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Message no. 1
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Dan Turek)
Subject: Tir Tangire (and other Sourcebooks)
Date: Fri Apr 19 11:40:01 2002
>Wait until the Shadows of North America Sourcebook
>comes out later this month.

Not much is left of this month. No sane person waits for the book
as the campaign could end by then.

Please post the 20 questions, as I would like to know what people wonder,
and if the other books would answer the same questions for their respective
countries.

Since the PhysAds in the game always want to be from Asia I would like more
material on:
>55) Target: Middle East
>56) Target: India
>57) Target: China
>58) Target: Japan

though I would hope it could be condensed to 2 books. It better have
multiple choices on how to run that wacky back from the dead guy from YOTC.
I'm sure a lot of people would like one for southeast Asia, though the
Middle East would probably work better with an adventure (like the NAN
books).

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Message no. 2
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Ice Heart)
Subject: Tir Tangire (and other Sourcebooks)
Date: Fri Apr 19 14:10:01 2002
>From: "Dan Turek"

>Please post the 20 questions, as I would like to know what people >wonder,
>and if the other books would answer the same questions for >their
>respective countries.

Rather than having everyone post a list of similar or identical questions to
the list, why don't you send your questions offlist and I'll assemble a Tir
Tairgire mini-FAQ after I've answered them. The FAQ can be single post
then, without eating up everyone's mailbox. :)

>Since the PhysAds in the game always want to be from Asia I would like
> >more material on:
> >55) Target: Middle East
> >56) Target: India
> >57) Target: China
> >58) Target: Japan

>I'm sure a lot of people would like one for southeast Asia, though the
>Middle East would probably work better with an adventure (like the NAN
>books).

I am having some trouble with the suggestion that any one part of the world
deserves prioroity treatment in a sourcebook because of "more adventure
ideas". Southeast Asia can easily have as many adventure hooks as the
Middle East. And then there is Northeast Asia, and... Stories can be found
everywhere. So, I suggest an alternative to asking the busy writers at a
small gaming company to make a book few people will spend money on (judging
by the sales of SR area sourcebook over the history of the game). I have
read some excellent online area sourcebooks. Start with an area you know or
can research (with the internet at your fingertips...). Using other SR
books as a guidline, extrapolate that area 60 years into the future. You
never know...you could come up with something so good that other people come
to you for the material. Honestly, as a gamer, you have the permission and
the authority to make your version of the SR world anything you want. House
rules are only one manifestation of that freedom. Don't get me wrong, if a
new SR sourcebook detailing Thailand hit the stand tomorrow, I'd be buying
it before the ink dried. :) But why wait until 200? for a book about a
place as it will be in 20?? Make it up. Enlist help from the list.
ListAdmin/Root/God (pick your deity of choice) knows some of us have one or
two opinions about the gameworld and the game mechanics. ;)

Korishinzo
--waiting for sourcebooks = watching paint dry...it'll happen, but not
before you go stir-crazy :)

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Message no. 3
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: Tir Tangire (and other Sourcebooks)
Date: Sat Apr 20 05:45:28 2002
According to Ice Heart, on Fri, 19 Apr 2002 the word on the street was...

> Using other SR books as a guidline, extrapolate that
> area 60 years into the future.

And don't destroy the place without a damn good reason. Tidal waves, freak
earthquakes, floods, nuclear meltdowns, volcano eruptions, and similar
events are _not_ a damn good reason. There are already so many of them in
SR's history that the whole world should have been washed away/tumbled into
ruins/underwater/irradiated/buried under lava by 2012...

This can't be repeated often enough :(

> --waiting for sourcebooks = watching paint dry...it'll happen, but not
> before you go stir-crazy :)

If you don't stir your paint, you'll probably go crazy waiting for it to
dry anyway ;)

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Message no. 4
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Dan Turek)
Subject: Tir Tangire (and other Sourcebooks)
Date: Sat Apr 20 16:50:00 2002
>Rather than having everyone post a list of similar or identical questions,
>why don't you send your questions offlist and I'll assemble a Tir Tairgire
>mini-FAQ after I've answered them.

