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Message no. 1
From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: SR/ED ties (slight rant)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 12:49:47 -0400
In a message dated 97-07-06 08:31:25 EDT, u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK (Spike)
writes:

> | !) is SR magic a limited form of adept magic or is a new form
alltogether,
> |maybe Psionics?
>
> Nope. It's very limited adept magic. Think about it.
> A quickening viewed from astral resembles a thread. We just haven't
figured
> out how to weave them into REALLY powerful spells.... Yet.....
>
And I hope it never does. No offense guys, one of the reasons I dropped AD&D
is because it became very obvious that people, read as players, were just
hooked on getting lots of powers/magic/abilities and become something nasty.
I liked the fact that in order to get magical power above the old 5th level
of spells (give or take) required nasty ritual magic. Even Limited Wish
just irked me.

And then comes along ED, with spells that can level cities, adept powers that
rival the Spice Melange (spelling?) in pure form, and who knows what else...

Sounds like it'll destroy SR to me...
(sorry for the rant)
Message no. 2
From: Archie Burks <Dragathor@***.COM>
Subject: Re: SR/ED ties (slight rant)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 12:59:16 -0400
<< And I hope it never does. No offense guys, one of the reasons I dropped
AD&D
is because it became very obvious that people, read as players, were just
hooked on getting lots of powers/magic/abilities and become something nasty.
I liked the fact that in order to get magical power above the old 5th level
of spells (give or take) required nasty ritual magic. Even Limited Wish
just irked me.

And then comes along ED, with spells that can level cities, adept powers
that
rival the Spice Melange (spelling?) in pure form, and who knows what else...

Sounds like it'll destroy SR to me...
( >>

If you want to play SR, then play it. If you want to play ED, then play it.
If and when they come out with the ties then you can euther play it or stick
with the old stuff. Your choice. But me I like the idea of tieing the two
together. It gives a sense of history , a true sense of an epic story. Just
wait until the "Hunter of dragons" shows up and then decides to get Wired
Reflexes 3 nd mabye orthoskin then tries to hunt you down. then you'll be
praying for the passions to teach you to tie threads .

Archie ( no flame intended)
Message no. 3
From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: SR/ED ties (slight rant)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 13:11:51 -0400
In a message dated 97-07-06 13:01:28 EDT, Dragathor@***.COM (Archie Burks)
writes:

>
> If you want to play SR, then play it. If you want to play ED, then play
it.
> If and when they come out with the ties then you can euther play it or
> stick
> with the old stuff. Your choice. But me I like the idea of tieing the two
> together. It gives a sense of history , a true sense of an epic story.
> Just
> wait until the "Hunter of dragons" shows up and then decides to get Wired
> Reflexes 3 nd mabye orthoskin then tries to hunt you down. then you'll be
> praying for the passions to teach you to tie threads .
>
>
Oh my, Verji with cyberware...now ain't that a nightmare waiting to happen.
But hey, I've just been reminded...Move-by-Wire, NOT Wired Reflexes...I
mean, it's only the best....and not Orthoskin, how about Dermal Sheathing
with color adaptation...Verji in a variety...Ruby Rod (of 5th Element) eat
your heart out...maybe make it mood sensitive, and lie about the mood
translator....Verji in Pink!!! when pissed...

But don't get me wrong, on the serious side I understand...I actually use the
crossovers, pretty heavily...right now the characters here are after Ubyr on
the Illinois River (seemed toxic enough).
Message no. 4
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: SR/ED ties (slight rant)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 15:10:24 +0100
Archie Burks said on 12:59/ 6 Jul 97...

> If you want to play SR, then play it. If you want to play ED, then play it.
> If and when they come out with the ties then you can euther play it or stick
> with the old stuff. Your choice. But me I like the idea of tieing the two
> together. It gives a sense of history , a true sense of an epic story.

It can do that, yeah. However, introducing Horrors into SR would most
likely mean the quick annihilation of most of the population of the world,
with the rest held in slavery by the Horrors -- SR's magic hasn't
developed far enough to combat them (thread magic, spell matrices, etc.)
and the tech is probably not quite advanced enough either to rely on that
alone (and in combination with SR magic you'd do better to just run away).

Aside from that, it would make no sense for Horrors to come through en
masse around 2060 -- it's about 2000 years too soon.

> Just wait until the "Hunter of dragons" shows up and then decides to get
> Wired Reflexes 3 nd mabye orthoskin then tries to hunt you down. then
> you'll be praying for the passions to teach you to tie threads .

