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Message no. 1
From: Stefan <casanova@***.PASSAGEN.SE>
Subject: ShadowRun 3:ed - BBB3 Design.
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 16:47:46 +0000
Since there is going to be a new version of SR (the 3rd Ed.)
I know of a few things that I would like to have improved.

1. The design. I would like the book to look and feel more
like the Earthdawn book it's really nice. There is alot of space,
nice art (I would prefer more colour art).

2. A world map. A map of the world 2057. Capitals/ mayor
resources and places put out. The detailed map of America that is
in the book now should continue to be there since most action
does take place in America.

I know that this might cost more but frankly I would not mind paying
for it.


/Stefan
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Message no. 2
From: Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
Subject: Re: ShadowRun 3:ed - BBB3 Design.
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 09:19:44 -0600
At 16:47 8/8/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Since there is going to be a new version of SR (the 3rd Ed.)
>I know of a few things that I would like to have improved.
>
>1. The design. I would like the book to look and feel more
>like the Earthdawn book it's really nice. There is alot of space,
>nice art (I would prefer more colour art).

I doubt there will be alot of colour art in SR3, to keep costs down. I
haven't looked at the Earthdawn book recently, but SR2 was layed out fairly
well. A few sections should be re-arranged, and for all I really care, the
colour plates can go.. especially the critter ones. Ugh.

>2. A world map. A map of the world 2057. Capitals/ mayor
>resources and places put out. The detailed map of America that is
>in the book now should continue to be there since most action
>does take place in America.

This was discussed on the list before, and someone who works or has worked
for FASA (I forget who.. Jak Koke?) said this would likely not happen..
making a world map would be a HUGE project, and would limit freelance
writers in the future.

>I know that this might cost more but frankly I would not mind paying
>for it.

I don't think FASA has to worry about people who already play Shadowrun.
They need to worry about NEW gamers, and new gamers aren't likely to plunk
down 30-40 bucks for a book.

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Message no. 3
From: Stefan <casanova@***.PASSAGEN.SE>
Subject: Re: ShadowRun 3:ed - BBB3 Design.
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 17:25:39 +0000
> >1. The design. I would like the book to look and feel more
> >like the Earthdawn book it's really nice. There is alot of space,
> >nice art (I would prefer more colour art).
>
> I doubt there will be alot of colour art in SR3, to keep costs down. I
> haven't looked at the Earthdawn book recently, but SR2 was layed out fairly
> well. A few sections should be re-arranged, and for all I really care, the
> colour plates can go.. especially the critter ones. Ugh.

Ehh yes some of the critters are alittle to colourful ... I mainly
want the book to become less compact .. More space ...

> >2. A world map. A map of the world 2057. Capitals/ mayor
> >resources and places put out. The detailed map of America that is
> >in the book now should continue to be there since most action
> >does take place in America.
>
> This was discussed on the list before, and someone who works or has worked
> for FASA (I forget who.. Jak Koke?) said this would likely not happen..
> making a world map would be a HUGE project, and would limit freelance
> writers in the future.

Sure it would be hugh but it's info that would be very nice to have
... I mean there is more to this world than America.

> >I know that this might cost more but frankly I would not mind paying
> >for it.

> I don't think FASA has to worry about people who already play Shadowrun.
> They need to worry about NEW gamers, and new gamers aren't likely to plunk
> down 30-40 bucks for a book.

Well games does not become cheaper ... Quality costs ... I am alittle
out of touch now but I am not sure what the other big games cost
right now but I think SR is in general good value for your money.

/Stefan

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Message no. 4
From: Michael Broadwater <mbroadwa@*******.GLENAYRE.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRun 3:ed - BBB3 Design.
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 14:37:18 -0500
At 09:19 AM 8/8/97 -0600, Adam J wrote:
>I
>haven't looked at the Earthdawn book recently, but SR2 was layed out fairly
>well.

You might want to tell Mike M. that. He and the art director are of the
opinion that SR2 looks like it was laid out by "primitive tribesmen".


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Message no. 5
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRun 3:ed - BBB3 Design.
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:55:45 -0400
At 04:47 PM 8/8/97 +0000, Stefan wrote these timeless words:
>Since there is going to be a new version of SR (the 3rd Ed.)
>I know of a few things that I would like to have improved.
>
>1. The design. I would like the book to look and feel more
>like the Earthdawn book it's really nice. There is alot of space,
>nice art (I would prefer more colour art).
>
It will definately be seriously redisigned, but I don;t know how many color
plates there will be, for several reasons.

A) Cost. Despite us die-hards willing to play m,ore for a really cool
looking book, you have to realize that FASA is aiming this as the first
book a new SR player will buy, and it has to be a very enticing first
purchase. not everyone who gets into SR is introduced by a friend, or
whatever. You need to have a book that someone browsing the shelves of the
local game shop will be willing to buy, and anything running more than 25
bucks is too expensive for the "Impulse" buy.

B) I've noticed that in most of the SR2 books that I've seen (Including my
precious Hardback), the first pages that fall out are the color pages.
Probably has to do with the glossy paper they used. I hope they don;t use
color pages, mostly because I want a book that will hold together well.

