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Message no. 1
From: DemonPenta@***.com DemonPenta@***.com
Subject: Renny and the House on the Edge of the Matrix...
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:27:59 EDT
After reading that story over again last night, I'm wondering: Did Renny,
Halberstam, etc. ever appear again? Was that project ever explored more? Was
it, as I suspect, the creation of the first Otaku?

John
Message no. 2
From: caelric@****.com caelric@****.com
Subject: Renny and the House on the Edge of the Matrix...
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 11:31:35 -0700
At 02:27 PM 8/4/00 EDT, you wrote:
>After reading that story over again last night, I'm wondering: Did Renny,
>Halberstam, etc. ever appear again? Was that project ever explored more? Was
>it, as I suspect, the creation of the first Otaku?
>
>John

Wasn't there something about it in Threats? I don't have my book handy,
but I think there was...Halberstams Babies, or somethinglike that?

Dave
Message no. 3
From: DemonPenta@***.com DemonPenta@***.com
Subject: Renny and the House on the Edge of the Matrix...
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:38:12 EDT
In a message dated 8/4/00 2:37:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, caelric@****.com
writes:

> Wasn't there something about it in Threats? I don't have my book handy,
> but I think there was...Halberstams Babies, or somethinglike that?

I've never had Threats. tis outta print anyway.
Message no. 4
From: Bai Shen baishen@**********.com
Subject: Renny and the House on the Edge of the Matrix...
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 14:43:29 -0400
DemonPenta@***.com wrote:
>
> After reading that story over again last night, I'm wondering: Did Renny,
> Halberstam, etc. ever appear again? Was that project ever explored more? Was
> it, as I suspect, the creation of the first Otaku?
>
> John

What story are you talking about?

Bai Shen
Message no. 5
From: caelric@****.com caelric@****.com
Subject: Renny and the House on the Edge of the Matrix...
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 11:52:33 -0700
At 02:38 PM 8/4/00 EDT, you wrote:
>In a message dated 8/4/00 2:37:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, caelric@****.com
>writes:
>
>> Wasn't there something about it in Threats? I don't have my book handy,
>> but I think there was...Halberstams Babies, or somethinglike that?
>
> I've never had Threats. tis outta print anyway.
>
>

Yep, Halberstams Babies is in Threats.

Anyways, good book to get. Explains a couple of things about the Sixth
World. Interesting read, also.

Heres a link where a bookstore is selling it for $16.50

http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/glance-browse/Y03Y3786822Y3903540/ix=fixed-
price&rank=%2Dbfp&fqp=org-unit-id%014%02site-org-unit-id%014%02enddate%010a-
%02title%01%20Threats&nspÛdat%011&szP&pg=1/15/26/qid–5415315/ZS=1-15/0
02-3551642-7804800


Ack! Thats a long link. Better bet is to go to www.amazon.com, search for
threats and look in zShops, which are shops that are linked to Amazon, but
sell older and used books.

Dave
Message no. 6
From: Sommers sommers@*****.umich.edu
Subject: Renny and the House on the Edge of the Matrix...
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 15:15:32 -0400
At 02:27 PM 8/4/2000, DemonPenta@***.com wrote:
>After reading that story over again last night, I'm wondering: Did Renny,
>Halberstam, etc. ever appear again? Was that project ever explored more? Was
>it, as I suspect, the creation of the first Otaku?
>
>John

The next step in Dr. Halberstam's experiments are detailed in the Threats
sourcebook. You can also find some information about him in the SR novel
Psychotrope.

As far as I can tell, he had absolutely nothing to do with the creation of
the Otaku. In fact, the entity(ies?) that create the Otaku would probably
not like the good doctor at all.

Sommers
Aerospace engineers build weapon systems. Civil engineers build targets.
Message no. 7
From: Rat winterhawk@*********.net
Subject: Renny and the House on the Edge of the Matrix...
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 12:28:29 -0700
From: caelric@****.com

> At 02:38 PM 8/4/00 EDT, you wrote:
> >In a message dated 8/4/00 2:37:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, caelric@****.com
> >writes:
> >
> >> Wasn't there something about it in Threats? I don't have my book handy,
> >> but I think there was...Halberstams Babies, or somethinglike that?
> >
> > I've never had Threats. tis outta print anyway.
> >
> >
>
> Yep, Halberstams Babies is in Threats.
>

Halberstam is also mentioned in Lisa Smedman's novel
"Psychotrope."

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Message no. 8
From: Lars Wagner Hansen l-hansen@*****.tele.dk
Subject: Renny and the House on the Edge of the Matrix...
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 22:11:22 +0200
From: Bai Shen <baishen@**********.com>


> > After reading that story over again last night, I'm wondering: Did
Renny,
> > Halberstam, etc. ever appear again? Was that project ever explored more?
Was
> > it, as I suspect, the creation of the first Otaku?
>
> What story are you talking about?

It's the short story that makes up half of Virtual Realities, a sourcebook
that expanded the Matrix rules for SR 1st edition.

Lars
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Message no. 9
From: NeoJudas neojudas@******************.com
Subject: Renny and the House on the Edge of the Matrix...
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 19:20:03 -0500
From: <DemonPenta@***.com>
Subject: Renny and the House on the Edge of the Matrix...


> After reading that story over again last night, I'm wondering: Did Renny,
> Halberstam, etc. ever appear again? Was that project ever explored more?
Was
> it, as I suspect, the creation of the first Otaku?

Couple of things to help here.

1) Halbersteim's Babies is explained in considerable detail in the
"Threats" book as has been mentioned already. It details some very sinister
considerations with regards to the concepts of keeping the nervous systems
of the children alive (functional at least) and using them as a kind of
"brain-born matrix operator". Not the same thing as the Otaku by a long
step, but there are many similarities between the two.

2) Renny makes a couple of "appearances" in the old shadowtalk boxes of a
few books, Shadowtech mostly I think.

3) Halbersteim was explored very briefly in the novel Psychotrope, of who's
events may be explained a bit more in upcoming sourcebook releases.

4) Halbersteim would also be considered an "Enemy of the Resonance" IMO,
and I can see some really cool storyline/conflicts being created out the
events of such. In our home games, Halbersteim's mere name is enough to get
every otaku, and many of the deckers and magicians, into a foaming frenzy in
little to no time, he's hated that much.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
NeoJudas ("K" to Some)
"Children of the Kernel: Reborn"
Hoosier Hacker House (www.hoosierhackerhouse.com)
Message no. 10
From: vocenoctum@****.com vocenoctum@****.com
Subject: Renny and the House on the Edge of the Matrix...
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 20:18:27 -0400
On Fri, 04 Aug 2000 15:15:32 -0400 Sommers <sommers@*****.umich.edu>
writes:
> As far as I can tell, he had absolutely nothing to do with the
> creation of
> the Otaku. In fact, the entity(ies?) that create the Otaku would
> probably
> not like the good doctor at all.

In Psychotrope, it is pretty much stated IIRC that the AI doesn't like
the competitiion....
Course, novel's aren't exactly accurate all the time...
some of the time?

any of the time?
:-)

Vocenoctum
<http://members.xoom.com/vocenoctum>;

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