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Message no. 1
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Rigged people / Fun with R2
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 17:52:48 -0500
First, I want to say that Mr. Szeto the Rigger 2 book came accross poorly
... However, I think I have the R2 book open on my desk for one reason or
another more than ANY other book (INCLUDING the BBB!)! So, all-in-all,
good work :)

Second here's the fun part ... taking R2 and VR2, mixing and matching and
getting drone that controls a human body :)

Start with a Body 0 drone ... and then add a DNI link (see
Cybertechnology) in the target ... then give the drone RAS Cutout
capability ... then give it an indeffinate power source ... and voila! :)

Okay, Guesstimated Game States:
Handling: 4/4
Pilot: 5
Sensor: 1
Essence Cost: .6
Cost: 160,000

(Includes DNI link, and Hot Asist [with an Rating 1 MPCP - should cover
all power requirements])

Essence cost was .2 for the R1 MPCP, .1 for the DNI link and a RC spider
can't take up more than a retractable spur (and it sheath and its motor
mechanisms) so .3 for the drone...

Implant this and you can control the actions of tthe person it is
implanted in ... Treat the Pilot rating as normal for when the drone acts
on its own ... also, if skillwires are implanted, the drone can use any
skillsofts available (needs chipjack or headware mem ...) what do you
think?

D.Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, RuPixel)
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Message no. 2
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Rigged people / Fun with R2
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 00:53:25 EDT
In a message dated 7/18/1998 5:55:47 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
dghost@****.COM writes:

<snipped the descriptions of the drone>

> Implant this and you can control the actions of tthe person it is
> implanted in ... Treat the Pilot rating as normal for when the drone acts
> on its own ... also, if skillwires are implanted, the drone can use any
> skillsofts available (needs chipjack or headware mem ...) what do you
> think?

Well, what do I think??? (I know, you said Jon Szeto originally, but I'm just
inviting myself :P) I think that you are at the doorstep of "Designer Fever"
as we sometimes refer to it here...

-K (welcome to the club :)
Message no. 3
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Rigged people / Fun with R2
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 02:55:34 -0500
On Sun, 19 Jul 1998 00:53:25 EDT K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
writes:
>In a message dated 7/18/1998 5:55:47 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
>dghost@****.COM writes:
><snipped the descriptions of the drone>

>>Implant this and you can control the actions of tthe person it is
>>implanted in ... Treat the Pilot rating as normal for when the drone
acts
>>on its own ... also, if skillwires are implanted, the drone can use any
>>skillsofts available (needs chipjack or headware mem ...) what do you
>>think?

>Well, what do I think??? (I know, you said Jon Szeto originally, but
I'm just
>inviting myself :P)

Actually that first paragraph was addressed to Jon Szeto, the rest was
for everybody ... so inviting yourself is redundant ;P

>I think that you are at the doorstep of "Designer Fever"
>as we sometimes refer to it here...
>
>-K (welcome to the club :)

*Doorstep* ???? what do mean only the doorstep???

Btw, I don't think I mentioned this but this is NOT my original idea ...
the idea of rigging people was in some net supp (Nerps? doubtful) but I
didn't like how they did it ... this system will also allow for something
else (In the same supp, IIRC), putting your bod on autopilot while you do
something else ... (deck, astral jaunt [maybe you put you bod on auto at
your job at McHughs while you go on a metaplanar Quest ...;], etc ...)

D.Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, RuPixel)
"Let he who is without SIN cast the first stone"

Btw, I get like this whenever I have an active gaming group ... (I have
somewhere around a 1-2 foot stack of magical items for Rolemaster ...
100+ char sheets in various states of completetion for various RPG
systems floating around my room ...)

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Message no. 4
From: wafflemiester <evamarie@**********.NET>
Subject: Rigged people / Fun with R2
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 06:42:26 -0500
> Rigged people / Fun with R2 (Alfredo B Alves , Sat 17:52)
>
> First, I want to say that Mr. Szeto the Rigger 2 book came accross poorly
> ... However, I think I have the R2 book open on my desk for one reason or
> another more than ANY other book (INCLUDING the BBB!)! So, all-in-all,
> good work :)
>
> Second here's the fun part ... taking R2 and VR2, mixing and matching and
> getting drone that controls a human body :)
>
> Start with a Body 0 drone ... and then add a DNI link (see
> Cybertechnology) in the target ... then give the drone RAS Cutout
> capability ... then give it an indeffinate power source ... and voila! :)

Just what is the DNI doing? Not anything it seems intneded to do in
CT, that I can tell.
Cyberpirates has a african company that is attempting to develope
"rigged animals", and the animals in question have VCR's implanted, for
whatthats worth. Perhaps a VCR can be re-engenred to work in reverse?
I'd say this is the place to work from.