C) Size. With the expanded Rigger and Decker rules, and everything else
that's already come out, the book is already aiming for somewhere between
large and huge. Color art, while nice, is just filler, and is the first
thing to get killed when trying to trim the books down.

>2. A world map. A map of the world 2057. Capitals/ mayor
>resources and places put out. The detailed map of America that is
>in the book now should continue to be there since most action
>does take place in America.
>
YOu won;t see this, for a LOT of reasons, but I'll give you a direct quote
from Mike when I asked him the question over provate e-mail some time ago...

From Mike Mulvhill, sometime last month, I think :] --

>The problem with fleshing the world out at this point is that doing the
entire >world is like doing a project that never gets seen. It takes the
full amount of >time by me and the freelancers to produce the world. Plus
doing it in a "sit >down and lets flesh it fashion" out means that stuff
begins to "feel" the same. >While I have ideas about the world and what's
where - writing it all down and >then making sure that input from players
our international publishers, >freelancers, etc. make the areas exciting to
shadowrun in is another major >time block. Finally at that time would I
release the info to the public. So they >only way that makes sense if or me
to flesh out areas as they come up (like >in the Cyberpriates book).

Also, he addressed this at the GC seminars a bit. By sitting down and
fleshing out every area of teh world, tehy lock out new authors from being
able to design those areas, and are stuck with whatever they wrote, whether
it's good or bad. And then, later, when someone comes up and says "Mike,
i'd really like to do story set in a jungle area that's heavily polluted",
and Mike never did an area that's got a Polluted Jungle in it, he's stuck.

Right now though, the way there is so much undefined space, he can say "Ok,
I can let you make the jungles of XX a Toxic Area." This gives him MUCH
more freedom to work out future plotlines and stuff.

Also, even a simple border map qould be a problem, because once again,
you're stuck with things forced into a certain area, especially if that
area isn;t defined yet.

>I know that this might cost more but frankly I would not mind paying
>for it.
>
neither would I, but the unemployed 14 year old that's only ever heard that
Shadowrun is a neat little game might mind. At $25.00 you're pushing
things already. make the book any more than $30.00, and you're getting out
of reach of the "easy payment" costs that sourcebooks need to be...

BTW: If I haven't mentioned it already, tSR3 may possibly be released in a
Hardback version only available at Gen Con next year... mayu be worth your
time to go, eh? Or send lots of money with those of us who will be
attending...;]

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Message no. 6
From: "MARTIN E. GOTTHARD" <s457033@*******.GU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: ShadowRun 3:ed - BBB3 Design.
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:52:32 +1000
> >haven't looked at the Earthdawn book recently, but SR2 was layed out fairly
> >well.
>
> You might want to tell Mike M. that. He and the art director are of the
> opinion that SR2 looks like it was laid out by "primitive tribesmen".
>

Amen to that brother!!!

All I want to know is when they are going to sign up Elmore for the cover
art again. (Not that that's at all likely, though)

Marty
Message no. 7
From: "MARTIN E. GOTTHARD" <s457033@*******.GU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: ShadowRun 3:ed - BBB3 Design.
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:54:56 +1000
Hey Bull, are they paying you for this PR work?

If not they should be *grin*
Message no. 8
From: Chris Maxfield <cmaxfiel@****.ORG.AU>
Subject: Re: ShadowRun 3:ed - BBB3 Design.
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:56:51 +1000
At 22:55 11/08/97 -0400, Bull wrote:
>neither would I, but the unemployed 14 year old that's only ever heard that
>Shadowrun is a neat little game might mind. At $25.00 you're pushing
>things already. make the book any more than $30.00, and you're getting out
>of reach of the "easy payment" costs that sourcebooks need to be...

Mutter, mutter ... they're rarely any less than $30 in Australia!

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Message no. 9
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: ShadowRun 3:ed - BBB3 Design.
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:08:14 +0100
Bull said on 22:55/11 Aug 97...

> BTW: If I haven't mentioned it already, tSR3 may possibly be released in a
> Hardback version only available at Gen Con next year... mayu be worth your
> time to go, eh? Or send lots of money with those of us who will be
> attending...;]

This would suck, since I want a hardback (no SR softbacks for me if at all
possible, after what happened with my first edition book) but I don't see
myself going over to the US within the foreseeable future. Since you seem
to speak to Mike a lot, it would be nice if you were to bring this to his
attention -- hardbacks should be available to everyone (even if it's only
a limited quantity), whether they go to GenCon or not.

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Message no. 10
From: Jaymz <justin@******.NET>
Subject: Re: ShadowRun 3:ed - BBB3 Design.
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 08:48:51 -0500
At 07:56 PM 8/12/97 +1000, you wrote:
#At 22:55 11/08/97 -0400, Bull wrote:
#>neither would I, but the unemployed 14 year old that's only ever heard that
#>Shadowrun is a neat little game might mind. At $25.00 you're pushing
#>things already. make the book any more than $30.00, and you're getting out
#>of reach of the "easy payment" costs that sourcebooks need to be...
#
#Mutter, mutter ... they're rarely any less than $30 in Australia!
#

Yeah, I got DMZ new for $60 way back in '91
Grimoire #1 was about $25

sux, eh?
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Message no. 11
From: "M. Sean Martinez" <ElBandit@***.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRun 3:ed - BBB3 Design.
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 10:46:48 -0400
In a message dated 97-08-08 11:18:09 EDT, you write:

<< I doubt there will be alot of colour art in SR3, to keep costs down. I
haven't looked at the Earthdawn book recently, but SR2 was layed out fairly
well. A few sections should be re-arranged, and for all I really care, the
colour plates can go.. especially the critter ones. Ugh. >>

Actually, full color game books are easy to do thanks to MAC's Ocutech
system. Check out the B5 Roleplaying game book. Its full color and was done
with ocutech.