Whatever works.
Don't you have a job? :)

> >I'm sure a lot of people would like one for southeast Asia, though the
> >Middle East would probably work better with an adventure (like the NAN
> >books).
>
>I am having some trouble with the suggestion that any one part of the world
>deserves prioroity treatment in a sourcebook because of "more adventure
>ideas". Southeast Asia can easily have as many adventure hooks as the
>Middle East.

Yes. All I'm saying is I would buy an Asian sourcebook, but I would buy a
MiddleEast book only if it dealt with the wacky dead guy (which is one of
those things that builds up and appears in a book or module anyway). The
priority of any company is to make money, and we will only buy sourcebooks
if we feel we need them, or have money to burn. I think a LOT of people have
the Asian PhysAd and Going Home is always an adventure (if the campaign
lasts). I don't know anyone that has played an Israeli or has any desire to
send their character to the MidEast. If anyone does, yell out.

So can you suggest a good netbook or other source for Asia? Specifically
southeast China, Hong Kong, Taiwan, and India.
Or we could just debate them and keep a geography thread going,
I know I've read enough about ballistics :)

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Message no. 5
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Alex Case)
Subject: Tir Tangire (and other Sourcebooks)
Date: Sat Apr 20 20:15:01 2002
On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, Dan Turek wrote:
>Wait until the Shadows of North America Sourcebook
>comes out later this month.
Not much is left of this month. No sane person waits for the book
as the campaign could end by then.
Please post the 20 questions, as I would like to know what people wonder,
and if the other books would answer the same questions for their respective
countries.
Since the PhysAds in the game always want to be from Asia I would like more
material on:
>55) Target: Middle East
>56) Target: India
>57) Target: China
>58) Target: Japan
though I would hope it could be condensed to 2 books. It better have
multiple choices on how to run that wacky back from the dead guy from YOTC.
I'm sure a lot of people would like one for southeast Asia, though the
Middle East would probably work better with an adventure (like the NAN
books).

Actually, the Middle East stuff would work better for a Shadows of the
Middle East book. There's the already volatile political atmosphere that's
been on the brink of official war (as opposed to terrorist attack, followed
by military retaliation, followed by another terrorist attack). Plus,
there's all sorts of fun stuff that could show up in the Middle East after
the Awakening. Dijinni anyone?

"It is written that it is better to burn a single city than to curse the
darkness"
-From "The Furies" By Roger Zelazny
Message no. 6
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Daniel Powell)
Subject: Tir Tangire (and other Sourcebooks)
Date: Sat Apr 20 20:25:08 2002
>Since the PhysAds in the game always want to be from Asia I would like more
>material on:
> >55) Target: Middle East
> >56) Target: India
> >57) Target: China
> >58) Target: Japan

I've personally been waiting for:

Target: Stuffer Shack and Target: Cuba

In all honesty, they really just need a framework overview of each continent
and then let the players customize from there. At least let us know all the
political boundaries and existing country names...

What might be really cool is if they did some sort of open licence deal to
let people publish their own parts of the world... but maybe I've been
playing too much D&D.