One quesiton: WHY would good old Verji want wired reflexes? Looks to me
like he's powerful enough already...

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Message no. 5
From: Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: SR/ED ties (slight rant)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 10:22:52 EST
> > Just wait until the "Hunter of dragons" shows up and then decides to
get
> > Wired Reflexes 3 nd mabye orthoskin then tries to hunt you down. then
> > you'll be praying for the passions to teach you to tie threads .
>
> One quesiton: WHY would good old Verji want wired reflexes? Looks to
> me like he's powerful enough already...

Simple. Verji's a Munchie. Isn't it obvious?

-=SwiftOne=-

(I should know better than to post my Fixers bit after SR3....no one
will notice it. :( Also: SR3: The Big Red. Count on it.)
Message no. 6
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: SR/ED ties (slight rant)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 17:53:58 +0100
|And then comes along ED, with spells that can level cities, adept powers that
|rival the Spice Melange (spelling?) in pure form, and who knows what else...

I wouldn't worry too much.
Those kinds of magics are still centuries away in the Shadowrun
timeline.....

(Apart from our old buddies the IE....)
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|u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk| "Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky?" |
|Andrew Halliwell | |
|Principal subjects in:- | "I think so brain, but this time, you control |
|Comp Sci & Electronics | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice..." |
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Message no. 7
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: SR/ED ties (slight rant)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 18:44:10 +0100
|
|> > Just wait until the "Hunter of dragons" shows up and then decides to
get
|> > Wired Reflexes 3 nd mabye orthoskin then tries to hunt you down. then
|> > you'll be praying for the passions to teach you to tie threads .
|>
|> One quesiton: WHY would good old Verji want wired reflexes? Looks to
|> me like he's powerful enough already...
|
|Simple. Verji's a Munchie. Isn't it obvious?

Ahhh, but Verji's a dual natured dude, in't'ee?

Which means, he'd be losing power on one side to gain a lesser power on the
other.....


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|u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk| "Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky?" |
|Andrew Halliwell | |
|Principal subjects in:- | "I think so brain, but this time, you control |
|Comp Sci & Electronics | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice..." |
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Message no. 8
From: Caric <caric@********.COM>
Subject: Re: SR/ED ties (slight rant)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 13:30:14 -0700
| Simple. Verji's a Munchie. Isn't it obvious?

Of Course!!!!!

| -=SwiftOne=-
|
| (I should know better than to post my Fixers bit after SR3....no one
| will notice it. :( Also: SR3: The Big Red. Count on it.)

Don't worry Swifty i'm getting there honest. I prefer The Big "Woodchuck
White" Book

:)

OUCH!!!! (pre-twap/flame response)

-Caric

"These pretzels are MAKING ME THIRSTY!!!!!"
Message no. 9
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: SR/ED ties (slight rant)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 21:56:01 +0100
|Don't worry Swifty i'm getting there honest. I prefer The Big "Woodchuck
|White" Book
|
|:)
|
|OUCH!!!! (pre-twap/flame response)

Caric, Caric, Caric....

I'm not going to flame you or thwap you......


............ yet...............

I'm going to wait, and then thwap you when you're not ready for it......


<EGMLOL>
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|u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk| "Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky?" |
|Andrew Halliwell | |
|Principal subjects in:- | "I think so brain, but this time, you control |
|Comp Sci & Electronics | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice..." |
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Message no. 10
From: Caric <caric@********.COM>
Subject: Re: SR/ED ties (slight rant)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 14:08:06 -0700
| Caric, Caric, Caric....
|
| I'm not going to flame you or thwap you......
|
|
| ............ yet...............
|
| I'm going to wait, and then thwap you when you're not ready for it......
|
|
| <EGMLOL>

Ya know Spike you're alot like the Spanish Inquisition in that regard.

:)

-Caric

"These pretzels are MAKING ME THIRSTY!!!!!"
Message no. 11
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: SR/ED ties (slight rant)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 22:55:33 +0100
|Ya know Spike you're alot like the Spanish Inquisition in that regard.

I didn't expect the spanish inquisition......