> Essence cost was .2 for the R1 MPCP, .1 for the DNI link and a RC spider
> can't take up more than a retractable spur (and it sheath and its motor
> mechanisms) so .3 for the drone...

I don't see as an RAS cutout gives you any control over the motions of
the user (its description saysit dampens sensory inputand gross motor
control, both rather BAD if you want the "drone" to do anything)
Also, you would want the "snakeyes" system so you can have some sort of
sensor input (beyond looking closely at the gore surounding the
implanted drone).

Mongoose
Message no. 5
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Rigged people / Fun with R2
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 12:30:29 -0500
On Sun, 19 Jul 1998 06:42:26 -0500 wafflemiester
<evamarie@**********.net> writes:
>> Rigged people / Fun with R2 (Alfredo B Alves , Sat 17:52)
<SNIP> Thanks to Jon Szeto>

>> Second here's the fun part ... taking R2 and VR2, mixing and matching
and
>> getting drone that controls a human body :)
>>
>> Start with a Body 0 drone ... and then add a DNI link (see
>> Cybertechnology) in the target ... then give the drone RAS Cutout
>> capability ... then give it an indeffinate power source ... and voila!
:)

> Just what is the DNI doing? Not anything it seems intneded to
do in
>CT, that I can tell.

The DNI is providing a direct neural link to the drone.

> Cyberpirates has a african company that is attempting to
develope
>"rigged animals", and the animals in question have VCR's implanted, for
>whatthats worth. Perhaps a VCR can be re-engenred to work in reverse?
>I'd say this is the place to work from.

Why can't a C-Deck be re-engineered to work in reverse? (which is what I
did)

>> Essence cost was .2 for the R1 MPCP, .1 for the DNI link and a RC
spider
>> can't take up more than a retractable spur (and it sheath and its
motor
>> mechanisms) so .3 for the drone...

> I don't see as an RAS cutout gives you any control over the
motions of
>the user (its description saysit dampens sensory inputand gross motor
>control, both rather BAD if you want the "drone" to do anything)

Nonononono :) the RAS cutout keeps the implantee from messing with things
(it would have to be COMPLETE cutout though ...) ... controling the
person would be a function of the drone ...

> Also, you would want the "snakeyes" system so you can have some
sort of
>sensor input (beyond looking closely at the gore surounding the
>implanted drone).
>
>Mongoose

hmmm for sensory Input, a video link might be needed (increase system
cost by 22,000 and system's essence cost by .5) and a recorder (increase
system cost by 7,000 and system's essence cost by .3)

D.Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, RuPixel)
"Let he who is without SIN cast the first stone"

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Message no. 6
From: John Dukes <dukes@*******.NET>
Subject: Re: Rigged people / Fun with R2
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 16:05:58 -0500
<snip>

There is some stuff about controlling a persons body in the Underworld
Sourcebooks. In the section on prostitution. They hooked them up to some
sort of chip or somesuch to make them act with someone elses personality.
Combined with cosmetic surgery, the prostitute looks and acts like a given
famous person.

Its kinda sick, but sounds like the same effect you are trying for. Also,
dont forget about the Snakeyes module from Rigger2.

-Teeg
Message no. 7
From: Geoff Morochnick <bodiam@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Rigged people / Fun with R2
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 16:54:58 -0400
> There is some stuff about controlling a persons body in the Underworld
> Sourcebooks. In the section on prostitution. They hooked them up to some
> sort of chip or somesuch to make them act with someone elses personality.
> Combined with cosmetic surgery, the prostitute looks and acts like a given
> famous person.

Whoa... like L.A. Confidential... I've gotta get Underworld...

> Its kinda sick, but sounds like the same effect you are trying for. Also,
> dont forget about the Snakeyes module from Rigger2.
>
> -Teeg



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Message no. 8
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Rigged people / Fun with R2
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 16:25:59 -0500
On Sun, 19 Jul 1998 16:05:58 -0500 John Dukes <dukes@*******.NET> writes:
><snip>
>There is some stuff about controlling a persons body in the Underworld
>Sourcebooks. In the section on prostitution. They hooked them up to some
>sort of chip or somesuch to make them act with someone elses
personality.
>Combined with cosmetic surgery, the prostitute looks and acts like a
given
>famous person.