Essentially ocutech uses a digital plate to create the book format. What this
does is allow the manufacture to print as many or as few copies of the book
at the same cost. The only draw back is you have to use the slick paper and
they can only do softbacked books right now.

-Bandit
Message no. 12
From: Skye Comstock <bilbo@****.NWLINK.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRun 3:ed - BBB3 Design.
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 07:49:13 -0800
>Actually, full color game books are easy to do thanks to MAC's Ocutech
>system. Check out the B5 Roleplaying game book. Its full color and was done
>with ocutech.
>
>Essentially ocutech uses a digital plate to create the book format. What this
>does is allow the manufacture to print as many or as few copies of the book
>at the same cost. The only draw back is you have to use the slick paper and
>they can only do softbacked books right now.

Slick, glossy paper makes me want to throw up. ;) Plus, it won't have
the same smell as the previous Shadowrun books, and that would be
bad. It's like Magic cards and how each set has a different and more
addicting fragrance. :]

-Skye
Message no. 13
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRun 3:ed - BBB3 Design.
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:02:33 -0400
At 04:52 PM 8/12/97 +1000, MARTIN E. GOTTHARD wrote these timeless words:
>> >haven't looked at the Earthdawn book recently, but SR2 was layed out
fairly
>> >well.
>>
>> You might want to tell Mike M. that. He and the art director are of the
>> opinion that SR2 looks like it was laid out by "primitive tribesmen".
>>
>
>Amen to that brother!!!
>
>All I want to know is when they are going to sign up Elmore for the cover
>art again. (Not that that's at all likely, though)
>
Well, for starters... Elmore's not exactly feeling well at the moment. he
wasn't able to make it to the Con as he had a heart attack on the way to
Gen Con. I've lost his e-mail addy, but when Loki gets back, ask him for
it and you can send him a get well card.

As for Elmore doing art, who knows. He _WAS_ under exclusive contract with
TSR for a while, thus the reason he's never done any other SR material.
But with the restructuring and everything going on due to TSR's current...
Problems... Who knows?

If we don;t get Elmore, I'd love to see a good Laubenstein picture...:]

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Message no. 14
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRun 3:ed - BBB3 Design.
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:02:37 -0400
At 04:54 PM 8/12/97 +1000, MARTIN E. GOTTHARD wrote these timeless words:
>Hey Bull, are they paying you for this PR work?
>
>If not they should be *grin*
>
Hehe...

I wish... :]

But, I jjust had a REALLY good time, and the FASA crew was great, so...
<shrug> WHat the hell, right? :]

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Message no. 15
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRun 3:ed - BBB3 Design.
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:02:39 -0400
At 07:56 PM 8/12/97 +1000, Chris Maxfield wrote these timeless words:
>At 22:55 11/08/97 -0400, Bull wrote:
>>neither would I, but the unemployed 14 year old that's only ever heard that
>>Shadowrun is a neat little game might mind. At $25.00 you're pushing
>>things already. make the book any more than $30.00, and you're getting out
>>of reach of the "easy payment" costs that sourcebooks need to be...
>
>Mutter, mutter ... they're rarely any less than $30 in Australia!
>
>Chris
>
Yeah, but are we talking $30 Australian, or $30 US? If i recall right, $30
Aus is about 20-25 US. i could be wronbg though,...:]

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Message no. 16
From: Stefan <casanova@***.PASSAGEN.SE>
Subject: Re: ShadowRun 3:ed - BBB3 Design.
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:41:59 +0000
> > >haven't looked at the Earthdawn book recently, but SR2 was layed out fairly
> > >well.
> >
> > You might want to tell Mike M. that. He and the art director are of the
> > opinion that SR2 looks like it was laid out by "primitive tribesmen".
> >
>
> Amen to that brother!!!


> All I want to know is when they are going to sign up Elmore for the cover
> art again. (Not that that's at all likely, though)

Hope so ... another interesting fact is what main colour will the
book be in ? I heard that it was Blue in 1ed and well now it is Black
.. so to continue with the BBB format is the next one going to be
Brown ? Yuck ! Keep the black colour ...

Elmore, I sure does hope they sign him up again but then he is a
rather expensive artist ... mayby it would be better to have someone
less famous draw them and get more art for the buck ... even thou
the picture on the front of the BBB now is just great ...

/Stefan

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Message no. 17
From: Stefan <casanova@***.PASSAGEN.SE>
Subject: Re: ShadowRun 3:ed - BBB3 Design.
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:41:59 +0000
>I
> >haven't looked at the Earthdawn book recently, but SR2 was layed out fairly
> >well.
>
> You might want to tell Mike M. that. He and the art director are of the
> opinion that SR2 looks like it was laid out by "primitive tribesmen".

