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Message no. 1
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: [SR3] Magical Success Usage
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 01:48:06 EDT
In a message dated 8/12/1998 3:48:31 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
erikj@****.COM writes:

> >This may have already been discussed, (can't retrieve early "SRIII Magic
> >Changes" postings) it seems that the force of a spell cast no longer
> >influences the max number of dice used in the Sorcery test. It only
> >seems to matter when saving or determining drain.
>
> Not quite. Force determines maximum number of success, you roll Sorcery
> dice to determine success.
>
> To my mind, it better models the concept of "bandwidth" than the old SR2
> method.

Okay, time to jump right into this again. This is not entirely correct, and
yet it is all at the same time.

The Force of the spell DOES determine the number of maximum successes in many
of the -UNRESISTED- spells that are out there (Heal/Treat, Many of the
Detection Category). It is NOT the limitation on Combat Magic and, as far as
I can find so far, anything that is of a resisted nature. Many of the spells
give indications of whether or not this limitation does exist or not with
regards to itself.

I also like that several spells also immediately list whether or not they have
a "Threshold" that has to be surpassed, and what attribute that threshold
actually is. Several, if not all, of the Control Manipulations (Mental) are
of this kind.

So yes, many spells are now limited in the potential success levels with
regards to their force, but that number is a far cry from all of them.

-K
Message no. 2
From: Caric <caric@********.COM>
Subject: Re: [SR3] Magical Success Usage
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:50:54 -0700
> From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>

> > >This may have already been discussed, (can't retrieve early "SRIII
Magic
> > >Changes" postings) it seems that the force of a spell cast no longer
> > >influences the max number of dice used in the Sorcery test. It only
> > >seems to matter when saving or determining drain.
> >
> > Not quite. Force determines maximum number of success, you roll
Sorcery
> > dice to determine success.
> >
> > To my mind, it better models the concept of "bandwidth" than the old
SR2
> > method.
>
> Okay, time to jump right into this again. This is not entirely correct,
and
> yet it is all at the same time.
>
> The Force of the spell DOES determine the number of maximum successes in
many
> of the -UNRESISTED- spells that are out there (Heal/Treat, Many of the
> Detection Category). It is NOT the limitation on Combat Magic and, as
far as
> I can find so far, anything that is of a resisted nature. Many of the
spells
> give indications of whether or not this limitation does exist or not with
> regards to itself.

You hit the nail right on the head here K. Unresisted spells have a cap of
max successes = force. Anything resisted (note that many spells that were
not resisted before now are so don't freak just yet) has no cap on
successes. One of the reasons for this is to alleviate things like a force
1 armor spell being able to add insane amounts to a characters body rating.


> So yes, many spells are now limited in the potential success levels with
> regards to their force, but that number is a far cry from all of them.

It should be a large minority of them IIRC.

Caric

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Message no. 3
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: [SR3] Magical Success Usage
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:27:32 -0400
At 01:48 AM 8/13/98 EDT, you wrote:

>The Force of the spell DOES determine the number of maximum successes in many
>of the -UNRESISTED- spells that are out there (Heal/Treat, Many of the
>Detection Category). It is NOT the limitation on Combat Magic and, as far as
>I can find so far, anything that is of a resisted nature. Many of the spells
>give indications of whether or not this limitation does exist or not with
>regards to itself.

Okay, this is what Mongoose mentioned last week.

I still don't recall this from my playtest materials, so either I managed
to skip right over it, it was something that I never received, or was added
afterwards. Don't know honestly.

But okay, good enough. If it's straight from the BABY, I can't exactly
contradict it.

Damn I hate waiting...

Erik the Really Impatient


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