Hmmmm ... That's interesting ... IIRC, I ddin't pick up the Underworld
book because it had "Adventure" written somewhere ... but that might be
Mob War! I'm thinking of ... Oh well, have to go back to the Game Store &
get it :)

>Its kinda sick, but sounds like the same effect you are trying for.
Also,
>dont forget about the Snakeyes module from Rigger2.
>
>-Teeg

Actually, truth be told, the idea I had was for NPCs MUCH later on in my
game (assuming there IS a much later on in my campaign ... ;) ... A
Decker with Delta Grade Cyber-body is permantly decking in the matrix
while a Rigger uses a cranial RCD to control the Decker's and the
Rigger's body (and other drones too) providing "muscle" for another char
... This is also why I was asking about remote decking ... I think the
essence costs are getting to be excessive though ... (And if rigging is
bad for a CZ, decking must be worse ...)

Oh well, if I make everything mesh, I might make it use it ... otherwise
I had another idea I might use sooner in the campaign (Being on mailing
list where my players aren't is great ... *Grins at K, Mike, and Tinner*
;) ... a Aztechnology arcology or something where the workers (or a lot
of the workers) are equiped with this stuff and are controlled by riggers
in the building (riggers would probably have R10 RC Decks so there would
probably be 1 rigger for every 15-24 people) ... Querry: Would this be
cost effective? Would this cost more to implant & maintain this stuff
than to pay the employees?

The first idea, IMO, isn't sick, it's interesting ... the second idea,
while somewhat interesting, is most definately sick ... (which is why I
said Aztechnology ;)

D.Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, RuPixel)
o/` Trideo killed the Video Star ... o/`

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Message no. 9
From: Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
Subject: Re: Rigged people / Fun with R2
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 16:14:26 -0600
At 16:54 19/07/98 -0400, you wrote:
>> There is some stuff about controlling a persons body in the Underworld
>> Sourcebooks. In the section on prostitution. They hooked them up to some
>> sort of chip or somesuch to make them act with someone elses personality.
>> Combined with cosmetic surgery, the prostitute looks and acts like a given
>> famous person.
>
>Whoa... like L.A. Confidential... I've gotta get Underworld...

Underworld is, without a doubt, my favourite Shadowrun book next to
Seattle. It's got everything that's *bad* in the Shadowrun universe. Which
makes it very very good.

-Adam
Leave the fluffy magic stuff to AD&D, I want beer and hookerz.. ;-)
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Message no. 10
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Rigged people / Fun with R2
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:55:26 +0100
Alfredo B Alves said on 16:25/19 Jul 98,...

> Hmmmm ... That's interesting ... IIRC, I ddin't pick up the Underworld
> book because it had "Adventure" written somewhere ... but that might be
> Mob War! I'm thinking of ... Oh well, have to go back to the Game Store &
> get it :)

It must be Mob War! you have in mind; Underworld is a
sourcebook and is described as such on the back cover. Mob War!
OTOH is basically a sourcebook with a large number of adventure
hooks, and described as an adventure.

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Message no. 11
From: Mike Bobroff <Airwasp@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Rigged people / Fun with R2
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:30:57 EDT
In a message dated 7/19/1998 3:50:35 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
dukes@*******.NET writes:

> There is some stuff about controlling a persons body in the Underworld
> Sourcebooks. In the section on prostitution. They hooked them up to some
> sort of chip or somesuch to make them act with someone elses personality.
> Combined with cosmetic surgery, the prostitute looks and acts like a given
> famous person.

Ah, the Burnaku ... the puppet Geisha's or something close to that at least
...

> Its kinda sick, but sounds like the same effect you are trying for. Also,
> dont forget about the Snakeyes module from Rigger2.

Also, we have someone on the real world whois really close to being a bunraku
apart from having a persona chip ... the one lady who has spent over $100,000
to improve her overall physical body to something close to perfection (they
refer to her sometimes as the Barbie lady).

