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Message no. 1
From: Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
Subject: Shadowrun Fluffy? (Was: Re: Mysticism [New Spells for Old,)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 17:05:18 -0600
At 12:58 7/12/97 -0400, you wrote:
>> Hrm. Sounds rather fun, actually.. Although I think my view of the
>> Shadowrun world is a bit more..err.. well, gruesome and nasty. FASA's
>> Shadowrun is a bit more fluffy and magical than I like.
>>
>> -Aj
>
>And, actually Aj, the idea of Shadowrun being a bit to "fluffy", well, I
>guess I can see where you are saying, however, look at the implications.
>
>SR had to pass the censorhip rules somehow...honourable doesn't exist in this
>example...

Obviously. Replace Drek with Shit and Frag with Fuck, and Shadowrun would
have never been sold in most bookstores on that reason alone.
And I can understand that. FASA has to make money, so if they have to tone
down the aspects that would have been 'questionable' to the normal public.
I think most gamers have a higher tolerance for things such as that, however..

Although I have met a few people online who get offended when I use 'fuck'
during a game..

-Adam
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Message no. 2
From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Fluffy? (Was: Re: Mysticism [New Spells for Old,)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 20:07:51 -0400
In a message dated 97-07-12 19:38:23 EDT, fro@***.AB.CA (Adam J) writes:

>
> Although I have met a few people online who get offended when I use 'fuck'
> during a game..
>
> -Adam
> --
>
Actually, wasn't there an Ork bodyguard in a book that said something like
"How Quaint...he said Fuck..."

-K
Message no. 3
From: Skye Comstock <bilbo@****.NWLINK.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Fluffy? (Was: Re: Mysticism [New Spells for Old,)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 19:21:04 -0800
>Actually, wasn't there an Ork bodyguard in a book that said something like
>"How Quaint...he said Fuck..."

Yeah... I seem to remember that. The idea that 'Fuck' just kind of
whithered away sometime during the past 50 years is a little silly,
it's not like the Crash of '29 was *that* bad. :) There are a few
novels that have characters say 'shit' and 'fuck' and I happen
to like it that way. In my games, I always say shit and fuck,
and that's just the way it is. I'm not 9 (Although some people
probably think I act like it sometimes.), so I'll continue to
use these horrible words. :)

-Skye, "Wow, that was a really wizzer job you did on the drek
eating frag-face, natch!" :P
Message no. 4
From: Benjamin <benjamin@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Fluffy? (Was: Re: Mysticism [New Spells for Old,)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 19:31:15 PDT
>Actually, wasn't there an Ork bodyguard in a book that said something like
>"How Quaint...he said Fuck..."

Actually, K, i think that exchange went something like:

Dirk:Get the fuck out of my apartment.
Ork(?):How quaint. You said fuck.
Dirk:How quaint. You formed a complete sentence. Get the fuck out of my aparment.
Message no. 5
From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Fluffy? (Was: Re: Mysticism [New Spells for Old,)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 02:35:04 -0400
In a message dated 97-07-12 22:56:00 EDT, benjamin@*****.COM (Benjamin)
writes:

>
> Actually, K, i think that exchange went something like:
>
> Dirk:Get the fuck out of my apartment.
> Ork(?):How quaint. You said fuck.
> Dirk:How quaint. You formed a complete sentence. Get the fuck out of my
> aparment.
>
>
That's it, yeah...
-K (who's fighting back tears for something at the moment)
Message no. 6
From: Benjamin <benjamin@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Fluffy? (Was: Re: Mysticism [New Spells for Old,)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 23:54:11 PDT
>> Actually, K, i think that exchange went something like:
>>
>> Dirk:Get the fuck out of my apartment.
>> Ork(?):How quaint. You said fuck.
>> Dirk:How quaint. You formed a complete sentence. Get the fuck out of my
>> aparment.
>>
>>
>That's it, yeah...
>-K (who's fighting back tears for something at the moment)

Yeah. One of my fav. SR lines ever.

-DeathHawkBlackWindIceShadow - Lurker Extrodinare!
Message no. 7
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Fluffy? (Was: Re: Mysticism [New Spells for Old,)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 12:21:09 +0100
|
|>Actually, wasn't there an Ork bodyguard in a book that said something like
|>"How Quaint...he said Fuck..."
|
|Yeah... I seem to remember that. The idea that 'Fuck' just kind of
|whithered away sometime during the past 50 years is a little silly,
|it's not like the Crash of '29 was *that* bad. :)

The point is, 20 years ago, words like SOD and BUGGER were unacceptable.
Who's to say that 'Fuck' won't have lost all power to offend by then?
(And what's the use of a good swear word if it doesn't have some power
behind it?)