LOL! Yeah ... and it looks like little John went way over his head
with his crayoons on some of the pictures ... BBB3 Needs alot more
space ...

/Stefan
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Message no. 18
From: Stefan <casanova@***.PASSAGEN.SE>
Subject: Re: ShadowRun 3:ed - BBB3 Design.
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:41:59 +0000
> > BTW: If I haven't mentioned it already, tSR3 may possibly be released in a
> > Hardback version only available at Gen Con next year... mayu be worth your
> > time to go, eh? Or send lots of money with those of us who will be
> > attending...;]
>
> This would suck, since I want a hardback (no SR softbacks for me if at all
> possible, after what happened with my first edition book) but I don't see
> myself going over to the US within the foreseeable future. Since you seem
> to speak to Mike a lot, it would be nice if you were to bring this to his
> attention -- hardbacks should be available to everyone (even if it's only
> a limited quantity), whether they go to GenCon or not.

Yeah Hardbacks for everyone .... I would like even more books to come
out in hardback ... Sourcebooks and novells too .... It is just so
much better with hardback ...

/Stefan

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Message no. 19
From: Stefan <casanova@***.PASSAGEN.SE>
Subject: Re: ShadowRun 3:ed - BBB3 Design.
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:41:59 +0000
> >Since there is going to be a new version of SR (the 3rd Ed.)
> >I know of a few things that I would like to have improved.
> >
> >1. The design. I would like the book to look and feel more
> >like the Earthdawn book it's really nice. There is alot of space,
> >nice art (I would prefer more colour art).
> >
> It will definately be seriously redisigned, but I don;t know how many color
> plates there will be, for several reasons.
>
> A) Cost. Despite us die-hards willing to play m,ore for a really cool
> looking book, you have to realize that FASA is aiming this as the first
> book a new SR player will buy, and it has to be a very enticing first
> purchase. not everyone who gets into SR is introduced by a friend, or
> whatever. You need to have a book that someone browsing the shelves of the
> local game shop will be willing to buy, and anything running more than 25
> bucks is too expensive for the "Impulse" buy.

Well the could print two versions ... one colourful and one less
colourful ... That is a solution to that problem. Well quality costs
and I think that everyone is aware of that and having a big cool
flashy book on the shelf makes it way more tempting to make an
impulse buy even if it is $25.

> B) I've noticed that in most of the SR2 books that I've seen (Including my
> precious Hardback), the first pages that fall out are the color pages.
> Probably has to do with the glossy paper they used. I hope they don;t use
> color pages, mostly because I want a book that will hold together well.

Well I would not know since I don't have the hardback version .. It's
fraggin' impossible to get hold of ... but from what I seen in my
friends book the map was the first thing to go ...

> C) Size. With the expanded Rigger and Decker rules, and everything else
> that's already come out, the book is already aiming for somewhere between
> large and huge. Color art, while nice, is just filler, and is the first
> thing to get killed when trying to trim the books down.

Well to make a successful book you really do need that filling
(possible exception is the Bible I guess) .. Just having text page up
and page down provides for a really really borring reading time ..

> >2. A world map. A map of the world 2057. Capitals/ mayor
> >resources and places put out. The detailed map of America that is
> >in the book now should continue to be there since most action
> >does take place in America.
> >
> YOu won;t see this, for a LOT of reasons, but I'll give you a direct quote
> from Mike when I asked him the question over provate e-mail some time ago...

[SNIP MIKE MULVHILL Quotes]

It's just so darn frustrating having to world as one giant black hole
with little spots in it where we know what is there ...

> >I know that this might cost more but frankly I would not mind paying
> >for it.
> >
> neither would I, but the unemployed 14 year old that's only ever heard that
> Shadowrun is a neat little game might mind. At $25.00 you're pushing
> things already. make the book any more than $30.00, and you're getting out
> of reach of the "easy payment" costs that sourcebooks need to be...

RPG's ain't a cheap hobby any longer ... Just look at what everything
else costs and well quality costs with the BBB you can atleast start
playing SR .... with other big games like AD&D you need hords of
books.

> BTW: If I haven't mentioned it already, tSR3 may possibly be released in a
> Hardback version only available at Gen Con next year... mayu be worth your
> time to go, eh? Or send lots of money with those of us who will be
> attending...;]

Yeah right .... gah I see the big black hole that was once my wallet
... ;(

/Stefan

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Message no. 20
From: Drekhead <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: ShadowRun 3:ed - BBB3 Design.
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:49:20 +0000
On 12 Aug 97 at 19:41, Stefan wrote:

> Hope so ... another interesting fact is what main colour will the
> book be in ? I heard that it was Blue in 1ed and well now it is Black
> .. so to continue with the BBB format is the next one going to be
> Brown ? Yuck ! Keep the black colour ...

I kinda like that circuit board pattern FASA has on their webpage.
Use a gun metal gray background, and superimpose that pattern over it
with neon colored highlights sprinkled around.

I think that would look pretty cool.