:) :p

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|u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk| "Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky?" |
|Andrew Halliwell | |
|Principal subjects in:- | "I think so brain, but this time, you control |
|Comp Sci & Electronics | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice..." |
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Message no. 12
From: Michael Broadwater <mbroadwa@*******.GLENAYRE.COM>
Subject: Re: SR/ED ties (slight rant)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 08:58:29 -0500
At 10:55 PM 7/7/97 +0100, Spike wrote:
>|Ya know Spike you're alot like the Spanish Inquisition in that regard.
>
>I didn't expect the spanish inquisition......
>
NO ONE EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION...



well _someone_ was gonna say it, might as well be me :)


Rasputin-the-trying-to-get-into-an-Sr-book-magekin
http://www.bcl.net/~rasputin
http://www.blackhand.org/

The dumber people think you are, the more surprised they're going to be
when you kill them. -- William Clayton
Message no. 13
From: Caric <caric@********.COM>
Subject: Re: SR/ED ties (slight rant)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 09:40:28 -0700
| >|Ya know Spike you're alot like the Spanish Inquisition in that regard.
| >
| >I didn't expect the spanish inquisition......
| >
| NO ONE EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION...
|
|
|
| well _someone_ was gonna say it, might as well be me :)

I was fully intending to, but got sidetracked...nice to see your there to
cover my back. :)

-Caric

"These pretzels are MAKING ME THIRSTY!!!!!"
Message no. 14
From: "David J. Browne Jr" <Ronin55444@***.COM>
Subject: Re: SR/ED ties (slight rant)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 14:48:37 -0400
In a message dated 97-07-07 22:41:37 EDT, you write:

<< Ya know Spike you're alot like the Spanish Inquisition in that regard.

I didn't expect the spanish inquisition......
>>

Nooooo one expects the Spanish Inquisition..... Our Main Weapon is
Shadowrun....
Message no. 15
From: Caric <caric@********.COM>
Subject: Re: SR/ED ties (slight rant)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 11:49:18 -0700
| << Ya know Spike you're alot like the Spanish Inquisition in that regard.
|
| I didn't expect the spanish inquisition......
| >>
|
| Nooooo one expects the Spanish Inquisition..... Our Main Weapon is
| Shadowrun....

Ok ok ok our two main weapons are Shadowrun and the big comfy chair...no
wait...


-Caric

"If a man talks in the forest, and there isn't a woman around to hear him,
is he still wrong?"
Message no. 16
From: Raven <florian.goll@******.UNI-WEIMAR.DE>
Subject: Re: SR/ED ties (slight rant)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 10:17:56 +0000
> | << Ya know Spike you're alot like the Spanish Inquisition in that regard.
> |
> | I didn't expect the spanish inquisition......
> | >>
> |
> | Nooooo one expects the Spanish Inquisition..... Our Main Weapon is
> | Shadowrun....
>
> Ok ok ok our two main weapons are Shadowrun and the big comfy chair...no
> wait...
... our THREE main weapons are Shadowrun, the big comfy chair and the
soft cushions... aaaand
--Raven



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Message no. 17
From: Raven <florian.goll@******.UNI-WEIMAR.DE>
Subject: Re: SR/ED ties (slight rant)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 10:17:56 +0000
> | << Ya know Spike you're alot like the Spanish Inquisition in that regard.
> |
> | I didn't expect the spanish inquisition......
> | >>
> |
> | Nooooo one expects the Spanish Inquisition..... Our Main Weapon is
> | Shadowrun....
>
> Ok ok ok our two main weapons are Shadowrun and the big comfy chair...no
> wait...

Our THREE main weapons are Shadowrun, the comfy chair, the soft
cushions aaand...
--Raven



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Message no. 18
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: SR/ED ties (slight rant)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 00:38:18 -0400
Raven once dared to write after others,

>Our THREE main weapons are Shadowrun, the comfy chair, the soft
>cushions aaand...

OK, OK, amongst our weaponry are Shadowrun, the comfy chair, the
soft cushions, a 1,000 year old carp and a guru on a dyke.

1,2,3,4,5, 5 OK

Our 5 weapons..., oh you handle it.

- MC23, who is not a number -
"OK, I'm two letters and a number."
Message no. 19
From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: SR/ED ties (slight rant)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 12:18:46 -0400
In a message dated 97-07-11 06:23:27 EDT, florian.goll@******.uni-weimar.de
(Raven) writes:

> > Ok ok ok our two main weapons are Shadowrun and the big comfy chair...no
> > wait...
> ... our THREE main weapons are Shadowrun, the big comfy chair and the
> soft cushions... aaaand
> --Raven
>
AAAaaand, the Remote "Player OFF!!!" aaaand the dog "sick him Nicki, get
him
girl (75 pounds of golden shepherd drift over waving tail gleefully draggin
the dreaded 'rascally rabbit' toy with her).
-K

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