Daniel

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Message no. 7
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gak The Great)
Subject: Tir Tangire (and other Sourcebooks)
Date: Sun Apr 21 16:50:01 2002
Sometime, somwhere down the timeline, Dan Turek whispered:
<snip>
> Yes. All I'm saying is I would buy an Asian sourcebook, but I would buy a
> MiddleEast book only if it dealt with the wacky dead guy (which is one of
> those things that builds up and appears in a book or module anyway). The
> priority of any company is to make money, and we will only buy sourcebooks
> if we feel we need them, or have money to burn. I think a LOT of people
have
> the Asian PhysAd and Going Home is always an adventure (if the campaign
> lasts). I don't know anyone that has played an Israeli or has any desire
to
> send their character to the MidEast. If anyone does, yell out.
>
YELL!! (I hope I'll start one on thursday, when we're finallly roleplaying
again, and I'm not gaming (at least half of the time)
A question for all of you German runners here (or Dutch, or anything alse
clase enough) Do you think Antisemitism is still a problem in Germany (Get
those Jews, it's their fault that we've got all those big, bad metahumans
who are only out to kill us and take our jobs away, never mind that the
low-paying jobs they get are something we'd never do in our lifetime") ? Or
has it been replaced alltogether by "Antimetahumanism"?

I'd also be interested in something more specifgix on eastern asia,
especially japan and china (in one book, if possible), tho it'd be
improbable that I'd be buying it anytime soon, no money :(

-- GAK THE GREAT

I don't suffer from insanity,
I enjoy every moment of it!
Message no. 8
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: Tir Tangire (and other Sourcebooks)
Date: Mon Apr 22 06:05:01 2002
According to Gak The Great, on Sun, 21 Apr 2002 the word on the street was...

> A question for all of you German runners here (or Dutch, or anything alse
> clase enough) Do you think Antisemitism is still a problem in Germany
> (Get those Jews, it's their fault that we've got all those big, bad
> metahumans who are only out to kill us and take our jobs away, never mind
> that the low-paying jobs they get are something we'd never do in our
> lifetime") ? Or has it been replaced alltogether by
"Antimetahumanism"?

BTB, "antimetahumanism" is the norm nearly everywhere in the world, though
this doesn't stop people from discriminating based on racial or ethnic
backgrounds, either. Not sure if anyone would blame Jews (or any other
ethnic group) for causing metahumans to appear, though -- I have a hard time
believing that most people would buy that sort of thing. Now I know that
most hatred of minorities etc. isn't a rational thing, but it usually has
some or another reason that is at least believable to the people with the
prejudice; if anyone would get blamed, I suppose it would be "the
scientists" (for genetic engineering), "the government" (for their secret
programs) and/or all those newfangled magicians running around doing magical
stuff (who are obviously different, and therefore dangerous).

> I'd also be interested in something more specifgix on eastern asia,
> especially japan and china (in one book, if possible), tho it'd be
> improbable that I'd be buying it anytime soon, no money :(

Japan, up until YotC certainly, was the prime example of a state-run
campaign of anti-metahuman sentiments.

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Message no. 9
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Arclight)
Subject: Tir Tangire (and other Sourcebooks)
Date: Mon Apr 22 08:00:01 2002
At 22:43 21.04.2002 +0200, Gak The Great wrote:

<snip>

>A question for all of you German runners here (or Dutch, or anything alse
>clase enough) Do you think Antisemitism is still a problem in Germany (Get
>those Jews, it's their fault that we've got all those big, bad metahumans
>who are only out to kill us and take our jobs away, never mind that the
>low-paying jobs they get are something we'd never do in our lifetime") ?

Antisemitism is not a specific german problem, my friend ;)

FWIW, there's a small section about "the Nazis" in DidSII, hinting at some
old but powerful farts plotting for a 4th Reich. Had to be there, I guess.

>Or has it been replaced alltogether by "Antimetahumanism"?

I have no idea.


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Message no. 10
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Strago)
Subject: Tir Tangire (and other Sourcebooks)
Date: Mon Apr 22 12:10:01 2002
Arclight wrote:

<SNIP>
> Antisemitism is not a specific german problem, my friend ;)


It seems to me that most anti-Semitism is in the REST of Europe, and not
in Germany. I think most Germans still have a national hatred of the
Holocaust (not counting the .025% of the population who applaud it) and
I know for a fact that the news shows with the Neo-Nazis marching miss
something: the hundreds of punks following them and beating the sh!t out
of them.


<SNIP>

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