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Message no. 21
From: Michael Broadwater <mbroadwa@*******.GLENAYRE.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRun 3:ed - BBB3 Design.
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:51:35 -0500
At 07:41 PM 8/12/97 +0000, Stefan wrote:
>> > >haven't looked at the Earthdawn book recently, but SR2 was layed out
fairly
>> > >well.
>> >
>> > You might want to tell Mike M. that. He and the art director are of the
>> > opinion that SR2 looks like it was laid out by "primitive
tribesmen".
>> >
>>
>> Amen to that brother!!!
>
>
>> All I want to know is when they are going to sign up Elmore for the cover
>> art again. (Not that that's at all likely, though)
>
>Hope so ... another interesting fact is what main colour will the
>book be in ? I heard that it was Blue in 1ed and well now it is Black
>.. so to continue with the BBB format is the next one going to be
>Brown ? Yuck ! Keep the black colour ...
>
>Elmore, I sure does hope they sign him up again but then he is a
>rather expensive artist ... mayby it would be better to have someone
>less famous draw them and get more art for the buck ... even thou
>the picture on the front of the BBB now is just great ...

If FASA owns the art on the cover, they can use it as often as they want.
If Elmore owns it, they'll just have to pay him to use it. I doubt they'll
get him to do a new piece of art, though. As Bull mentioned, he just had a
heart attack and I know of at least one large project he's working on now.

As for the color of the book, I want rust. That's kind of brown ;)


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Message no. 22
From: Jaymz <justin@******.NET>
Subject: Re: ShadowRun 3:ed - BBB3 Design.
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:51:06 -0500
At 12:51 PM 8/12/97 -0500, you wrote:
#At 07:41 PM 8/12/97 +0000, Stefan wrote:

#If FASA owns the art on the cover, they can use it as often as they want.
#If Elmore owns it, they'll just have to pay him to use it. I doubt they'll
#get him to do a new piece of art, though. As Bull mentioned, he just had a
#heart attack and I know of at least one large project he's working on now.
#
#As for the color of the book, I want rust. That's kind of brown ;)

Well, as 1st and 2nd edition both had the same image on the front, it would
make sense for 3rd to use the same art. I know the colours make it EASY to
distinguish between the two.

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Message no. 23
From: "Wendy Wanders, Subject 117" <KGGEWEHR@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU>
Subject: Re: ShadowRun 3:ed - BBB3 Design.
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:30:26 -0500
You wrote:
> Hope so ... another interesting fact is what main colour will the
> book be in ? I heard that it was Blue in 1ed and well now it is Black
> .. so to continue with the BBB format is the next one going to be
> Brown ? Yuck ! Keep the black colour ...
No, I keep telling you, a nice, deep green! That's the way to go, trust me on
this!

losthalo
Message no. 24
From: John E Pederson <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRun 3:ed - BBB3 Design.
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 20:11:35 EDT
On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:08:14 +0100 Gurth <gurth@******.NL> writes:

<<This would suck, since I want a hardback (no SR softbacks for me if at
all possible, after what happened with my first edition book) but I don't
see myself going over to the US within the foreseeable future. Since you
seem to speak to Mike a lot, it would be nice if you were to bring this
to his attention -- hardbacks should be available to everyone (even if
it's only a limited quantity), whether they go to GenCon or not.>>

Ditto. I hope to make to GC next year, but college will probably do a
good job of crippling my cash flow, unless I can get one *heck* of a
summer job:) I'm getting a hardcover, darnit! but I really don't know
whether or not I'll manage to make it to GC98, life tends to get in the
way of the best laid plans and all.


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Message no. 25
From: Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: ShadowRun 3:ed - BBB3 Design.
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 02:24:46 +0100
In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.970812165419.5777F-100000@*****.student.gu.edu
.au>, "MARTIN E. GOTTHARD" <s457033@*******.GU.EDU.AU> rambled on
endlessly about ShadowRun 3:ed - BBB3 Design.
>Hey Bull, are they paying you for this PR work?

Not yet they're not, but Bull's working on his personality and FASA
defence skills in case he actually gets something accepted. That way,
Mike can look back over all of Bull's posts and say. "Hey, there's a
really nice person who leaps to our defence a lot and...."

Unlike nasty inconsiderate people like me, who complain a lot. :)

>If not they should be *grin*

Don't worry. It'll happen eventually, Bull will wear them down to the
point where they'll pay him to leave them in peace for a while <g>


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Message no. 26
From: "MARTIN E. GOTTHARD" <s457033@*******.GU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: ShadowRun 3:ed - BBB3 Design.
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:43:45 +1000
> >Mutter, mutter ... they're rarely any less than $30 in Australia!
> >
> >Chris
> >
> Yeah, but are we talking $30 Australian, or $30 US? If i recall right, $30
> Aus is about 20-25 US. i could be wronbg though,...:]
>

(All prices $AU)

$15-$20 for an adventure
$30-$35 for a sourcebook
$50-$60 for the BBB

Shaodwurn in Australia is an expensive habit.

Marty
Message no. 27
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: ShadowRun 3:ed - BBB3 Design.
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 12:48:51 +0100
|
|You wrote:
|> Hope so ... another interesting fact is what main colour will the
|> book be in ? I heard that it was Blue in 1ed and well now it is Black
|> .. so to continue with the BBB format is the next one going to be
|> Brown ? Yuck ! Keep the black colour ...
|No, I keep telling you, a nice, deep green! That's the way to go, trust me on
|this!

