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Message no. 1
From: "Steven A. Tinner" <bluewizard@*****.COM>
Subject: Required Reading (Was Re: Who owns FASA?)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 00:39:28 -0700
> They blatantly stole many of the ideas of Cyperpunk from what I've
> read of the other game.....Could just be coincidence. Suits me though; I
> like SR a whole lot better.

Let's get something staightened out here.
FASA did NOT steal anything from CP 2020.
They both ripped off Bill Gibson and Bruce Sterling, and many other
Movement/New Wave writers.
Anyone playing SR, or CP 2020 who has not at least skimmed Neuromancer,
Mona Lisa Overdrive, Burning Chrome, and Mirrorshades is seriously short
changing their enjoyment of these games!
Do a little homework into the origin of the cyberpunk genre, it's well
worth the effort.

> For one, the Rockers and stuff are a Cyperpunk concept... A pretty silly
> one, at that.

Again, read Gibson's Rickenharp story, or Synner from the Mirrorshades
anthology.
Rock and the counterculture are basic elements of cyberpunk.
They fit hand in glove.
I agree that a Rocker makes for a very silly member of a regular
shadowrunning team, but they are definately a vital part of the world.
IMHO, CP 2020 did a much better job fitting the Rockerboys into their
game thatn FASA did with the Rocker Archetype.

If anyone is interested, I could post my rather long list of cyberpunk
"Required Reading".

Steven A. Tinner
"RIF"
For the old timers out there.
First one to tell me what the above quoted letters stand for gets a "No
Prize"
Message no. 2
From: NightLife <habenir@******.SAN.UC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Required Reading (Was Re: Who owns FASA?)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 18:43:47 -0700
>If anyone is interested, I could post my rather long list of cyberpunk
>"Required Reading".
>
Sure just send in via private e-mail.


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Nightlife Inc.
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If you have to ask then it's probably classified.
Which means that I have to follow protocol.
But if you ask nicely I might forget that you asked.
Then again maybe not.

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Document Classified
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Message no. 3
From: "(Theron Bretz)" <TBretz@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Required Reading (Was Re: Who owns FASA?)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 18:40:09 -0400
>Again, read Gibson's Rickenharp story

Actually, Rickenharp is a character from John Shirley's _Eclipse Trilogy_,
one of the more underrated cyberpunk classics, probably due to its overtly
political message and its low-cyber/high-punk quotient.

Theron Bretz
Houston, TX
Message no. 4
From: "Steven A. Tinner" <bluewizard@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Required Reading (Was Re: Who owns FASA?)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 14:02:21 -0700
(Theron Bretz) wrote:
>
> >Again, read Gibson's Rickenharp story
>
> Actually, Rickenharp is a character from John Shirley's _Eclipse Trilogy_,
> one of the more underrated cyberpunk classics, probably due to its overtly
> political message and its low-cyber/high-punk quotient.

Whoops!
You got there!
Guess I should've checked that post before I sent it!
You're absolutely right, I messed up!
Message no. 5
From: "(Theron Bretz)" <TBretz@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Required Reading (Was Re: Who owns FASA?)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 22:11:02 -0400
In a message dated 96-10-22 14:07:21 EDT, you write:

>> Actually, Rickenharp is a character from John Shirley's _Eclipse Trilogy_,
>> one of the more underrated cyberpunk classics, probably due to its overtly
>> political message and its low-cyber/high-punk quotient.
>
>Whoops!
>You got there!
>Guess I should've checked that post before I sent it!
>You're absolutely right, I messed up!

No problem. It's a pity how many of today's cyberpunk fans have no idea who
Shirley is, or have even read _Eclipse.

Theron Bretz
Feeling old & cranky in Houston
Message no. 6
From: Pete <Pete@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Required Reading (Was Re: Who owns FASA?)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 03:29:48 +0100
In article <961023221100_1347714268@*******.mail.aol.com>, "(Theron
Bretz)" <TBretz@***.COM> writes
>
>No problem. It's a pity how many of today's cyberpunk fans have no idea who
>Shirley is, or have even read _Eclipse.
>
>Theron Bretz
>Feeling old & cranky in Houston


OK Old and cranky. :)

Seing as you are familiar with Jon#hn Shirley maybe you can help me too
:)

Shirley, John ** A Song Called Youth 1: Eclipse
** A Song Called Youth 2: Eclipse Penumbra
** A Song Called Youth 3: Eclipse Corona
** Heatseeker
** Total Eclipse
** Transmaniacon
** City Come A Walkin'

These are the only books *I* know of the John has written, I live in a
book starved part of England, and have great difficulty tracking down
stuff like this.

Are you aware of any others that he has written ???

Any suggestions will be purchased as soon as I can find them..

Feeling Old but not so cranky
P
--
Pete Sims
Civilisation advances by extending the number of important operations which we
can perform without thinking about them.
Message no. 7
From: "(Theron Bretz)" <TBretz@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Required Reading (Was Re: Who owns FASA?)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 12:12:32 -0500
In a message dated 96-10-23 22:46:27 EDT, you write:

>Shirley, John ** A Song Called Youth 1: Eclipse
> ** A Song Called Youth 2: Eclipse Penumbra
> ** A Song Called Youth 3: Eclipse Corona
> ** Heatseeker
> ** Total Eclipse
> ** Transmaniacon
> ** City Come A Walkin'
>
>These are the only books *I* know of the John has written, I live in a
>book starved part of England, and have great difficulty tracking down
>stuff like this.
>
>Are you aware of any others that he has written ???
>
>Any suggestions will be purchased as soon as I can find them..

Three Ring Psychus (out of print and a very early work)
Noir (or something like that, a collection of hard boiled detective stories,
I don't have it, but I've seen it)

Theron Bretz
Houston, TX

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