-Herc
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Message no. 12
From: "Ubiratan P. Alberton" <ubiratan@**.HOMESHOPPING.COM.BR>
Subject: Re: Rigged people / Fun with R2
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:15:21 -0300
At 16:05 19/07/98 -0500, you wrote:
><snip>
>
>There is some stuff about controlling a persons body in the Underworld
>Sourcebooks. In the section on prostitution. They hooked them up to some
>sort of chip or somesuch to make them act with someone elses personality.
>Combined with cosmetic surgery, the prostitute looks and acts like a given
>famous person.
>
>Its kinda sick, but sounds like the same effect you are trying for. Also,
>dont forget about the Snakeyes module from Rigger2.
>
>-Teeg
>

There's something like it on Neuromancer too... Check out the part where
Molly
tells how she got money to buy her cyberware : ) .

Bira
Message no. 13
From: "Ubiratan P. Alberton" <ubiratan@**.HOMESHOPPING.COM.BR>
Subject: Re: Rigged people / Fun with R2
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:59:08 -0300
>
>hmmm for sensory Input, a video link might be needed (increase system
>cost by 22,000 and system's essence cost by .5) and a recorder (increase
>system cost by 7,000 and system's essence cost by .3)

Or maybe the DNI link covers that already... It "rigs" the ... user's
senses so
that they give input to the drone...

Bira
Message no. 14
From: "Ubiratan P. Alberton" <ubiratan@**.HOMESHOPPING.COM.BR>
Subject: Re: Rigged people / Fun with R2
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:21:28 -0300
>Oh well, if I make everything mesh, I might make it use it ... otherwise
>I had another idea I might use sooner in the campaign (Being on mailing
>list where my players aren't is great ... *Grins at K, Mike, and Tinner*
>;) ... a Aztechnology arcology or something where the workers (or a lot
>of the workers) are equiped with this stuff and are controlled by riggers
>in the building (riggers would probably have R10 RC Decks so there would
>probably be 1 rigger for every 15-24 people) ... Querry: Would this be
>cost effective? Would this cost more to implant & maintain this stuff
>than to pay the employees?


I think it woudn't be cost effective... Think about it...

Why rig your workers to be slaves when you can get them to work for you
like slaves for almost no pay at all?
What is the burakumin class for : ) ?

Bira
Message no. 15
From: "Ubiratan P. Alberton" <ubiratan@**.HOMESHOPPING.COM.BR>
Subject: Re: Rigged people / Fun with R2
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:13:37 -0300
At 00:53 19/07/98 EDT, you wrote:
>In a message dated 7/18/1998 5:55:47 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
>dghost@****.COM writes:
>
><snipped the descriptions of the drone>
>
>> Implant this and you can control the actions of tthe person it is
>> implanted in ... Treat the Pilot rating as normal for when the drone acts
>> on its own ... also, if skillwires are implanted, the drone can use any
>> skillsofts available (needs chipjack or headware mem ...) what do you
>> think?
>
>Well, what do I think??? (I know, you said Jon Szeto originally, but I'm
just
>inviting myself :P) I think that you are at the doorstep of "Designer
Fever"
>as we sometimes refer to it here...


If you check Dghost's idea productivity, you'll see that he has had it
for a long time.... : )

Bira
Message no. 16
From: Geoff Morochnick <bodiam@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Rigged people / Fun with R2
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 00:56:14 -0400
> >> There is some stuff about controlling a persons body in the Underworld
> >> Sourcebooks. In the section on prostitution. They hooked them up to some
> >> sort of chip or somesuch to make them act with someone elses personality.
> >> Combined with cosmetic surgery, the prostitute looks and acts like a given
> >> famous person.
> >
> >Whoa... like L.A. Confidential... I've gotta get Underworld...
>
> Underworld is, without a doubt, my favourite Shadowrun book next to
> Seattle. It's got everything that's *bad* in the Shadowrun universe. Which
> makes it very very good.

Hmmm... actually, Underworld sounds like it helps make Shadowrun more gritty, the
best part.... and FASA says that the Companion is the main accessory to the main
book?!?

> -Adam

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Message no. 17
From: Robert Watkins <robert.watkins@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Rigged people / Fun with R2
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:06:11 +1000
John Dukes writes:
> There is some stuff about controlling a persons body in the Underworld
> Sourcebooks. In the section on prostitution. They hooked them up to some
> sort of chip or somesuch to make them act with someone elses personality.
> Combined with cosmetic surgery, the prostitute looks and acts like a given
> famous person.

Hmm... looks like DreamChipper got their act together. If that's the case,
it's a modified skill chip.

(Without a doubt, DreamChipper was the most enjoyable run I have GM'd...
especially when the players were out trying to hunt down the Jack The Ripper
clone)

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