OK then... Come up with a shade of deep green that begins with the letter
"B"....

(What's wrong with the Big Burgandy Book???)
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Message no. 28
From: Chris Maxfield <cmaxfiel@****.ORG.AU>
Subject: Re: ShadowRun 3:ed - BBB3 Design.
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 00:20:57 +1000
>At 12:02 12/08/97 -0400, Bull wrote:
>> >Mutter, mutter ... they're rarely any less than $30 in Australia!
>> Yeah, but are we talking $30 Australian, or $30 US? If i recall right, $30
>> Aus is about 20-25 US. i could be wronbg though,...:]

Checked the newspaper and, today, I could only buy US$22 with my A$30. In
the comment above, I meant Australian $30. However, just because the
Australian dollar is cheaper this doesn't imply we have more of them. So,
within Australia, A$30 means just as much as US$30 within the US. :-)

At 18:43 13/08/97 +1000, MARTIN E. GOTTHARD wrote:
>(All prices $AU)
>
>$15-$20 for an adventure
>$30-$35 for a sourcebook
>$50-$60 for the BBB
>
>Shaodwurn in Australia is an expensive habit.

Yep. :-( All books are expensive here. Consider A$12 for a paperback in
Australia versus US$6 in the US.

Chris

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Message no. 29
From: Jaymz <justin@******.NET>
Subject: Re: ShadowRun 3:ed - BBB3 Design.
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:20:29 -0500
At 12:48 PM 8/13/97 +0100, you wrote:
#
#OK then... Come up with a shade of deep green that begins with the letter
#"B"....
#
#(What's wrong with the Big Burgandy Book???)

Actually, the way the Gen Con attendees are reporting, it sounds like it's
going to be a Bloody Big Book
;)
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Message no. 30
From: Jaymz <justin@******.NET>
Subject: Re: ShadowRun 3:ed - BBB3 Design.
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:28:17 -0500
At 12:20 AM 8/14/97 +1000, you wrote:
#>At 12:02 12/08/97 -0400, Bull wrote:
#Yep. :-( All books are expensive here. Consider A$12 for a paperback in
#Australia versus US$6 in the US.

Are CDs still around $25?


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Message no. 31
From: Stefan <casanova@***.PASSAGEN.SE>
Subject: Re: ShadowRun 3:ed - BBB3 Design.
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 17:56:15 +0000
> >I
> > >haven't looked at the Earthdawn book recently, but SR2 was layed out fairly
> > >well.
> >
> > You might want to tell Mike M. that. He and the art director are of the
> > opinion that SR2 looks like it was laid out by "primitive tribesmen".
>
> LOL! Yeah ... and it looks like little John went way over his head
> with his crayoons on some of the pictures ... BBB3 Needs alot more
> space ...
>
/Stefan

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Message no. 32
From: Stefan <casanova@***.PASSAGEN.SE>
Subject: Re: ShadowRun 3:ed - BBB3 Design.
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 17:56:15 +0000
> > > BTW: If I haven't mentioned it already, tSR3 may possibly be released in a
> > > Hardback version only available at Gen Con next year... mayu be worth your
> > > time to go, eh? Or send lots of money with those of us who will be
> > > attending...;]
> >
> > This would suck, since I want a hardback (no SR softbacks for me if at all
> > possible, after what happened with my first edition book) but I don't see
> > myself going over to the US within the foreseeable future. Since you seem
> > to speak to Mike a lot, it would be nice if you were to bring this to his
> > attention -- hardbacks should be available to everyone (even if it's only
> > a limited quantity), whether they go to GenCon or not.
>
> Yeah Hardbacks for everyone .... I would like even more books to come
> out in hardback ... Sourcebooks and novells too .... It is just so
> much better with hardback ...
>
/Stefan
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Message no. 33
From: Stefan <casanova@***.PASSAGEN.SE>
Subject: Re: ShadowRun 3:ed - BBB3 Design.
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 17:56:15 +0000
I'm not sure if my last postings got thru since I got them back again
so I am sending them again ... If you have seen them before just
ignore them .. if you havn't the respond to them :)