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Message no. 8
From: "Bruce H. Nagel" <NAGELBH@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Fluffy? (Was: Re: Mysticism [New Spells for Old,)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 18:34:11 -0500
You wrote:
> The point is, 20 years ago, words like SOD and BUGGER were unacceptable.
> Who's to say that 'Fuck' won't have lost all power to offend by then?
> (And what's the use of a good swear word if it doesn't have some power
> behind it?)
Actually, it's really lost its power to offend anyone but the really sensitive
even today. It's bland now, overused, and can't really get to you.

losthalo
Message no. 9
From: Jaymz <justin@******.NET>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Fluffy? (Was: Re: Mysticism [New Spells for Old,)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 19:53:30 -0500
At 06:34 PM 7/13/97 -0500, you wrote:
#You wrote:
#> The point is, 20 years ago, words like SOD and BUGGER were unacceptable.
#> Who's to say that 'Fuck' won't have lost all power to offend by then?
#> (And what's the use of a good swear word if it doesn't have some power
#> behind it?)
#Actually, it's really lost its power to offend anyone but the really
sensitive
#even today. It's bland now, overused, and can't really get to you.
I dunno, what would happen if you happened to say it to you boss??
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Message no. 10
From: "Bruce H. Nagel" <NAGELBH@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Fluffy? (Was: Re: Mysticism [New Spells for Old,)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 22:31:46 -0500
You wrote:
> #Actually, it's really lost its power to offend anyone but the really
> sensitive
> #even today. It's bland now, overused, and can't really get to you.
> I dunno, what would happen if you happened to say it to you boss??
I don't talk to my boss the way I do to other people in general anyway. That's
just another example. But it's been a long time since a curse word really
actually shocked me. Fourth grade or so, maybe.

losthalo, who got his foul-word education early
Message no. 11
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Fluffy? (Was: Re: Mysticism [New Spells for Old,)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 12:49:23 +0100
|
|You wrote:
|> The point is, 20 years ago, words like SOD and BUGGER were unacceptable.
|> Who's to say that 'Fuck' won't have lost all power to offend by then?
|> (And what's the use of a good swear word if it doesn't have some power
|> behind it?)

|Actually, it's really lost its power to offend anyone but the really sensitive
|even today. It's bland now, overused, and can't really get to you.

My point exactly....
I imagine "FRAG" and "DREK" have much more insulting/disturbing/filthy
connotations than "FUCK", in the rwal Shadowrun world....
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______________________________________________________________________________
|u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk| "Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky?" |
|Andrew Halliwell | |
|Principal subjects in:- | "I think so brain, but this time, you control |
|Comp Sci & Electronics | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice..." |
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|GCv3.1 GCS/EL>$ d---(dpu) s+/- a- C++ U N++ o+ K- w-- M+/++ PS+++ PE- Y t+ |
|5++ X+/++ R+ tv+ b+ D G e>PhD h/h+ !r! !y-|I can't say F**K either now! :( |
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Message no. 12
From: Drekhead <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Fluffy? (Was: Re: Mysticism [New Spells for Old,)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 11:16:19 +0000
On 13 Jul 97 at 19:53, Jaymz wrote:

> #even today. It's bland now, overused, and can't really get to you.
> I dunno, what would happen if you happened to say it to you boss??

Nothing. He says it to me all the time! :)

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Message no. 13
From: Caric <caric@********.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Fluffy? (Was: Re: Mysticism [New Spells for Old,)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 14:06:11 -0700
Spike wrote:

> |>Actually, wasn't there an Ork bodyguard in a book that said something like
> |>"How Quaint...he said Fuck..."
> |
> |Yeah... I seem to remember that. The idea that 'Fuck' just kind of
> |whithered away sometime during the past 50 years is a little silly,
> |it's not like the Crash of '29 was *that* bad. :)
>
> The point is, 20 years ago, words like SOD and BUGGER were unacceptable.
> Who's to say that 'Fuck' won't have lost all power to offend by then?
> (And what's the use of a good swear word if it doesn't have some power
> behind it?)

Ya know that's a very good point Spike (Boggle ;-) Anyway, it's true I
mean look at the word "bitch" it has been slang for awhile, but it
really isn't a big deal anymore, there are songs about it and it's said
all the time on national television here in america. Once it makes it
to TV it's just not offensive anymore durnit!!!

Caric
Message no. 14
From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Shadowrun Fluffy? (Was: Re: Mysticism [New Spells for Old,)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 17:58:17 -0400
In a message dated 97-07-13 21:03:25 EDT, justin@******.NET (Jaymz) writes:

> #Actually, it's really lost its power to offend anyone but the really
> sensitive
> #even today. It's bland now, overused, and can't really get to you.
> I dunno, what would happen if you happened to say it to you boss??
>
Mine would be listening to see if I was still mad at her. She's made othe
remarks where she's twisted mine, and other's, words. However, I got really
made when a box broke and shattered my toes last year, started swearing SR
style and it really through her for a loop. She knew the intent, but
actually asked me what they all meant.

-Keith

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