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Message no. 1
From: "P. Steele" <P.C.Steele@*********.AC.UK>
Subject: Smart guns etc
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 92 19:04:33 BST
A while ago I asked a question about wether or not it is the cyberware (ie
smartgun link) or wether the gun being used has an integral smartgun that
gives the -2 to target numbers (S1 rules).

If as I suspect the answer comes back 'Cyberware, because you need a palm
induction link to use it, and you need a smartgun adaptor to use smart
goggles. Integral smartguns are better than adapted smartguns (hence -1 or
-2). '

Then consider this : howabout a glove that has an integral palm induction
link and connects up to the smart goggles (or shades, visor etc). This
should in my opinion work.

The other argument that the cross hairs are being projected directly onto
retina being better than looking through a pair of goggles, shades etc
doesn't hold true, as a person today wearing glasses, or goggles etc can
see just as well as a person without.

Comments, suggestions welcome :)

By the way before anyone flames me saying 'Why are you bothering with the
add on's rather than the real thing. It's because I'm a phys ad. and I DON'T
want to lose any esscence.


Phillip Steele

P.C.Steele@**.ac.ncl


-Also known as the Powerhouse
Message no. 2
From: steven mancini <mancinis@******.CC.PURDUE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Smart guns etc
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 92 21:47:14 EST
]
] A while ago I asked a question about wether or not it is the cyberware (ie
] smartgun link) or wether the gun being used has an integral smartgun that
] gives the -2 to target numbers (S1 rules).
]
>It is the receptor of the message. If it is the flesh it is +2
>if it is some apparel it is +1.

] If as I suspect the answer comes back 'Cyberware, because you need a palm
] induction link to use it, and you need a smartgun adaptor to use smart
] goggles. Integral smartguns are better than adapted smartguns (hence -1 or
] -2). '
]
>You need: Smartgun Arm Unit (Palm induction) -or-
>> Datajack into which to place adapter.

] Then consider this : howabout a glove that has an integral palm induction
] link and connects up to the smart goggles (or shades, visor etc). This
] should in my opinion work.
]
>Would be +1.

] The other argument that the cross hairs are being projected directly onto
] retina being better than looking through a pair of goggles, shades etc
] doesn't hold true, as a person today wearing glasses, or goggles etc can
] see just as well as a person without.
]
>yes, but can they process the info as quickly? I really think
>the whole +1/+2 strategy relies on where the smartgun information
>is sent to. I am not biologist, psychologist, etc so please
>provide me with a certain degree of freddom as I attempt to explain
>my position...

>What I imagine is the difference is at what level the information
>is being processed. With Smartgun Links and lines into a datajack
>you are relying on the information as *part* of your senses; it
>is fed as part of the whole picture. With Goggles, they are *adding*
>to your senses, as if playing another layer of info (the goggles)
>to be processed and adjusted for.

>Also I think (being a person with genetically superior eyes ;-) that
>glasses would affect your ability to process info. Granted in a
>normal situation, I imagine that glasses become "part" of you.
>However, my girlfriend, who also wears glasses never gets truly
>"used" to them. Okay, now modify this slightly; to the character
>who is not wearing glasses to correct a problem, but to add more
>definition and a foreign, object (the crosshairs) to their field
>of view and now make them "adjust" for this new edition in the
>time span of a combat phase.

>I think this is where the real difference emerges; a smartgun link
>makes it part of your processing, and smart goggles add another
>dimension. And unless your character walks around wearing smart
>goggles as much as you wear glasses (which is not too realistic)
>I think the goggles would most definitely not be adjusted to as
>well as someone who has worn glasses their whole life.

] Comments, suggestions welcome :)

>You asked for it; ya got it. :)

] By the way before anyone flames me saying 'Why are you bothering with the
] add on's rather than the real thing. It's because I'm a phys ad. and I DON'T
] want to lose any esscence.

>Okay now for the cop-out. You don't deserve the same bonus. If
>you allow a Physical Adept to strap on accessories that make him
>rival a street samurai, then why the Hell would anyone play a
>samurai anymore? I mean strap on some forarm snap-blades, some
>really good body armour and ... see what I mean? I think
>the commitment to magic deserves something- Killing Hands,
>Autosuccesses, etc. Likewise, I think that committing oneself
>to the Chrome Reality deserves something- benefits from cyberware
>that cannot be duplicated elsewhere. Clearly there are some basic
>essentials that appear standard to all archtypes- increasing ones
>reaction speed, a variable pool to apply to skills centered around
>that profession, etc. But to allow a phys. adept to duplicate the
>cyberware mods depreciates the value of the samurai; after all if
>you can wear it so can the mage, the shaman, the rigger, etc...

>Alot of people find "Game Balance" to be a weak reason for
>anything.. I find it to be the very best. Without balance, the
>game would depreciate in overall entertainment value for some
>at the expense of others.

*** Of course, this is all IMHO, and will probably be received with
hostile reactions...

>>>>>>-Minotaur

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Message no. 3
From: "P. Steele" <P.C.Steele@*********.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Smartguns etc
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 92 17:33:56 GMT
> Nope. Just doesn't work. Buddy, you evidently have never required
>corrective lenses in your life. If you get used to contacts, and you suddenly
>have to switch to glasses, you'd be surprised at the difference. In
>addition to the fact that a lot, if not all of your peripheral vision is gone,
>you also have to deal with the fact that your eyes are forced to choose a
>new focus-point in order to assimilate proper vision.
>[...]
> --Flare <NULLSIG COURTESY OF DOOM>


>>>>>[Guess I've been wearing contacts too long, I'll have to dig those old
glasses out at some point]<<<<<
-The Powerhouse(17:33:56/26.10.92)

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