> > >Since there is going to be a new version of SR (the 3rd Ed.)
> > >I know of a few things that I would like to have improved.
> > >
> > >1. The design. I would like the book to look and feel more
> > >like the Earthdawn book it's really nice. There is alot of space,
> > >nice art (I would prefer more colour art).
> > >
> > It will definately be seriously redisigned, but I don;t know how many color
> > plates there will be, for several reasons.
> >
> > A) Cost. Despite us die-hards willing to play m,ore for a really cool
> > looking book, you have to realize that FASA is aiming this as the first
> > book a new SR player will buy, and it has to be a very enticing first
> > purchase. not everyone who gets into SR is introduced by a friend, or
> > whatever. You need to have a book that someone browsing the shelves of the
> > local game shop will be willing to buy, and anything running more than 25
> > bucks is too expensive for the "Impulse" buy.
>
> Well the could print two versions ... one colourful and one less
> colourful ... That is a solution to that problem. Well quality costs
> and I think that everyone is aware of that and having a big cool
> flashy book on the shelf makes it way more tempting to make an
> impulse buy even if it is $25.
>
> > B) I've noticed that in most of the SR2 books that I've seen (Including my
> > precious Hardback), the first pages that fall out are the color pages.
> > Probably has to do with the glossy paper they used. I hope they don;t use
> > color pages, mostly because I want a book that will hold together well.
>
> Well I would not know since I don't have the hardback version .. It's
> fraggin' impossible to get hold of ... but from what I seen in my
> friends book the map was the first thing to go ...
>
> > C) Size. With the expanded Rigger and Decker rules, and everything else
> > that's already come out, the book is already aiming for somewhere between
> > large and huge. Color art, while nice, is just filler, and is the first
> > thing to get killed when trying to trim the books down.
>
> Well to make a successful book you really do need that filling
> (possible exception is the Bible I guess) .. Just having text page up
> and page down provides for a really really borring reading time ..
>
> > >2. A world map. A map of the world 2057. Capitals/ mayor
> > >resources and places put out. The detailed map of America that is
> > >in the book now should continue to be there since most action
> > >does take place in America.
> > >
> > YOu won;t see this, for a LOT of reasons, but I'll give you a direct quote
> > from Mike when I asked him the question over provate e-mail some time ago...
>
> [SNIP MIKE MULVHILL Quotes]
>
> It's just so darn frustrating having to world as one giant black hole
> with little spots in it where we know what is there ...
>
> > >I know that this might cost more but frankly I would not mind paying
> > >for it.
> > >
> > neither would I, but the unemployed 14 year old that's only ever heard that
> > Shadowrun is a neat little game might mind. At $25.00 you're pushing
> > things already. make the book any more than $30.00, and you're getting out
> > of reach of the "easy payment" costs that sourcebooks need to be...
>
> RPG's ain't a cheap hobby any longer ... Just look at what everything
> else costs and well quality costs with the BBB you can atleast start
> playing SR .... with other big games like AD&D you need hords of
> books.
>
> > BTW: If I haven't mentioned it already, tSR3 may possibly be released in a
> > Hardback version only available at Gen Con next year... mayu be worth your
> > time to go, eh? Or send lots of money with those of us who will be
> > attending...;]
>
> Yeah right .... gah I see the big black hole that was once my wallet
> ... ;(

/Stefan

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Message no. 34
From: Stefan <casanova@***.PASSAGEN.SE>
Subject: Re: ShadowRun 3:ed - BBB3 Design.
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 17:56:15 +0000
> >> All I want to know is when they are going to sign up Elmore for the cover
> >> art again. (Not that that's at all likely, though)

> >Hope so ... another interesting fact is what main colour will the
> >book be in ? I heard that it was Blue in 1ed and well now it is Black
> >.. so to continue with the BBB format is the next one going to be
> >Brown ? Yuck ! Keep the black colour ...

> >Elmore, I sure does hope they sign him up again but then he is a
> >rather expensive artist ... mayby it would be better to have someone
> >less famous draw them and get more art for the buck ... even thou
> >the picture on the front of the BBB now is just great ...

> If FASA owns the art on the cover, they can use it as often as they want.
> If Elmore owns it, they'll just have to pay him to use it. I doubt they'll
> get him to do a new piece of art, though. As Bull mentioned, he just had a
> heart attack and I know of at least one large project he's working on now.

Time to send that "get well Elmore email" then ...

> As for the color of the book, I want rust. That's kind of brown ;)

> I kinda like that circuit board pattern FASA has on their webpage.
> Use a gun metal gray background, and superimpose that pattern over
> it with neon colored highlights sprinkled around.

> Deep green ...

OK so the options are Rust brown ... Deep Green ... and a highlighted
circuit pattern ... Well ... I don't like the so called circuit
pattern on Fasa's homepage very much (I don't even like FASA's
homepage that much) ... I think that a deep green or a rust brown
would probably look good ... but I still prefer the Black colour.

If they change the colour from one that begins with B I guess the BBB
is out the window ... and that would be sad ...

/Stefan




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Message no. 35
From: "MARTIN E. GOTTHARD" <s457033@*******.GU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: ShadowRun 3:ed - BBB3 Design.
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:11:34 +1000
> #Australia versus US$6 in the US.
>
> Are CDs still around $25?
>

Nope.... $30, and the imported ones are more again.

How long _have_ you been gone?

Marty
Message no. 36
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: ShadowRun 3:ed - BBB3 Design.
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 12:24:27 +0100
Spike said on 12:48/13 Aug 97...

> OK then... Come up with a shade of deep green that begins with the letter
> "B"....

Bronze green (British Army WWII vehicle color). Not sure how dark it is,
though, I think it's more medium green, but "Dark Bronze Green" doesn't
start with a B :(

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Message no. 37
From: "MARTIN E. GOTTHARD" <s457033@*******.GU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: ShadowRun 3:ed - BBB3 Design.
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 22:08:34 +1000
> > OK then... Come up with a shade of deep green that begins with the letter
> > "B"....
>
> Bronze green (British Army WWII vehicle color). Not sure how dark it is,
> though, I think it's more medium green, but "Dark Bronze Green" doesn't
> start with a B :(
>

Here's one for Lady Jestyr; BRIGHT YELLOW! (It's her favourite colour)

Who really cares what colour it is, eh? It's what's inside that matters.

