Pepper

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Message no. 3
From: Droopy <droopy@*******.NB.NET>
Subject: Re: Plastic Money [getting a bit OT]
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 01:25:49 +0000
> From: Lady Jestyr <jestyr@*******.DIALIX.COM.AU>
> Subject: Re: Plastic Money [getting a bit OT]

> > ANYthing can be copied. I'd guess that Austrailian money hasn't been
> > copied because the profit isn't there, not because it is hard to do.
>
> Wait until you've seen the money before you pass judgement. Yes, it may
> technically be possible to copy the money (after all it has to be
> possible to make it) but it's not worth doing because it is *so hard* to
> copy. In what, five years since it came in? they haven't had a *single*
> counterfeiting case in the entire country.

With all due respect, Lady J, that is exactly what I said. Nobody
makes $1 bills because there is no profit in it. OTOH, this year's
forgery fad in Pittsburgh, PA is local mass transit (bus) passes.
They figure that this guy is making $30k a month doing it.

If I had a mind to do such things, I could make a mint printing up
fake drivers lisences. I happen to have equipment capable of doing
that (they are imprinted on plastic like a credit card.) How many
people out there would buy a $5k dye sublimination printer just to do
something like that? (note: I turned down $100 the other day for such
a request.)

To return to SR with this thread, finding a fake ID/credstick should
be pretty darn hard, especially with the amount of background that
has to go into it. SR always treated fake Id's as pretty common, but
I'd guess that they would not be. The profit has to be there
(figure time, materials, decker's time, potential bail, etc.)

You'd also HAVE to go through a FoF, for NO ONE would touch you if
they don't know you. Forging a govt ID would be a minor thing, but
forging a corp ID would be pretty major if caught.


--Droopy


droopy@**.net
Message no. 4
From: Shawn Baumgartner <Breakdown@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: Plastic Money [getting a bit OT]
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 04:20:40 -0500
In response to Droopy's posting on difficulty of fake ID's:

I dunno about them being uncommon. I had a California DL a few years
back that looked totally legit and got my into a lot of places (and
beers) without a second glance. I bought it Tijuana for fifty bucks. I
figure as long as the officials keep making ID harder to forge, forgers
are going to get better at forging them. Especially in Shadowrun, where
so many people are SINless for one reason or another, yet still want to
travel, or do other things that require ID. Kinda like the axiom that
weapons can always kill better than armor can protect. Of course, corp
ID will be harder because of the risks corporations have from intruders
compared to the club owner or customs official.

Shawn
Glad to be of age now that the credit card type ID's are so common.

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Message no. 5
From: Droopy <droopy@*******.NB.NET>
Subject: Re: Plastic Money [getting a bit OT]
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 01:46:57 +0000
> From: Shawn Baumgartner <Breakdown@*****.NET>
> Subject: Re: Plastic Money [getting a bit OT]

> I dunno about them being uncommon. I had a California DL a few years
<snip>
> are going to get better at forging them. Especially in Shadowrun, where
> so many people are SINless for one reason or another, yet still want to
> travel, or do other things that require ID. Kinda like the axiom that

I was blathering about hard ID's that would stand up to more than a
cursory scan, not everyday Jane Doe ID's to get on the bus or buy a
soycaffe.

> weapons can always kill better than armor can protect. Of course, corp

It's actually the other way around, but you're close. The technology
of the forger will always be equal to or inferior to the technology
of the original maker. Usually the forger is a step or two behind.

> ID will be harder because of the risks corporations have from intruders
> compared to the club owner or customs official.

Yes, my point exactly.

> Glad to be of age now that the credit card type ID's are so common.

And why is that? Perhaps because they are harder to forge?
Pennsylvania is on it's 3rd ID type in 8 years or so to try and stay
ahead of the forgers. Now they've added magnetic scan strips and
barcodes so the police can scan them faster and without mistakes.


--Droopy
droopy@**.net

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