<gump>
My momma always said.... Never judge a book by its cover
</gump>

Besides, it's going to be a Bloody Big Book, anyway.

Marty
Message no. 38
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: ShadowRun 3:ed - BBB3 Design.
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 07:05:12 -0600
MARTIN E. GOTTHARD wrote:
|
| Besides, it's going to be a Bloody Big Book, anyway.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I think we have a winner :)

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Message no. 39
From: Jaymz <justin@******.NET>
Subject: Re: ShadowRun 3:ed - BBB3 Design.
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 08:43:12 -0500
At 07:11 PM 8/14/97 +1000, you wrote:
#> #Australia versus US$6 in the US.
#>
#> Are CDs still around $25?
#>
#
#Nope.... $30, and the imported ones are more again.
#
#How long _have_ you been gone?

Gotta love inflation, I've only been gone since mid '93
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Message no. 40
From: Stefan <casanova@***.PASSAGEN.SE>
Subject: Re: ShadowRun 3:ed - BBB3 Design.
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 18:24:25 +0000
> MARTIN E. GOTTHARD wrote:
> |
> | Besides, it's going to be a Bloody Big Book, anyway.
>
> Ladies and Gentlemen, I think we have a winner :)
>
Souds like a winner to me if the colour nameing goes away ... the
Bloody Big Book .... :)

/Stefan

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Message no. 41
From: Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRun 3:ed - BBB3 Design.
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 18:14:30 -0700
---Bull wrote:
>
> Well, for starters... Elmore's not exactly feeling well at the
moment. he
> wasn't able to make it to the Con as he had a heart attack on the
way to
> Gen Con. I've lost his e-mail addy, but when Loki gets back, ask
him for
> it and you can send him a get well card.

No problem, here you go:

lelmore@******.com

Let him know you enjoy his work. :o)

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Message no. 42
From: Benjamin <benjamin@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRun 3:ed - BBB3 Design.
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:07:01 PDT
>> |
>> | Besides, it's going to be a Bloody Big Book, anyway.
>>
>> Ladies and Gentlemen, I think we have a winner :)
>>
>Souds like a winner to me if the colour nameing goes away ... the
>Bloody Big Book .... :)

No! Color it blood red and call it the Big Bloody Book!
Message no. 43
From: Jaymz <justin@******.NET>
Subject: Re: ShadowRun 3:ed - BBB3 Design.
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 21:50:20 -0500
At 07:07 PM 8/14/97 PDT, Benjamin wrote:
#>> |
#>> | Besides, it's going to be a Bloody Big Book, anyway.
#>>
#>> Ladies and Gentlemen, I think we have a winner :)
#>>
#>Souds like a winner to me if the colour nameing goes away ... the
#>Bloody Big Book .... :)
#
#No! Color it blood red and call it the Big Bloody Book!

It desn't have to bed to be bloody the way I run my campaigns
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Message no. 44
From: "Wendy Wanders, Subject 117" <KGGEWEHR@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU>
Subject: Re: ShadowRun 3:ed - BBB3 Design.
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 22:57:52 -0500
You wrote:
> It desn't have to bed to be bloody the way I run my campaigns
Gee, and I was thinking green because if sets off red nicely and makes it
'pop'. :)


losthalo
Message no. 45
From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: ShadowRun 3:ed - BBB3 Design.
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 10:59:36 -0400
In a message dated 97-08-12 21:46:05 EDT, KGGEWEHR@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU
(Wendy Wanders, Subject 117) writes:

> > Hope so ... another interesting fact is what main colour will the
> > book be in ? I heard that it was Blue in 1ed and well now it is Black
> > .. so to continue with the BBB format is the next one going to be
> > Brown ? Yuck ! Keep the black colour ...
> No, I keep telling you, a nice, deep green! That's the way to go, trust
me
> on
> this!
>
A suggestion...Blood Red....it follows through with what is heading this way
and the growing influence of "blood magic" and "spilled blood" and
"blood
lines" that SR is using anyway...Sure, it may also get the attention of the
religious nutcases, but heh, they hate us already...

-K
Message no. 46
From: Tobias Berghoff <Zixx@*****.TEUTO.DE>
Subject: Re: ShadowRun 3:ed - BBB3 Design.
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 21:56:00 GMT
on 12.08.97 lobo1@****.COM wrote:

l> <<This would suck, since I want a hardback (no SR softbacks for me if at
l> all possible, after what happened with my first edition book) but I don't
l> see myself going over to the US within the foreseeable future. Since you
l> seem to speak to Mike a lot, it would be nice if you were to bring this
l> to his attention -- hardbacks should be available to everyone (even if
l> it's only a limited quantity), whether they go to GenCon or not.>>
l>
l> Ditto. I hope to make to GC next year, but college will probably do a
l> good job of crippling my cash flow, unless I can get one *heck* of a
l> summer job:) I'm getting a hardcover, darnit! but I really don't know
l> whether or not I'll manage to make it to GC98, life tends to get in the
l> way of the best laid plans and all.

So we are three, who want the hardcover. And I don't want to wait 'til
2058, as by that time Fantasy Productions will probably bring out the
German version (which will be hardcover). I'll try to get to GenCon, but
it's kinda expensive to me (flying there, hotel, maybe car...arrrgghhh).


Tobias
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